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markgordy39
03-25-2011, 01:30 AM
I'm not getting any younger and the ol body is starting to brake down ;) so i was wondering how everyone feels about having to crawl around in some haunts? I don't mind ducking under something but the crawling is hell on the knees :lol:



Gordy
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Badger
03-25-2011, 07:35 AM
As long as the haunt owner clearly states at the beginning that there are areas where you may have to crawl, I don't have an issue with it. I know some haunts that have detours around the crawling areas. Make sure you know what you're getting into before paying...

I'm 43 with a trick knee and usually check beforehand if I'm going to a new haunt that has low areas...

Dreamreaper
03-25-2011, 08:33 AM
I don't care for it, I also hate the claustrophobia that I call "snot rags" I do like the low pillows that you have to walk through like a swamp. I have only crawled through one haunt and I found out after there was a detour so I would suggest that you add one also.

MDKing
03-25-2011, 10:06 AM
I don't care much for them either. You have to look at your haunt and determine if it adds anything to your show. If you're going for realism doing let's say a victorian mansion theme, do you think they would build thier house using crawl spaces to get from one room to the other? Maybe it could be an attic? I think they are better for a "fun house" type show than for a haunted house. I also think they are a throughput killer and for those with special needs you have to have a bypass and make that clearly visible.

Allan

Jim Warfield
03-25-2011, 11:20 AM
To have the task of cleaning a crawl space? Someone pukes in there? Spiders? Worse?
I used to have a crawl space and of course some loved it, some hated it. The first thing I did was put double padding under the carpet and then used thick, nice carpet, making it as user-friendly as possible.
Anyone at any age can and will have various problems, walking, bending, crawling.
I would try to make it more enjoyable for everyone by singing to them as they crawled, mostly old favorites like "Getting to Nose You!" (Getting to nose all about you!)
The Classic Beatles tune:"I Should have Nose better with a girl like you!" (That I would love everything that you do!)
WILD CHICAGO-Tv show loved my singing , asked me to re-sing to make sure they picked it all up, then lost their nerve and my singing debue found it's home on the cutting room floor!
I was told they re-broadcast that show 35 times in 3 years! People kept voting to see it again!
Most anyone could tell we were all having fun here when they filmed it. I think that was a large part of it's popularity.

spookologist
03-25-2011, 12:59 PM
We have used them over the years but have had a bypass.
Here are some of the uses: An oven (several times), morgue drawer, duct work, alien space ship, entrance to Halloweentown, fog hallway etc . We get some complaints but its a great distraction.

Wayne

Novus
03-25-2011, 01:28 PM
It always added a fun element to our attractions. Yea, it is kinda a throughput killer, but smaller haunts can definitely pull it off. We had customers crawl through an oven and over a collection of beds.

screamforadream
03-25-2011, 07:29 PM
Always have a detour! But they can be fun, my fried designed a scene last year where it was a short oven as part of a crematorium that was pitch black on the inside, with a plexiglas window near the end on th bottom of the tunnel, where an actor had a red strobe light and burnt makeup. So as people's faces were over the glass, he'd switch on the red strobe light to light up his face and started clawing at the window and freaking out. It was great!

Front Yard Fright
03-25-2011, 07:43 PM
Crawling is something I've never liked in haunts. People come to get scared, not to go through boot camp.

Raycliff Manor
03-26-2011, 12:13 PM
I would recommend you find out if your local officials approve of it before you put any time and effort into it. We are not permitted to have dead ends or spaces that require crawling. The reason for this is so that, in the event of an emergency, evacuation is quick and easy. I know many places just require the alternate "no crawl" option in case of emergency and then allow it. Not so in our case. As you've probably heard, interpretation and enforcement varies from place to place. The last thing you want though is to find out in the middle of operation that you are being shut down until you can make modifications and schedule a walk-through, at the inspector's convenience, before you can re-open. Also, check your insurance policy and make sure they don't have any restrictions against it as well. Our first year policy didn't allow crawling, stairs and live animals to name a few. Just a heads up and word of caution.;)

Kel

thrilltainment
03-26-2011, 01:44 PM
I'm not getting any younger and the ol body is starting to brake down ;) so i was wondering how everyone feels about having to crawl around in some haunts? I don't mind ducking under something but the crawling is hell on the knees :lol:



Gordy
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not only consider this from a safety or regulation point of view, consider it from a business perspective:

how is crawling going to impact your haunt throughput? if you're not pumping through that many people per night, maybe it's a cool effect... if you have over 600 people standing in line, a 30+ second delay could negatively impact your business.

If crawling is a must in a high-capacity haunt, consider multiple paths.

Jim Warfield
03-26-2011, 02:10 PM
Before they crawl, make 25cents per/person when they have to check their footwear in a locker.
Duct the fumes from the lockers into the haunt for hideous, vomit-inspiring PU's!
(Just helping everyone "Go -Green"!)

thrilltainment
03-27-2011, 12:40 AM
Before they crawl, make 25cents per/person when they have to check their footwear in a locker.
Duct the fumes from the lockers into the haunt for hideous, vomit-inspiring PU's!
(Just helping everyone "Go -Green"!)

don't forget to charge them again for retrieving the shoes.

Jim Warfield
03-27-2011, 08:36 AM
A woman working in a bowling alley get the bowling shoes for the customers, then after sticking her hands inside of the old shoes turn and grab the raw hamburger, make a patty with those same unwashed hands..YUM!??
"What is that "Flavor"?
"Sweaty-feet-meat"

dungmaster
03-27-2011, 12:31 PM
Absolutely no crawling whatsoever! I've had to do it twice in my many times through haunts - the first time I was with a group of all ages, including elderly people, and not only did we all have to crawl, but unbeknownst to us until it was too late to do anything about it, they had us crawl into the back of a van and then took off with such speed and such a jolt that several of us were injured in the process - definitely not cool.

The next time, again it was a mixed group of ages, etc., going through and the actors directing people were looking at people, deciding by appearance who would crawl and who could take the alternate route around the crawl space. You cannot always see people's disabilities by looking. I know for a fact that one of us had a herniated disk in the back and had no business crawling and kept asking repeatedly if there was an alternate route but was told the only way to get through was by crawling. Another in the group who runs marathons regularly and could easily have crawled through was told about the alternate route.

I say absolutely no crawling, but if you are going to have a crawl space, then give EVERY single person the same opportunity to crawl through or use the alternate route, and ALWAYS have an alternate route.

devolino
03-27-2011, 04:40 PM
It could be fun in the right situations [i agree with the fun house thing that someone said earlier] but sounds like more trouble with fire marshalls/handicap accessibility laws than it would be worth.

graystone
03-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Hell NO! Who wants to get all nasty! Shane and it's more trouble than it could ever be worth! Shane

Blade-of-the-moon
03-07-2012, 05:12 AM
We've used a crawling area for 3 years now ( with alternate route ) and just about everyone goes through the crawl area instead..we get a lot of repeat business from people who went through and want to see their friends do it as well.

There does seem to be a limit as to how long people will put up going..ours is about 40'. We vary it up each year a bit, but so far everyone has loved it..I think it makes them feel like kids again..at least for the older folks. One elderly lady laughed the whole way through swatting at people with her cane..she was a hoot to joke around with as well.

I guess a lot depends on the individual as well.

Frightener
03-09-2012, 08:19 AM
Even at my mid 30's, haven't bench pressed since my back injury 12 years ago. No running. Fatter, 80lbs overweight (according to charts) and I STILL LOVE having to crawl! BUT! and I do mean BUT... ONLY if it's cool! If it ain't cool, don't fkin make me hurt for a dark wall with a hole at the bottom.

1. I've NEVER been to a haunt, that if you crawled, you had an option.
2. Jaycee's haunt the next town over, had 3 holes in a dark maze you had to crawl through and they were barely waist high.
3. I've been to a few that were cool. Like going through a spider tunnel. It had strings hanging and a cool static spider with strobe and sound when you got so far in it.

But, what I was wanting to do, is have a crawl through a large oven for cremation. But only have the crawl a few feet and on soft flooring. There'll be an actor whose SOLE JOB is to direct folks through the path or alternate route, and clean the 6 feet of flooring between groups. I have it drawn up to where, once they get through the door of it, they're not enclosed. It just looks that way. It'll be dark and when the door shuts (patrons thinking they're in a tube) the sound starts, big buzzer outside the door sounding, and then lights, warm air rushing in and flicker flames all around them come up at the same time. Then the lights come up and they realize they weren't in a tube.

Safe, scary and they have the false sensation that "hey, WTH??? " lol.
I have some tinted glass to be used as a window. People can see in, but people can't see out. So anyone in the group going the alternate route, can watch them as the scare happens. I'm still working on the crawl, it may not require hands and knees, but at least a big dip with a handle bar for support. I'm intending on them standing up once inside. THey'll walk through a dark curtain to exit on the opposite end.

Hope I explained it enough for you to get it. The only thing is, my design requires so much space, that it'll be one of the biggest rooms.

For me, I think crawling is cool, if you can make it great for people who have to go around too. Make it worth the trouble in other words. I don't think I'll have a full crawl until I get a huge building where I can build bigger rooms.

Blade-of-the-moon
03-09-2012, 03:21 PM
I think I've only had to escort a handful of people around the opposite route, they included some whiny teenagers, a mother with a baby, a veteran who was injured and a cop. Most people it does freak out but they love the challenge.

I've changed ours a couple times so far..one was a longer crawl then dumped out in a pit of stuffed animals with an actor in it. Last year we installed a ball pit so crawl halfway and then drop out into the pit then have to get back into the tunnel to escape. This year I'm thinking to keep the same length but make it square instead of straight with more turns. You will actually be entering right beside where you exit but with a separation between it.

Frightener
03-09-2012, 04:08 PM
I LOL'd! I pictured that stuffed animal room quite well in fact. Love the idea. I bet he was in a suit of animals himself huh?

I plan on making a cave that's just barely over 6' tall. At 6 foot, 90% of the folks can stand under it, but they'll STILL walk through crouched, I love it :P

Blade-of-the-moon
03-09-2012, 05:35 PM
I LOL'd! I pictured that stuffed animal room quite well in fact. Love the idea. I bet he was in a suit of animals himself huh?

I plan on making a cave that's just barely over 6' tall. At 6 foot, 90% of the folks can stand under it, but they'll STILL walk through crouched, I love it :P

Yep ! Well for half the season he was. Those stuffed animal ghillie suits are heavy and it's easy to keep losing pieces of them...so we switched to a large stuffed bunny costume mid-season...worked much better for the actor.

Our Tunnel is about 4' high or so ..we had it at 5' last year and found out most people just squatted or hunched over and didn't actually crawl. With a 1' reduction they had to and that put them more up close to the scares and effects we had in there.