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BoneYardFx
01-08-2010, 03:29 PM
Thats right! We're releasing the news here first!
Bone Yard Effects, Inc. the maker of FX FACES Prosthetics is throwing our Hat into the Silicone Mask Ring!!

We will be unveiling 3-4 designs at Monsterpalooza in April. All designs and sculptures will come from the twisted mind of Andrew Freeman, Bone Yard Effects top sculptor.

Expect the Extreme, the Gorey, the Wicked, the Twisted, the Demented and the Downright Sick!

Stay tuned !!!

Larry Bones
Bone Yard Effects, Inc.
www.BoneYardFx.com

scarygoat
01-08-2010, 05:54 PM
This is great news! You guys make great prosthetics, so I can't wait to see your silicone masks.

Nightgore
01-08-2010, 05:55 PM
Silicone prosthetics? These should be produced more in our industry! -Tyler

scarygoat
01-08-2010, 05:57 PM
Silicone prosthetics? These should be produced more in our industry! -Tyler

Oh, do you guys mean prosthetics or masks?

BoneYardFx
01-08-2010, 06:51 PM
Complete full head silicone pullover masks. All the way!

freak 'n' stein
01-08-2010, 11:33 PM
So, since more people are entering the silicone mask "arena", does this mean that because we now have choices, the prices will become competitive? I assume so, as this is a basic economic principle...I'm excited for you Larry.

BoneYardFx
01-08-2010, 11:57 PM
We're already getting attacked by one of the silicone mask makers. I'll put it out there now. We saw no "proprietry" designs. We started with no idea of how our competitors made thier product. We used our 18 years of Hollywood movie making experience to use. Period.

We hope you love what we bring to the table..........

scarygoat
01-09-2010, 09:18 AM
I think it is great to have another silicone mask company out there. MORE CHOICES, LOL! Can't wait to see your new product line.

lurker
01-09-2010, 09:44 AM
Silicone is so widely used now it would be crazy to think anyone had exclusive rights to use it for mask making. It would be like saying someone had exclusive rights to foam latex. And molding and casting are true art forms. I don't know any two artist that do it exactly the same. As the old saying goes, there are many ways to skin a cat (I do not advocate the skinning of cats).
However, once I get that nutty professor to give me his formula for flubber, and I start making flubber masks then I'm going to patten them. These masks will not only be realistic, but if an actor falls down in one, they will bounce right back up again.

PAT MATTHEWS/HOUSE OF WAX
01-09-2010, 11:13 AM
Any thoughts of silicone prosthetics?

Allen H
01-09-2010, 11:17 AM
The best bonder for silicone prosthetics is Telesis V. It is stupid expensive. I think that silicone prosthetics are cost prohibitive due to the number of times we need to apply them.

Nightgore
01-09-2010, 11:21 AM
I'd have to disagree... I think the best adhesive for silicone is 'Skin Tite' by Smooth-On!

http://www.smooth-on.com/a21/New-Skin-Tite%3D-Silicone-Adhesive-&-On-Skin-Appliance-Builder-Introduced/article_info.html


-Tyler

Allen H
01-09-2010, 01:01 PM
I have not had success with it, pieces fall off after a few hours. Perhaps I can hit ya up for info next time I run into you.

Nightgore
01-09-2010, 01:09 PM
Not a prob... We found, that sweat is the main reason skin tite slips off, so, we stopped using it on our indoor actors and just our roamers. Being outside the majority of the time, in the cool air, they tend to not sweat as much.

Touch ups are always needed, as with any of our make-ups, we always did the skin tite touch ups while that actor was on their break... it seemed to fall into place like that... actor break = just in time for touch up! hahaha..

-Tyler

stafford
01-17-2010, 09:34 PM
I think there will be a lot more silicone pieces in the future, whether it be props or masks. I think we'll see more silicone at Transworld this year, maybe even some new companies.

We use silicone masks in our attractions, from both CFX and SPFX and I have nothing but good to say about them. They are a little hot for the actors, but they seem to get used to it. They do tend to tear a bit which sucks because they are expensive, but I still think they're worth it.

Excited to see new masks coming from other companies. I agree, I don't see how anyone could claim any rights to silicone as a mask making material.

Like I said, excited about the possibilities.

Chris

spfxmasks
01-17-2010, 09:48 PM
Larry is one of the nicest most laid back guys that i have met here in LA. I wish him the best of luck with his venture. Rusty

boneefx
01-17-2010, 10:24 PM
Thanks Rusty! By the way, your new stuff looks Great!

PAT MATTHEWS/HOUSE OF WAX
01-22-2010, 11:02 AM
if anyone should claim exclusive rights to the use of silicone it should be the adult sex toy industry they have been doing silicone body parts for yrs. LOL

Terrorknight
01-22-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree, I've always liked there work with silicone.

drfrightner
01-22-2010, 12:47 PM
Why would you go to Monsterpaloza over Transworld that is silly... if you are trying to sell to collectors great but if you are trying to make them for haunted houses you are going to the wrong show.

Outside of that its a free country and anyone who wants to sell silicone masks can anyone who wants to sell haunted houses can or animations or whatever... but if you are going to sell silicone masks I think its important that people can touch feel and see the product to trust it.

I think people already know what CFX and or SPFX brings to the table in terms of durability and designs. There is a very limited market for these masks because of the expense so getting into field seems risky when two companies are already so well established.

It boils down to price, durability and design.

Larry

boneefx
01-22-2010, 01:21 PM
Larry,
We're done with Transworld. period. We may try the Houston show next year. We're attending Monsterpalooza since its a local show and won't cost us an arm and leg to exhibit. We exhibited at Monsterpalooza last year and had the best sales from California to date. We also looked at "Do we want to spend our money on going to a tradeshow or invest it in a new product line?"

Yes, Spfx and CFX are established, but Both us and Spfx were doing business before CFX jumped on board and did both "Silicone masks" and "Foam latex prosthetics". There's room for us all. period.

Nightgore
01-22-2010, 01:27 PM
Going to have to agree with Larry... I love that your going to introduce some new silicone pieces, there's ALWAYS room for new stuff.

However... your asking me to fly all the way to California, and all the expense that takes up, to see your new line. I think a vendor needs to go to where the buyers are. I can honestly say that no matter how cool your new stuff is... I simply could not purchase any because I MUST see it in person. It's like buying a car without test driving it, but on a smaller scale. Silicone anything is not cheap... foam prosthetics are different, I can buy them without feeling or seeing them in person, they're really not that expensive.

Just my thinking... I hope you sell a ton, actually, I hope you sell out of everything before the season gets here. But I, will not be buying unless I can see them at a haunted attraction industry show (TW, MHC, NHC). -Tyler

drfrightner
01-22-2010, 01:32 PM
Larry,

I think you might have attended the Vegas Transworld show and yeah that wasn't so great... but the HAUNT ONLY SHOW that is another story! Over 6,000 people walked the halls during the three day event. Attending the Houston show that would be a disaster because for one that show costs $2500 per booth, two the show is over its done, and three its a retail show no one there would want 600 masks. Don't be upset with Transworld show because you went to Vegas and it bombed that has nothing to do with the haunt industry vendors and buyers alike coming together to make our show successful!

You really really really really missed out if you didn't attend last year!

Ask around they will tell you!

Bottom line I'm not saying don't make silicone masks, like I said its America anyone can do whatever they want and I saw more power to you... but it is a very niche market with a very small and selective group of buyers. Those buyers will be at the TW show in full force! That is what I'm saying ... when you are talking about a product as expensive as silicone masks you better get in front of the buyer!

The buyer will be at the Transworld Haunt show!

Good luck with your new projects and keep me informed I'm always interested in new stuff.

Larry

PAT MATTHEWS/HOUSE OF WAX
01-22-2010, 08:44 PM
Please dont take this the wrong way I think theses masks are awsome and true works of art. I just have a few personal concerns Im a pretty extreme actor and must have a duradle comfortable mask. Ive seen the silicone and am terrified they will rip going onto my big mellon. My next concern is having an all out heat stroke .Here in TX its still in the upper 80s or 90s for most of our season. Im afraid id keel over dead wearing a heavy floppy thing like that. My suggestion make half silicone masks similar to zagone studios latex masks. you can either have the hair exposed, a fabric hood or a wig. So you can vent the heat and not cook your brains. Where is all the water and sweat going it cant run off like a latex mask? Is it sitting beneath the mask on your skin for hours? The last thing I need is a rash on my face during operation.

stafford
01-22-2010, 09:13 PM
Pat,

We used a bunch of silicone masks in our attractions last year. I even wore one for a night. They are warm, and you do sweat, but they're really not that bad. After all, you will sweat in most all masks, even the latex half masks, the drippy moisture from your breath, mmmmm.

The only complaint I got was from our acting coordinator because he had to wear his radio ear bud under the mask, it worked, but it probably wasn't that comfortable.

I really thought our actors would wine and complain and not one complaint from the actors. Of course I was sure to tell them not to ahead of time :) We had one with a giant noggin that we couldn't get one to fit on. They really seemed to enjoy wearing them, and they definitely enjoy the responses they got with them. Of course Texas is probably a bit warmer than Colorado in October.

As far as silicone prosthetics, any one else want to chime in? We've heard skin tite recommended, and Telesis, anyone else use any other adhesives? Anyone used silicone prosthetics with good success with their adhesive?

Like I said, I think more and more vendors will experiment with silicone, masks and other things. I know our guys are having fun experimenting right now. Always room for more good products.

Chris

spookologist
01-23-2010, 12:36 AM
Larry,

Congrats on diving into the silicone market, I am a big fan of your work and would love to see what you can do with silicone. I would also LOVE to see you at the TransWorld show in St Louis. ;)

Pat,
Matt from Edge Design makes a few good prosthetics made out of silicone. We've had great luck with them.

Wayne

Matt Marich
01-23-2010, 08:11 AM
Larry, It's a smart move going into Silicone, the realism and durability over Foam is a key factor. Some day you will see versions of these in the retail market, mark my words! The Chinese will be selling these babies for something like $ 69.99!!

But seriously, Monster Palooza is a rising show in the west, we will at least attend this year so we can catch up on old friends from the film industry.

If you enter the market, a fews things I've noted. SPFX does amazing lifelike characters, CFX does amazing creatures, very original. Concetrate on gore and durability. Reinforce your masks with nylon, and think about selling a small one time repair kit. (one time because of the shelf life of Platinum Silicone. ) Include some nylon or spandex mess to repair corners with a batch of silicone. If you plan on putting hair on the masks, consider using it to conceal smal open "vents" to allow air into the mask. Some areas of the country , like us, experience high temps even in October.

Thanks Wayne for the kudos on our Freekin Faces Silicone appliances. Our goal was to feature a nitch between Foam Appliances, and Silicone Masks. Durability, the ability to re-use them for one or two seasons, pre-painted so they can be applied quickly, and the choice to use them as masks or appliances were key factors.

Matt

Gore Galore
01-23-2010, 08:55 AM
And Larry,
It is a critical factor to make sure your castings are thick enough. I have seen some foam latex prosthetics were too thin. That is almost no big deal if you are building them into a build up mask, but if you do that with silicone you will have lots of unhappy customers.

Matt,
great recommendations.
The reinforcement around the mouth, eyes, and nose holes are critical. It is not that they might tear, it is that they will tear without reinforcement atleast around the mouth.

hauntatorium
01-23-2010, 09:27 AM
Funny you should mention silicone half masks. Hauntatorium Studios is working on Full silicone masks as well as silicone half masks. Photos will be available soon.

MDKing
01-23-2010, 09:35 AM
Hauntatorium,

Any hints as to what types of characters are planned?

Also, I sent you a pm.

Thanks,
Allan

Speculo
01-23-2010, 02:01 PM
My thoughts on Silicone....

We have between SPFX and CFX and custom creatures made for NETHERWORLD from three different FX Artists over 40 Silicone masks.

Now they do look GREAT but they do have downsides. They are very hot and can be torn - if you have lots of animations you need a welder and if you have lots of Silicone masks you need to have the skills to repair them.

For me the big PLUS of silicone is that it is cleanable - multiple people CAN wear it, so it is great as a mask used by many folks, unlike the foam masks and socks that must be more personal ( They absorb sweat and spit - but breathe better)

BUT If you have only on person wearing a thing, foam masks and sock masks can also be excellent without the HEAT. We have been doing Silicone Icons for the last few years, but last season I had occasion to slip into one of our old Foam masks and MAN it felt good!

Last year we got into silicone appilances in a big way and I really liked them (They were all custom made - mainly Vampire brow ridges and zombie radiation burns...) They lasted many applications and could also be used on more than one actor because they could be cleaned. They do wear out, the fine edges will get torn up, but they do outlast the foam by far. Don't know what we settled on as an adhesive, we tried em all, but I think it was an expensive one made for the job - Telisis or Skin Tite I think.

Re: Silicone - I am over it as a be all end all.. It is now a powerful tool in the arsenal but only PART of a good haunt. This years prime icon will be FOAM, because it works for the character, and our side show character will be SILICONE because it is the right tool for the job.

If you haven't tried silicone is suggest you do - There are many excellent masks and probably dozens more from all the companies. But like any tool you use you need to understand it. It is expensive, it can be torn by rough handling and it is HOT. Many actors will hate the masks and fight wearing them. Since they fit tight you need to find the right person for the mask who loves it and fits it. But if you can meet all of these goals you will have some magic! Sort of like finding a person to wear a stalk around character - How many of those are un-used because the actors don't want to wear them.

Just My thoughts...

Thanks!

Matt Marich
01-23-2010, 02:10 PM
Everyone, Great post and thread. Ben and Alan, please stop by our booth and check out our approach to this!

Matt

Edge Designs, Booth 310

scarygoat
01-25-2010, 02:39 PM
Funny you should mention silicone half masks. Hauntatorium Studios is working on Full silicone masks as well as silicone half masks. Photos will be available soon.

Can't wait to see the photos!

hauntatorium
01-26-2010, 10:12 AM
We are certainly excited about the upcoming Transworld show. SPFX and CFX have by far set the standard for silicone masks, they ARE the best for a reason! Hauntatorium Studios is a small company, starting our second full year of business. We, like others, just want to offer a different variety of products, ranging from the standard latex full and half masks, as well as full and half silcone masks. Last year we had 2 stilt costumes, this year we are looking to have anywhere between 8-10 total stilt costumes. So again, we are looking forward to a great show and year, not only for us, but for everybody in the Haunt business, vendors, haunted attraction owners, retailers, ect., cause lets face it, we are all in this together!:) The more success each company has leads to more success in the Haunted Attraction business. So with that being said, Hauntatorium Studios would like to wish every person associated with the haunted attraction industry in this upcoming season, the very best, most profitable, exciting, and lets not forget, the most fun year ever! If you cant have fun doing what you love, then whats the point of doing it!!! We will see you all in March! Russell

Nightmare_Trance
01-26-2010, 01:02 PM
Russell,

Your stilt costumes are great!! Can't wait to see what another year under the belt provides for us this season.

hauntatorium
01-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Thanks so much for the compliment! We had some learning curves and growing pains to go through, but you have to go through them to get better! We have a great team and great friends that have helped us get off the ground, Jeremy and Reed designed our Asylum and Scarecrow, so they deserve all the credit for those! This year we are working on a couple of clown stilts, reapers, and prison costumes to name a few. Any suggestions as to what anybody is looking for, we are all ears! thats what we are here for! Russell

MDKing
01-26-2010, 06:49 PM
Hauntatorium,

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with, Can you check your PM?


Thanks,
Allan