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NightmareAftershockLLC
03-01-2011, 12:08 PM
Has anyone here ever used JakPrints for Tickets? My issue is I am designing my tickets with their format, but they print CMYK... my reds look more pink in CMYK, even with my CMYK color profile set on my mac...

If anyone has used them, and the colors turned out good, let me know =)

Nightgore
03-01-2011, 12:15 PM
We haven't used them for tickets...but about 98% of ALL printers will use the same CMYK printing. It's an industry standard. Yes colors, especially reds, are not as "vibrant" or have that "pop" factor, but it's cheaper printing. To have files printed digitally using RGB color is highly more expensive. Sometimes a good gloss can help bring out more color or vibrance, but really, CMKY although cheaper is NOT a desired way to print artwork.

I hope the day comes that CMYK goes by the way side...that could be far off though. Honestly, what you're seeing is what you'll get and there isn't really ANY other option! At least that I know of!

-Tyler

NightmareAftershockLLC
03-01-2011, 12:38 PM
Honestly, what you're seeing is what you'll get and there isn't really ANY other option! At least that I know of!

That was the case in my college classes a few years ago.. the CMYK printer sucks. I guess I will either have to re-design my color scheme to match what CMYK excels in, or figure out another option.. =/

derek6star
03-01-2011, 04:25 PM
last year was first year using them all colors were correct. they did a great job on all our print stuff for both haunt locations SPOOKYRANCH and HAUNTVILLE . JAK PRINTS are GREAT

jakprintsHAUNT
03-01-2011, 06:20 PM
Derek thanks for the compliment! You going to be at Transworld? We will have some of your stuff on display at our booth this year. I actually tried emailing you during season to come out and visit and never heard back. Got some new stuff we'd like to show you too, if you are there be sure to stop by our booth (129).

As stated by others CMYK is print standard. If a printer other than screen printing is telling you they print RGB they are either not telling you they are converting or are likely not printing high quality offset. Many times I will start in RGB only becuase the items will be used both for internet and print...and CMYK will not display properly if at all on web.

My suggestion(s) on the art, and really depends on what you are trying to achieve, but Ive gotten similar results by doing some of the following if you really dont want to start in CMYK:



Designing and sending in in RGB, letting us convert for you then getting an epson proof to ensure color accuracy visually. If you are concenred about color this is generally
Designing in RGB and converting to CMYK on your screen so you can see the results and make some tweaks if necessary. Typically when I do design I will sometimes only need to bump up the contrast a tad to brighten things up.
Using a better program like Illustrator for most of your work, especially text and anything vector you can use. You can get really close by making custom CMYK colors. Do a search online for CMYK color compositions and you can usually find some good resources to help get color makeups..this can also be done in Photoshop but not as easily or with as good of results.
If you have a really specific corporate color or something that has to be a very specific or specialty color like fluorescents, we can do spot colors as well.

Hopefully this somewhat answers your question(s)?

And just a note that CMYK is by no means a "cheaper" or low quality printing method...Offset printing will be much better quality than something printed at Kinkos. You should not have any problems with colors still coming out vibrant...again if there is something specific color wise you want to achieve, spot colors are an option. We stay ahead of the curve on technology and have 2 very high end Offset 5 color presses as well as a brand new ahead of its time Digital press (one of the first companies in the country to have one) to meet different needs.

Let me know any other help you might need.

Mike "Pogo" Hach

jakprintsHAUNT
03-01-2011, 06:27 PM
Keegan,

Will you be at Transworld? We will have a ton of great samples on hand to show off....feel free to stop by booth 129 to check them out!


Mike "Pogo" Hach

elowther
03-01-2011, 06:50 PM
I would have to agree with Mike.

I have been in the printing industry since 1991. Almost everything is printed this way, magazines, flyers, books, posters or anything that requires a long print run. That won't be going away anytime soon. You can get very bright reds if you use the right colors in your design. Something like 100 Magenta 100 yellow and add black if you want to make it a deeper red like a fire engine Red. Epson proofs sent to you are the best like Mike said and will be extremely accurate to what you get in the final printed piece. You should never rely on your computer screen for color. Most of them are not calibrated and vary wildly, giving you a false sense of the color that will actually be printed. If you look at Jakprints flyer in HauntWorld the red in that does not look pink.

It is true that if you design something in RGB super bright and then convert it to CMYK certian colors will get duller. Look at the image on screen when you convert and watch it change. Some colors are out of gamut for CMYK and will never match unless you use a custom mixed color which may be more expensive. You can make adjustments to compensate like bumping up the colors that got dull in the conversion.

Hope this helps,

Eric

Nightgore
03-01-2011, 07:24 PM
I just want to make it clear that in no way am I insinuating that JakPrints does not do quality work...actually very the opposite! JakPrints does AMAZING work work, we get our t-shirts through them. I'm just speaking what I know about the CMYK printing standard, that's is all. I hope that's clear. -Tyler

jakprintsHAUNT
03-01-2011, 09:04 PM
Tyler,

No prob...sorry if I sounded defensive. Just offering up info, and wanted to mention our equipment and processes. Even in the screen printing field we have been featured in Printwear magazine, and just recently upgraded our already ahead of the curve screen system as well.

Nike "Pogo" Hach

LightsAlive
03-01-2011, 09:05 PM
Mike and Eric are right on. Colors aren't as bright when printed, because the color gamut for printed media is smaller than the color gamut for your monitor. The color space gets compressed moving from a larger RGB color space on your monitor to a smaller CMYK print space.

Look at the difference between magazine color and newspaper color. Both are CMYK, but the newsprint has a smaller color space and doesn't look as good as the glossy magazine. But, for printing, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and Black are subtractive primary colors, and that's the way it has to be done. Red, Green, and Blue are additive primaries. Red, Green, and Blue light together make white. C, M, and Y ink/paint mix together to create black. You want brighter colors, pay for glossy stock and perhaps varnish. But your color printing will be (must be) CMYK.

NightmareAftershockLLC
03-02-2011, 01:06 AM
WOW WOW WOW!

Thank you to EVERYONE who responded. I now feel alot better.. and Mike I wasn't trying to cut you either, just wanted to know more about hard prints, as I'm used to digital photography and web print, not hard print! =)

I will not be in TW, I'm deployed until December...

I am working on CS5, so I have been working in my CMYK the whole time... and I tried a 100M 100Y and it came out pretty decent, but still looks pinkish. Like Eric said though, that is probably due to the differing screen variations across all design platforms...

Mike, If I send over something in PSD format, CMYK, and you run a hard proof, is it half price to get another proof done after the first proof cost like some companies do if I decide to change a color, etc?

I have learned alot over the years with RGB, but you guys really came through on educating me regarding CMYK, and for that I am most appreciative! =)

jakprintsHAUNT
03-02-2011, 01:25 AM
Most reproofs are on a case by case basis...we always work with you the best we can with color matching, edits etc...

Mike "Pogo" Hach

NightmareAftershockLLC
03-02-2011, 03:15 AM
Mike, while I'm sitting here designing these... As far as ticket numbering... I want a number both on the stub, and on the base ticket itself... is this possible? When applying the areas where I want the ticket numbering, does it have to be a white box? Or Can I send over my Font Type with the PSD so that you can custom print the numbers on each ticket in the specified locations?

jakprintsHAUNT
03-02-2011, 03:20 AM
Instead of crowding up with message board with us chatting (believe me I dont mind the exposure...lol, but some might frown on it), shoot me an email at haunt@jakprints.com

But to answer this one for those interested in numbering...there are a lot of different ways to do it, in the end depends on quantity, colors, style, and most importantly for most budget, etc...we can do numbering stamped or printed and then within those there are also a lot of options. We make it possible for you to make the project yours and as custom as you want...


Mike "Pogo" Hach

MDKing
03-02-2011, 05:45 AM
From what I've seen and heard from Jakprints it's all great quality and customer service.

Allan

Scott Wolfson
03-02-2011, 07:45 AM
Hi,
All commercial printers print in CMYK. If you want a deeper red, then you can adjust your red in your document to match the red that you want. Feel free to contact me with a more detailed answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_yMo3JsNlo (sales@weprintquick.com)
Thanks-Scott

NightmareAftershockLLC
03-02-2011, 08:48 AM
Mike, I dropped you an email. =)

Raycliff Manor
03-02-2011, 09:36 AM
Just a quick chime in to say that Mike / Jak Prints took excellent care of us last year! We had shirts and stickers done by them and they came out awesome! Mike, if you have samples of either, please feel free to use them as examples of your work. The Raycliff shirts and the Raycliff Revolution shirts came out amazing! Last year's shirts are by far the best we've ever had! Thanks and see you at the show my friend!

Kel

LightsAlive
03-02-2011, 09:37 AM
For our printing class next week, we'll discuss dot gain. Homework assignments will be graded at Transworld.

BruiseMuse
03-02-2011, 09:54 AM
We've been using Jakprints since 2002 and they have always delivered top notch products. We've used them for shirts, banners, business cards, etc and never had any issues with color. They're staff is incredibly helpful and are always willing to field questions and concerns about any projects.

Spikerip
03-02-2011, 06:39 PM
We too started working with Mike at Jakprints. They printed our tickets last season and they looked fantastic. We had them numbered and we didn't have any issues with them. Mike was quick to turn our order around too.

We've also utilized Jakprints as our printer for the Midwest Haunters Convention. They did a great job with our posters and more!

I would recommend them to anyone consider them for their printing needs.

Kelly Collins
Spikerip
The Scare-A-Torium
The Midwest Haunters Convention

jakprintsHAUNT
03-02-2011, 07:24 PM
Wow!

Thank you everyone for all the kind comments! It has been a pleasure helping everyone!

Also just to note..Jakprints is a lot more than just me...I'm a big part of the marketing and haunt customer end of things, but it takes a lot more than me to bring you the quality products we do. I wanted to bring our products and sevices to the Haunt Industry because I stand behind them and wanted to share that with an industry I have loved and been a part of since 1992. It has been awesome to be able to mesh the "day job" with something that also has such a big part in my life.

We have a team of 125+ employees that bring you all of our great products and services, in addition to state of the art equipment and technology (much of it ahead of the curve in 90% of the printing industry today).

Look forward to seeing everyone at Transworld, as well as meeting some new faces. We'll be there all week and attending many of the extra events. This will be my first year attending Transworld as a vendor and we are very excited! I have been coming to the Transworld show as a buyer since 1996, and have only missed it twice (once the year it went solo to vegas, and the first year in St. Louis).

Come say hi to us at booth #129...we'll be in the corner by the food court right by the Zombie Army!


Mike "Pogo" Hach

danglin
03-02-2011, 07:40 PM
We chose Jakprints to use for Folklore's inaugeral season, and we were very impressed! They did tickets and postcard fliers for us, and we will be using them again next year! Great customer service, quick turnaround, and all in all a very impressive company!

NightmareAftershockLLC
03-03-2011, 01:51 AM
Dewayne, I sent you a PM regarding the tickets you used this past season.

danglin
03-03-2011, 09:54 PM
Keegan,

Check your messages, I just sent you a PM.

Mike, check your messages as well. I sent you a PM about some information that I need from you before next week!