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Rich Hanf
01-28-2010, 10:08 AM
Greetings Minions...it has been some time since I was awakened from a deep sleep...dripping in sweat...because a prediction had manifested itself deep into my psyche. That is exactly what happened to Hanf-A-Domous late last night!!!

The first image I had seared into my minds eye was of a group of people. I saw the powerful, the movers and shakers, I saw what appeared to be a group like the Bilderburgers group or perhaps the Trilateral Commission...but wait. It was a powerful group like those...only the haunters version of them. YES...it is the haunting version of the Council of Foreign Affairs...it is AMERICAS HAUNTS!!! It's true!!! This super secret group...akin to Skull & Bones...has sequestered itself deep in the bowels of the 13th Gate haunted House to discuss.....to discuss...Ah...well that remains the content of another post. This much can be said...nobody is supposed to know what is being said behind these walls!!! Who will benefit from these uber secret talks? Who will be the winners and who will be the losers? Only time will tell!!! One thing is certain. There is no such thing as a cave so deep or a wall so think that it cannot be penetrated by the psyche of Hanf-A-Domous...seer of things unseen...knower of things unknown!!!

An yet...as I struggled to fall back to sleep yet a bigger prediction imbedded itself in my mind. A prediction so drastic, so surprising that it will shock all who read it...and yet it shouldn't.
For years now Hanf-A-Domous the Great has predicted that there is no need for as many tradeshows as this industry has. Although all seems calm on the tradeshow front, there is a cool wind beginning to blow...a wind that will change everything as we know it.
I...Hanf-A-Domous the Great hereby predicts that in the very near future we will hear news of a consolidation...a consolidation of tradeshows. A consolidation that will either change not one...but TWO tradeshows...change them or ELIMIMNATE THEM ENTIRELY!!! YES...as it is written so shall it be. As that which we have known goes away...remember that you have heard it here this day!!!

And now I will go back to pondering the mysteries of life...mysteries such as...Why is the game Monopoly made by only one company?
Hail and farewell Hanf-A-Domous the Magnificent

MDKing
01-28-2010, 10:22 AM
Rich,

The Man with the plan. The man of the hour too sweet to be sour!!
Great to hear from you I hope all is well!

Allan

graystone
01-28-2010, 11:55 AM
The Porno Awards and Trade Show will combine with the Haunted Attractions Show very soon! Shane and its gonna be wild! Shane this time.

The Doctor
01-28-2010, 12:01 PM
Does this mean the boob lady does not even have to paint them?

drfrightner
01-28-2010, 01:56 PM
How did you know that info o great one... one thing you missed though is that not all members of America Haunts are going, because I won't be holed up anywhere but my own home working on our haunted house for this tradeshow coming up called Transworld. LOL

I think the meeting at the 13th Gate is more of a chance to see 13th Gate and hang out, talk whatever. I would have loved to see 13th Gate but I'm just way too busy!

I'll get there next time.

Nice to see you have awaken from your deep slumber to start your predictions once again!

Larry

Speculo
01-28-2010, 07:56 PM
I thought that meeting was on the Bloody Mary Cruise! Thats when they sign the pacts in blood AND dance the polka while dressed like cows!

Grimley
01-28-2010, 08:39 PM
RIP Transworld Chicago

scaryguy666
01-28-2010, 09:53 PM
r.i.p. haunt con

Nightgore
01-29-2010, 12:00 AM
I love this industry... haha... -Tyler

TheMonsterMaze
01-29-2010, 12:56 PM
Well, we're not going anywhere - we're booked up until 2012. :)

2010 Show Dates!
Thursday, April 29th, 2010
Friday, April 30th, 2010
Saturday, May 1st, 2010
Sunday, May 2nd, 2010


2011 Show Dates!
Thursday, May 5th, 2011
Friday, May 6th, 2011
Saturday, May 7th, 2011
Sunday, May 8th, 2011

2012 Show Dates!
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012
Thursday, May 3rd, 2012
Friday, May 4th, 2012
Saturday, May 5th, 2012
Sunday, May 6th, 2012

The Nightmare Factory
02-03-2010, 12:01 AM
I am not sure I understand Rich, why do we have to get rid of smaller conventions? I am working my >>> off to get a mid sized show off the ground for my students as well as haunters from all over. This sort of post just makes for ill feelings.

You don't have to like me or my convention, but I would never post anything anywhere that would do damage or potenial damage to anothers show.

I made darn sure to not set dates that would conflict with another show.

I wish for the sake of everyone that instead of 'predicting' the down fall of haunted house conventions we would work together to help each other.

Darkangel
02-03-2010, 03:42 AM
Rich didn't say anything about the downfall of other shows or anything negative, he said some shows might consolidate maybe some will get bought out or something that's extremely common in the business world you try to buy out your competition...

DA

drfrightner
02-04-2010, 12:20 AM
Hanfadomas has made all sorts of predictions many of which have come true... I don't know how serious you take them but sometimes he has inside info that tells him something may or may not happen but most of the predictions have humor attached.

Secondly, I didn't know you are producing a show which one is it?

Lastly, as for some of these smaller shows falling off... I will have to go with Rich on that for many reasons. One you have two shows on the same exact DAY! How dumb is that?

How can you expect everyone to support either show when they both fall on the same dates? Explain? Additionally it seems like everyone and their grandma is planning, producing and is doing some sort of haunted event. I guess it really boils down to are you trying to make money, is the success predicated on if vendors buy booths or just if haunts show up for events and seminars.

I don't think these vendors are going to all these shows this year, they can't afford it money wise one and two TIME... if you are always going to shows like every other weekend how can you build products?

I think its great if new shows spring up but not ones that depend on vendors support because I don't think they are going to a zillion shows.

Regional events with seminars, tours, and events are great, convention halls with vendors ahhh I don't think that will happen! It really just boils down to what your plans are... I think we should have 50 regional shows that focus on education and events. That would be great!

Tell us what your plans are...

But in the end I think RIch might be refering to two shows going head to head trying to get buyers, trying to get vendors all on the same day! Unless there is a clone machine out there I don't think it will happen... LOL

Larry

The Nightmare Factory
02-04-2010, 01:48 AM
Hey Larry,

I am the project manager for the west coast haunters conveniton May 20-23.
www.westcoasthaunters.homestead.com

Allow me to address your points -

It is true that there are two shows right on top of each other. Lack of planning on the part of one show or the other, I cannot say, this is why I am planning mine when I am.

Our show fills several gaps, one there currently is no show on the west coast. Two I cannot take my students and staff to any out of state shows, therefore I started the WCHC. Our approach to the show is different than most and if you want, I can explain what I mean by this another time.

My vendor response has been fantastic! I am blessed... I went into this with a plan, knmowing full well it might not come to pass. I am pleased to say it is growing leaps and bounds. I have a good speaker base for our first year, once all the contracts are signed I will annouce them. Same goes with the vendors.

Our show is not in a convetion hall, no time to secure one, we holding it on campus. why not we owwn the property and we have the space, ample space.
In the furture I have several options for convention space, even a real conventnion hall. This being our first year we wanted to play it safe.

I hope this clears a few things up, thank you for the opportunity to discuss this.

Ed Roberts
Project Manger
WCHC
Founder of the Nightmare Factory at the Oregon School for the Deaf!
22 years and still screaming!

drfrightner
02-04-2010, 02:53 AM
Hey Just FYI... we have you listed in our new magazine and we have you listed on our convention and tradeshow page. We are happy to help you in any way we can... you just let us know!

Good luck with your event!

And yes getting back to the prediction its not really a tough prediction when you think about two shows spending a ton of money to produce the shows and bam they are on the same days... unreal!

Anyway someone is going to suffer if not both. Even if these shows are one week apart that is still way to close! I think what needs to happen is a POW WOW between all the shows they get on a conference call and bang out their times and dates.

Larry

The Nightmare Factory
02-04-2010, 03:13 AM
Thank you Larry for the mention in the new Hauntworld. I need to subscribe again, lol, it's been a long time since I have seen a copy.

I would like to offer you something, I know you won't be able to make it to the show, but if you'd like to send us information about the magazine and some copies to hand out or out in our goodie bags, however you wnat us to distribute them we'd be happy to.

Thanks you for the kinds words too. I guess the fate of the two aforementioned conventions, there's a mouthful, are in the hands of their producers.

I'll take any and all the help I can get.

Ed

Nightgore
02-06-2010, 01:33 PM
R.I.P. St. Louis Hauntshow! It was nice to know you but we'll have to settle with a colder, danker Chicago show. Will this be my last year at TW? Someone will have to really talk me into going to Chicago in the winter time... it just sucks.

Like I said... MHC looks better everyday!! -Tyler

damon carson
02-06-2010, 01:41 PM
I wish someone would say preferrably Rich which haunts going belly up or joining w whoever.
I really would like to know. If I had to guess I would say either Houston Expo is done for. Or the Chicago show is coming to St. Louis. I cant see it leaving St. Louis. Not if this year is even bigger than last year.
Damon

Speculo
02-06-2010, 05:46 PM
St. Louis Haunt Show is looking great! If you are actually looking for a convention to push daisies I don't think this is it!

drfrightner
02-07-2010, 01:51 AM
As for Hanfs other prediction... yes I've heard the rumors that Transworld will fold the Halloween retail show, or put it back together again with the haunt show but not in Chicago but in St. Louis.

I can tell you honestly one of the main reasons the show is in HOUSTON is because the buyers HATE Chicago because its too cold. Nothing personal against Chicago but I don't like it at all in winter time.

Furthermore I find Rosemont to be the most boring town in America. If TW moved this Haunt Show back to Chicago it would fall apart for many reasons... COST!!!!

The haunt industry is cheap (I know I know but its true) and anything that would raise costs would really cripple the show, and I think Transworld knows that... but lets be honest nothing is going to save the retail show for Transworld even putting these two shows together.

Rubies and this thing in Houston have taken it over... and well ruined a big event in the process. I would NOT attend a show in Chicago in the winter never ever will I attend again.

These tradeshows are becoming less and less important to everyone and that is why they need to be FUN for all... seems like more than ever before haunters from all walks are getting together and creating events, get togethers, and more because they have their own show.

Me personally I don't want to see the retail show and the haunt show back together... and even if it was attempted it probably won't work. If Transworld's Chicago show doesn't hit a home run those retail vendors won't go back no matter what city it goes to.

Transworld retail show needs to be a success a big success later this month... what will happen remains to be seen but we'll see.

The haunt show needs to be in MARCH and the retail show needs to be in JANUARY so the two don't mix and for that reason and many many more I just don't see the shows ever truly working together again.

I do know and fully understand though that Transworld needs to do whatever it can to fix the retail show, but bring them to us not us to them.

That is my view.

Larry

xxxdirk
02-07-2010, 01:35 PM
Truth is for anyone that EVER went to the show in Chicago, the aisles WERE packed and it was a great show. St louis is fun, but not as big or fun as Chicago. Yes, we haunters are having fun, and some folks like Shane are doing their best to make it fun, but from a pure stand point of numbers of people walking around or the scope of the convention, St Louis is about 1/8th the size of Chicago when you combined the costume show, and the paper show and the haunt show. I mean Chicago was huge. It would take almost a full day to walk the whole floor. I can do ST LOUIS in a couple of hours. Chicago fell out of grace because a few movers and shakers had a falling out and the big companies that pulled out of the Chicago show REALLY hurt Transworld. Then Transworld moved the show to Vegas which was a bad choice. It was the perfect storm as far as how many bad decisions were made.

Anyways, Chicago is a 3 hour drive for me and I own a small costume shop so I am going to buzz down there for one day. I am not expecting much, but I will let you know my thoughts.
Cant wait to see everyone in St Louis... Ron

Gore Galore
02-07-2010, 01:51 PM
Ron,

You are close to the first I have seen that knows what happened to Transworld in odds with the Houston show. I am glad to see the lack of anger in your post.
It sucks how things are now versus a couple years ago, but this is how they are and I want to see this industry make the best of it both for vendors and buyers.

I think we are doing that being in St Louis. It obviously hurts the vendors and buyers who bridge that haunt retail/wholesale market with the shows not being together, and that it is in St Louis and not Chicago, but all I can say is it is just the way it is.
And the buyers just want to be where most of the vendors are.
So, St Louis it is.
You will hear some interesting news come out at the St Louis Haunt Show about the 2011 show. And I am sure it will cause some drama in the haunt industry, but I think it will be a good turn for all.

drfrightner
02-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Ron,

No matter how its explained to you a zillion ways from Sunday you never seem to see through the glass...

What you are describing is OLD NEWS... Transworld Retail show will never be the same show ever again. Ever! Rubies ditched that show and they are the biggest vendor taking the most space with the most buyers. So if you want that show to happen you need to encourage everyone to join forces with the Houston show, which is even farther than St. Louis, additionally you need to ask our vendors to pay $2500.00 per booth, over twice what they pay now plus you need to have the buyers and the vendors to accept being second fiddle again.

Is that what you want because no level of crying no level of pleading will change the reality... CHICAGO IS OVER!

The Haunt industry should NOT go backwards and try to reunite with the old retail show because that show is not supported like it use to be not even close. One more point...

If the Rubies group wanted to put their show in Chicago because Chicago is so great in the winter THEY COULD HAVE NOTHING WAS STOPPING THEM!

They choose instead to go to Houston because of the weather! They decided they didn't want to even come within 1000 miles of Chicago and went SOUTH to Houston. The retail industry CHOOSE HOUSTON NOT CHICAGO!

So basically in a nut shell sure TW can try to put these two shows back together again but that isn't going to change the reality that already is... Rubies is gone and with them went a whole bunch of other vendors.

And WHO CARES about them anyway I don't they don't do anything for me or the haunt industry.

We have our own show as long as it centralized for all vendors and semi warm and CHEAP we are all good... CHICAGO HELL NO WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER... whoops it probably would in Chicago. LOL

Anyway last but not least Chicago was NEVER FUN for anyone NO ONE ... it was just a bunch of haunters hanging out at a hotel that was all nothing more nothing less. In St. Louis or a city like St. Louis you have casinos, strip bars (LOL), over 100 places to eat or drink, dance clubs, bowling, entertainment, and cheap hotels all within a block or two or less than a mile or less. Totally different totally better.

Give me a city like this not Chicago errrr Rosemont!

Larry

Jim Warfield
02-07-2010, 02:52 PM
For anything in Chicago should be taking the weather into real consideration. In my opinion there can often be a huge difference between the beginning versus the end of March.
Sliding a date toward Feb. is asking for trouble for venders and customers.

xxxdirk
02-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Kevin, me ANGRY? Naw, I got a lot more things that get me angry than the show. Like the STUPID PACKERS! LOL

Larry, I never said I want TW to move back to Chicago. I was simply stating a fact, that TW had a good thing going in Chicago. They had a tradeshow that was huge, that was well attended. I also said that a number of factors came together that caused CHICAGO to die. I can also appreciate why you are so passionate about having TW now in YOUR city. You can showcase your haunt and sleep in your own bed and not have to worry about travel. Larry, you keep saying how warm St Louis is compared to to Chicago. I just checked. At this second,
St Louis is 3 degrees warmer than Chicago, and you guys are expecting a snow storm!!! Last year in rained and was cold on the night I went to the Darkness. So anyway, lets just sit back and see what happens this convention season. I am looking forward to seeing all the new stuff on the floor and visiting the haunts and the socializing

drfrightner
02-07-2010, 11:46 PM
Ron,

Couple of things I've gone to more tradeshows than everyone in this room combined... and NONE was ever in my city! I don't mind going out of town to tradeshows if they are of any worth to my business. I went to Chicago every year since 1994, I've gone to every single IAAPA Show since 1995 so do I care if they are in my city hell no that has nothing to do with it.

In fact I've said from day one don't care what city the show is in as long as its in the midwest (MIDDLE) and the show gets an affordable town to have the show. Haunters saved TONS of money moving out of that money pit known as Rosemont. When you have to PAY JUST TO GET OFF THE HIGHWAY, you have to PAY A TOLL, you have issues.

I will never go back there.

Lastly, let me say you don't know what happened with the Chicago show, it wasn't Transworlds fault totally... it was that retail industry, their associations that wanted the show to move to Vegas. Chicago was cold, errr Rosemont was cold, dreary, boring, expensive, and tired.

Keep it retired! But it was the industry that wanted it moved out of Chicago not Transworld they only did what that industry told them to do... then they decided they wanted to start their own show which they did.

That show was ruined then re-created for retailers by retailers without haunters... face it, wake up to it, and accept it. Now we have our own show and the retailers are going wow wish we had those guys back they were a lot of fun. But those serious retailers down in Houston they don't really miss us...

We are better off period!

As for the weather here in St. Louis its great in March... great! I have a baseball team and we're playing baseball tournaments OUTSIDE second weekend of March and the 3rd weekend of March. It hardly ever snows here, yes last year for a brief moment it snowed, and when you woke up it was warm and no signs of any snow left. That is St. Louis!

Larry

Matt Marich
02-08-2010, 06:41 AM
Houston has taken roots and grown wings from what I have heard. Forget the retail business for now, let's build the Haunt Show into an entertainment destination, a specilized IAAPA.

Take a look, our show floor has grown from last year, look at all the non Haunt vendors that are giving it a try. I think overall, most of these vendors did well enough to come back. ( I.E. vendors like Grignard, Dillion.)

Viva La Haunt!

mindtumor
02-08-2010, 07:11 AM
Ron,

No matter how its explained to you a zillion ways from Sunday you never seem to see through the glass...

What you are describing is OLD NEWS... Transworld Retail show will never be the same show ever again. Ever! Rubies ditched that show and they are the biggest vendor taking the most space with the most buyers. So if you want that show to happen you need to encourage everyone to join forces with the Houston show, which is even farther than St. Louis, additionally you need to ask our vendors to pay $2500.00 per booth, over twice what they pay now plus you need to have the buyers and the vendors to accept being second fiddle again.

Is that what you want because no level of crying no level of pleading will change the reality... CHICAGO IS OVER!

The Haunt industry should NOT go backwards and try to reunite with the old retail show because that show is not supported like it use to be not even close. One more point...

If the Rubies group wanted to put their show in Chicago because Chicago is so great in the winter THEY COULD HAVE NOTHING WAS STOPPING THEM!

They choose instead to go to Houston because of the weather! They decided they didn't want to even come within 1000 miles of Chicago and went SOUTH to Houston. The retail industry CHOOSE HOUSTON NOT CHICAGO!

So basically in a nut shell sure TW can try to put these two shows back together again but that isn't going to change the reality that already is... Rubies is gone and with them went a whole bunch of other vendors.

And WHO CARES about them anyway I don't they don't do anything for me or the haunt industry.

We have our own show as long as it centralized for all vendors and semi warm and CHEAP we are all good... CHICAGO HELL NO WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER... whoops it probably would in Chicago. LOL

Anyway last but not least Chicago was NEVER FUN for anyone NO ONE ... it was just a bunch of haunters hanging out at a hotel that was all nothing more nothing less. In St. Louis or a city like St. Louis you have casinos, strip bars (LOL), over 100 places to eat or drink, dance clubs, bowling, entertainment, and cheap hotels all within a block or two or less than a mile or less. Totally different totally better.

Give me a city like this not Chicago errrr Rosemont!

Larry

Larry, aren't you from Houston? Are you telling all of these shows to go to locations your associated with, lol? C'mon admit it, you made Rubies move to your home town and now you made the haunt show move to where you currently live, lol. Just messing.

P.S- You could move the show to Detroit, there are strip clubs there too I have been told, lol.

Howie Slobber Erlich
02-08-2010, 07:43 AM
Jared,

I suggested moving the show to Detroit last year and almost got blasted of the forum. I even sent crime statisctics between Detroit and Saint Louis. It's pretty interesting. After all, Michigan is the haunt capital of the world with more haunts in a small area than anywhere. You would think it may be the perfect place to have the show. Move it to Mid March and the weather won't be a problem. There are many haunts that would love to open there doors for an off season industry tour of their shows. NEVR GONNA HAPPEN! LOL! Here is a link to last years thread on this topic:
http://hauntworld.com/haunted_house_forums/showthread.php?t=7481

Howie "Slobber" Erlich
Deadly Intentions Haunted Attraction
www.deadlyintentionshaunt.com

wickedfarmer
02-08-2010, 08:10 AM
I realise I am just a little guy when it comes to haunts. A farmer who runs a maze and haunted trail. But since I have bought big items like Scarefactory Slayer, Scissor serpeant, new from factory and many other large items like Impaler, Vortex tunnel, and so on I would like to interject this to the powers that be in this industry. Trade shows after March will not be attended by farmers like myself. With all the push I see to include corn mazes & pumpkin patches just keep that in mind. I will be in St. Louis again this year. I will not be at Hauntcon for next three years ONLY because of the dates being April & May.

mindtumor
02-08-2010, 08:27 AM
I was just teasing about the clubs, but really Michigan isn't as bad as people think. You want cheap and affortable, go to the D or the metro area which IS really nice. We have what 3 casinos downtown? We have everything that was mentioned about St. Louis but the arch. I have been to both St. Louis and Detroit and no matter what anyone says, they are very similiar. And Howie is correct we have a ton of haunted houses. What did the Hauntcon attendies think of it when they where here? As far as the weather, yeah by the end of March it is fine.

Howie, have you been hearing some rumors about a lot of haunts leaving the area? I keep hearing stuff but don't know that any of it is true.

Howie Slobber Erlich
02-08-2010, 11:49 AM
Jared,

I hear those rumors every year. As far as I have heard all the big, well know haunts in the area are planning on opening once again. We always have a few close down each year. But another one usually opens in it's place. Unfortunately, everyone thinks they can open a haunt and make it a huge success right away. Most of them quickly realize that this is one of the hardest businesses to open and actually make any money from. In our market only the good survive. The rest get bad word of mouth and vanish into the night.

drfrightner
02-08-2010, 01:46 PM
I used to live in Houston yes... for seven years. The weather is nice down there if you like a lot of flash floods! (LOL). I think it only snowed one time in seven years I lived there and it was so light it didn't matter.

Houston is a nice city. Chicago is a nice city! But when you do conventions in the winter time no one wants to walk into an ice storm, freezing windy weather not me.

As for strip clubs (LOL)... I personally don't go to them. I read however that men listed strip clubs as the #1 thing they seek out when they go to conventions or out of town trips. All of us men are just such the low life! LOL

Larry

mindtumor
02-08-2010, 02:07 PM
I used to live in Houston yes... for seven years. The weather is nice down there if you like a lot of flash floods! (LOL). I think it only snowed one time in seven years I lived there and it was so light it didn't matter.

Houston is a nice city. Chicago is a nice city! But when you do conventions in the winter time no one wants to walk into an ice storm, freezing windy weather not me.

As for strip clubs (LOL)... I personally don't go to them. I read however that men listed strip clubs as the #1 thing they seek out when they go to conventions or out of town trips. All of us men are just such the low life! LOL

Larry

I know, I was just harassing you about the clubs, lol. Look, honestly, you are right about weather. I am sure 9 out of 10 people would rather go somewhere warm in the winter unless they are skiing. Me, it doesn't bother me to go somewhere when the weather I live in is exactly like the weather I am traveling too. But if I could go warm vs cold, i would be out of my mind to pick cold.

Matt Marich
02-08-2010, 05:57 PM
To go back to an earlier thread...

You know your a haunter when you spend your Strip Club money on a cool prop!!

drfrightner
02-08-2010, 06:19 PM
Okay I think I have got to the bottom of this whole ordeal... GO TO THE RETAIL SHOW IN CHICAGO and everything will be announced! When and if you go to the show in CHICAGO the retail show you'll learn what is going to happen in 2011. I've already known this was in the works but now its going to be final.

I'm not saying anything more but it will be announced and revealed in Chicago.

So in other words if you go or even if you don't go you'll know all the details witin a few days. But yeah there is a big announcement to be had.

Larry

Grimley
02-08-2010, 06:52 PM
Hopefully the merge I have been waiting for since they announced the split. Crossing fingers.

xxxdirk
02-08-2010, 08:14 PM
dun dun dunnnn