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Grimley
12-27-2009, 09:14 AM
I have received three emails from vendors I buy from that they will not be attending any of the shows. I need to see this stuff in person guys if you want me to buy it in quantity.

Nightgore
12-27-2009, 09:43 AM
My thoughts exactly... -Tyler

N2SPOOKINU
12-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I like to see the product before I buy it! Quality makes a diffrence and looking at pics is not a way to judge. The only company I buy from without actually looking at their product is Unit70. They have established a reputation so it works for them. I would still like them to come to the show to look at their new products.

VENDORS... If you want sales be at the shows. (Transworld, etc.)

graystone
12-27-2009, 10:00 AM
Who is it that said they will not attend? Shane and its just wondering? Shane this time.

gadget-evilusions
12-27-2009, 10:01 AM
As a vendor, sometimes the check book runs dry, and there is just no way to be able to afford to do a show. The saying goes that you have to spend money to make money, but at some point that becomes impossible. Some businesses, even non-haunt related ones have run out of working capital, and with most banks being stingy with the loans, there is no other option than to cut overhead, cut advertising budgets, cut everything and hope something good comes along before absolute 0 is hit and the business is closed.

We are in that boat this year. Business was down for some of us, to the point where drastic changes must be made. We will be lucky if we can get booths at one show this year.

Some haunts didn't do as well this year, as we have read on these forums, so some vendors didn't do as well this year.

Nightgore
12-27-2009, 12:13 PM
Unit 70... soon, not vending will catch up with them. We did not buy anything from them for this reason. The Unit70 props we do have have are all second hand/used... The way we see it, whether people agree or disagree, if you don't vend or attend a show... you don't support this industry. So we will not support vendors who choose not to vend... period.

I too like to see product in person before I buy. I don't want to be invited to workshops... I don't want a DVD with pics and vids... I don't want to pay $50 to go to The Darkness to see the new products... I want to see it on the show floor... in person! -Tyler

lurker
12-27-2009, 12:55 PM
If a vendor doesn't pay out for a show then they don't support the industry? DING! DING! DING! I think we have a winner folks for the most asinine and heavy handed comment of the week...maybe the month.
What has this become? The haunted attraction mafia rather than the haunted attraction industry? You either pay your protection fees or you get whacked? Is Tony Soprano in line to be the next leader of the HHA? Wow! Let the whacking begin!
How a vendor chooses to do business is THEIR BUSINESS. If they feel they can forgo a trade show it has nothing to do whether they support the industry or not. They may have a product and/or a client base that doesn't require a trade show. Trade shows are tools, not the fricking law.
If you chose not to buy from a vendor unless you see their stuff on a trade show floor, that is YOUR BUSINESS, but to lump that vendor into a 'anti-haunt industry' category is a bit short sighted.
On the other hand if we really are going to adopt true mafia ways then I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for hit man for hire. I have watched a whole season of Dexter over the holidays, and I'm itching to kill something.

IF YOUR 555
12-27-2009, 01:15 PM
If a vendor doesn't pay out for a show then they don't support the industry? DING! DING! DING! I think we have a winner folks for the most asinine and heavy handed comment of the week...maybe the month.
What has this become? The haunted attraction mafia rather than the haunted attraction industry? You either pay your protection fees or you get whacked? Is Tony Soprano in line to be the next leader of the HHA? Wow! Let the whacking begin!
How a vendor chooses to do business is THEIR BUSINESS. If they feel they can forgo a trade show it has nothing to do whether they support the industry or not. They may have a product and/or a client base that doesn't require a trade show. Trade shows are tools, not the fricking law.
If you chose not to buy from a vendor unless you see their stuff on a trade show floor, that is YOUR BUSINESS, but to lump that vendor into a 'anti-haunt industry' category is a bit short sighted.
On the other hand if we really are going to adopt true mafia ways then I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for hit man for hire. I have watched a whole season of Dexter over the holidays, and I'm itching to kill something.

Thank you Louis, you beat me to it.

Nightgore
12-27-2009, 01:36 PM
It's how we choose to do OUR business. I don't support a SINGLE haunt... I support this industry as a whole... having a FULL trade show is one of the ways our industry will continue to grow!

Vendors stop vending... haunts stop buying... both will fail.

Yeah, haunts had a tough year this year... but if your a good BUSINESS person you will NOT slow your haunt down... rather, EXPAND... ADD... and RE-DO!!!! How about this year (2010) haunts go "all out".

Like I said, agree with us or not... I could care less. It's how we think and how we do things. We, again, will not be placing orders with Unit 70. There are newer vendors out their with cool products and awesome custom service that will fill the void. -Tyler

lurker
12-27-2009, 02:24 PM
Our industry will grow due to innovation, new ideas and people like us who love to entertain people by scaring them. How those innovations and ideas get to us in the form of products and services is not written in stone. Trade shows aren't the key to growth of the industry. They are a business tool. One of many. I think they are a useful tool, no doubt, but blackballing a vendor cause they don't attend a show is unwise.
The things that will make this industry grow is positive PR and cooperation amongst all the parties involved in this business. Saying to a vendor that they have to do a trade show in order to support the industry is a skewed point of view, in my opinion. The best way for a vendor to support this industry is for them to put their business FIRST so that they don't go out of business. They have to be free to make those business calls for themselves.
If you don't support a vendor that you know makes good products just because they didn't attend a show who are you hurting? Not yourself, cause you said you can find the stuff you need with vendors that do show. I think that if it hurts anything it would be the industry, cause it goes toward curtailing diversity and variety among vendors. That is the way I see it.
As for Unit 70, they have been in business for a long enough time to know what is good for them and what isn't. I don't think your position will hurt them one way or the other.

graystone
12-27-2009, 03:54 PM
Well said. Here is how I see it if a vendor chooses not to attend then thats their business. I mean I will miss seeing them but this will in no way affect my decision not to do business with them especially with someone who has a good reputation. Now some new Johnny be good company thats a different story.

Tyler I can for certain tell you your way of thinking is off track big time. My company does holiday decor in over 200 malls in the U.S. and I have not attended a show in over 10 years. Once you have a name and reputation people will buy and buy big. My company has continued to grow and most has been by word of mouth reputation. By me not attending I have in no way hurt myself or the show. Its really the decision of how the vendor chooses to market his product. To me word of mouth is still the best thing there is. Second there is the internet where you can sell 24/7 365 days a year. The shows are a great way to buy but its more about networking and learning and meeting new folks and new vendors thats just starting out. Thats where it starts and ends. Hell I am not knocking the show I do support it but its just 31/2 freeking days and I am sure that with the well established companies this will not hurt them if they don't attend. Lastly the show is about vendors and products it has nothing to do with supporting the industry as a whole we are owners not vendors!

Honestly I don't think at this point Bo or Brady will sell to Tyler they are well aware of his comments towards them so it looks like all he will get for his haunt will be second hand. Its a sad thing too Bo and Brady are the two best guys in the Industry. Tyler will realize his loss one day. Tyler I would ask you if there were 100 shows a year would you attend them all? If you did not attend each and everyone of them then I take it by your own words you would not be supporting the industry. This is not an attack on you Tyler when I was your age I thought I knew everything too. Trust me buddy the older you get the more you will learn to watch and listen as you only get wiser with age. Shane and its I am still a learning 40 year old! Shane this time.

N2SPOOKINU
12-27-2009, 07:34 PM
I agree that we shouldnt blackball a vendor that doesnt come to the shows. Thats not good business for them or us.
My point was that the shows offer exposure to new vendors and new haunt owners alike.
If we dont know your out there we cant buy from you.
Someone walking down an isle of a show may see something at a booth and get an idea for a room and buy the product. OR a vendor walking down an isle may see a product another vendor is making and it may give them an idea sending them in a new direction for his own product line for the coming years.
The shows are for sharing ideas and meeting other haunters and buying products.
Like I said before, I like to personally see and feel the products so I have an idea of what I am buying.
Would I buy from a vendor that doesnt come to the shows? Yes. As long as I know what he sells is what I expect.
I understand vendors are hurting and some haunts didnt do well this year but like the saying goes..... Dont cut your advertising and expect for people to know you are in business. These shows are an important tool for your advertising.
I would say pick your shows wisely and go to the ones that will make the most business sense for you.
In closing I hope all vendors make it to the Transworld show. It seems to be centrally located, a haunters favorite and the show I hope to see grow every year.

Greg
Fearfest

graystone
12-27-2009, 08:27 PM
Bottom line we should support all of our vendors whether or not they attend! They are in business for us so we should support them! Shane and its I got your back guys! Shane this time!

stafford
12-27-2009, 08:41 PM
Ok, so the question still hasn't been answered, what vendors sent out emails saying they weren't exhibiting?

Chris

xxxdirk
12-27-2009, 09:32 PM
I have bought from unit 70 in the past and in fact I think I bought my first big prop from them back In 2004!! This past year I went to saint louis planning on spending x amount and then ordering about $2500 from unit cause I have the most respect for them. But guess what happened? I found a few brand new vendors that had stuff I liked so I bought from them instead... Of course it is the choice of vendors if they attend but also be aware that you might be losing a customer in the short term for sure perhaps forever......

drfrightner
12-29-2009, 02:18 AM
Yes I would like to know as well what vendor says they are not going but wants to sell to you anyway?????


Secondly as for Unit 70 I think they are going this year so its a mute point... Unit 70 has changed many gears over the years branching out into Christmas and doing a lot and I mean a lot of custom work for big haunts. They are unlike most other vendors thats for sure... now here is the biggest difference if you are a haunt vendor and you are overloaded with work like Unit 70 then don't go to a tradeshow.

Going to tradeshows is an expense a BIG expense and in some industries still 110% neccessary and if you don't go you lose SALES! I personally wouldn't order from a vendor that didn't go to the show unless I knew them or worked with them in the past or their company has some sort of credibilty.

Last year I ordered a ton of stuff from the new company put together by Robert Kurtzman someone who's been in the special effect business for years... but even his company is going to the haunt show this year!

Personally I think MANY haunt vendors do not understand how to market their business, they might have the greatest product but you have to promote your business by spending money... going to tradeshows, reaching new customers through industry sites or magazines (hint hint) (lol). Some vendors are duped into buying something that doesn't help them and then turns their nose up to things that do... makes no sense!

If you have a product to sell you need to reach NEW customers who finds you or who can bring you the most new customers??? Does it matter if you like them, love them, or whatever? NO... its all business!

Going to the tradeshow is a must if you are serious! Reaching new customers through outlets that attract new haunts is also a must!

Anything that can't bring you NEW eyeballs, SERIOUS eyeballs is worthless... the Transworld Halloween and Attraction show is SERIOUS eyeballs!

Larry

Darkangel
12-29-2009, 06:46 AM
If a vendor doesn't choose to go it's their decision. If a vendor doesn't need to go because they already have enough business then why go? If big haunts are placing huge orders why waste the money to travel and exhibit at the show when its taking away from filling those orders placed by loyal customers in place of a bunch of people buying one or two pieces???

DA

drfrightner
12-29-2009, 03:14 PM
I agree if you have enough business and you can't handle anymore and you have business locked up for the rest of the year you shouldn't go unless you go as a buyer or whatever. Sure that is a perfect world... how many people have that problem though? LOL

Larry

mindtumor
12-30-2009, 07:33 AM
So if some people aren't going to buy from vendors because they don't attend the tradeshow, would it be fair for vendors not to sell to costumers that don't attend the tradeshows? Because I do recall some people claiming they would stop attending the Transworld show if it moved back to Chicago and they are the same people saying they won't buy from vendors that don't attend. Just curious as to what the difference is.

Ken Spriggs
12-30-2009, 10:36 AM
Yikes the economy goes bad
We lose a ton of money
May lose other things

And I don't support the INDUSTRY???????

You want US to spend $4000 for a show, when it brings us $4000-$5000 in orders????MAYBE???

Forgive my high school education for telling me.......YOU T'AIN'T BE MAKIN MONEY

Greg? You wouldn't order things from me?
If you wanted to see something or smell it.....would I not make sure you could before you spent big money?


Come on guys let's think about what you are saying.

In general you are right......but stop for a minute and think before you say stuff?
I do now and look....I hardly post here anymore...lol

We are never going to get rich selling stench.....think about how much you order if you do.
Some people use this stuff the way it is made to be used....some skate by with a only a little.
You are both customers.....we LOVE you both
But.....a $20 order compaired with a $1000 order can make or break a company
We need to branch out to year round business and a Haunt show is not going to do that.

Costumes? We made some killer suits and I am sure we can make even better stuff.
But where is the real market? Who has the money now to buy a $3000 costume?
Everyone is going to do the same thing they always do....sinch up the belt and find away to make it cheap or spend less getting it.

When you put 100 percent effort into what you do......and lose money, you wonder why you do it.

I am not saying we aren't making costumes or not doing anything....we have just started to do things a little different. Imagine what $4000 can do to advertise to people?

Now on to a happy side of life.....since people say I am negative

Merry Christmas to everyone........Happy New Year

I am sad to say I may be in Indianapolis at Horror hound weekend and Maskfest

drfrightner
12-30-2009, 02:28 PM
I wonder if Transworld is still selling those half booths... someone should check on that? I would agree if you are selling smells you probably need to lower your costs for sure... the bottom line is the reason the show was moved to a different city was to SAVE COSTS ... a booth right now is $1200.00 NOT $1700 and NOT $2500 that the Halloween Expo in Houston is charging.

The price for a booth is so very reasonable! Most vendors drive their stuff in so again you save, most vendors set up their own booths, again you save, most vendors sell most of the stuff they bring right there on the show floor, so you walk out with most of your expense covered.

What makes NO SENSE is going to 4 or 5 regional shows and skipping the main show... that makes no sense! Some vendors do that thinking they are either getting more bang for their buck or saving money and you are getting neither!

Its all about cost vs. return how much do you spend how much do you get back... in the case of smells many haunts might see a need for this however wait until late in the summer to order them because they don't need them RIGHT NOW to redesign the haunt, on the flip side if they are buying some big animation from Scarefactory they need that right now.

So in this case you might generate sales LATER for your appearance at the show NOW...

Haunters have THREE buying patterns...

1) Big Haunts: loaded up with cash buy NOW in the winter and save more. Many haunts like mine are not waiting around to see what vendors develop I don't count on them, we develop our own stuff, so we are buying right now. We call vendors to make custom pieces for us so we buy now. There are many year around haunts buying in the winter so they can get a jump on any renovations. Plus many people buy in the winter because they have the money in hand... this is one reason WHY vendors shouldn't give up on marketing their business just because Halloween is over. BIG MISTAKE!

2) Most Haunts: From big to small many haunts wait to see what is made by vendors before buying anything, before renovating their haunts, blah, blah because they want to see what is out there first. They usually buy AT THE SHOW and many count on vendors to lead the way with new ideas. This is the biggest group. So going to the show is very vital.

3) Summer Haunts: Most fund raising haunts, charity haunts, big and mostly smaller haunts buy in the summer and especially the haunts who bounce around from location to location they buy in the middle to late summer for several reasons... A) They just got their location B) They don't have tons of money on hand want to use credit cards, buy now get credit and pay bill in October. C) Last minute finally decided to pull the trigger.

Three buying groups...

Vendors must be active in marketing their business ALL YEAR AROUND! IF THEY DO THEY WILL BEAT OUT THE OTHER VENDORS FOR BUSINESS... THOSE WHO DON"T LOSE OUT! PERIOD!

Lastly, as to the other comment... first off I want to put myself in the area that I never said I wouldn't buy from a vendor who didn't show at the tradeshow, however I did say that if I don't know the vendor very well I probably wouldn't because we've had to many vendors in the past screwing people and I don't want to fall into that boat. Going to the tradeshow is a sign of commitment to what you do. I have bought from vendors who didn't attend as I stated the new company started by the former FX company (KNB).

As for not going to Chicago I personally am not going back there in the winter ever... I do not want to pay $10.00 just to get on the street, $30 dollars for dinner, or $250 for a room... forget that. Vendors will NEVER NOT sell to a buyer because they don't attend a tradeshow but its very realistic that a buyer might not buy from a vendor if they didn't show... WHY... because the SPENT ALL THEIR MONEY!

Larry

Ken Spriggs
12-31-2009, 01:04 AM
Funny.......the end all show in St louis is claiming 4000 qualified buyers.....

Koolaid will be sent to each of you

drfrightner
12-31-2009, 04:08 AM
I think they reported 6000 attended the show through the doors for all three days, I don't think that is unique people, but I would say there was over 3,000 unique people who walked that show how many are qualified buyers well not 3000 I would agree with you there.

However I will give tons of kudos to Tranworld for really promoting the show this year they have gone way beyond the call... again kudos to them! I expect even more qualified buyers this year than last.

I'm VERY disappointed with them for not sticking to their guns on the admission into the show because we don't need people in the show just to copy everything they see, or just snatch catalogs or whatever with no intentions of buying anything.

Vendors pay good money to be at the show and they want to talk to people who want to buy something... I agree.

Larry

mindtumor
12-31-2009, 06:55 AM
I wonder if Transworld is still selling those half booths... someone should check on that? I would agree if you are selling smells you probably need to lower your costs for sure... the bottom line is the reason the show was moved to a different city was to SAVE COSTS ... a booth right now is $1200.00 NOT $1700 and NOT $2500 that the Halloween Expo in Houston is charging.

The price for a booth is so very reasonable! Most vendors drive their stuff in so again you save, most vendors set up their own booths, again you save, most vendors sell most of the stuff they bring right there on the show floor, so you walk out with most of your expense covered.

What makes NO SENSE is going to 4 or 5 regional shows and skipping the main show... that makes no sense! Some vendors do that thinking they are either getting more bang for their buck or saving money and you are getting neither!

Its all about cost vs. return how much do you spend how much do you get back... in the case of smells many haunts might see a need for this however wait until late in the summer to order them because they don't need them RIGHT NOW to redesign the haunt, on the flip side if they are buying some big animation from Scarefactory they need that right now.

So in this case you might generate sales LATER for your appearance at the show NOW...

Haunters have THREE buying patterns...

1) Big Haunts: loaded up with cash buy NOW in the winter and save more. Many haunts like mine are not waiting around to see what vendors develop I don't count on them, we develop our own stuff, so we are buying right now. We call vendors to make custom pieces for us so we buy now. There are many year around haunts buying in the winter so they can get a jump on any renovations. Plus many people buy in the winter because they have the money in hand... this is one reason WHY vendors shouldn't give up on marketing their business just because Halloween is over. BIG MISTAKE!

2) Most Haunts: From big to small many haunts wait to see what is made by vendors before buying anything, before renovating their haunts, blah, blah because they want to see what is out there first. They usually buy AT THE SHOW and many count on vendors to lead the way with new ideas. This is the biggest group. So going to the show is very vital.

3) Summer Haunts: Most fund raising haunts, charity haunts, big and mostly smaller haunts buy in the summer and especially the haunts who bounce around from location to location they buy in the middle to late summer for several reasons... A) They just got their location B) They don't have tons of money on hand want to use credit cards, buy now get credit and pay bill in October. C) Last minute finally decided to pull the trigger.

Three buying groups...

Vendors must be active in marketing their business ALL YEAR AROUND! IF THEY DO THEY WILL BEAT OUT THE OTHER VENDORS FOR BUSINESS... THOSE WHO DON"T LOSE OUT! PERIOD!

Lastly, as to the other comment... first off I want to put myself in the area that I never said I wouldn't buy from a vendor who didn't show at the tradeshow, however I did say that if I don't know the vendor very well I probably wouldn't because we've had to many vendors in the past screwing people and I don't want to fall into that boat. Going to the tradeshow is a sign of commitment to what you do. I have bought from vendors who didn't attend as I stated the new company started by the former FX company (KNB).

As for not going to Chicago I personally am not going back there in the winter ever... I do not want to pay $10.00 just to get on the street, $30 dollars for dinner, or $250 for a room... forget that. Vendors will NEVER NOT sell to a buyer because they don't attend a tradeshow but its very realistic that a buyer might not buy from a vendor if they didn't show... WHY... because the SPENT ALL THEIR MONEY!

Larry

Wasn't talking about you and the argument was said in a different manner than in which you may have taken it. But for god's sake you went to Rosemont for how many years and you still can't find inexpensive rooms and food, lol?

graystone
12-31-2009, 07:47 AM
As far as Rosemont goes I will say it again! PRICELINE BABY, PRICELINE! I always stayed at the Doubletree right across from the convention center for way less than half! Shane and its but I am sorry to say there is no Priceline Deals in St. Louis at the Ren Grand this year! Shane this time.

xxxdirk
12-31-2009, 08:22 AM
Just be careful with priceline. I typed in downtown at louis $63 four star and got the union station 15 blocks away. :( gonna have to pay like $14 a day in cab fares.

mindtumor
12-31-2009, 08:24 AM
As far as Rosemont goes I will say it again! PRICELINE BABY, PRICELINE! I always stayed at the Doubletree right across from the convention center for way less than half! Shane and its but I am sorry to say there is no Priceline Deals in St. Louis at the Ren Grand this year! Shane this time.

Yeah, I agree. I have ALAWAYS used priceline and never paid more than $80 a night in Rosemont and most of the time it is $60. I ALWAYS get nice hotels that aren't far from the convention center.

mindtumor
12-31-2009, 08:26 AM
Just be careful with priceline. I typed in downtown at louis $63 four star and got the union station 15 blocks away. :( gonna have to pay like $14 a day in cab fares.

I have stayed there once, it isn't too bad of a place.

xxxdirk
12-31-2009, 08:46 AM
Not too worried about the quality of the place, I mean when I am at the conv I only UAE the room to sleep otherwise I am out partying or networking or buying or learning. Just not very convienent being so far away......

N2SPOOKINU
12-31-2009, 01:03 PM
dirk metrolink runs from your hotel right to the convention center so I would use that to commute to the show and back.

Ken... I consider you guys an established company I would buy from. I never said I wouldnt buy from you. However.... do you think we would have purchased all the costumes from you we did had we not seen them at the show? The answer is no! We saw your costumes BOUGHT SEVERAL OF THEM ON THE SPOT and it gave us a new direction to go in. For that we thank you!
Its about seeing things in person that create ideas in haunters minds for future additions.
We purchased things last year from vendors we never heard of before and their products were great but had they not been at the convention they would have missed the opportunity to sell us something.
Like I said before we cant buy from a company if we dont know they exhist.
Thats just my opinion.
Greg
Fearfest

xxxdirk
12-31-2009, 02:03 PM
Greg, thanks for the heads up on Metrolink. Is that a bus I assume? Ken, I can totally appreciate your stance. This year I will VERY selective with my money as this season kind of sucked for us cause of the weather... I also know taht my order was also not very big with you guys. Part of my problem is that I have such a short time to set up, I dont have time to think or do all those small things that really makes a show better. I had brought 5-6 of my crew to St Louis and they were the ones that grabbed my ear and said "bossman, please get these sents this year" If you would have not been there I most likely would have forgotten.... Anyway, just some food for thought...

Ken Spriggs
12-31-2009, 02:10 PM
Let me clarify........Transworld is a show that we have done for years in one way or another.
I am not doubting the fact that it is the show to be at.....but we can't flip the bill this time around.

I wish we could.

Sad thing? We had a handful of costumes to bring that are new but they will have to wait for now.

I am not downing TW though the booth cost is still insane

Larry....if it was here I would be a vendor in a heart beat.
I would open the house as we always have and it wouldn't cost us a fortune to do the show.

Ron...a customer is a customer no matter how bad you smell...lol!!!!!!

N2SPOOKINU
12-31-2009, 10:24 PM
Dirk, Metrolink is St.Louis transit/kinda subway system. It runs under the city and goes several places in the St.Louis area. Its cheaper than a cab and its safe to ride.
Greg
Fearfest

spookhaven
01-01-2010, 10:19 AM
Ken:

I think your product is prime and you should go on "shark tank" where you provide the product and history, they buy into the company and you become a millionaire (if you haven't seen it)....

The problem is your product last for many years. Good think for end users but not as good for repeat yearly business. We are on our fourth year with the same packs. So the 30 or 40 dollars you spend per scent, last 4-5 yrs. But we have to buy it the first year to know.

What about giving your costumes and/or sharing a booth with another vendor or two (if that is allowed)? Maybe that would be a good thread to start for vendors that can't swing the whole thing? Just a thought.

Oh course, this forum is free and most of us know your work so again most would buy (without seeing hands on) and you wouldn't have to pay a dime for advertising.

You are always going to have people looking at products/props and making them cheaper. Everyone of us has done that. You happen to have a fairly unique product with the scents however.

I for one fall into that small haunt with not a bunch of money onhand for winter sales. Larry is absolutely right that you are the finishing touch on the haunt so you are the last minute thought but a sale. That's why MHC is important to us smaller haunts.

Problem is we see it in St Louis, go to Philly for that convention and bought there because it's close to me(no shipping, etc), can cash and carry and same with MHC. So St Louis show actually overflows into these other small shows and helps there numbers. So that poll needs to be taken as to not what show $$$$ are sold but where did the lead actually come from.

Nightgore
01-01-2010, 10:35 AM
4 years on the same packs? All of ours, except fog additive, are all scentless now! hahaha.... We must have been really "over-stinking" it up! We kinda assumed though that the scents would be a yearly purchase anyways; like cobwebs, fog juice, jute/camo netting, etc. -Tyler

spookhaven
01-01-2010, 11:21 AM
We have two of them that we have used three years in a row. IDK we purchase each year but that burnt flesh is nasty...LOL

I would just like to see the vendors at St Louis. I have been doing a lot of research on the marketing for both of my businesses and bottom line is you have to ask to know where your business is coming from. Unfortunately everyone is really tight and advertising is expensive. What some of us are doing in real estate is combination advertising. I think some vendors here should combined or "get a dealership with eachother and promote together". We considered going to Transworld with our stiltz and iwata stuff but I don't think it is enough to pay for a booth. I'd be in the same boat as others.