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drfrightner
10-27-2009, 12:10 PM
Okay I know it can only go from worse to worst... this season so far has not been good. We are still going to do okay but our business like many others is down! Then it keeps raining its raining again today... I think we've had 10 or 12 inches this October. That is nuts...

Now I get robbed again and this time its pretty scary. Never been broken into ever, never had a problem until now. They say when un-employment goes up crime goes up and I guess that might be the reasons for all this.

Someone planned this robbery, they hid in my haunted house after it closed, had a car on the highway, when everyone left they grabbed what they wanted some TV's, computers and other things all the while the haunted house alarms went off. The police never came and finally we went down there and they were still in the building and they ran off.

Based on this situation we are changing everything we do. The reason I'm telling you this is because the economy is in the dumps and people will do almost anything so be carefull!

Before you close your haunt check ALL YOUR ACTORS and make sure they are all OUT! Sweep through your haunted house and make sure there is no one inside the building before locking the doors.

This could have been people with guns, this could have been worse who knows. We think it could have been our very own actors but who knows.

We are taking all sorts of extra measures to prevent this from ever happening again and expect a full article on this in the next magazine because now I'm doing all the reseach on security systems and will ramp up my existing ADT system to include new features and preventive measures to stop this from happening again.

Larry

PS: Both crimes are unrelated this time it was at the Darkness and we have footprints, and fingerprints and our cops are running them through the system. They tried to take a giant tv from our office until we showed up and they ran leaving fingerprints all over it.

graystone
10-27-2009, 01:18 PM
A haunted trail just down the road from me opened up for a local fund raiser. Last Saturday night a guy walked up to buy a ticket when she opened the money box he shoved a 70 year old woman to the ground and hauled ass! This would not happen at the Manor they would have got their ass shot! Shane and its keep an eye out everyone! Shane this time!

Spoils
10-27-2009, 01:52 PM
Larry,
My Alarm went off yesterday morning! I got there before the police did. First time for this to happen. (Different story with a motion detector and mice.) Went around the building and one door was unlocked and another door open. Here is the freaky part is that there was not a forced entry. Set outside for about 15 min. and still no police. So I grab my gun and went on the search! Surprisingly nothing was taken and no one there. It did however look like someone was in the last room of the haunt which is where the two doors that were unlocked and open. They tried to take the guy off the table but I got that sucker straped down to the table! HA! I think the alarm scared them off. I am sorry you were not as lucky. And YES.....the rain is killing us. All of us in DFW area have been buying rock for our parking lot like crazy.

shawnc
10-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Larry,
My Alarm went off yesterday morning! I got there before the police did. First time for this to happen. (Different story with a motion detector and mice.) Went around the building and one door was unlocked and another door open. Here is the freaky part is that there was not a forced entry. Set outside for about 15 min. and still no police. So I grab my gun and went on the search! Surprisingly nothing was taken and no one there. It did however look like someone was in the last room of the haunt which is where the two doors that were unlocked and open. They tried to take the guy off the table but I got that sucker straped down to the table! HA! I think the alarm scared them off. I am sorry you were not as lucky. And YES.....the rain is killing us. All of us in DFW area have been buying rock for our parking lot like crazy.

Scary stuff.

Bart (and everyone else): Be very careful doing what you did. Confronting someone inside could be the least of your problems. You don't want to be walking out with a gun as the police drive up. Don't asssume they know you're the good guy.

damon carson
10-27-2009, 02:05 PM
Larry this is really bad! Im glad no one got hurt because it could have been worse. And that is scarier than any haunted house. There are probably more precations you should take even when you are open. More so after you close. Times are hard and some people will take desperate measures. Be careful! And I hope you find them.
Damon

Pemjack
10-27-2009, 03:10 PM
Be thankful no one was hurt, or that your place wasn't trashed. I am looking at locations now for my 1st pro haunt in 2010, and security is one of my main concerns. Do I buy a building that's more affordable in a less desirable location, or do I pay big bucks to lease a place in a "good" area? Is there such a thing as a good area anymore? I'll look forward to future updates on the security issue Larry. Thanks, Pete.

maliciousstudios
10-27-2009, 03:23 PM
Best Security ?? ADT - Nahhh..... 5 Pitbulls

Feed em but dont let anyone else feed em'....

Become their Master but dont let anyone else play with them or become their Master.....

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/malicious_intents/274866_f520.jpg

( I bet they wont get out next time )

IF THEY EVEN TRY....

END OF STORY

Terrorknight
10-27-2009, 04:49 PM
Hey Larry that sucks

With us being in Philadelphia PA we have gone over the top with security. We have armed guards at the front and back doors, the guards at the front do a full body search just like when you go to a concert. We take anything that can be used as a weapon even down to pens and pencils and of course lighters . At the end of the night they follow the last group through and check to see if anyone is hiding out. To date we have had 0 problems and with this being our 9th year I think it must be working.

Robert

drfrightner
10-27-2009, 05:00 PM
This is actually NOT a bad idea... never thought of that to get a guard dog to live in the haunted house. WOW that is a great idea!

I don't know if that would work or not but still a great idea.

Look I'm putting ALL OF YOU ON NOTICE... someone can be hiding in your haunt waiting for everyone to leave and bam pop out with a gun and rob you! Make sure you be careful but this is the year if any other where crime is higher than ever.

Be careful!

Yes this could have been MUCH MUCH MUCH WORSE... still we hope to catch them and now our eyes have been awoke to the reality we live in. We will check the haunts high and low before each night... we also have someone staying at the building each night now to make sure no one comes inside.

But be alert.

Larry

robos99
10-27-2009, 07:45 PM
At the concert venue I used to work at our nightly closing procedure was to walk the room and make sure all the doors are securely locked (and in an 80 year old building sometimes doors looked closed that weren't) and that no one is left in the building. After hearing about what happened to you Larry, I see that being as paranoid as I was maybe wasn't such a bad idea.

Fear Unfathomed
10-28-2009, 12:31 AM
See Larry, Patti bought those dogs for a reason. ;-)
I hope this gets solved soon. I still have trouble believing this happened.

Slain
10-28-2009, 06:41 AM
Hate to hear about that shit Larry...
We had some kids come buy 20 minutes after we left (330am) a couple of Saturdays ago. They attempted to get in but could'nt so they threw rocks into our back parking lot and busted out some windows in a vehicle left over night...
We have them on cameras trying to get in the front door running around the back gate and trying to open a lock on the parking gate but really cant make them out too well... The police were around our building and just missed them... I wished they would get in so we can arrest these SOB's....

Matt Marich
10-28-2009, 07:22 AM
Be carefull of guard dogs, they are effective but your liability goes up if they seriously injure or kill someone. That's right kiddies, the #*%@ law protects the thief before you. Follow the rules for warning signs if you go this root.

Matt

Raycliff Manor
10-28-2009, 08:21 AM
Man Larry, I'm sorry to hear this. I hope they weren't able to get away with any of your stuff. It has to be difficult to search every inch of the Darkness to make sure there's no one inside at the end of the evening when the place is so huge! Although your team probably know their way around really well. If it's possible that this was an inside job, that's pretty unnerving! I hope this year's issues don't get you down too much my friend. If there is anything the Raycliff Fright Team can do to help you out, just let us know. You have a group of loyal fans out here! You've also got an industry friend and brother! ;)

I hope your remaining nights run safely, smoothly and you encounter record breaking numbers Larry!

Kel

kpolley
10-28-2009, 10:20 AM
This whole mess was a scary situation...I was the one who showed up while they were still in the building. I was ready to beat someone to death with my broken axe handle I was carrying (gotta defend yourself somehow) but they slipped out a different door while I was trying to head them off at the office.

It was most definitely an inside job. The good news is we have some pretty solid leads now and I think we will have a definite on who's responsible by this weekend. We have been working really hard grilling all of our actors and staff for information and we have found out that 3 actors were together that night, one of them drives a car that matches the one I saw, and none of them showed up the next night. In addition, one of them just lost his job and two of them didn't show up to get their paychecks and their families haven't seen them since Sunday. Seems WAY too coincidental.

Larry is absolutely right about this problem. It just never crossed my mind how easy it would be to hide in the building and get locked in which is exactly what they did. We're being incredibly careful now to never let that happen again. Everyone, if you don't already, should put a plan in place to make sure you don't make the same mistakes we did.

Here's hoping the rest of you don't have to go through this. It sucks. My heart was in my throat the whole time while I was waiting for the cops to get there. Scary stuff...

SomeThingInTheIce
10-28-2009, 11:42 AM
Be carefull of guard dogs, they are effective but your liability goes up if they seriously injure or kill someone. That's right kiddies, the #*%@ law protects the thief before you. Follow the rules for warning signs if you go this root.

Matt
This is why you fallow up the guard dog with a guard pig, they'll eat anything.lol.

HouseOfTorment
10-28-2009, 08:17 PM
If it helps we staff police until the money is night dropped in the bank. Another benefit to our control room is having it run almost constantly and recording everything on our dvr system. Our camera systems are bought from Costco, cheapest supplier, for about a thousand for a four camera dvr night vision system. If nothing else put some up in entrences and exits. A few years back we actually reviewed our cameras and found we had a transient breaking into our building every night to sleep.

Midnight13
10-29-2009, 06:39 AM
We have a Stanley (Sonitrol) system in our haunt. There are microphones everywhere. If someone is in the haunt (or tries to break in) after the alarm is set and makes a noise, the monitoring station will silently listen in, determine what it is, and set off the alarm if needed (again silent).

Since I have been in the building, the alarm has only gone off once because someone was walking on top of the building and Sonitrol could hear them.

We also lock all of our doors from the inside during the off season. I understand that not everyone can do this, unfortunately.

This is a great alarm system to have for a haunt, there are so many places to hide in ours, it could take hours for us to sweep every night.

Here's the link: http://www.sonitrol.com/resourcesinaction.html

You can listen to actual past break-ins on their website.

Dwayne
13th Gate

Matt Marich
10-29-2009, 07:21 AM
Perhaps someone more tech savy can answer this, but we have been considering an internet security system. It enables you to view your security cams from a remote local. We have been broken into twice at our shop, the first time they succeeded, the second our shoring up the building delayed them and they left. The Cops are slow too respond to alarms because most are false or they have serious issues. We had them arrive an hour later the second time because of a shooting. I totaly understand.

If you have a long term lease, I think this investment is a important as that snazzy new pneumatic,. Larry's comments from Randy are very important in this day, there are insurance trip n fall frauds evrywhere as well. Overzealous actors or smart ass customers, the courts won't argue against you with a good survailance system and recorder.

maliciousstudios
10-29-2009, 08:31 AM
A friend of mine has a Rooster at his Haunt.... that damn thing wont just scare the shat out of you but it is A GREAT SECURITY DEVICE !!...lmfao

Damn thing will follow you waiting for you to turn your back then when you least expect it.....

BAM !

Hes on you like stink on shit !!

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damon carson
10-29-2009, 09:06 AM
An attack rooster and a attack pig! LOL! Now I've heard it all. I know Jim Warfield has an attack cat. When my pit bull was alive I thought about putting him inside the haunted house after someone got on roof of our haunt and stole a halloween inflatable we had for decoration and to draw attention. Luckily they never had the balls to break into our building and take anything else. But it was a worry for a while. We put extra chains and locks on everydoor possible.
Damon

hippieman556
10-31-2009, 11:57 AM
thats not right that someone would have to steal from another person like that. just be safe out there

Jim Warfield
10-31-2009, 04:32 PM
That is unbelievable!
Is that a common way the Police are there?
Maybe the thiefs knew this and that was why they were taking their sweet time stealing more.
People can laugh at living in a small town, BUT Police protection is dependable and mere seconds away. Add to this the small-town nosiness and everybody sees, knows alot of what goes on here.
A high percentage of local residents have guns and ammo reloading equiptment, I used to be working in their basements, I have seen alot.
ADT? There is a whole website of complaints and warnings concerning the way they do and don't do their business, we looked into them a few years ago and werenot at all impressed.

How does an audio alarm system work with no false alarms if sounds outside the building are there such as loud motorcycles, trucks and other random sounds?
Isn't there an internal motion detector system that would catch any movement once the building was locked up? Like someone sneaking around who stayed behind to rob the place?

elswarro
11-01-2009, 06:59 AM
Best Security ?? ADT - Nahhh..... 5 Pitbulls

Feed em but dont let anyone else feed em'....

Become their Master but dont let anyone else play with them or become their Master.....


( I bet they wont get out next time )

IF THEY EVEN TRY....

END OF STORY

oh hell yeah! when i was overseas in the box......i saw first hand what a hungry, violent dog can do to a human. changed my whole thought process on having guard dogs. They are 100% more reliable than an alarm system that gives your intruder times to escape. The only problem, you will have a pretty good mess afterwards.

thehangman
11-01-2009, 09:31 AM
Larry, this is terrible. Count your self luck as others have said...it could have been worse.
Mike

thelabhaunt.com

UnDeRTaKer313
11-01-2009, 02:55 PM
larry, i got super freaked out about this, but earlier when our security staff told us about it! i mean a haunted house has hundreds and hundreds of places for actors to hide, anybody could hide in there and take anything that they want!
its really really scary. we have our security do rounds every single night before we open, and before we close, and we also have then do searches throughout the night.

Scary Harry
11-01-2009, 04:54 PM
larry take a close look at the people that work for you, I hear them "this guy is raking it in". You said it, times are hard people do cazy things. Your employees know your business better than the customers do, and you never really know who you have hired or fired.

UnDeRTaKer313
11-01-2009, 04:58 PM
i think the main thing about actors, is that they are all excited at end of the night and want to know how many people came through. well pretty much by knowing that number they know your income for the night, and even payroll.
we have recently made all our attendance numbers confidential until the end of the season...

PAT MATTHEWS/HOUSE OF WAX
11-02-2009, 01:02 AM
Ill go a step further 2 yrs ago we actually had an actor from another haunt come out and help us. As we were closing on a big night I caught him on the phone with the owner of the other haunt he was telling the owner our nightly numbers. Way uncool!!! Its hard to keep it a secret I count our attendence in my head and am only off by a few Ive seen actors do it as well with great accuracy. I have had a few even tell me how much money they estimate I made . ooooh I hate that