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terrormasue
01-15-2011, 02:13 PM
First off I am so sorry that this issue has even come up. I havn't spoken with Larry so I do not know what his reasons were to change the event from Wednesday to Thursday. I do know that everyone talked and decided which days went to what person. Shane has had Thursday set for months now and it is set. We have a special guest that has planned his/her schedule around this night. Shane wanted to make sure everyone, vendors included, could attend the party. Many people who would have attended the party last year could not because is was on a Wednesday night. Shane requested his day to be Thursday in order to accommodate everyone. As far as I know everyone agreed to this. I have attended the Behind the Scenes tour of the Darkness several times before and yes, I did have a good time. However, meeting vendors and other haunt owners in a relaxed enjoyable setting is also valuable. We sat and chatted for hours discussing props, ideas, tips and tricks. I am not telling anyone what to do but do not think that the party is only PARTY TIME and not a learning venue also. I can tell you this I won an awesome prize last year which more than paid for my ticket. I gained a great deal at Shanes Party last year. I met and made great friends, had a great time, learned some great new tricks and walked away with a great prize! I want to assure everyone the date is set and will not change for the Insane Shane Party of the Year. We are working on extending the time. Hope to see everyone there!

Sue

graystone
01-15-2011, 02:24 PM
I don't have a good answer. Larry said people complained because they were not coming in till Thursday and others compained about this and that. So hummmm ever heard of damned of ya do and damned of ya don't LOL. I hope this is a simple issue for us both and people can adjust to enjoy both events. It's timed tickts so looks like you will only have your allotted time to attend. People can leave and come back because they will have an arm band. When they come in and get their ticket and if we start giving items away before some make it back then we can keep a list and they can check the list with their ticket to see if they won anything while they were gone? Shane and it's what's everyones thoughts? I am only 1 person here LOL! Shane

terrormasue
01-15-2011, 02:45 PM
Shane that is a great idea! Yes come on to the party, eat have fun, go to the behind the scenes tour, come on back! We will make sure if your name is called you WILL GET THE PRIZE!! That is a promise! Leave it to you Shane to come up with the perfect solution! Again, we are working on extending the time! So come on and party, learn and win!

Sue

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 02:56 PM
I think you are taking the party as a serious networking tool too seriously Sue. You can do more networking in a more casual setting at the hotel bar for free, no $80 ticket it's free and always packed. It's hard to network over loud music, wings and beer, where serious haunters are not present and it's packed with actors and start ups. I'm not knocking actors or start ups but let's be real it's a party for people to go to to hang out, danc, and have a good time...

You guys should not worry, you will get many people at your party and you'll all have a great time!

DA

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 03:20 PM
Shane,

I support the idea of a party. But I've said from the start this is not about the industry but more about your ego, hence the name Insane SHANE party. Bob's was self serving as well. If you really cared and did it for the haunt industry you'd leave your name off the party and do it all behind the scenes. It's like the celebrity who calls the press and photographers ahead of time to let them know he's on his way to the children's hospital so it gets picked up on the news and he gets the PR and attention. It's the celeb who does it in private that makes it seem more sincere. I see this whole thing was a way you could get your name out there and put yourself in the center of attention. I know you'll deny it and your supporters will back you up but it's pretty obvious I'm right.

Also, who said we NEEDED a party?
Last year IAHA and the HHA has parties there's plenty of parties....

graystone
01-15-2011, 03:35 PM
I think you are taking the party as a serious networking tool too seriously Sue. You can do more networking in a more casual setting at the hotel bar for free, no $80 ticket it's free and always packed. It's hard to network over loud music, wings and beer, where serious haunters are not present and it's packed with actors and start ups. I'm not knocking actors or start ups but let's be real it's a party for people to go to to hang out, danc, and have a good time...

You guys should not worry, you will get many people at your party and you'll all have a great time!

DA

Let me say a few things. For $95.00 you get all the food you can eat ALL NIGHT NOT JUST 1 PLATE. Other than fast food there is $25.00 or $30.00 for a meal in any town. Then if you drink ( I don't ) but let's say $5.00 a drink 6 drinks is another $30.00 there were up to $60.00. Now ok let's everyone throw in the room and it's no where crowed like the small bar it's a huge room so everyone gives $10.00 towards the room were up to $70.00 now add a shirt that would cost $20.00 there is $90.00 and say $5.00 in tax. I can't put a value on a persons prize because I don't know what each person wins. I don't see your point?

Are you calling Eric from Haunted Overload, Paul Johnson from Atrox, Ben Armstrong from Netherworld just to name a few actors or start up haunt owners? WHATS YOUR DEAL IN SAYING AND MAKING YOUR STATEMENTS YOU HAVE NEVER ATTENDED MY PARTY SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON. I am kinda tired of you bashing this or putting down the ones who are attending like they are no bodies because let me correct you. THEY ARE HAUTERS COMING INTO TOWN FOR TRANSWORLD NOT TO SEE A HAUNTED HOUSE, NOT TO COME TO A PARTY, NOT TO GET DRUNK AND HANG OUT, THEY ARE THERE FOR THE SHOW FIRST. Any outside activities are done by hard working people like myself and the ones that helps us do it.I try along with Larry and others who meets with TransWorld to offer as much as they can for their enjoyment but again its Business first!

Stop down grading people for things they want to do. It's clear you DON'T LIKE ME OR WHAT I DO AN HEY BROTHER THATS WHATS GREAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT IT OR ME BUT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT WHEN OTHERS DO. IT'S NOT COOL. Your making yourself look like a " I am better than you all judge" it want gain you support. Just back off the cheap shots sit in the small bar and do your thing. They want judge you for what you do and you don't judge them or make comments for what I or they may choose to do. Again there is plenty of time to do lots of things just pick out what you want to do and if someone else does something different then THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT! Shane and it's I am being nice. Shane

graystone
01-15-2011, 04:04 PM
Thanks for the support and you will see alot of people. Like I said there's several of the Darkness people are coming in later ( they did not know actors could attend). I am for it ALL the show, MY party, Larry's Lemp and Darkness haunts. I wonder if DA has his name on his haunt or does he stay behind the scenes? I mean seems to me that would give him a ego. LET ME SAY THIS. Ego not so much maybe a little but I have busted my ass for years to get what I have and I did it the right way. I sure as Hell have a Heart also and will fight for all big and small in this Industry as I see everyone as equal and treated the same way.
Yeah there is a bad one from time to time but even in one's family it happens.

Again thanks AJ I wish more people would post than email me in on stuff like this but I DO UNDERSTAND not wanting to make a mess here. As far as BOB goes I don't know why he don't do it anymore maybe it was he got scared of the gamble and someone making a mess of it as DA is trying to do with mine. Maybe he said WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT IN DOING SOMETHING COOL WHEN YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE DA TRYING TO TEAR IT DOWN. I will just believe he got tired of the BS and stopped. Shane and it's it will take more than that with me. Shane

Ticket sales I am not worried they are GREAT!

spookhaven
01-15-2011, 04:24 PM
I am going to both events. Just think some (such as myself) might feel rushed if we want to talk to Larry's crew about something.

You both do an awesome job with things. Never was at Shane's party and feel it's important to network, and Larry's place is like a museum so you have to go and see what else he did. I personally think Larry does a great thing with the behind the scenes tour.

SomeThingInTheIce
01-15-2011, 04:32 PM
You got that right!!!! If I did all this work you damn right I'd have my name on it and if I remember right people on the form started calling it the insane shane party and shane went with it. As for sitting in the bar being FREE, unless someone is buying you those drinks, it's not free.

DA,
I'm pretty sure if you dropped 20K up front on something you would want your name on it too. I don't get why you feel the need to hate on everything you don't agree with or understand. I for one am thrilled to be attending the party as it is a chance to meet everyone I possibly can in the industry. As far as I know from the posts i've seen everyone but you is excited about the party.

So I take it by your comments you are not going to the party? Guess we won't have to worry about your negativity bringing everyone down.

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 04:35 PM
Shane,

I love how you throw names out there to get them on your side. What ever happened to one one man wrecking crew Shane Dabbs who took on all comers alone? I realize there are a handful of good haunters and even a couple major players that will be there. I'm not hating on you but you know this is for your own name in the industry and the rest of you do too. Since you blew in as the forums biggest jerk, someone or something got to you and you've been on a mission to be on everyone's buddy list and you want to be the jewel of the industry. That's fine, but when I call it as I see it don't you guys cry like babies I can say what I want it's a free country.

Shane, AJ proves my point. He's not even an actor at a haunt and he's going, he's merely a reviewer.

And AJ, after reading what you wrote I;m considering coming now and standing by you the whole night! lol


Shane, you pride yourself on being a straight shooter, then start shooting straight unless everyone here has lost their mind there is no one including you who doesn't believe, at least a little, you're doing this for your onw name's sake. It's obvious, too obvious.

DA

graystone
01-15-2011, 05:24 PM
Or should I say James I have found out a first name seems like. Ok MY NAME is on it. I am paying the money up front and I will take the loss if it happens what's your point? You jealous your not doing it? You can do your own party you know. Heck do it in the Bar want cost you a dime. I learned alot from my past and being an ass can and can't get you places. I will however not let everyone run over me. Again it's clear you have a jealous side in you but why?

I would say don't be jealous and focus on your learning being jealous of me is not helping you or your haunt ( if you have one). Remember sitting in the bar getting dog faced drunk is what's going to help you.

So you know AJ is not a haunt owner, Now let him know and me know who you are? Are you a haunt owner? What's your name. We all know each other here and if you want to play ball tell us who you are, your haunt, and location and then we can judge you too. It's easy to sit here on this forum and bash behind a name. This has been a talk for years on why some hide behind a name so today is your turn to be a big boy and fill us in heck just fill me in. And when did it become a crime to build ones name? Ok I am agreeing on all your points now answer the who, what, when and why's now.

Again that's whats great about this Country you can have an opinion and you can vote, drive do everything and anything in this Country you want to do.Your allowed to but there is one small thing. YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR OWN NAME! and be taken serious. Ice you are exactly right my friends and this Industry gave me that name and Dark it was for a reason! Shane and it's Shane Dabbs who's hosting the Insane Shane Party who has put up his own money for the Industry to come to and enjoy. Shane

One other thing I don't need anyone on my side these people are MY Friends I am not afraid to mention them here and I am sure they don't mind. Oh did you notice I mentioned their real name and not a screen name?

All American
01-15-2011, 05:27 PM
hey dark,
If it's just half ass haunters and actors why don't you come? don't you run a garage haunt hmmmm must be putting serious numbers thru, enough to knock field of screams

and seriously it's $95 What's $95 to have a good time ?

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 05:32 PM
Chris,

You're about a an hour from me up in Annapolis right? But yet you worked for Shane down in Alabama right, as an actor? Another kid I can see, what a follower.


DA

NightmareAftershockLLC
01-15-2011, 05:42 PM
Shane, you pride yourself on being a straight shooter, then start shooting straight unless everyone here has lost their mind there is no one including you who doesn't believe, at least a little, you're doing this for your onw name's sake. It's obvious, too obvious.

You are a douche bag. He doesnt need this f'ing money. And this isnt for profit. Its to benefit us, and give us a decent time to relax and network. Stop being so freaking negative.
At least you get to have an opportunity to go! I am deployed right now, and am going to miss every chance to go to that party, yet I'm helping out with the site, etc.

Why? Because this industry needs more people like Shane to step up, instead of being a follower. If that means getting a bad rep with jealous guys like you, then so be it, but stop raining on everyone's parade.

Enough already. Just STOP. Its getting old seeing you cut on every single thread.

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 05:50 PM
Pile it on everyone pile it on. History always repeats itself, we'll see where you are when that happens... It's too bad old posts were deleted....I might have some stored away.

By the way, I'm not jealous. You guys are waaaay over thinking this. It's a party, that's all it is, it's a party. You guys are defending it like it's your lives or something. Ignore what I write and go enjoy the party. I could also afford to do the party Shane is doing, so could many of you, but if I did I wouldn't do it for my benefit.

The whole point I was trying to make was Larry does not need to apologize for his haunt tours and what nights he has them. Not everyone will go to each there will be thousands of people there and all events and tours will be full of people. Damn, you guys are all worked up over a damn party that cost 20k to do, many of us could do it doing a party is not something anyone would be jealous about.


It's just a party and I'm just one person speaking up. That's where Shane and I always saw eye to eye, that's where we've found common ground. I just don't operate on selective memory like most others do.

DA


ps; Keegan, thanks for your service, seriously.

jakprintsHAUNT
01-15-2011, 05:51 PM
There is great value to everyone.. haunt owners, staff, actors, reviewers, vendors etc... in both events.

The Behind The Scenes tour is a chance for Larry to show off his wares, and for everyone else to see his ideas and take their own from them, get some industry insight, and see in general how someone else does it...maybe rub shoulders with some bigger names in line. Its not a seminar...more of a R+D kind of event if you will. I don't regret doing it last year and hope to do it again this year. From the perspective of a long time haunter hoping to do my own attraction one day...I know there is great value in seeing how other events are done.

Shane's party is a chance for EVERYONE to socialize in an event tailored to them...in a large room with space and activities...not the overcrowded Renn bar that you are lucky you can find a seat in late night. For what you are getting I understand the ticket price. I mean even something as simple as when I planned my wedding...yeah its like $30+ a plate for just the food, plus appetizers, rentals etc..., but figuring in all the other costs...its not cheap to throw a good party no matter what it is for...your per person cost goes way beyond just the food. And I'm sure whoever threw a party...if they were doing all the hard work of planning/promoting/organizing...would want some kind of credit for it. No different than if you were behind an amazing attraction, you would want your name attached to your hard work.

The free Transworld Party was also pretty fun with many of the same opportunities...but being free to everyone...it was VERY crowded, and made networking/socializing difficult, but nice that Transworld does give back to those that make the show the success it is.

I think my attendance at the tours will be dependent on how early they start...I really thought keeping the Wednesday event would have been a better option...as if you are going for educational purposes you'd likely be there Wednesday for the seminars anyway. If you are a vendor you gotta be there Wednesday at latest for setup. Even when there were going to be two live action nights...people still had the option to do Darkness Saturday instead. Just a thought...and tickets havent went on sale yet. Maybe an easy way to solve it would be put up a forum poll to see what day people would be more likely to go? Unless Wednesday is out due to other obligations, I know Larry mentioned an install that someone wanted them to do during the same week of the show.

I personally want to try to do it all, but its going to be tough to hit 2 different locations of Behind The Scenes and both parties.

Those are my thoughts on this one.

Mike "Pogo" Hach

graystone
01-15-2011, 06:33 PM
Guys, Gals this has nothing to do with my party and has nothing to do with Larry's tours. Bottom line is DA want's to see me and Larry go at it and he has seen a chance to start up somthing. Pit his Haunt Tour aginst My Party! He got off when me and Larry used to go at it. Dark here is a secret IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! WERE ALL SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.

I am still the same person I was 4 or 5 years ago when I started coming here. I was haunting longggggggggggggggg before coming here and attended the shows way before. He can't stand the fact me and Larry both have grown and have came to respect each others thoughts, feelings and ideas and it's killing him. I don't always agree with Larry and he want always agree with me but what we did do is realize we both are doing something we love. Larry more so than me. My money comes from Christmas and a few other things I have my hands in but that part of my company pays for the Haunt stuff I have fun with. Larry has to deal with BS 24/7 and I have seen that. Again we may or may not agree but WE RESPECT EACH OTHER!

Dark in going back in old post what are you proving? I said lots of things and did lots of things back then so I am human and I learned how to handle things better. Dark you have been asked many, many times and yet still refuse to say who you are and I want to know why? I know you can't be scared of me or anyone else here. Dark trust me you can be something if you try. You have to focus on that but you will not be able to undo the success of others by jealousy. If you want me and Larry to go at it find a topic we disagree with and even then were not going to fight were going to disagee. Shane and it's nice try DA! Shane

Thanks Chris and I hope I taught you something about running a Haunt and Business. I might add Chris is 24, 25 how does that make him a kid? Keegan everyone thank's for the support but let's not feed ole DA doing business as Nothing.

Darkangel
01-15-2011, 07:04 PM
I'm going to move on from this topic you're wrong on too many points in your thread not worth the effort.

I will say this though, your math is poor. You started on these forums in 08, so it's not quite three years ago. It was much more recent when the death threats were freely flying. But, all is forgotten...

I'm done....

DA

graystone
01-15-2011, 07:53 PM
I joined this Forum in the begining of 08 whats the point again? I been haunting for 15 years before coming to HauntWorld. If anything I owe Keith K a big Thank You if it were not for his actions I WOULD HAVE NEVER JOINED. IT'S MADE ME TONS OF FRIENDS AND IT'S CAUSED ME TO GROW! AGAIN I HAVE DID AND SAID THINGS THEN I AM NOT PROUD OF BUT DO AND WILL STAND BEHIND WHAT I HAVE SAID AND MY ACTIONS. Push me in a cornor and I will charge plain and simple! Ok but before you tuck ass and run please give us your name, and haunt so we know who you are. Shane and it's still proud of my actions! Shane this time.

shawnc
01-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Since you blew in as the forums biggest jerk, someone or something got to you and you've been on a mission to be on everyone's buddy list

DA

I remember that. For a while there Shane was so bad I had him on my blocked list. But now he seems like a genuinely good guy, even though we've never met. I don't think you can fake trying to be everyone's buddy. I just attributed what happened to something that he might have been going through at the time and have put it in the past. You should try to do the same. Being angry at others only hurts yourself, as I have learned over the years.

Shawn

Twin Locusts
01-15-2011, 08:24 PM
Come on guys this kind of who-spilled-acid-on-who kind of stuff makes baby kittens cry.

Let's all just get along and let each other do our own things in peace and harmony, if we're always going around butt-hurt it only helps Darth Sidious win.

:)


http://hauntworld.com/haunted_house_forums/picture.php?albumid=36&pictureid=855

drfrightner
01-15-2011, 08:38 PM
Some of you are getting way out of hand and treating this like the end of the world is at hand...

I've said it a 100 times... do what you think is best for you. When people complained about the COST I said DON'T COME! I won't loose any sleep.

You have to do what you think is best for you, you have to do what you think is best for your time and money. There is no hard feelings.

I got all these people emailing me saying, they can't come in on Wed and then Jim and I sat down and discussed it. It will cost like an extra $3500 for actors and staff and how our entire show was ruined last year because of all the nights trying to open the haunt.

We are WORN OUT... we just got hired to build like 5 attractions. Our time is now very very limited.

The event is a TIMED TICKETING event so come to the early or late and then head over to the party or go to the party or whatever. Its really not that big of a deal... sounds like some don't put much value on our event and would rather party which is fine by me. Again no hard feelings do whatever you think is best.

My event is NOT about showing off my latest wares as Jackprint said... I'm ONLY doing this to do what I always do try and educate and advance the haunted house industry.

I see this as an opportunity to help peoples haunted houses, showing how we use products, building sets, and more. I think we've done that both years... now we are trying to push this thing again.

When and if I can't find inspiration to do something no one has ever seen before then I'll stop doing it... I'm tired, my knees are hurting, and I have a headache.

I'm not that young anymore and do not have the energy I use to have.

I'm slowing down and all I can tell you is I can't do this much longer its too much work. I've already done so much to my haunted house I've already spent so much money its STUPID, and guess what I keep on spending more! I want to make your eyes pop out of your head, I want you to learn something, I want to inspire you to make your haunted houses better. This is why I'm doing it.

I'm doing it this year like its the last time I ever do it.

If you think its important for you to come and see what we've done we'll see you here...

I will post HERE FIRST (when tickets go on sale) so you guys who want to come early can get the first hour of the event. You'll be done by 8pm plenty of time for you to get over to the party.

I really don't see how its an issue.

Larry

Twin Locusts
01-15-2011, 08:53 PM
See what happens? These guys read this thread.

http://hauntworld.com/haunted_house_forums/picture.php?albumid=36&pictureid=856


For the kids?? Smiles, chin up, carry on? good.

drfrightner
01-15-2011, 08:56 PM
LAST BUT NOT LEAST...

This thread is somewhat silly because I was opening The Darkness either way which would take more people out of the party than the behind the scenes tour... DUH!

The first night of the friday night darkness did over 600 people and the behind the scenes tour was capped at 350. EITHER WAY 'DUH' we are opening... and maybe you'll say oh yeah but you were opening the Darkness twice so we could pick one or the other.

If you are worried about the support for the party its better this way than the other because the behind the scenes does LESS PEOPLE, AND you can sign up for the 7pm event and be back at the party by 8pm or so!

THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE NOT WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!!!

You are making a MOUNTAIN out of a MOLE HILL!

Seriously!

Again do what you think is BEST FOR YOU END OF STORY! But doing both is STILL NO DIFFERENT AND NOT TOUGHER but easier than before!

Larry

terrormasue
01-15-2011, 09:43 PM
Larry, I totally agree with you! I started this thread because I knew people would have some concerns and I wanted to keep this out of your Darkness and Lemp Renovation thread. Totally incredible by the way!!! Can't wait to see everything that you have done. There will be plenty of time to enjoy both Behind The Scenes of the Darkness and the Lemp and the Insane Shane Party. Like Shane mentioned we will have wrist bands and you will be free to come and go all night! And as you, Larry, said the Behind the Scenes tour is timed ticketed. We promise to keep track of those who win the door prizes whether the winner is there or not. So go and enjoy all events that you can. This is a time and place to have fun, enjoy, learn and relax!!! That is the plan for me anyway!!! I'm excited and so looking forward to seeing everyone and having a blast !!!!

Sue

graystone
01-15-2011, 10:13 PM
I been screaming this all day! There is no reason you can't do both. I think where it took a turn is where DA thought he would get a pissing match going with me and you and it's CLEAR WERE ON THE SAME PAGE! I want to see everyone who what's to attend the Darkness BTST to go. Then come to my party, eat, drink, and take home a boat load of prizes. If when we call out a number no one speaks up then it's clear there at the Darkness and will return in time. NO BIG DEAL! Hell if I did not have all this money invested in the party I would come. Shane and it's do both folks make a fun evening of it all. TRANSWORLD IS ONCE A YEAR! Shane

Shawn LOL I remember that and your right when you feels they been raped your gonna show more emotion. But I learned from it and it's eating the stink out of DA azz that people have came to respect me for what I did not only for myself but others. Thanks Shawn

drfrightner
01-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Couple things... Thanks Sue! We are in total agreement.

This is NOT an issue... the amount of people who come to the behind the scenes tour is or will be 1/3rd the amount for the actually actor thing.

And if I post HERE FIRST everyone can jump on the 7pm tickets. It will take you about 30 minutes to do The Darkness if you walk quickly and about 5 minutes to drive down to Lemp, and will take even less time to do Lemp. Lemp is NOT a very long haunted house its only about 2/3 of Darkness.

Lemp is NOT nearly as cool as Darkness BUT the location is 5 million times better... people who see lemp are like WOW! The location is UNREAL!

You can do both in an hour no problem and Lemp or Darkness is about 5 minutes from Shanes party so its NOT a big deal.

Secondly, as far as rating someones haunted house let me say this...

I have customers who think our haunted house is the best thing since slice butter and the next thinks it sucks. I'll say this 1000 times you can NOT judge a haunted house based on a one time performance.

When did you go... start of the season yeah its not going to be as good. Did you come on a night when a whole bunch of people didn't show up for work... yeah its going to blow. Did you come on a night when its super busy at the end of the night when everyone is tired... blah, blah, blah.

You can go through right now and 10 minutes later something is back on track and rocks... haunted houses are LIVE PERFORMANCES meaning once performance can be better than the next.

I think EVERY haunt goes through ups and downs where your actors are doing good or bad or you just don't have enough... and everything between.

HAUNTS SHOULD BE JUDGED ONE the attraction itself meaning WITHOUT actors...

Does the haunt look the theme? Does the haunt have a theme? Sound, lighting, special effects, design, originality, and how about does it have great scare points... you can judge that without actors.

I will say this 2 million times... haunts should be judged strictly by the haunt itself. So you go through Shanes place and judge the haunt and you judge it against industry standards, not just yours or mine, or the one across the street.

Larry

elowther
01-16-2011, 09:01 AM
I went to both events last year. In my opinion you can't put a price tag on either one. Both events were extremely valuable to me and I would be going to both again this year if I could get the time off work. I am seriously bumming I may not be able to make TW at all this year. If I do, it would only be for one day to run around and buy all the stuff I need. Since I started a new job and lost tons of vacation time, I need all I have left for running the haunt in October. I'm going to try like hell so we'll see what happens.

The ticket prices for each should not be an issue if you are serious about improving your business.

I will quickly mention just a few things I got out of each one.

Shane's party was the perfect event to start off Transworld. You could tell he poured his heart and soul into the event and it showed. Great attention to detail on every front, making sure each guest had the best experience possible. The networking I got to do with all the people there was worth it's weight in gold. You could still talk over the music. Plenty of 80's videos to go around, lol! The food was great, the costume contest was a blast and the prizes given away were awesome! Just talking to Ben, seeing his foam appliances up close and how he got into that costume was great and helped us learn techniques for our own costumes.

There is no doubt in my mind that Shane will kick it up a notch or two this year now that he has the first one under his belt.

The Darkness tour was very cool. Since I had been before I was looking forward to see how the attraction had changed. You could see how much work went into transforming most of the attraction from the year before. I know Larry and crew also poured everything they had into this and it was awesome! Aside from all the sets, effects and new 3D haunt I was really interested in seeing how well the timed ticketing worked. I was blown away at how different it was from the year before. We got right in with no line because of all the timed slots available. The next day we went straight to the Interactive Ticketing booth and signed up. We had the best season so far just because of the online timed ticketing approach. Something I would not be able to see in my area or in October.

If you went early you would be out of there in plenty of time to enjoy Shane's party. It will run very late I'm sure.

Have fun to all those that attend either one or hopefully both events.

Eric

graystone
01-16-2011, 09:36 AM
Are you serious? DA is WHAT? just an actor! Let me be the first to say without actors your show would be NOTHING! They bring the life and excitement to a show! They ARE THE SHOW! And here he was down playing them to be no bodies.

Now back to DA How dare you down play these people only to find out you are one too. Dude what's with you? I hope no one at the haunt you work for knows how you feel about them. I am not going on with this. Once again here is someone who just made himself to look like a complete nut! It's clear why the owner don't want people to know who he is. Shane and it's just sad! Shane

Darkangel
01-16-2011, 10:09 AM
Actor coordinator, not actor. And besides, what difference does it make regarding my name and haunt I worked at? Debate me over the points I make don't be concerned with my name and where I've worked thats irrelevant to why I'm here. Tons of people choose not to use their real name and for what it's worth I respect it. Many people on here don't even say where they are from in their profile, who cares? If I wanted you to know who I am then I'd say it, it's none of your business. My points are honest and valid although I have the tendency to push too hard so I apologize to all that have been offended by anything I have posted.

I was asked not to say where I worked and who I worked for, that tenure is over anyway and I am again planning my own event. I had some serious family issues the past few years that really held me back and was a money drain and it's been a real challenge to work through. But I'm starting to get back on track as well as my family and I'm excited about what lies ahead.


DA

jakprintsHAUNT
01-16-2011, 11:18 AM
Larry,

I dont want you to misunderstand my post as a slight...that was not how I meant it. By saying you wanting to show off your latest wares was meant just like you reworded it to be able to show everyone your new stuff for them to learn from...didnt mean it in a derogatory way, maybe I just worded it wrong.

As I've said before it takes guts for a haunt to open up to other haunters for probably the toughest/hardest reviewers you will ever get.

Again I hope to have time for all the events and look forward to them.


Mike "Pogo" Hach

graystone
01-16-2011, 11:42 AM
I am moving on as well. My point to your name ( real name) instead of a screen name is it's so easy to start drama, mislead, and misrepresented when your behind a name. When I came here I was Graystone a name which honesly to this day I HATE now! Why you may ask? Because it was just that always drama with the name. I seperated myself from that because I, ME, MYSELF, SHANE, SHANE DABBS needed to seperate my name from that. Why share a spotlight when one feels he's doing all the work ( trust me its more to work on a haunt than buiding the haunt itself. You have to keep it cleaned, maintained, always promoting, ect) you get the point. I was doing that while I felt others were doing other things and used the excuse oh hell Shane or Shane will get someone to take care of that. A lesson I learned the hard way. Some will agree some will disagree but at the end of the day IT'S MY CHOICE AND I HAVE MOVED ON.

Rarely does anyone here call me Graystone they call me Shane. Why do I want them to call me Shane? Because it's MY NAME no fake or nickname and it comes with a form of respect. The respect I have earned and the respect I give a person to who I know I am talking to. You never hear people call Ben- Netherworld, Larry- The Darkness, Randy -The Bates, Paul- Atrox, Eric -Haunted Overlaod. I as well as others call them by their name out of respect for who they are and what they have done. I don't call my actors hey you or you there ( although I admit it' hard to keep up with everyone). I have had several say hey boss man and they to this day will tell you I say my name is Shane. Whether I be friend, boss, foe, whatever It's the name my Mom gave me and a name in which I am proud of.

I am rambling you get the point and I think we need to agree to disagree and move on. This thread is about people attending the party, Larry's events and so on. There should be NO down playing any event as we all have alot at steak trying to make this the most for everyone. If you see me at TransWorld say hello you might be shocked to find out I am a very honest, loving, caring big hearted person.

Looking back I guess if it were not for Drama and the feeling I was being taken and others were being taken I would have never came here. God puts things in our life to set the course and for that I guess I could tell Keith thanks LOL. Even me and him have moved on to the point to sit at the same table at a private party and eat and talk. I am still far from perfect and will never be but I do try to learn and make things in my life work for me not aginst me. Shane and it's with respect I wish you the best. Shane

screamforadream
01-16-2011, 11:42 AM
DA- Do I need to come on this thread too and make you aware of how unwanted you are. You keep pointing out how Shane was a jerk way back when, and in previous posts or our PM (I honestly don't remember) you also stated how you needed to be more of a jerk so you will be respected. There is something seriously wrong with you mentally. You also yelled at me for asking for peace in a post about vendors/customers arguing and said when I get screwed out of $5k for one prop I'd understand, and now I find out you're just an actor coordinator? Are you kidding me?Not to mention how you ALWAYS bring up how you think these forums are dying... KEEP YOUR OVER-OPINIONATED IGNORANT SELF OFF OF HERE!

For Everyone Else- DA is a name used by a husband/wife couple, both are on here and use the name. It is NOT just one person. Who is the actor coordinator and who is the actor I have no idea. However, I firmly believe we're dealing with a mini-fearnut as the DA account does nothing but criticize and instigate. It is rare to see something nice come from the DA account. I would like to urge EVERYONE to simply ignore DA and give the posts from that account the cold shoulder, it's useless.

Shane- Bud, who cares about the past? I can respect you for becoming who you are today and I think you bring a LOT to the table not only on these forums but to the industry. You didn't even mind when I plugged my 100% charity attraction on your other "who started their 2011 work yet" thread, and even offered to send me some stuff (which I can't wait for btw, thanks again!) It is needless to say that for anyone reading this that crap happens and people change and when it's for the good, just smile and live and let live.

Sorry for butting in on this, seeing as how I'm not able to go to either Transworld or the Party this year, but there are definitely plans in the works for future years :) But I am tired of seeing over and over again how belittling and rude DA can be, and it just jerks me the wrong way more than most people do and I couldn't keep my mouth shut lol. Can't we all just get along?

Darkangel
01-16-2011, 12:11 PM
See Shane, here is the problem. You and I ultimately have at least some respect for each other, we have argued many times but at the end we end up seeing eye to eye even if we disagree, and we move on.

Then as we reach that point, you have some teenager who acts like he's my father in one post, then begs for donations in another, come on to your defense to kick it up again in a post that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM! He's not even going to St Louis for any of this stuff mind your own business. You come on riding in on your high horse then you say can't we all just get along. I'm not going anywhere.

Now Shane, I agree on some points and others I don't. Me saying that my name is James or if my wife posts has no bearing on who we are as active participants on this forum. I'm simply Darkangel on here and that should be sufficient to you and everyone else. It's not about who I am, it's about what I say that you can be critical of or support it, either way it's for everyone to decide.

graystone
01-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Just SHUT UP already and that respect is melting away very fast on my end I assure you. What's wrong with Bobby asking for donations? His haunt is a charity haunt that's what you do. When you build your haunt will you accept donations in the form of help, props, ect my guess you will take them with open arms. I think he's far from a kid and his posting are proof of that.

I don't get it you keep judging and bashing people here calling them actors, start up haunt owners ect yet your what? You keep acting so much better and it's not helping you in light of what we now know really your not even doing anything now so why even get involved? Do me a favor just don't stick your nose in anything I post and I will do the same that way we want keep going over your bashing. Again SHOW OTHERS HERE SOME RESPECT I CAME AND TRIED TO END IT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO AND START UP AGAIN. Let's talk about this in person. I will even give you my room number and you can do it there so no one will see you but me.

Just stop digging a hole and I want feel the need to defend people and clutter this site up with bickering including my own! Also your secret name does bother me some. No one is that secretive about their name unless they have something to hide. You can still be man but a bigger man you will be when you give us some info. You have ours we have nothing to hide, do you? If you want to get involved then be a man and a person and not a "Screen Name" you will get more support and respect out of it. This is it I am through with this and guys do the same get it off your chest and move on I just did.

Hey whos going to all the cool events going on! See everyone there and remember to remind me who you are! Shane and it's see you all soon! Shane

screamforadream
01-16-2011, 12:41 PM
I don't act like I'm your father, I act like a human being. I act like someone who knows how to respect someone else. I don't come riding in here on a high horse, I do my best to answer questions people have, and act like a contributing member of the hauntworld community. You bash these forums all the time and instigate countless of arguments. You do nothing but add fuel to the fire and you don't deserve to be on here. I may be a teenager, and I may be young, but I have been in the haunting business for the majority of my life, and I know a thing or two, and for the things I don't know, I come on here to try and learn. I am paying for my college education out of pocket with little to no help from my parents, and I do the best I can to help as many other people as humanly possible. I've spent about as much time volunteering as you have being a miserable piece of trash. Stay off of these forums if you don't know how to behave.

I'm finished on here, unlike you I know how to stop. You can talk about me if you'd like, I won't say a word. I'll let you dig your own grave.

drfrightner
01-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Couple of things...

FAKE NAMES: Couple of things, I like them because it makes it easy for me to figure out who to approve to join our forums and who to delete. I encourage everyone to have a haunt type name. Also people come to know you by them... is Tater real name Tater?

HOWEVER... when you post here and you slam some vendor or call out some haunted house or make some sort of accusation you had BETTER be using YOUR real name... Hey I'm Bart Jones from Haunted Hill Haunted House in Atlanta and I have an issue with xyz... if you don't do this or if you can't do this we'll delete those threads and in addition I encourage EVERYONE to blow you off 110%.

WHY... because its easy to make accusations, cast blame on people or whatever when you hide behind a mask. With that being said DA if you can't say who you are so we know where you are from and whatever else NO ONE should take some complaint from you serious. I wouldn't.

RATING HAUNTS: Despite what Shane said I think the ONLY way to rate a haunted house is rate teh haunted house itself and NOTHING MORE! The actors are what makes the haunted house scary but because of the multitude of issues that can happen with a live performance if you want to rate a haunt rate it on the haunt itself. Come up with a categories you think should factor in on if the haunt is good or not... you can even make the actors ONE of them but not the sole reason one way or another that the haunt is or isn't good.

Here is my list...

Set Design
Sound
Lighting
Scare Factor
Costumes
Originality
Special FX

You could come up with three more to get ten but if you rate each category equally then no haunt will be rated LOW on actors alone and or the FLIP rated HIGH because of good actors.

A haunted house is a production no different than a broadway show... everything has to be good for something to be great ... if a haunt has great actors and a horrible haunt then in my view they blow. You are either putting on a PRODUCTION or you are just getting a bunch of wild actors together in the dark. I'm sorry but anyone can do the latter.

Larry

graystone
01-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Amen on the name! Larry What I ment is there was no reason for Dark Ass to down play the role of an actor. Of course without the set, location, ect there would be no use for them. A good actor is as good as a signature on a beautiful painting. But never forget there has to be a painting/haunt for them. Shane and it's I am feelin ya! Shane

SomeThingInTheIce
01-16-2011, 05:06 PM
Tater is not really Tater?..... I'm crushed!

Jim Warfield
01-16-2011, 06:12 PM
Compliment one another, or at least they should for maximum effect and that effect is basically being enrtaining and memory making.
Following Larry's logic what about the haunts that all seem to have the Same stuff in them? Shouldn't this factor diminish their rating then? "HHHMMM?"
Then if it works like that a check list would be the haunt's report card of worthiness checking off which props common to a haunt trade show are in the haunt?
This may possibly inspire "Cookie-Cutter" haunting!
"Let's see? Oscar's Haunted Chicken Coop has 3 hanging, jerking men and "Bonzo Dog Man's Kennel only has two of them, so Bonzo's is rated below Oscars. There. All done and So simple.
But would the ticket buying public vote this way with their dollars? Probably not.
Many long-term haunters have been trying for eons to figure out all of the aspects of haunting so as to insure their success or to raise the level of their current successes but...?
Maybe the general public is tired of chickens? Maybe all of those old Scoobie-Do fans flock to Bonzo's? You just really never know ahead of time.
So many variables, all sliding around and half of them remain invisible..for a few seasons...
but wutt do eye no?

shawnc
01-16-2011, 07:48 PM
RATING HAUNTS: Despite what Shane said I think the ONLY way to rate a haunted house is rate teh haunted house itself and NOTHING MORE! The actors are what makes the haunted house scary but because of the multitude of issues that can happen with a live performance if you want to rate a haunt rate it on the haunt itself. Come up with a categories you think should factor in on if the haunt is good or not... you can even make the actors ONE of them but not the sole reason one way or another that the haunt is or isn't good.

Here is my list...

Set Design
Sound
Lighting
Scare Factor
Costumes
Originality
Special FX

You could come up with three more to get ten but if you rate each category equally then no haunt will be rated LOW on actors alone and or the FLIP rated HIGH because of good actors.

A haunted house is a production no different than a broadway show... everything has to be good for something to be great ... if a haunt has great actors and a horrible haunt then in my view they blow. You are either putting on a PRODUCTION or you are just getting a bunch of wild actors together in the dark. I'm sorry but anyone can do the latter.

Larry

I'm sorry but, other than the owners of elaborate haunts, everyone in the world would disagree with that. Actors are an integral part of any haunt, and probably the most important part. How many reviews have we read where someone walks into a really cool scene and the actors were evidently taking a break because there was no one there to provide a scare?

Bradenton Haunted Trail
01-16-2011, 10:43 PM
Wow, the only thing i got out off all this was that DA is pretty negative and that everyone has the right and opportunity to do the party or the tour or hay now both, oh yea DA you can do neither too (and sit at the bar). This will be my first Transworld and I can not wait to do both but this really should not even be a issue. And thank you Shane and Larry for spending your time and money to add something to a event that is not even yours (Transworld). I greatly appreciate the time you guy's spend to make this event even better. Oh by the way I run a charity Haunt for 5 yrs now.

Can't we all just get along,
Shawn
http://bradentonhauntedtrail.com

brad
01-16-2011, 11:58 PM
I plan on attending both shows, but its gonna be difficult since i was planning on wearing a really elaborate costume.
Hopefully i can figure out time frames soon, to make sure i enjoy both events equally.

graystone
01-17-2011, 09:05 AM
I think I can speak for both me and Larry when we say we really appreciate the support. Larry has a place you can both see and learn from and it's a lot you can learn there. What I offer is a place to network with others, have a good dinner ( your going to want to eat or need to anyway), drink (if you do again I don't) and it want be in a crowed bar, you get a chance at some expensive awsome gifts that vendos have give away! So you win at both places really! Shane and it's hope to see you there. Shane