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Kevin Dells
03-15-2007, 05:12 AM
I have a really simple question pertaining to the Make up dvd.

First off great DVD, i have watched it now at least a half dozen times but my question is about the gelatin sequence.
It looks like a really cool make up job but i know in the past when i have used gelatin for make up that it gets rock hard when dry and i only use it in patches mixed with blood gel for a muscle structure look.

When Jeff did this make over in the video they did the entire head!

Did that get rock hard as well? And if so how bad is it to act in every night. Just curious i have an actor working on a new character with a distorted face and we thought this may be a way to do it but this guys a very intense actor and i wouldn't want to hamper his performance with something heavy, stiff and hot to work in.

Thanks in advance, Kevin

Jonathan
03-15-2007, 07:42 AM
Thats a good question. Wish I would have had it last night, I had him on the phone for an upcoming interview on RFR about the DVD.

I am sure he is lurking the boards somewhere or one of these haunt experts can answer that. But you are right, it is a great DVD.

Jim Warfield
03-15-2007, 01:20 PM
But Kevin will a guy running around iside of a tent with Jell-o on his head really scare anybody except some mental health professionals?
Will he be called "Mr. Badcampout?"

maverick005
03-15-2007, 02:03 PM
hey kevin....gelatin will get rock hard if it dries out...in the dvd i think they used latex as a sealant so that it slows the drying process down...if you watch it over again, i think he says it in there somewhere....i believe you are talking about the makeup that roger miller did...i hope this answers the question....

todd poole

bodybagging
03-15-2007, 02:27 PM
I personally didnt care for the gelatin used on my Head one time....blech

SpFXChic
03-15-2007, 04:15 PM
Was it a gel-foam product they used or straight gelatin like a gel-effects type makeup? I haven't received my DVD yet, so I can't reference it. After I receive and watch it, I may be able to post an update.

maverick005
03-15-2007, 04:55 PM
it is the ol' dick smith technique....nox gelatin and hot water....in the video ( i havent had a chance to reference it myself) i think theres a couple of makeups where geletin is used...
i havent ever used a geletin makeup...but no matter how disgusting it may be, and how gross someone says it is to have it on...you never go hungry the entire night...lol...

todd

beardedbil
03-15-2007, 06:47 PM
I suggest using MUD's gel foam cubes instead of foam latex... great to work with and has never dried out on me, nice skin like feel to it...

Also not to mention much cheaper then foam latex... You can find it here:
http://www.fxwarehouse.info/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2227&Category_Code=Gelatin

However if your in or around NY i would just get it from the creator... Make-up Designory in NYC...

http://www.fxwarehouse.info/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/mud.jpg

Kevin Dells
03-15-2007, 08:35 PM
First of thank you guys for all the reply's, this is so excellent to have such a cool group to chat with and swap techniques.

I kind of thought it was Nox Gelatin and yes it does get Rock hard and not very breathable at all,especially since they used a plastic bag as a bald cap. I could just see an actor hitting the floor from over heating due to all the heat being contained under those two elements.

Regardless the make up job is awesome and as said by many im sure you could change up some of the products to allow breathing a little better.

Bearded bil, you got my attention but in the same thought i wonder about expense. The gel foam cubes are very cool and as frugal as i am i always look for the cheaper route so please don't be offended.

Is this not the same product as Mehrons 3-D gel heat it up and pour it on and work it until it cools? If so i do know that Mehron does in fact sell their 3-D gel in pancake form and it retails for around 13$ a pancake so it is half the price. Im thinking of course of a 20 night season and applying it 20 times, that adds up! Thats why i did investigate into Mehrons product line at TW last year and they informed me that do in fact make the cakes.

I was for two seasons buying the little bottles at 4.95$ a shot and thinking what am i insane! I was going through 10 bottles a night on only a couple of actors,but the crowd response was phenominal so we kept buying the stuff.

Again everyone thanks for the reply's,im glad i put the topic up.

Kevin Dells
03-15-2007, 08:38 PM
But Kevin will a guy running around iside of a tent with Jell-o on his head really scare anybody except some mental health professionals?
Will he be called "Mr. Badcampout?"
No Jim, i think we will call him Bill Cosby!LOL
Or maybe puddinhead!

beardedbil
03-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Well $25.00 isn't so bad for gel foam cubes, and if you take good care of them, they most likely will last more then one sitting, and the 2nd time you apply them they will already be painted... the thing that is GREAT about them, any excess you don't use, just melt it down and reuse for your next mold. Good luck in your search! Let us know what you decide on using and how it works out...

robert
03-16-2007, 12:23 AM
To make your gelatin flexible indefinately add glycerin to the mix. This is one of the basics that has been used for the last thirty years by pro make-up artists. Add it after you mix the water into the gelatin.

milkunits
03-16-2007, 12:50 AM
Anyone with a good place to get glycerin? I tried Walgreens and they only have suppositories. For some reason, I did not think that was what I was after unless I was going to shove them up some actors nose :)

Any particular store you can go to? How about ole Wally, does he have it at his mart?

Is Vegetable Glycerin the same thing? Is Glycerin used in soap making? What the heck is Glycerin? Ok, skip that, Wikipedia here I come....

I have seen Glycerin referenced in the new CIFX segment for making blood on the new haunted media DVD and Geoff's video, but am still a little unclear on the specifics.

I will take websites or would prefer to drive down the street and get me some of that Glycerin.

SpFXChic
03-16-2007, 10:46 AM
You can get glycerin here:
http://www.fxwarehouse.info/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Gelatin


However, a lot of makeup lines carry their own brand.

dr0zombie
03-16-2007, 07:33 PM
Since you guys are linking to them let me just add to the mix for Kevin that Thea at FXwarehouse is a great source of help. For those of us in Illinois I have been able to reliably order from her on a Monday and get my stuff by Wednesday or Thursday standard shipping if the know you need it for that weekends show. Just a really great group to work with when getting your makeup supplies....

SpFXChic
03-17-2007, 01:54 PM
Ok, got the DVD yesterday and had one of the other haunt makeup artists come watch it with me. We loved it! In the case of the gelatin makeups that were used, I would agree with Robert and just add a little glycerin to the mix. I prefer the gel-foam cubes, but it you are using the recipe they gave just add a bit of glycerin and it'll stay flexible.

And by the way, Todd, you cracked us up in all of your bits!

geoffgbeck
03-19-2007, 02:07 PM
:) Hello everyone, as Jonathan eluded to earlier I was lurking somewhere on other boards . But I am back now, but as I can see a lot of you helpful folks already tried to help out Kevin Dells with his intitial questions about the Jeff Glatzer gelatin makeup on my new DVD HAUNTING MAKEUP VOLUME ONE. Just to clarify a few things I wanted to mention that instead of using latex to seal the gelatin, Jeff used a plasticiszer called watermellon which is a Michael Davie product because Jeff has recently had some bad alergic reactions to latex. Of cousre latex is preferable, and also as one of you mentioned the usage of glycerin would help (allthough it was not used in the video) to keep the gelatin appliance felxible. Added to the glycerin as I am told some zinc oxide would help (I do not know what the appropriate mixture would be or where you can get it). I am told by the model Rex Hamilton that wearing a plastic bag on his head (because his head is too big for a standard bald cap) is not any warmer on his head as a rubber bald cap (contradicting what someone on an earlier post thought). On the subject of heat, I would not recommend using gelatin until the second half of the haunting season, and for the warmer states like South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, save it for the last week or to not use gelatin at all. Personally I only use gelatin for seminars or for quick coverage over a latex build up to give a makeup a goopy look. In films we are used to seeing it used for open cuts, or wounds, but for haunted houses a similar look can be achieved using latex with cotton build up using fresh scab a little stage blood on top (you can even use ky jelly instead on top of some red and black grease paint to make the wound or cut look fresh and slimy). Gelatin is also great when doing an old age makeup. You can take shreaded cotton and roll them up into little tiny ballls and place them in places like around the mouth, on and around the nose, around the ears,etc to create pusy boils (painted redish baige). When covered with ky jelly these boils look really iritated and sweaty giving the overall makeup a fairly realistic look (great for witches and que-line actors getting in people's faces). If anyone has any questions about any of the other makeups used in the DVD feel free to post them here or email me at geoffgbeck@yahoo.com.

Geoff Beck

Lord Ogre
03-19-2007, 08:16 PM
hey kevin....gelatin will get rock hard if it dries out...in the dvd i think they used latex as a sealant so that it slows the drying process down...if you watch it over again, i think he says it in there somewhere....i believe you are talking about the makeup that roger miller did...i hope this answers the question....

todd poole

I've been using gelatin buildups for over 10 years.

A few layers of latex added over the gelatin will keep it soft, flexible, and aid in keeping it from literally melting off your face when you get too hot.

Unlike latex, gelatin melts when placed under slightly hot water so you can apply it into your hair, eyebrows, beard, or mustache if you wish.

Who knew plain old store bought Knox Gelatin could be so much fun!

Kevin Dells
03-20-2007, 04:40 AM
Thanks for all the reply's guys and no i didn't know Rex has a big head(LOL) and i also didn't know it would wash out of hair with hot water,interesting!

A few people from my crew have been using a green colored face mask that women put on their faces to clean. This is applyed to the whole head but when dry it cracks for a really cool look,inexpensive and washes right out.

Again Thanks for so many replies,im overwhelmed!!