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annarchy
04-10-2010, 08:00 AM
Larry (or anybody),
How were the large vines made in The Darkness. Seemed as if they were garden hoses wrapped in 'something', then latex and fauxed. Any ideas?
Thanks!

damon carson
04-10-2010, 12:58 PM
Try autograph foliages. Thats where they buy them.
Damon

annarchy
04-10-2010, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the lead on the foliage site but I am not finding anything close.
The vines in the attraction during the 2009 tour
were not 'commercial' grade. On one spot of the vine that was ripped, it appeared to b a garden hose; and [fairly] confident it had a latex exterior. Anyone? Please?

SAWDUST JONES
04-10-2010, 02:28 PM
I saw what you saw, they looked to me like they were water hoses wrapped with thin sheet foam (1/4" to 1/2" upholstery foam) held in place with 77 spray glue and then covered with paper towel dipped in latex. This would work fine. You could also use some burlap, jute, or cheese cloth dipped in latex to make vine parts and or texture the vines.

Use mask making latex, it has a filler in it and is stronger. Don't buy the white mold making latex, you want the natural color (yellowish) latex as it has a more paint friendly start.

You could also take twine and wrap around the sheet foam over the rope to cause variations in the foam surface, and to also make the vines appear to be twisting.

I might use some kind of rope which would be stronger and the vinyl plasticizer (which often has lead in it) in the hose wouldn't rot the latex.

Maybe mix some sawdust into the latex to texture the vine surface some.

I'd also tint the latex dark brown (use universal tints from paint store) or the darkest color you want any part of your vines to be, and then dry brush lighter colors on top of that.

Alternatively, you can tint them the lightest color of your vines, and then rub-out a darker color in the cracks. Apply paint in all the cracks and crevices and then wipe surface colors off. You can then dry brush other colors on top.

Latex and paints are available at MONSTERMAKERS.COM and other sources.

Acrylic paints don't really stick to latex at all, but if the vines are out of areas where they are going to be touched, you could use acrylic paints to paint the latex. But I'd still base color the latex so no matter what you got some color there.

damon carson
04-10-2010, 03:27 PM
Ya I know you can make them. Everyone on here knows that. But then alot of people claim to know everything as well. Order the catalog they are in there. I've seen people ask this same question more than once. And its always the same answer. Autograph foliage. Buy them, make them do whatever pleases you. But your welcome anyway. Kip even sells them on his site along with weeds and other items. Im sure he gets them from Autograph as well. Go back to the website. Look under vines and bushes. Then click on garlands? But anyway it shows them 6.5' Junglevine Brown A-8406 or A-8402 7' Jungle Vine Brown. Any ?'s heres there number 1-800-659-6151. They dont really have to make anything like that anymore. Were talking the same haunted house right?! The Darkness St. Louis. Mo.
Damon

Front Yard Fright
04-10-2010, 03:48 PM
I remember seeing some vines that looked like pool noodles covered in latex and some sort of fabric while on the tour last year. Part of the latex stuff had come off and a blue pool noodle was sticking out!

Nightmare_Trance
04-10-2010, 04:54 PM
I believe they were hoses with a latex covering. I was acting in the first scene last year with the vines and by the end of the season they were pretty tore up. For the thicker vines it was multiple hoses strapped together.

This was on the hauntworld site.
http://www.hauntworld.com/home_haunting.cfm

scaryguy666
04-10-2010, 10:23 PM
I have seen these vines with my own eyes. They are not waterhoses and pool noodles are to big around. They buy them from a company. They more then likely buy it from Autograph Foilage. Enough said.

Danny

Allen H
04-11-2010, 12:14 AM
Wow, alot of rudeness over some vines and a haunter asking for help. Crazy. Danny I know you are trying to improve your image here and I appreciate that. Whenever you end a post with "enough said" it makes you sound like a dick. Im sure you dont mean to sound that way, but you did.
Maybe Autograph foliage makes their vines from garden hoses, who knows. The post ended with the words "any ideas?" so all answers are valid.

Annarchy,
I saw what you saw, I certainly saw vines that were longer than 7 1/2' which is the longest that autograph seems to sell. I was recently asked about the darkness vines by someone in a PM here is my reply.
I think they are urethane foam insulation rods.
http://www.westernloghomesupply.com/...-per-foot.html
perhaps not this exact brand but this is what they use. I took some photos of them when I did the lights on tour. I really like his vines so I checked them out. The rods come in many sizes and diameters. Once you get some of these you will see how great they are.
They had a skin on them that I think was just latex paint mixed with peatmoss for texture.
He also used some pool noodles the same way. For the really big ones, they must have hit them with a heat gun or hot wire a bit because they were not perfectly round any more and they had the same coating.
I had to do a ton of vines this year for my pumpkin patch. I took a roll of paper towels (the big brown janitor kind no preforations, just one long towel) and twisted them up using spray adhesive, the when that dried I ran them through the peat moss mix and latex paint, they were thinner, but awesome (made to look like pumpkin vines).
You didnt ask but I just saw a killer looking set of fake vines on another forum, I tagged the thread it was so good looking.
(other forum link deleted as it is against HW's policies-PM me for the link)
You didnt ask for the others but if your like me you take all the info you can get.
Good luck with them,
Allen Hopps

spookhaven
04-11-2010, 07:32 AM
Weren't the vine made with garden hose, some appeared to have pipe wrap (like for insulation it's gray) and latex coating on the ones in the que line area? I looked at my pictures and that is what I saw from them.

jakprintsHAUNT
04-11-2010, 07:51 AM
the foam cording that Allen posted a link to would probably work very well and is what I think you refer to as the pipe foam wrap, only those ones were a solid version of it. I think there was a combo of a lot of different stuff in there. Some looked/felt like covered garden house to me as well...which I thought was a great idea, especially if you found some nice cheap or old unusable hoses. Places like Sears replace them on warranty...im sure you might find somewhere that would give stuff like that away.

Also if you dont want to go the DIY route...Creature Corps actually has a really nice line of vines and roots that they can custom tailor for you or you can buy in parts and assemble yourself.

Mike "Pogo" Hach

FEAR ASYLUM
04-11-2010, 08:31 AM
I'm with Allen on this as well i too saw what he saw in the que line there was a part of the vine which had been uncovered and it was indeed green garden hose covered in laytex and peetmoss very cool awesome idea , AND DANNY be Nice boy

scaryguy666
04-11-2010, 09:09 AM
But I honestly think they were from Autograph Foilage. Either way they look pretty cool.

SAWDUST JONES
04-11-2010, 11:44 AM
I stood in front of this scene for a good 20 minutes and it looked like green water hoses. In some cases a couple green water hoses.

That said, I have limited exposure to water hoses, maybe 40 years, and with my 20/20 eyesight, I could have misidentified them.

Punctuating the event, someone else in line at Darkness had really bad gas and was cutting loose on a fairly regular basis. Real room clearers. Except we couldn't clear out.

Beyond that, DARKNESS was fantastic.

SAWDUST JONES
04-11-2010, 12:04 PM
No offense, I went to Autograph Foliage and checked out those vines ... personally, I think you are better off making them yourself, at least the fat ones. I don't know what they charge for those vines, but if it's more than a couple bucks you might as well make your own. It's really not that difficult.

"MINIMUM:Opening order is $250.00 after discount. Reorders: $100.00. Orders under the minimum will be charged a $20.00 service fee."

If you use rope as your base you will have one continuous, strong piece and if you apply sheet foam (maybe even thin carpet foam) and run twine over that to cause variations and striations, and then paper towel and latex it ... you will likely get more for your money than buying these. I'm guessing you will spend more attention on detailing your vines than the poor Chinese or Mexican person who gets to make these vines day in day out as a career.

Autograph foliage did have a lot of other cool items and looks like a good source if their prices are reasonable.

SAWDUST JONES
04-11-2010, 12:50 PM
Where I live, which is not an area where one expects to see vines, I saw these giant, very cool vines wrapped around and climbing trees. They looked like the twisting vines from the original King Kong movie, 2-3 inches thick in parts and I thought I would just cut a bunch down from the woods and use them in a haunt someday. Maybe even silicone mold some so I could reproduce them in urethane foam.

Fortunately, I discovered these vines were actually POISON IVY vines prior to cutting any down. Who knew poison ivy got that big, but it does and they are everywhere.

annarchy
04-11-2010, 03:01 PM
Thank you for all the feedback; many good ideas! For those of you that agreed to seeing garden hose, thumbs up. Allen...you seem like a stand-up guy and always have constructive and positive feedback, thanks! Perhaps sometime we could chat [off] the forum..?
Thanks again Haunters!

Allen H
04-11-2010, 11:32 PM
annarchy,
Im in chat here pretty often and Im always open to talk haunt, I steer clear of topics I dont know much about but Im always willing to learn and share what I know.
Thanks for the kind words, Talk to you soon!
Allen H

drfrightner
04-12-2010, 12:29 AM
Wow... how did I miss this thread?

There are ZILLIONS of vines all over the Darkness we've spent probably 50 to 60,000 on vines over the years. We have made them from scratch and we have bought them. Can we make vines ... yes. Have we ... yes.

Most of the vines now are bought but the ones you guys keep talking about we made ourselves. Some yes are made from a garden hose atleast there is the start of making those vines.

We have bigger vines as well made from something different...

We do buy a lot of stuff from Autograph Foliage. Great company.

Maybe we should do an article for the magazine about vines.

Larry

Jim Warfield
04-12-2010, 09:09 AM
My entire house and property are covered by vines, real ones. I also hollow them out with a laser and use them for garden hose, then somebody buys them and makes vines out of them..I just gotta stop doing this, but it's addictive.

damon carson
04-12-2010, 09:38 AM
LOL! Glad thats settled. Everyone is right. Ha!
Damon

gravenstein
08-17-2010, 07:15 PM
I just had to add my-2-centz since I didn't see one of the key ingredients I use. typically I take 5-7 50ft garden hose as mentioned, take duct tape to bring them together but stem them off into a couple combo's i.e. 7-into a three hose section and two two hose section, ending up with a couple singles at the end, so it not predictable.

Then every so often get like TV "cable" the limp stuff (stop laughing) and cut those into 3ft lengths, placing 2-5 together in groups taped again to the section of hose (vine) your working on, so they look like little vine runners. Then are the end of the "trunk" runs put in like 3-4 groups of cables in the end of each hose, giving it that branching effect over all.

I start with a light coat of latex over everything but here the deal, go buy a roll of "cotton batting" that comes in 1 inch strips all in a big roll, break them off in 16-24 inch links and "latex them" onto the long sections of the garden hose. This breaks up the "hose look after about three good coats you see the hoses now look really like vines. Paint to your taste, green, brown, etc....these come out a lot more line the vines as when you latex the cotton batting onto the hose it shapes to the hose but leaves a very unpredictable pattern much more like a natural vines would although I think more creepy.