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Rachel
02-26-2007, 07:44 PM
I met a bunch of you at TW and thought I'd give out my myspace address so we could stay in better contact after the show :-)

www.myspace.com/exoticdanceinstructor

Always looking to add haunting friends so feel free to post your myspace address too....

Kevin Dells
02-26-2007, 07:59 PM
Racheal,
Just asked for an add request. You"ll find it.

My address is

http://www.myspace.com/63237562

A lot of the pictures are a mix between our haunt and last year on the 1000 miles to Hell Tour!

Turn up the volume on your PC really loud and Hold on for dear life, your entering MY world!

Anyone feel free to add if you can take the insanity!
Enjoy!

Haunted Illinois
02-27-2007, 05:26 AM
Here's mine:

http://www.myspace.com/hauntedillinois

brad
02-27-2007, 03:28 PM
"exoticdanceinstructor"


WOW!! I haven't even looked at it yet, and I'm getting really excited. Where are you from?


I was thinking of becoming a male stripper!! :lol:

Rachel
02-27-2007, 07:37 PM
I'm from VA.

And I have three rules for my classes:

1.) 18 and up
2.) no spectators allowed
3.) I teach women only - no men - sorry :) - there is a video out there for men if you're interested - haha.

There is talk about my offering a seminar on exotic dance at one of the regional haunter tradeshows. Exotic Dance has more to do with haunting than you might think - I teach women to command their presence - how to confront their audience - how to stay in control of the dance - let go of inhibitions - eye contact - know their style, etc. All of those traits can be applied to haunted house acting. :D

brad
02-27-2007, 07:42 PM
Well I wouldn't do it anyways. I've always been the Austin Powers type. I get up on stage, shake my stuff, and I overload the senses of all the girls watching. It's sad to says that that's usually what happens. :D

MDKing
02-27-2007, 08:26 PM
I'm sorry, but I just had to ask about the comment that exotic dancing is related to haunting. To be a better actor in this case a female haunt actor, wouldn't it be better to practice, practice, practice, and take seminars and classes on this method of acting? I would think that's the way to better your skills. Drawing comparisons with haunt acting to stripping makes as much sense as me saying that my ability to play basketball and other sports helps make me better as a haunter and actor. The truth is, the two are mutually exclusive.
Obviously you are very proud of being an exotic dancer, or let's face it, a stripper. Good for you. But remember, what you put out there about yourself will stick around long after you quit, for you family and kids and their friends to see.

Now of course this is my opinion on this subject and realize that this commentary isn't completely about the desired content of this board, but it was indeed posted on this board, again.

Allan

Rachel
02-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Lets get one thing straight right off the bat, Allan. I'm not a stripper - never have been - never want to be. I discovered pole dancing/exotic dancing about a year ago when I was not feeling so great about myself. While I was very fit/thin when I was in my early twenties - marriage - sedentary career - getting older - etc made me a less-than-ideal body weight. I started pole dancing as a form of exercise and while I may have started the dancing as a way to make my husband happy I quickly learned that it had much more to do with myself. I do this for me. I felt good about myself - it taught me let go of some of my inhibitions - that it's ok to feel and be "sexy" - I don't have to be 21 and a size 2 to feel that way. It drives me crazy that people act like exotic dancing/pole dancing is just some lewd form of dance for sex-crazed wanna-be strippers. Not so. And if you had ever taken the time to research the new pole dancing/exotic dance fitness trend or talked to everyday women who have taken these classes you might have a different take on this subject. You are not there when my students say "I couldn't look at myself in the mirror before I took this class." Or "I felt like I was just a mom and not a woman anymore before I took this class." These classes make women feel empowered - it helps their self-esteem. I have never met such wonderful people in all my life - they are so genuine and fun and so supportive (and lets face it - you don't find these qualities in many people anymore).

I am a haunted house actress who went into the field thinking I could never do it. I was under the assumption, like I think many people are, that women just can't be scary as our male counterparts. Again, not true. Female actresses can be just as powereful and scary as the male coutnerparts. Do I think my experience with exotic dance has helped me push myself further as a haunt actress - d*mn straight. I understand the importance of how I confront my audience - I understand the power of my eye contact - my body language - frankly, I understand myself better. Knowledge is power - it has made me feel more confident about myself - feeling more confident in life equals a more confident - commanding actress. Exotic dancing is a performance - so is haunted house acting. If I can get up in front of 50 exotic dance students and a male camera crew to tape a performance could I then get up and act in a haunt? Uh Yeah, piece of cake.

I don't do anything I'm ashamed of. My family knows about the classes I teach. My husband supports me. I don't have kids, but I know many instructors who do have them.

There are many people out there who would call what we (haunters) do "devil worshiping" or "evil" or compare us to murdering animal-sacrficing heathens. We know better. I think many of us find many other haunters to be genuine, supportive people. I think we'd tell people who felt the need to judge us to try it or get to know us better before stereotyping us. To be frank, I'd go down in flames defending both haunters and those who chose to explore the art of exotic dance through classes. Autonomy at it's highest - to people in both industries - rock on.

MDKing
02-27-2007, 09:47 PM
Rachel,

I can appreciate your thoughts and am glad that you feel better about yourself. But without sounding like the paragon of virtue, I personally don't think that pole dancing is a respectable way of gaining self interest and an outlet for gaining real empowerment. Empowerment is gained through moral channels, working hard and studying while advancing one's self in education and in business, and with smart decisions. I would also find it very difficult to feel not an extreme level of discomfort when telling certain people I was a pole dancer, the least of which my priest or other religious or community leader.

I'm all for feeling good about yourself. I'm not necessarily judging you but the whole pole dancing thing. You are scantily clad even in the classes, so it's just a few articles more of clothing than a stripper. Pole dancing is a fancy term for stripping. Dancing is dancing, like the kinds you see on the show " So you think you can dance". But having to stand up in front of usually desperate onlookers sizing you up like a piece of meat is not empowering in any way, because having power over them is no real accomplishment. Oprah Winfrey, Martha Stewart, Katie Couric, are just a few samples of very powerful women who are truly empowered and not by taking their clothes off and relying on their sexuality and appearances. It's easy for women to seduce most men, there's no real challenge in that. The women I mentioned were intelligent, ambitious women and worked hard to be successful!

Anyway, this is my opinions and is not really haunt related. To bring it back to haunt acting, I've seen some exellent female actors. DreamReapers has many good ones while at thier show this past weekend. If you want to be good at acting or anything you have to work at it and want to be good at it. It doesn't matter if you are a male or female just go out there and make it happen and take pride in your work.

Rachel
02-27-2007, 10:14 PM
MDKing - I personally don't respect anyone's opinions on pole dancing or exotic dancing unless they've tried it or at the very least taken some time to talk to women who have experienced it. I'm assuming you aren't a woman as well - so you really wouldn't know what it would take to empower us or how age, weight, kids, marriage can effect us. You may think that women seducing men is "easy" - but again, you truly don't understand the nature of the dance because it isn't about seducing men. You don't seem to understand that we don't do this for men - we do it for ourselves. There are no men in class - who would we be seducing?

I'm sorry you don't think I'm successful or "moral" for that matter. I own my own business - I'm in my twenties. The classes I teach sell out - fill up - every time. I drive a BMW - live in a nice house - I'm married. I do animal rescue. I have worked/volunteered with pregnant teens. My husband is a social worker - works with foster kids. We're both college graduates - with honors. And unike your example of a successful woman, Martha Stewart, I've never been to prison or been arrested.

I don't believe in throwing stones at glass houses. Do you feel extreme discomfort in telling your religious leaders that you run a haunt? I hope not. We all do what we believe in. Would I dare say to you that running a haunt doesn't make you successful? Hell no. You realize some people judge haunters - the same way you are judging me - with out the knowledge to do so. These people don't know their heads from their A$$ but they drone on about how evil we are nonetheless. They think you don't have morals simply because you celebrate Halloween. How shallow.

In conclusion, I'll call the International Pole Dancing Federation and tell them that pole dancing isn't dancing like it is on "So you think you can dance" (great analogy by the way) according to this guy on a haunt forum. They'll probably agree with you - pole dancing is harder.

So anyway, I just finished teaching so I better remove my "scantily clad" clothes (tank top and yoga pants), go remove my diploma from the wall since I'm not successful, check out that show "So you think you can dance" and strive to be more like Oprah Winfrey. Now where did I put my bible....

maverick005
02-27-2007, 10:54 PM
ok ok ok....i have to put in a few things here....
first off, sex sells...and when we think of sex what do we think of...woman...woman are the powerhouses of sex...and i will stop at that so i dont get to far off topic....
point number two...pole dancing and exotic dancing is one hell of a work out...men typically dont do get a chance to try it because of some stupid masculine BS and the fact that it is considered fem...let em tell you something...i have tried it and i would challenge any man who thinks he is in shape to get on a pole for 2 songs and dance and do what rachel and others who dance do...it will smoke you...it takes a lot of flexability and strength to do what they do, and look graceful and feminine while doing it is extremely difficult (more so than those pigskin toting retards need to run up and down a gridiron)
point three...i have traveled around a lot of haunts these past few years...and there is a definate imbalance of female lead characters in the queue lines...why that is i dont know...but if it is self confidence then why stop someone from trying to use a tool like dancing to help build self confidence...
as far as morality is concerned...i know rachel personally...and she is has a very good moral compass...why is it we would look at someone that pole dances for either fun, excercise, or profit as a moraly depraved person..when in fact the there are others out there that do far worse and are for some reason granted immunity..hmm...like politicians (presidents, congressmen, and senators), sports superstars, and rockstars...i am gonna go out on a limb for a second and say that they take advantage of the sexual double standard...men can do sexual things all day long and not be prosecuted for it...however women become sluts, whores and homewreckers as soon as they show off what they got...
well i am done with my little rant...i hope we can all just sit back for a few digest these words...i am sure there are those out there on my side and those that are not...but lets be honest here, arent we all judged and considered outsiders by the general mainstream public...lets not judge those inside our clutch...we are all on the island of misfit toys, lets not start playing "survivor" and kick people off because they dont fit in...

todd
ps...granny kicks butt on the pole

Nightmaretony
02-28-2007, 12:08 AM
My own 2 cents:

Dancing requires being able to project charisma. That is a common denominator with acting, comedy, haunt monsters, or anything requiring a person to use their talents to entertain.

There is an entire world of difference from a dancer who can use charisma and skills to give a pleasing show, compared to a movie star looking bombshell who merely strips down without an ounce of talent.

It is the same thing we teach our actors, a simple boo or yell is a low common denominator and will fail to entertain, tis a cheap shot, as it were. A GOOD monster will use their talents and charisma to draw in the customers and entertain them.

Your best actors who are able to use charisma can very well do their job with no masks or makeup whatsoever and still be entertaining and frightning by the use of their charisma and projecting their character to the customers.

Rachel, what do you think about making a dance video stressing the points above I mentioned?

Jim Warfield
02-28-2007, 12:49 AM
I do a pole dance for almost every tour that I put through my house. None of the customers get to see it though since it happens in a very small , dark space, I slide around the pole and I'm suddenly on the first floor!?
I began on the second floor.
Then I am ahead of the tour, waiting to scare them again.

maverick005
02-28-2007, 07:37 AM
and for the record....i realy hate sensorship...especially when i am sensored for typing a word that isnt bad at all and is totally taken out of context...i mean if it werent for s3x none of us would be here...lol

todd

Jim Warfield
02-28-2007, 08:15 AM
That "3" in the middle opens up some new possibilitys doesn't it?
Not really though I hate buying new furniture. Our bed is big enough for the two of us.

MDKing
02-28-2007, 08:51 AM
Rachel and others,

I guess we just have a difference of opinion. Running a successful business in my 20's, graduation college with honors, driving a nice car, I got all that too. I don't believe in politically correct BS and sugar coating things to pacify people. If it's wrong, guess what, it's wrong. I hear from some people who say things like "Oh I don't do drugs, all I do is smoke weed from time to time". Are people really that lame that they don't think it's wrong, illegal, and pathetic?

When I feel I need to feel better about myself, I step up exercises, lift weights, run miles a day, and play competitive sports and most of all improve my diet. This makes me feel good, and no one out there would so much as question these methods as unsavory.

Rachel, I'm really glad you feel good about yourself by whatever means, really. If you feel that pole dancing is a healthy means of offering you what you need to be balanced that's your world, not mine.

Maverick005, you have to be joking when you say that pole dancing is as tough as playing football. Pole dancing is hard for non athletes, just as running would be. When you are a pro athlete conditioned well, pole dancing would not offer much. There's no running, no jumping and cardio stress. Spinning on a pole and hanging upside down would be about the extent of anything strenuous.

In any case, I am probably in the minority with my opinions on here, or most places for that matter. If you're happy and not hurting anyone, keep doing what you're doing!

Peace,
Allan

Frighteners Entertainment
02-28-2007, 08:54 AM
To a very beautiful slab of meat, bring on the pole! :lol:

Rachel
02-28-2007, 11:45 AM
Words like "Wrong" and "Immoral" are so subjective. Some would say running a haunt is "wrong" or "immoral" and we feel different. This is what's wrong with society - these blanket generalizations and the feeling that we are "above" others simply because we have chosen different paths in life.

I may pole dance but I have enough compassion and respect for others that I would never get on a forum and call someone immoral and unsuccessful for one hobby that person may have. Besides, getting on a soap box in a forum isn't so hard after all. You don't have to "face" the ones you are insulting.

I'm going on record as saying that pole dancing is an extreme form of exercising. Seriously, the gym I got to has told me they don't have a piece of equipment to replicate what I do. If you think you can climb up a 14 foot pole - invert - and then let go with both hands and one leg then I want to see it! Not carido - no jumping? You obviously haven't tried it. I've lost 30 lbs and 3 dress sizes doing it.

Tony - I have always thought about filming a dance video incorporating my love for Halloween/darkside of life. I'm filming two videos in early March - but I barely have time to finish those out much less add another one this go round. Maybe the spring session.

Jeff - anything for you baby! :wink:

And to those of you who have emailed me, private messaged me, or called me today to say you support me and what I do - thank you. So many of you all are great and I appreciate it.

Greg Chrise
02-28-2007, 12:08 PM
Two words Chiro Practor.

A portion of the proceeds from my charity haunted house benefit retired strippers with bad backs. They need chiropractors, smoke lots of cigarettes and make emergency phone calls for more gum. Please support our cause.

click on this link to DONATE

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=Ghaunt1313%40aol%2ecom&no_shipping=2&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=USD&lc=US&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF&charset=UTF%2d8

Dan Faupel
02-28-2007, 12:41 PM
Was great hangin with you again girl!...the Pashur painting on you Sunday night was very cool...bummer that I didn't get to see you demo your dancing skills!

I'm already your friend, but anybody from here who hasn't friended me yet can find me in the link in my signature line below...for those who were asking me about Rock Monster's page, you can find him in my top friends...

MDKing
02-28-2007, 02:15 PM
Rachel,

For the record I went back through my responses and found no statement regarding you as unsuccessful. Like I said in the PM, I respect you for being and running a haunt as I do all haunters, but I don't particularly have much respect for your hobby. Let's agree to disagree! I also thank those that responded to me with support and your opinions!

Allan

Rachel
02-28-2007, 03:25 PM
You pretty much implied I wasn't successful or moral. You told me to strive to be more like Oprah Winfrey and Martha Stewart who made it to the top by their ambitions. (By the way, Oprah has featured pole dancing on her show :shock: ).

At any rate, I am going to go get a drink (I'm sorry, is drinking bad too?) and sling around the pole for a bit. I hope no one ever attacks your character because of your "hobby."

If you are interested I would recommend you take the three minutes to watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msy7TtyAVIc

This isn't me (wish it was!) and I think what this woman can do with a pole is equivalent to gymnastics and ballet - she's beautiful.

At any rate, thanks to everyone who has added me regardless of my pole dancing "Vice" - it's great to make new haunting friends.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming....

MDKing
02-28-2007, 03:54 PM
I watched your video...strong girl!

Thanks, and for the record I don't drink either :P

Let's keep this on PM from here on out if it must go on. Let's get back to talking shop here!

Allan

Rachel
02-28-2007, 04:20 PM
Thanks, and for the record I don't drink either :P

Allan

Well, I guess I need to work on being as perfect as you....maybe we all do.

xxxdirk
02-28-2007, 04:48 PM
JW wrote:

I do a pole dance for almost every tour that I put through my house. None of the customers get to see it though since it happens in a very small , dark space, I slide around the pole and I'm suddenly on the first floor!?
I began on the second floor.
Then I am ahead of the tour, waiting to scare them again.

EWW Bad visual image as I was watching that girl. All I could picture of Jim Warfield doing those moves. God, better go kiss the wife quick to get that image out of my mind!

Barry
02-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Wow, this thread took an unexpected turn very quickly. A couple of points I would like to make:

1. I think any haunt actor pulls from a variety of sources to make themselves better. For Ron it is magic, for Rachel it is dancing. Whatever it is, if it makes you better then go for it.

2. Allen, I too used to lump all exotic dancers into the the same category as you have. Rachel has taught me that this is not the case. The Tango can be very "exotic" and suggestive but it is used in dance competitions. Heck, if we go back far enough we were told to keep a certain distance between ourselves at a school dance so we weren't being to suggestive.

3. There is a moral line with everything, it is simply a matter of where you choose to place it. If there is one thing that my relatively short time in the haunt industry has taught me, it is to not make moral judgements to quickly. I have met some people who look/act/dress in ways that I would never consider myself, but I found these people to be absolutely wonderful human beings with viewpoints and morals similar to my own. For those that differ too much, I respect them for being in our industry and wish them well. That is all I can do.

Either way, this thread has been a good read and very thought provoking. Personally, I think we need more converstations like these.

Barry

Rachel
02-28-2007, 05:13 PM
LOL!

I forgot that Jim pole dances in his haunt! Jim! That's terrible - corrupting your patrons like that! I can just see you flipping upside down on the pole and spinning down it....weeee!

MDKing
02-28-2007, 05:52 PM
Well said Barry. I hope that folks can find something tactful from all the mess. The problem though with such threads is that sometimes people come off a little differently than they usually are. Ragardless of this I think it's important for anyone to voice their opinions and thoughts. I have an opinion on the subject matter and expressed it, but the last thing I want to do is hurt someone's feelings and I hope through our PM's this is understood.

lurker
02-28-2007, 07:10 PM
Come on! PMs are no fair! It was just getting interesting. :twisted:

MDKing
02-28-2007, 07:12 PM
Fanning the flames.... :twisted:

xxxdirk
02-28-2007, 07:33 PM
Imagine walking into one of Jims rooms and there he is dancing around his pole like you do Rachel as Mr Tux sits on a chair watching, sipping a milk martini. Holding a $5 bill :D

Gore Galore
02-28-2007, 07:49 PM
ouch,
I have a headache.
Live and let live.
Jim,
Please just keep your clothes on when pole dancing.

But, uh, thanks for the visual.

Rachel
02-28-2007, 07:52 PM
Cats, martinis, and a pole - sounds like my house. My cats don't tip me while I dance though - they trip me. Big difference. :D

Louis (lurker), you have an inside track - but I can think of one haunted house we probably shouldn't visit on the rare occasion we are closed :shock: I hope I'm worth all the trouble I cause....:-)

BTW he didn't plug the haunted house's myspace page (no references to pole dancing) :

www.myspace.com/darkwoodmanor

Kevin Dells
02-28-2007, 08:59 PM
Interesting topic and i find it funny because just as Racheal said when i tell people i build haunts for a hobby they give me that dog just died look.

Sadist,barbarrac, evil all come to mind as i look at their blank resonse.

I could definetly see how pole dancing or any dancing for that fact could help do a couple of things. As stated it most definetly build confidence and charisma, make a person more theatrical through grace of body language.

Ever been to a seminar where the person speaking has no clue how to speak, just boring dribble. No personality, maybe just reading note cards to an audience?
How about a really great seminar where the speaker is energetic, looks right and left and address's the whole crowd, throws in a joke every now and then to lighten the mood, this guy has confidence he can talk to 10,000 people and not break a sweat.

Its all confidence,knowing your bigger than them, and how you portray yourelf to them. Done correctly you get the scare!

For the record, Racheal Friday night i believe you had a black skirt on with a tan halter top and looked Marvelous!!!! You had so much charisma going you made me to nervous to walk up and introduce myself

Stay on the pole,Its Working! :shock:

Greg Chrise
02-28-2007, 09:04 PM
There is kind of an Oxy Moron going on here....discussions of morality and boundries and perceptions evolving around Myspace?

lurker
02-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Rachel,
You are no trouble. You're a great asset, and if exotic dancing helps acting ability, even in the slightest of ways, please feel free to teach all the 18+ girls how to spin around that pole.

Rachel
02-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Kevin - I was wearing a pleated plaid skirt and a black leather halter top - but I did speak with you. I have a strange urge to wear hats when I'm drunk (I should carry an emergency drunk hat with me at all times) so I wanted to wear your pink hat. But you said no :( Something about it would mess up your hair.....;-)

Lurker - thanks. Next actors meeting can be at my house - the activity can be pole dancing and afterwards we can drink, cuss and be cool (inside joke).