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Darkangel
04-01-2010, 10:29 AM
I just received word that the merger is official!!!
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April Fools!!!

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spookhaven
04-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Good one Dark! You had me going for a minute.

damon carson
04-01-2010, 11:02 AM
Lol! Funny!
Damon

drfrightner
04-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Good one. I also heard Hanfadomas predicted his next prediction would be WRONG! LOL

Larry

Dan Faupel
04-03-2010, 12:35 AM
In all seriousness, I think we will see this happen in the near future...the two organizations are almost identical, and is a logical move...

JamBam
08-18-2010, 10:09 AM
So,
The IAHA has announced the merger this morning and I expect to get news from my HHA member newsline.

I think that the industry groups have recognized that the best outcome can be had by ONE group. The resources and people are limited despite all of us thinking we can conquer the world by ourselves.

I support the merger.

jakprintsHAUNT
08-18-2010, 12:01 PM
So,
The IAHA has announced the merger this morning and I expect to get news from my HHA member newsline.

I think that the industry groups have recognized that the best outcome can be had by ONE group. The resources and people are limited despite all of us thinking we can conquer the world by ourselves.

I support the merger.


According to the IAHA newsletter, it is still up to the members for the final decision, but I dont see it in any way being a bad thing or not getting voted in favor of...may just get a tad hairy with people who have paid into both? It can definitely make for some greater industry efforts and functions in my opinion.

Mike "Pogo" Hach

drfrightner
08-18-2010, 01:04 PM
I'm glad to hear that IAHA has disbanded and will merge with HHA... starting an all new association with a focus on JUST haunt owners and operators.

I hope good things happen.

Larry

MDKing
08-18-2010, 01:19 PM
The HHA is working with IAHA to help take this industry to a more respected, professional level. As talks continue updates will be made to memberships and the industry but all are optimistic.

Personally, I don't think there has ever been a better time than now and in the near future to be a Haunter!

Thanks,
Allan

Badger
08-18-2010, 02:45 PM
Here's to a successful merger and good things down the road...

BruiseMuse
08-18-2010, 07:02 PM
This is wonderful news and I think having everyone working together with one organization will benefit us all.

JamBam
08-19-2010, 03:36 AM
Nice jab Larry. Maybe the HHA saw it wasn't as sustainable as the salesman told them it was. And maybe some say it is the other group that is disbanding. Either way, KNOCK IT OFF LARRY! Go back to your corner. LOL

Bottom line, there are definitely cooler heads from both groups that have seen good possiblities and sat down, worked this out, and will make a smooth transition to a new era.

Here's raising a glass to toast to the happy couple (IAHA & HHA).

drfrightner
08-19-2010, 12:17 PM
Knock it off and go back to my corner... LOL

Those are fighting words! LOL

I don't know all the details I'm just saying I'm happy to hear IAHA is disbanding and merging with HHA. IAHA could have NEVER made it because of all the negative things that have happened with it over the years. IAHA was associated with mostly failure!

It was going down the tubes no matter what...

Look that isn't a JAB that is the TRUTH!

But let me stop for a moment and say this... this industry has shown little to NO intentions of supporting an association no matter who runs the thing. I hear the new cost now is going to be $250.00 per member, and lets be honest unless you are getting something that someone can show will help your business top to bottom very few will sign up either way.

So it won't matter either way really. I think HHA tried very hard to make some real benefits, but despite all of their hard work, very dedicated hard work only 125 people are so joined. IAHA was in the same exact boat.

There is NO ROOM for two associations no matter which one is better than the other one just NO room! Lets look forward for a second here... now that there will be ONE association lets hope something can be done to create real directions and benefits and from there haunt owners will join and contribute.

I said from the start IAHA needed to go away... I owned the URL HauntedAttractionsAssociation.com and I dropped it so these guys could buy because I did suggest they change the name to HHA (Haunted Attraction Assocaition). If they could both fall off the tree and start as one this would be the best new name of an industry association.

So the new name will be in fact Haunted Attraction Association.

I think this is the perfect name, and the perfect new start but lets make no bones about it even with only one association it will still be an up hill fight to win over haunt owners when you ask them to pay $250.00. Me personally I think its the fair price but for a skeptical industry who knows.

Larry

JamBam
08-19-2010, 02:27 PM
The first thing Larry is that while you are no longer a supporter of IAHA, you were on the board, the president, and often, the antagonist. But, you moved on and YOU sold HHA as an alternative, and mirrored the HHA after the IAHA in most of the same areas, except for the concept you pushed of the "owners/mgrs" running things. The IAHA did change to use the same premise in the organization leadership recently.

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Looks to me that IAHA + HHA + HAA is possibly derived more from IAHA than HHA. Maybe they are dissolving HHA.!? LOL

Once again Larry, your biases seem to skew your opinion. (just like all of us LOL) The negativity on this site from its world owner does not necessarily make the balance in the universe shift much in any direction, either. LOL

One thing this industry oraganiuzation DOES need is ONE voice or source of industry information that is not biased, favored, or skewed from non-disclosed unmentioned conflict of interests. And any and all copy cat sites that seem to try to do that should be shut down if it is not the official site.

Thanks for the chance to pull your chain for a while. Sounds like you are once again raising the bar with the LEMP Brewery. Just don't forget the family as you said a few months ago.

mindtumor
08-19-2010, 02:31 PM
It seemed like for awhile people had a negative outlook on both IAHA and HHA earlier in the year. I recall there being some problems and I recall some people leaving HHA. Do we want to discuss that or do we just want to let this whole thing die? Oh and LOL so we are all still being friendly.

jakprintsHAUNT
08-19-2010, 03:31 PM
Only comments I will make on this, is that whatever the name is as long as it has the same goal and to help the WHOLE industry, not just the owners operators. Because without the vendors and actors, there would be no industry, and vice versa. I don't only say that because I represent a vendor marketing to this industry, especially because I know that products are optional, even more so ours, but because as an organization it needs to be able to bring everyone together to improve, and show us all to the world as a whole...in a way how things like this message board allow us to do. It is comprised of owners, operators, vendors, actors, those just starting out, those who have been doing it for 30+ years, and so on.

The goal of any industry organization should be for the betterment of the ENTIRE industry.

I've been around in this industry since before the inception of both associations, visited IAHA at their first booth at Transworld and have heard good and bad from both...as an actor I was never able to see benefit from either organization thus I never joined, but knew several who did. I definitely dont think that multiple organizations was any help either, though it at least got parts of the whole together. We need to come together as a whole and these organizations joining together is a greater step in that direction. I dont think anyone should think of it as one or the other disbanding or "caving in", but coming together...otherwise it feeds off part of the problem that having two organizations created.

Thats just my two cents on it.

Mike "Pogo" Hach

drfrightner
08-19-2010, 04:29 PM
Brett,

No not biased at all... IAHA was a DISASTER from DAY ONE. It was dominated by HOME haunters, nothing wrong with that but they have one way of thinking and people who do this to pay their bills have another.

Yes I was the President and SAVED this association they were broke, had no membership, no leadership, nothing. I started that PR program, re-designed their logos, put people in charge of our message that actually owned haunts and cared about ONLY the industry, I stopped them countless times from throwing money down the drain on more book bags, or sponsoring some party, or whatever else. I also got TW to support the group and give them free meeting rooms, booth spaces something prior they spent YOUR money on to the tune of like 8000 or more.

However I learned as many did over the years that IAHA was half run by people who were NOT in the business and HALF who did... it did NOT work! Because half the people wanted parties, cupcakes and pretzels while the other half wanted things that made our business stronger. You can spin however you want but these are the facts.

Fast foward here a bit... HHA set bylaws that pointed the association in the direction for haunt owners. the board was only members who owned attractions, the goals where set for those in the industry not fans. HHA had everything going for it all the action... and later almost a year later IAHA realized it was change or go down the tubes the Johnny come lately changed their bylaws, and so much more. They ONLY CHANGED when they had no choice...

Its sad they only realized that at the end of the rope... because while I was on the board, before I was on their board people with haunts pleaded to change those bylaws and well half the board woulld lose their seat so they kept that from happening.

Look let me be clear... HHA formation and success forced this to happen we all know that. I'm happy there will be one association... that is a good thing. And I hope people will make it happen without drama and scandel because the minute that happens its over anyway.

Bottom line is on one thing.. I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU that we need one voice one source for information... that sounds like living in China. I think you need as many sources as many views, and as many idea's from all ends to be a success.

See you may not agree with everything I say but let me tell you I've been doign this a long time and have shown success at every level. I've learned from a lot of different people with all sorts of different views, standpoints, and more.

I don't vote straight Republican although now I might just to get rid of Obama, but I look at the points of view and choose based on all the facts and what I think is best for me, my business, and well in this case my industry. More times than not when doing things like this website, or our magazine its what I think is best for the industry first.

When it comes to my haunts its what I think is best for my business but I want those sources of infomation to have good points of view. I've been to haunts and I saw OMG that was horrible, while on the other WOW that was awesome, or wow not a huge fan but I like this or I like that, or I like how they did this but not that, need to make a mental note don't do this but do that...

I hear what people say on these boards and I read everything the do and the don't... I don't want any one group or website telling me what I need to think or do or being the one source for anything.

If you follow that idea you are DOOMED!

Larry

Darkangel
08-19-2010, 04:53 PM
HHA came out swinging and did more in 2 years than IAHA did in a decade and they forced IAHA to change everything from it's bylaws to membership rates and more.

Looking at the first HHA board you could see where the real cream of the crop were working together. Great leaders...

DA

jakprintsHAUNT
08-19-2010, 05:15 PM
The most successful industries as a whole will work together...I dont think anyone is asking for one voice, but one collaborative, one like minded forum of peers and friends. Many pro haunters have started as home haunters, or other walks of life. Im sure that everyone was a "fan" at one time or another...but I dont see fans flying to St. Louis for Transworld, or shelling out $250 to be part of an organization...that weeds out that demographic on its own.

And I also believe the social events are just as important as the seminars and other things...otherwise you are barreling through with blinders just trying to find a way to out edge the guy next to you...thats not friendly competition...we are a fun industry, its good to promote that. And it is not just the haunt owners that make the attractions what they are...they may be a big driving force...but it is the team behind them and behind the products they use that make them what they are.

In working together it will create a stronger industry, stronger competition, and a better overall name for this industry...educate the ones that arent the cream of the crop so they dont make a bad name for the rest of the industry. Everyone involved makes or breaks the industry...its not luck in most cases. We as a whole shape where this industry will go.


Mike "Pogo" Hach

Speculo
08-19-2010, 09:25 PM
I would like to thank both boards for showing such leadership and courage. Both boards have unanimously voted to dissolve both orgainizations and form a new one. Hopefully this will be finalized by their membership when the time comes. Until then both groups will continue to provide benifits, including PR campaigns, publications, etc. until the end of the year, as promised.

Next year you will see something new with the best of both groups, something we can all get behind. The winners here will be everyone in this industry. Exciting times!

Once again my thanks to the board members, officers and members of both orgainzations who have really shown some amazing forward thinking.

I commend you!

Thanks!

N2SPOOKINU
08-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Great news Ben!
I joined HHA last year but did not renew this year because of all the unsettled turbulence going on with the resignations and so on.
If it actually does merge into one Association count me back in for next year.
Thank you BOTH Associations for working together to help OUR industry be stronger and more productive for all.
Greg
Fearfest

drfrightner
08-20-2010, 12:48 AM
Greg,

Good point... one thing that is for SURE is that people from one side tried to undermine the other side with lies, sex and videotape! LOL

No seriously once HHA got rolling good, bam all the attacks, all the accusations, all the lies, all the drama, and why... because one side couldn't keep up. So now with there only being one association hopefully all of that will end once and for all.

Hopefully no one will make up silly lies, accuastions, and whatever else geared towards attacking one group or another. Lets all hope that stuff ends for good.

I also think neither current president of either association should continue... a new one should be choosen to show no side won, no favortism, nothing so no one could come back later and say X, Y, or Z.

Lets pick a NEW president maybe someone who was a member of BOTH assocaitions or NEITHER!

I think that is important.

Either way unless the association acutally does something, and the industry supports it nothing matters ... actions speaks louder than words!

Lets hope something good happens.

Larry

JamBam
08-20-2010, 04:44 AM
Thanks Ben for clearing up a misconception in the world. ("Both boards have unanimously voted to dissolve both orgainizations")

I have been around long enough to remember much of the history, and am a member of both organizations. I joined both because I felt there was good offered by both. WIth one, the efforts will be able to be directed outward instead of using up valuable resources competing with each other. I can almost see it now, Larry and Timmer working side by side in the HAA booth at 2012 Transworld recruiting members into the ONE voice of the industry!!!!! LOL

drfrightner
08-20-2010, 01:42 PM
LOL... you think so huh? Actually no that won't happen because I work my own booth. Last two years I didn't attend any functions, didn't go anywhere just went to the show our haunts and home. I also don't know if I will join or not so that is totally up the air to be honest with you.

I will wait and see like everyone else. Currently I'm not a member of HHA or IAHA because I don't want to get in the middle of anything I'm just enjoying doing what I'm doing which is hanging out with my kids, baseball, or whatever.

I've got my hands full with three haunts, I'm working on marketing now, websites, and more.

I plan in the off season to totally dive into Lemp and renovate Darkness a bit more before the Halloween show in march. I should be pretty busy!

I fully expect you to dive in head first! I'm just hoping when you do there is some water in that pool! LOL

Larry

Jim Warfield
08-20-2010, 07:52 PM
Drool? Might be too thick.
All of this sure sounds smart.
Maybe egos have matured and will jive along better together, this sounds good too.
How many "right" ways are there to do something? Usually more than just one. It's all in the shading.
How many wrong ways are there..an infinite number, good to avoid such this math.
Good Luck to all of those directly involved, I mean it.

Terror_Field
08-26-2010, 09:13 AM
I personally would love to see this merger happen for the hopes of a better future for all. I have been running a smaller haunted house started back in 1999 went bigger in 2001 with a few year breaks:( and would like to take it to a pro level. I am only 28 and our haunt has come a long way with the $12,000 salary a yr I was using at the time. Now things are looking allot better with the carrier I have now but this industry isn't cheap to enter in as a pro.

I hope the two associations help not just the big haunts like Darkness, Headless horseman and others that always line the top 10 spots on here and the travel channel but look to the starters maybe contest for some capital/ financing or a haunt make-over (team up with home-makeover to promote haunts while making a small haunt a chance at a pro level) Also we need to support our vendors, actors, trainers, owners (small and large) and even our guest/patrons.

Seminars are a big must to train us to become better and safer at what we do
parties are a must to socialize and bring the haunts and patrons together to create unity
Trade shows and discount programs are a must for owners and vendors
but we need to look deeper too

Fundraiser
Provide Information (cover home haunts to pro haunts to actors and vendors)
examples
- safety
- how to's
- business plan template
- training manuals/videos
Create opportunities
- Vendor discounts
- Haunt make over
- social gatherings
- trade shows
- bank initiative ( create awareness to banks about the potential profits and pmt sensitivity in-order to lessen the hold on funding this type of business)
-create a community awareness video that a haunt has areas to insert their own haunt info in order to help with public hearings / permits

and soooo much more..... Please feel free to chime in have to think of what else id like to see.