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VSneader2
04-18-2010, 04:27 PM
I'm trying to come up with a budget and would like to know what type of wall to build. I have attached a photo showing 4 different methods, what style of wall would be the best. I know # 3 would be the strongest but is it really necessary. I have seen walls built like all shown. Also would 2x2 be strong enough or should we go with 2x3 or 2x4? If you have any other ideas please share.

FEAR ASYLUM
04-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Why not do an 8x8 ft wall.2x2 seems to be the way to go when building haunt walls though

Front Yard Fright
04-18-2010, 06:40 PM
We build our walls with two 48" boards (one on top and bottom), one 45" in the middle, and 93" on each side. I've found this to be the most stable way - but others may object.

As far as 2x2s vs 2x3s or 2x4s, I think it depends on whether your haunt is indoors or outdoors. I personally use 2x4s for my outdoor haunts and 2x3s for the haunt in my garage. I don't think 2x2s give you enough space to put in your screws - but again, others may object on that as well!
:p.

xxxdirk
04-18-2010, 07:47 PM
We use 2x3s with one down the middle going top to bottom compared to going across. I suggest 2x3s because when we have gotten 2x2's from home depot or menards I would say 30% are warped or just junk. I know some will say that you just have to select the boards, but when you are building say 100 walls, that is 400 boards and personally, I just do not have the time or desire to hand pick 400 boards. LOL. As fas as the actual construction, originally, we screwed everything with drivers. But again, if you are doing say 100 walls, that is a lot of battery power and time you will waste. Instead, we now use a nail gun to do the frames and then screw the plywood skins down. If you have the right work stations and the wood precut and the right crew, and the right tunes cranked, you can easily do one wall done every 50 seconds or so...
Hope that helps....

Nightgore
04-18-2010, 07:47 PM
By the picture you attached... I would suggest #2, with 2x3's. 2x4's will make your walls thicker and heavier without adding much more strength than the 2x3's.

Also, on perimeter walls and walls in tight maze areas (high stress)... it'd be wise to add another brace to the middle of the wall... but going vertically up the middle, not horizontally.

When screwing your walls together... BE SURE to make sure EVERYTHING is LEVEL and SQUARE!! Also, we use six screws per joining of two walls... 3 on each. You want the screws to grip the braces from both directions... if you only screw panels together in one direction, they WILL come apart!!

Also, when bracing overhead... DO NOT brace walls that are straight across from each other. Instead, use a longer brace and go to the next wall. You'll see that your forming triangles on top of your haunt... this is the same method trusses use and why they're stronger.

Although you built the walls using 2x3's... use 2x4's for overhead bracing. This will add ALOT of strength to the walls and better support of weight/stress for lights, effects, sound equipment... etc.

Hope this helps. -Tyler

PS: DO NOT USE OSB!!! I know it may be cheaper but it's harder to paint, maintain and not as strong as plywood. Spend the money now and keep from paying more later! USE PLYWOOD!!!

VSneader2
04-19-2010, 05:07 AM
Thanks for the replies so far. whatever way we choose we are going to make a templete first so its just a matter of throwing the boards down and screwing them together. we figure with this method we can knock them out pretty quickly and everything will be square. Would you reccomend 1/4"or 3/8"plywood?

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 08:07 AM
3/8" thick

Darkangel
04-19-2010, 08:18 AM
Nothing wrong with OSB, just use good paint and you';re fine they'll last you for many years inddor or out again use good piant.

2.4's are the way to go, heavier yes but if it's staying up all year why not account for strength. I would use 2x4's even in a temporary setting they are just stronger and when you have sare guests hitting the walls its nice to have the added strength.

DA

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 08:28 AM
OSB has a terrible texture to it. I would only use it in dark mazes or for walls covered in hard coated carved foam or vacuform. I would not use it otherwise. It is really a matter of budget and personal preference but I do disagree with you on the 2x4 vs 2x3.

Darkangel
04-19-2010, 08:38 AM
Kevin,

You prefer 2x3's over 2x4's?

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 08:51 AM
Yes, I prefer 2x3 vs 2x4 - a lot easier for one person to carry a wall. Again its a matter of budget and personal preference. There is no right or wrong way. It is whatever works best for you. For example I believe I read that Gadget prefers 2x4's and 3/4" thich plywood. I've read others use 2x2 and 1/4" luan. I've also used 2x2 with 3/8" plywood without incident. I also prefer to make 4' x 8' modular interlocking walls. I believe Brad from Ultimate Fear builds his using house type construction.

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 09:58 AM
Here are examples of how I build my walls:
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The double sided wall is built the same as the single sided but with plywood on both sides.
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Darkangel
04-19-2010, 11:42 AM
Cool video I like that!

I always braced the middle horizontally, I noticed you brace down the center vertical that would add a lot of weight too I would think?

Thanks,
DA

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 01:53 PM
Like I said, there is no "right" way. It is just the way I do it. :cool:

VSneader2
04-19-2010, 02:07 PM
I'm not sure there is really difference when it comes to strenght with a board horizontally vs vertically in the middle. Or am I wrong? The only difference I can see would be cost as with a vertical board you are looking at (4) 2x4 per wall vs. 3 1/2 if you go horizontal. That half of a board adds up if you are building alot fo walls. We are looking to build about 150 walls to begin with, which would equate to a difference of 75 2x4 (about $200 at the current price) That could be another prop.

MindWerxKMG
04-19-2010, 02:57 PM
I believe it is slightly stronger as there is more frame in contact with the sheathing. With 3/8" sheathing it probably wouldn't make a significant difference but with 1/4" I believe it would.

Rocky Mountain Terror
05-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Speaking of wall pannel systems, I know this question will vary depending on current cost of materials, but how much do you throw into your budget for each single-sided wall pannel and each double-sided wall pannel? I'm just looking for the best way to come up with an educated estimate for my budget. Our haunt will be roughly 4000 Sq/Ft. this first year, and untill I get our location filanized, I can't really get as close to the actual cost as I would like.

Can anyone provide advice, or even a breakdown of cost?

howierd3866
05-30-2010, 08:58 PM
has anyone got a app. weight of what one single side wall is. I'm going to build my walls this year about 100. Have been using wooden pallets but that turns into alot of heavy labor.Then the storage will be my poblem thinking treated wood and then store on a cover trailer till next time.All wood will be completly painted front and back in black paint..will be built with 2x4 like pic 1..thanks Howard

jimmyfish
08-01-2010, 01:09 AM
I have tis large space in a mall, but the walls are dry wall and the ceilings are really high drop ceiling tiles. So there is really nothing to build to.

i have 2x4s and playwood and some panels that have been built.

Am thinking I am going tohave to build a room inside a room so to speak and then brace everythig off that. But it will have ot be strong and have to have doors on each side to enter and exit that room. With not being able to have a 2x4 where the doors are I am thinking that might make it more weak.

Any advice?

Matt Colton
08-01-2010, 04:52 PM
For the Forsaken Crypt garage haunt I used to run we used a frame of 2x4's and a 2x8 board of particle board. Each pannel costed a cheap price of $12.00. A board of ply wood is a few bucks more but this worked very well as we were running on a $600 budget.