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drfrightner
03-01-2007, 07:12 PM
What did you think of the new hauntworld dvd? Did you like it? What was better, worse? Should we make another one? How does it rank vs others we've done.

Let us know.

Larry

mindtumor
03-02-2007, 07:19 AM
I thought it was really good. I enjoyed the Darkness segments with John Ives running around, I thought they were funny. Definately do another one!

gadget-evilusions
03-02-2007, 07:42 AM
It was the first Hauntworld DVD I had ever bought. I was kind of dissappointed in the quality of the footage and the inconsistency in the way it was shot. Pirates of Emerson and Haunted Overload had the best produced pieces. Ben did a fairly good job, but I wish he hadnt cut it short like he said he did. I would have rather had a more in detail look. It wasnt horrible, but I am picky, my girlfriend is a professional video producer and editor, so my standards are kind of set high.

damon carson
03-02-2007, 09:46 AM
I liked the video but you have put together better ones. This one was funny with the John segments but they got a little old as the video went on. Great footage of Darkness and Netherworld other than really fast camera work by Ben in the Haunt footage. Not enough Dr. Lady spread thru like most H.W. vids. Great 13th gate and Haunted Overload segment. More like Audio overload on H.Overload when it comes on. That scream is 3 times as loud as the rest of the Dvd. All and all though good job. Just some things that were good and not so good. But overall I liked it.
Damon

mindtumor
03-02-2007, 09:50 AM
I really liked all of the footage, I didn't think there was too much of the John sketches. It be cool if you kind of worked that into all of the future videos a little bit. The haunt overload segment was loud, but I thought the rest of the video was great.

ClusterOne
03-02-2007, 11:05 AM
I really enjoyed the majority of the footage, but I am still amazed at the lack of production quality. Audio all over the place, camera work lacking professionalism, honestly I am not quite sure why these videos are twice the price of most of the videos out there...

Not trying to be harsh, but the quality of everything Halloween Productions does is amazing, these videos just seem lacking for some reason. But yes, I will continue to buy them if more are made.

Speculo
03-02-2007, 11:22 AM
Sorry if you didn't like the whipping shots, it was actually with intent. I could talk for two weeks about all the stuff in there, and I only had time to do this in one take. So rather than have a hundred cuts, I choose to zip to the items in a scene I wanted to linger on, and save cuts for bigger transitions.

Normally I am very reluctant to show "lights on" ...its not how it was meant to be seen, so if I saw something in my lense I didn't like the look of in house light or didn't have time to discuss I am sure I tore away from it quickly.

I actually could have produced the heck out of this, I was in TV for 18 years, and have emmy nominations and such, but this was exactly what you saw, a one take, unedited, unlit, handheld, camcorder tour of a good chunk of one of our 2006 shows- CURSED.

Now if you really want to see something interesting, HAUNTED MEDIA came out last season and shot the show around Friday the 13th. That issue should come out hopefully around this Halloween. They had real equipment and took a long time shooting. The quality should be great! You will see it all, The crowds, the actors, the make-up, etc.

They used a bunch of new tricks on this one and told me they got the best scare footage they have ever seen.

I like sets and props and animations, but really haunted houses are a stage for the actors. Hopefully the HAUNTED MEDIA DVD show that.

Sorry for the upset stomach! As they say if you can't scare em or make em laugh, go for the gross out!

Thanks!

Ben Armstrong
NETHERWORLD

drfrightner
03-02-2007, 11:31 AM
Cluster,

One of the reason for the difference in quality thoughout the tape is that we feature haunts from footage sent to us by other haunters. We did not shoot all this video...had we gone out and shoot the video from one place to another it would be all the same.

Speaking of bad footage, Dr. Lady sends his footage in on VHS, and it was a dup on top of it and was very grainy. We called asked for a new one, and he did in fact send a new one, but it was too late to replace the footage if we are to get them copied on time. We will replace the footage for the next time we dup videos but not this time.

The thing about our videos is more the content, not production value. When you compare a Hauntworld video especially this last one to say another one you may have bought, which one had better information or content? If you thought ours, the production value of each segement doesn't really matter. Does it?

Lastly, we don't sell many of these videos believe it or not, they really don't make the kind of money people think they do. You can't go out and hire professional crews to make them otherwise you'll really be doing them to lose money.

Many people do not know this but I was in television for a while, producing television shows, and I've sold a couple scripts to Lion's Gate Films. If you watch the Dark Rider DVD you'll see some AWESOME produced segments on our attractions. Specifically the Tombstone Ghost and Legends Tour... I produced that segement. I still feel to this day thats the most professional looking segment on the DVD. Either way, one of these days and SOON... I'm going to produce a Hauntworld Video that would be promoted to consumers and marketed to spencers and the like. WHen I do you'll see a major difference.

Am I defended the production quality NO NOT AT ALL... because its not that bad now, and its really more about the CONTENT not production.

Did you like the content? Did you think the content was of use to your ATTRACTION? If it was it was worth every penny! Anyway I hear what you're saying and now hope you understand some of the background here.

Thanks
Larry

damon carson
03-02-2007, 11:37 AM
Believe me it was worth every minute I love it when you show your haunt on H.W!!! Even though its made me a little dizzy from watching some of it your haunt is amazing and filled to the brim with detail. I would love to visit sometime! Great job!
Damon

MDKing
03-02-2007, 11:53 AM
The quality of the footage for this type of video should be secondary, since it wasn't intended to be a showcase for producing skills rather showing off great haunts. When Netherworld, The Darkness, and Pirates of Emerson and others send in footage, regardless of how the video quality looks, it's going to be under priced! These haunts inspire, and I've learned a lot from them in previous movies, and I'm really looking forward to seeing this one.

Allan

wickedondvd
03-02-2007, 06:44 PM
Let’s be honest here… People now a day expect things to be of high quality or at least in line with the price they paid. Now some of you here own very extensively detailed haunted attractions, which you have put a lot of heart, sweat, and most of all MONEY into. I would think you all charge accordingly to the QUALITY of the product you’re selling. It really doesn’t matter if it is a walk through attraction or a DVD.

Larry you charge a certain amount of money to enter your attractions because they are high in quality, detail, and entertaining. To say, well it really doesn’t matter about the quality its all about the content… well perhaps than you should write a book. I agree a lot of your content is great, but you’re dealing in a visual medium where people want to look at eye candy. I would be the first on line to buy a book with some great content… I got Kel’s book as soon as it came out. However certain things like cell phones going off in the background, audio all over the place, quirky or rocky camera work, just add to how unprofessional the videos are.

You really don’t need a “crew” of professionals to make a high quality DVD in today’s high tech world. Hire one person who went to film school who knows how to shoot and edit, and I guarantee you will see a huge difference in the output. Not only will you see a difference in the quality you might even sell more copies because of it. Film making just like set design, set construction, prop making, and everything else that goes into creating a haunted attraction is an ART FORM. If it was not an art form then every 13 yr old kid on youtube would be raking in the big bucks shooting for Hollywood. I don’t mean to come off as rude or knocking you, but just because someone writes scripts or produces a show, does not mean they can edit or operate a camera in a manner in which the final product will look professional.

You say you don’t sell a lot of the hauntworld videos. Well you’re selling the last one for $35.00. You have to sell at least 20 copies or it wouldn’t make much business or even practical sense to ever make another one. That’s $700 dollars right there! More then enough to invest in a lav microphone so we can hear you, or a decent tripod, or a higher quality camera. I am sure there are even college kids or ones who are just graduating that have experience and talent editing film that would love to work on one your videos for $700. Looking at the credits of your video, you don’t pay anyone anything… It looks like everything is done in house, by you or Jim. Just putting 700 towards a Mac would up your production value by %100…

Another example is the Hauntworld magazine. You put text on backgrounds that are so busy it’s almost impossible to read the article. Why not hire someone like haunted attraction magazine does, that knows what they are doing so when their mag goes to print, they know you will be able to read it! Such things as these in an industry magazine baffle me. Maybe you need to spread the wealth a little bit, sacrifice a bit of your profit to make a better product for all.

Perhaps it’s just me and my lack of patience for anything that looks like it was shot on a home video camera without a tripod. I am in no way saying you should stop making hauntworld… the content has been at least good and sometimes great in many of these videos. I guess the point I am trying to make with this huge rant is “Getting what you pay for doesn’t apply here.” $35.00 dollars does not get you the quality I think it should get you. I would have to suggest the prices on these videos come down, because I would not pay 35 dollars to go into a haunt with black walls and no actors, and that seems to be the quality you’re getting with these videos.

MDKing
03-02-2007, 06:50 PM
$35 dollars is nothing! I just watched mine, could be worth hundreds or thousands to me for ideas alone.

Allan

mindtumor
03-02-2007, 07:43 PM
The videos are fine. I can't believe this is getting complained about so much. The camera is shaky because people are walking through their attractions filming it. Who cares if a cell phone rings on camera while Larry is talking, I don't. I own almost all of the hauntworld videos and never once have I said to myself "Gee I sure wish I hadn't bought this because someone in the background is making noise." I think the haunt footage is good and the information that is given out is worth the price of the video alone. And as far as the magazine goes, I have a copy of hauntworld issue #15 right here in my hand and I am not having a bit of trouble reading any of the articles.

mindtumor
03-02-2007, 07:49 PM
I don't know why Larry would want to hire haunted attraction magazine to lay out hauntworld. I have a copy of Hauntworld #15 here in my hand and an issue of haunted attraction magazine that is only a couple of issues old, Hauntworld #15 is layed out way better than the haunted attraction magazine. Maybe in the very begining of hauntworld magazine, haunted attraction was layed out better, but the last 2 or 3 issues of hauntworld have had great layouts. I am not knocking haunted attraction but its definately not better than hauntworld.

wickedondvd
03-02-2007, 07:54 PM
Perhaps my words did not come across like i meant them:

What i meant to say why not hire someone LIKE haunted attraction magazine does... not hire HAM themselves, but hire someone like they do for their magazine.

mindtumor
03-02-2007, 08:07 PM
Perhaps my words did not come across like i meant them:

What i meant to say why not hire someone LIKE haunted attraction magazine does... not hire HAM themselves, but hire someone like they do for their magazine.

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I respect what you are saying and understand where you are coming from. I guess I just feel that 30 dollars is worth paying for these dvds because I have learned a lot from them.

drfrightner
03-03-2007, 01:49 AM
Wicked,

First and foremost I wouldn't ever hire some crew to do my magazine or my videos... especially HAM. I saw the last HAM magazine, and thought the cover was very amature. I will say for once I thought his content was a lot better than previous magazines. Good for him! But do I judge the book by its cover? The cover to this latest HAM looked horrible, but his content was much better than the cover implied and much better than previous magazine. I did notice however he was copying some articles we've done in the past. But he's done that before so whats new.

Lets say I did hire some camera crew to shoot the videos... are you prepared to pay say $100.00 or $200.00 for the DVD? You know if I was making these things for mass audience you could do that, but I'm only marketing these to haunters.

I might have sold 80 copies at the show, and maybe another 20 through our website so far... wow 100 copies total! Thats earth shattering isn't it. If you can add that up we're talking about $3,500.00 total if that... I know we're not up to 100 yet but we should be soon. It costs about $5.00 or so to dup each dvd and cover.

Maybe you should look into buying a booth at TW and see what that runs... should you include costs to market a DVD in the cost to resell? If thats the case I can already tell you I lost a ton of money! LOL

I don't produce the videos to win an academy award, I produce them to educate, share information in a very affordable way. You paying $35.00 for a DVD nearly 2 hours long with awesome idea's and footage is highway robbery! Since you brought up HAM, he charges $2,500.00 to get what I would call very bad advice. You're buying this video and getting great visuals, great information, and seeing stuff that would cost you hundreds to see if you bought plane tickets, hotels, and tickets to the haunts themselves, and you WOULD NOT go home with a lights on video tour would ya?

No you wouldn't.

As for the skaky camera...dude seriously! It was a lights on tour, with us holding the camera and walking through the attraction. What did you expect... you don't use a tripod for that! LOL

ANyway everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I think most people don't agree with yours. Its opinions like these that drive people from ever producing videos for anyone.

Personally I thought the new Hauntworld Video was one of the best we've done!!! I loved it! I watched it from start to finish the other day with Rich Strelak. He loved it as well.

To each their own!

For $35.00 for two hours of rock solid video and info I don't see how you can go wrong... I think most would agree I might be worth every penny if I consulted someone on their haunt. I wouldn't do it for $35.00 I can tell you that!!! I try to do a lot of that stuff for FREE through the website or for a very minimal charge via magazine or video.

If you didn't like the content you tell me what you didn't like about it... I'd like to hear!

Larry

ClusterOne
03-03-2007, 01:55 AM
Larry asked what we thought of the DVD, that is what I gave him, my thoughts. I do respect his knowledge on many subjects, but I don't agree on everything. (Larry, I thought your seminar at TW this year was my favorite, it was the one I found to be the most helpfull, and entertaining.)

When I see the level of quality on things like the computer animation he sells, the haunt he runs, and the web sites we all use every day...I just expect more quality from the videos I guess.

When I first got the whole set of DVD's, I started watching them and said to my wife (who just spent over $300 on them) "I'm sure they get better at making them as we get farther into them, this first one was about 10 years ago." But as we continued to watch them they really never improved much.

Was it worth the $300? Hell yeah, the info has been amazing! Who knows how much all that info is worth, in mistakes I won't make now that I know better.

But sometimes I have to close my eyes and just listen becuse I can't bear to watch the camera man twisting and turning the camera up the interviewee's nose while he/she is trying to have a serious discussion. Sometimes you can see it in their eyes, thinking 'am I supposed to keep talking while the camera is doing this'

And I have to agree about the magazine, the background can make it quite hard to read at times. And sometimes there are these wierd font changes in the middle of a paragraph...always takes me out of the writing for a bit. Silly little complaint, but also very easy to fix.

RJ Productions
03-03-2007, 01:55 AM
If these DVD's were produced for mass distributionthen I'd have to agree with Wickedondvd, but we are talking about a very limited release to a specific market and when Larry states content he means it literally. What has always been utmost is the content, show haunts across the country, haunts most of us will never have the oppurtunity to visit in person and intersperse it with tips and info add some humor (or attempt at humor!) and you have a Hauntworld DVD!! To that end it is extremely successful.

$35 wouldn't even cover the entrance fee to the haunts, much less the cost of getting there. A backstage lights on walk through Netherworld is something that is not even available period!!! So what is the value of that one segment??????

Many of the people submitiing footage do so as a "favor" to the industry. To expect them to hire someone and do a more professional shoot requires time and money. So that means Ben would have to charge a good buck to Larry to cover cost and Larry in turn would have to raise the price of the video to cover HIS cost.

Personally I'll keep the $35 price point and "suffer" through a shaking segment!!

Thanks Ben and everyone who submitting footage, we appreciate the effort!

Rich

drfrightner
03-03-2007, 02:05 AM
Cluster,

No I appreciate your comments, don't get me wrong. I'm just letting you know that most of the content for these videos have been provided by the haunts themselves. If someone likes the camera or not, it really boils down to did the content help your business.

I produce the videos to help people, not to make money. The videos have helped me and I get emails, cards and letters all the time thanking us for making them. We're only trying to make a difference.

I can't control the footage I get, I personally don't judge it by camera technique, I judge it by content. I remember one video sent in to me by Randy Bates, the camera action was well something to be desired, but it was understandable, he was SHOWING US how he scares people on his hayride.

Was the camera action good, maybe not so much, but was the content some of the best I've ever seen? YES IT WAS! He sent us content to HELP his fellow haunters, and that shaky camera action was almost unavoidable when you want to show someone how its done.

I think we all owe Randy Bates a thank you for that footage...he has no motivation to help anyone! Same goes for lights on tours to whatever.

I just wanted you to understand the background here and motivation.

The Hauntworld videos are about CONTENT!

So you liked the content!!! Then we did our job!

One of these days and one of these days soon, I'm going to produce a retail version of Hauntworld the Movie. You'll see...

Larry