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OblivionHauntedHouse
10-27-2010, 11:12 AM
Does anyone else have issues like this? How do you deal with it?

We have spent months battling constant abuse, pranks and name calling from the other 'local' haunted house. Last night, myself and some of my crew were enjoying dinner and some time at the mall and were constantly being 'bullied' by 3 actors from the Burial Chamber wearing their 'garb.' They called out to us each and every time they saw us - screaming "Burial Chamber is Better!" or "OBLIVION SUCKS!" Of course, we were the bigger guy and had said nothing in return.



Recently, I spoke to the ower regarding other issues (posters being ripped down and our stacks of cards/coupons being thrown away at local businesses who had given us permission to hand them out.) As we spoke, he mentioned "I would support you more if you werent 5 minutes away from my event." Frankly - I think that is ridiculous.



When you exit our haunt, you exit through our gift shop where we display every other local haunt's posters that had been given to us. We also have our staff distribute their coupons and offer directions to their events. We have sent numerous people to Greenbay Fear, Splatter Haus, Haunted High, Terror on the Fox, The Morgue and YES, EVEN The Burial Chamber!



Our theory is that the more quality events there are in one location - the more people will come to that area for the attractions.We also beleive that if they have gone through our event already, why not benefit the industry in full and send them somwhere else!



Yes we are all proud of our events. Yes we all think that our events are the best. We personally LOVE Splatter haus for their unique scares, insane sound system and are continually jealous of their engineering abilities to scare the crap out of people. We will never be a 'Splatter Haus'. We ADORE 'Terror on the Fox' for the FULL quality of their show that they produce. From the time you park to the time you exit - you are entertained. We will never have a train or the ambiance of their event. We envy that! We will never be a 'Haunted High' with their ALREADY creepy ass abandoned high school and sheer masive-ness of their event.



I really wish some haunts would take pride in what they do and realize that we are all quality, different events. If we were all the same, what fun would it be. Also - don't go out in public shouting that your event is better, especially when you are wearing your merchandise. Not only does it display a bad image for the very event you are 'defending', but It makes YOU look like a childish ass. We will never take any action like that toward another haunt in our community. A little harmless rivalry is fun, but enough with the bullshit.

chuck weber
10-27-2010, 11:24 AM
They just want to get under your skin because their place sucks, (and they know it) and they are child-like and insecure. Don't fall prey to their kiddy antics! You're better and more mature than that. Don't say anything bad about them. People will just try to stir the pot to see what you'll say. I had a successful dj business for 34 years. I was shambled, ridiculed, bad mouthed by all of the local supposed competition. I just ignored it. Never responded to it. I knew i had all of the good gigs that paid big bucks because i was secure in my work and had the best equipment money could buy and knew what i was doing. Forget those a-holes! I have not been to your haunt, but i can tell by your photos that your place rocks !!!!! I put up with that crap for 34 years. I have alot of experience dealing with a-holes in the dj business. Just go about your business and channel your positive energies there. (as far as i can see, you allready have.) There will always be people like that. Anytime you deal with the public, your gonna have to deal with it. You can't please everybody. Just do your best and more importantly, don't let those idiots bother you. It may be tough, but just forget about it. Remember, you are # 1!!!!

OblivionHauntedHouse
10-27-2010, 11:29 AM
We have said nothing bad about them at any point. We have been nothing but supportive and excited for everyone to ahve a great season!

chuck weber
10-27-2010, 12:08 PM
You're being cordial, friendly, and willing to help out others in this haunt biz. I had the same thing happen to me with my teen night club posters being torn down. It's gonna happen. Some do it just for spite. To cause trouble. Just put more up. They'll get tired of tearing them down. You'll be ok, man... Relax.... Enjoy your dream- a great haunt!

OblivionHauntedHouse
10-27-2010, 12:49 PM
Thanks. Im not stressed. More pissed off. Just wanted to see if this happens all over and what others do. Posters and flyers/coupons are time and money.

Jonathan
10-27-2010, 01:30 PM
It happens to many haunts. And by taking a higher road, that is a good choice.

Burial Chamber is a fantastic haunt with detail etc. And if the actors came through, just remember, you cannot judge the owner and such from some of the actors who may be taking things a bit too far.

OblivionHauntedHouse
10-27-2010, 01:32 PM
Oh I know. I spoke with him directly. Obviously it's the actors thinking they are 'defending' their territory.

Badger
10-27-2010, 01:38 PM
Perhaps start a forum for all the local haunts in the area for the purpose of promoting EVERY haunt in the area. We have a similar forum in central NC and they all work together to keep everyone in business. This is what he have. Its small and features about 12 haunts within a couple hours drive of each other.

http://www.nchaunts.com/forum/index.php

Once they see how it can benefit each other, hopefully the problems will disappear...

graystone
10-27-2010, 01:46 PM
Yes this has been my first year in 20 years to have to deal with this. I have had nothing but BS and lies from my old haunt to the point I am about to go off and do something that's going to cost me the rest of my life. It's a constant distraction and headache. 2 times now their crew has made it in to only scream out the name of their haunt and how bad and awsome it is. As well as cops catching them puting out flyers. I was accused of doing the same thing only to have Mike thank goodness hes a member here prove they were lying as I did not even have my flyers yet!! Unreal and all I can say is I don't know what to say. Several were in chat last night talking about this very subject. I can't offer answers because I don't know the answer myself. I just pray for the day I run into them face to face and not behind a computer and I can only pray to God above that he helps me control myself. Shane and it's hold your head high man! Shane this time.

P.S. I am talking with TransWorld about speaking on this very topic it should be very interesting for sure. I think lots of haunts would want to sit in on this. Good topic on how to handle abusive competition. I fully expect them to come here and try to make it out like they are all good and I am all crazy! LMAO lawd maybe we should just laugh!

wickedfarmer
10-27-2010, 02:04 PM
Some guys just don't get it. Newer local haunt 2 miles away puts signs at end of my road to intercept my business and then feed off those who leave my place both. Tried working with them as I firmly believe two haunts so close by would draw more people to our area. Even approached them this year to do 3 way ad with local brew pub and our two haunts. What more could you ask for 2 unique haunts with 16 beers on tap and great food afterwards. Even offered to give free fastpass at my place anyone showing me ad so people could go to new small haunt and have time for best chicken wings in area. Consequently the brewery owner also owns corner lot where my sign is..and other haunt places theres each year. Brewery & I did ad together but other haunt got ticked when owner said they could not put their signs on his property this year. Seems they wanted to let us do advertising and then be a parasite off our businesses. Then things got ugly. But I think I have open door with them again for next year.

danglin
10-27-2010, 05:23 PM
Erick,

That is sad that you are having to go through that. We have been blessed (as far as I know) to have some classy haunts around us. Everyone has been working together to promote the other ones and to give out each other's fliers.

I even had one local haunt owner (Craig from Nightmare's Gate) that showed the utlimate in respect and class. Upon realizing that his group had booked a meet and greet in a retail store right next to where we already had one set up, and on the same day, he called me personally to let me know, and he changed his plans so that it did not take away from what we had planned! He didn't have to do this, but he did, and that instantly gained my respect and friendship.

Also, some fellow first hear haunters from Haunt Atlanta stopped in the night before we opened to check out place out, and upon seeing that we were struggling to get our camo netting installed over our large graveyard area, they jumped right in and started helping out!

Haunts have to realize that it only helps to have several different types of attractions nearby. When I exit interview our customers, they always say that they are pumped up after going through our haunt, and they ask me where two or three more are nearby that they can go through!

It shouldn't be competition...It should be collaboration!

Hopefully the competitiveness will die down soon. Good luck, and I hope you have a successful Halloween Weekend!

NightmareAftershockLLC
10-27-2010, 07:24 PM
I pray this never happens to me when I start up....

I want to NETWORK with local haunts, not challenge them. Imagine being able to make a combo ticket with your local haunt, and capitalize on being two haunts in the same area! Why make things nasty and dirty? Why not BETTER this industry. =(

I'm sorry you're having to go through this.

Twin Locusts
10-27-2010, 07:49 PM
You're doing the right thing by taking the high road.

Redneck has nothing to do with geography and we all have to deal with them. Stick to your ideals and do your thing, they'll eventually get what's coming without you having to serve it to them.

If they do absolute provable harm to your business, steal, vandalize, slander you in print - take reasonable action. Otherwise, kill em with kindness and ignore them.

This type of behavior is rooted in insecurity and lack of class; when leadership takes that approach it's easy for the kids that work there to slide that way too. Congratulations on having a safe and successful year and thank you for setting an example by promoting the industry in general. All boats will rise when we work together and you are part of that reality!

shawnc
10-27-2010, 07:51 PM
That's just such a wrong attitude to have. If someone goes through a good haunt they are more likely to want to visit another one that season. Just like when two or three good movies come out in one month. You don't pick just one - most people go to see all of them.

Everyone is right about trying to stay above it all. Like they say, wrestling with a pig only makes you muddy and the pig happy.

Does anyone notice that it is usually not the best haunts in an area doing this? It seems the only way some people can rise up is to try to drag others down and then step on them.

Arx Mortis
10-27-2010, 11:18 PM
O - I feel for you. We've been dealing with a similar problem since SUMMER of this year. Our disgruntled ex-partner has gone on a smear campaign against us all over the internet, has telephoned vendors calling us thieves, writes nasty stuff & lies about us here on the forums & facebook, and even threatens us with violence online on nearly a weekly basis (feel free to read graystone's comments above - those are pretty typical).

We've taken the high road long enough, however, and I now feel I have to respond to these accusations, because we're finding that if you just sit back and try to be the good guy by being quiet....some people out there start believing the crazy guy yelling all the insults. Sheri, and we're done taking it too, at Arx Mortis.

graystone
10-28-2010, 12:38 AM
My friend need I say more? Shane and it's a clear case of the nuttso's! Shane this time.

GraveStalker
10-28-2010, 08:13 AM
You're doing the right thing by taking the high road.

This type of behavior is rooted in insecurity and lack of class; when leadership takes that approach it's easy for the kids that work there to slide that way too. Congratulations on having a safe and successful year and thank you for setting an example by promoting the industry in general. All boats will rise when we work together and you are part of that reality!


I agree it is insecurity. I have seen this many times before both in professional and personal relationships. I have found that people who are insecure can be extremely dangerous. Obviously they feel the way to get ahead is to make everyone else look bad because they are unable to be better. Very Sad!

I believe in your approach and know for a fact that haunts can co-exist without losing attendance -Even if they don't work together. In CT, most attractions I am aware of have outstanding owners, so we do not encounter this problem. But another haunt I do work for (out-of-state) had a new attraction move close by. The first couple years their attendance was steady, but this year with a little marketing (basically promoting that they are in the area too) Their attendance has nearly tripled and I have not heard of or seen a significant drop at the other haunt

Personally, I would use this to motivate me to further separate my haunt from theirs and make them look even worse. I think the case of the Bama haunts is an entirely different issue and may need to be addressed, but as for the high-school bull crap - time to move on...

Best of luck for a great season!!!

OblivionHauntedHouse
10-28-2010, 10:36 AM
And again - I would like to stress, I dont beleive it is the owner itself. I have heard on multiple occasions that he has told his actors to respect us. I get a little wearly, however when his very words to me were "I would support you more if you werent 5 minutes away."

Over the winter, we had great support and help with our build from other local haunts like Green Bay Fear and Haunted High. This summer Terror on the Fox loaned us props to finish out a scene. Ron from Nightmare Factory stopped by to check it out in a very professional manner. Upon finishing the tour, we chatted and he gave me honest opinions on our event and I could tell he was genuine. These are the types of things we all need to be doing for each other.

JamBam
10-28-2010, 12:08 PM
We believe that networking is best. Communicate folks. Our team does road trips to other haunts with advance notice and permission with professional courtesy. Our team knows to behave and keep comments to themselves if they might be taken wrong.

Haunt owners all need to get along. This is exactly why IAHA and HHA couldn't get as much as they wanted done.

Haunt owners on and off this board that have issues need to work it out and be repectful. Sometimes our help doesn't help like they think they are with their comments, actions, and reports to us. Go around those people and deal with each other directly.

graystone
10-28-2010, 12:59 PM
Good advice although I do think it's hard. Most who do this bull do it behind a computer. But given the opportunity for a face to face they run like a scared deer caught in your cars headlights.

I never blame the actors or employees as I am 100% sure most of the time they can only believe what they are told and fed. It's like going to court and having a default judgement aginst someone. I mean after all if you don't show up or the judge/person only hears one side of a story then what else do they believe or can they believe?

I will say this Erick you know your friend Shane will shoot you straight. I would not be surprised that the owner/owners are feeding the crew/workers a pack of lies as high as a giraffe's ass! Shane and it's been there and back! Shane this time!

haunterx
10-28-2010, 01:42 PM
You said you want to meet face to face and that we are scared to do so. So lets do it. We only live a few miles apart. Name the place and time and let's discuss the problems. The ball is in your court now.

Vinny
www.ArxMortis.com

graystone
10-28-2010, 03:09 PM
I hope this helped with your problem. Shane and it's if this don't nothing will! Shane this time!

mindtumor
10-29-2010, 07:30 AM
O - I feel for you. We've been dealing with a similar problem since SUMMER of this year. Our disgruntled ex-partner has gone on a smear campaign against us all over the internet, has telephoned vendors calling us thieves, writes nasty stuff & lies about us here on the forums & facebook, and even threatens us with violence online on nearly a weekly basis (feel free to read graystone's comments above - those are pretty typical).

We've taken the high road long enough, however, and I now feel I have to respond to these accusations, because we're finding that if you just sit back and try to be the good guy by being quiet....some people out there start believing the crazy guy yelling all the insults. Sheri, and we're done taking it too, at Arx Mortis.

Cool story, bro. Here is something a little more interesting than this rivalry you keep telling us about that most of us don't care about and none of us can do anything about, Cataclysm comes out Dec 7th and I preordered my copy already. Check it out maybe it will brighten your day. At least it will take your mind off all of your trials and tribulations.

graystone
10-29-2010, 11:38 AM
Jared! That made my day! Thanks! Shane and it's I needed that! Shane this time!

harrishaven
11-07-2010, 04:25 PM
Get over it ! Isn't that what you people told me when it came to my posts. But now that it happens to you its waaaaa time. Welcome to haunting 101

xxxdirk
11-07-2010, 06:10 PM
erick, that other haunt did the same stuff to us when we were closer. Unfortunately nothing you can do because they see you as a threat which should make you feel better. Unfortunately, if the haunt owner does not take direct action to control his actors behavior, he is, in effect, encouraging it. Just smile and know that you must be doing something right, because they are itimidated by you......

Jim Warfield
11-07-2010, 06:48 PM
Way back when a haunted experience was in the $3 to $5 range, and unemployment was not 10% and people bounced from job to job without a care..."Let's see as many haunts as we can!"
Now with some places getting $20 to $30 for per person....maybe your $30 haunt is a "Cadillac", but maybe the majority of potential customers can only afford a short ride in a taxi cab?
Yes there will be a core goup of haunt fans who will spend whatever it takes to visit many haunts..but is that core group going to be larger than the actual core group that you see the most of every season? The "kids", teenagers?
I'm just asking these questions trying to get a more accurate feel for the big world out there beyound the cornfield, not trying to make anyone upset.......because whatever "works" for you..."Works" and there will never be any arguement concerning that coming from me.
Thanks.

monsterwax
11-07-2010, 09:36 PM
It's always a pain when people in the same profession start bad mouthing each other. It's unprofessional and just makes both sides look bad. We ran into that recently with a new haunt that advertised they were going to run us out of business, etc. etc. Fortunately, we were able to discuss it and they agreed to remove such references. We both agreed it was more practical to focus on building our own haunts up by working harder, rather than tearing anyone else's haunt down with insults. I wish I could say we are buddies like we are with the other nearby haunts, but who knows, maybe that can come later.

The way I figure it, there aren't that many people who have as big an interest in haunted houses as do fellow haunt owners. You should value such people rather than diss them. And just as malls attract customers to other adjacent businesses, so do haunts attract more costumers to ALL the nearby haunts. Case in point: Far from being "run out of business" by the new haunt, our numbers were higher this year than ever before. I don't attribute that to the new haunt only, but I certainly don't think having them around hurt at all. As a matter of fact, we took a group over there one of our few nights off and enjoyed getting to experience a haunt as a customer for once.

It's better and more fun for everyone when fellow haunters are friendly rather than antagonistic. (You do have to emphasize this to your workers though, as anything they say or do that is unflattering toward the other haunt will be blamed on you. Sometimes employees will try to brag about your haunt by ragging on the other guys. They think they are doing you a favor, when in fact they are only fanning the flames of discord.)

The taking down of posters and signs is obnoxious as well. We have that happen to us also, and they are often replaced with the other haunt's materials. I prefer to think this is done by overzealous workers, rather than the owners. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but again, why waste your time and energy arguing when you could instead invest it in improving your haunt?

chuck weber
11-08-2010, 10:52 AM
Disturbia haunted attraction

Boni
11-08-2010, 02:23 PM
Classic situation.

My actor Kate was in line at the other haunt in town.

The other haunts actor was bad mouthing us to the group in front of Kate saying we weren't scary at all. Well, Kate actually remembered escorting this actor out of our haunt the weekend before because she chickened out.

So Kate interrupts, I seem to recall that you couldn't make it through our haunt and I was the one that had to take you to the lobby to wait for your family.

The other actor bows her head, looks at the ground and walks away with tail between legs.

I was rolling when Kate told me that story.

For the record, the other haunts owner and I get along very well, I don't think he is saying anything negative about us.