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screamline studios
07-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Does anyone see anything wrong with the news reporting they may not give social security checks out next month?? I know i wont be retiring anytime soon but what the f**k !!!!!!!! were is my money going and what about yours!!!! We need to start this hacky ass goverment over again and the people should never let This county be run again by a bunch of greedy ass politicians again. P.s were the hell is my money i put into this????

wickedfarmer
07-13-2011, 09:16 PM
I'm in no rush to chime in on this yet with substance. But treasonist rebels run in the family. The fifth & sixth generation of Benjamins in the new world (family landed in Boston harbor in 1632) fought in the American Revolution...only one lived through it.

Wicked Farmer

screamline studios
07-13-2011, 09:29 PM
At least some people will stand up for what is right!!!!

jakprintsHAUNT
07-13-2011, 11:58 PM
I know a lot of people that would be affected by that in the immediate, and obviously a lot more in the future. Lets hope they figure something out. Lots of craziness in the government news this year. I still havent gotten over that they actually talked about "shutting down the government" a couple months back if a bill wasn't passed or plans changed, that was just dumbfounding. I will confess that I don't follow a lot of the political stuff (even though it affects me and I should) in detail, but just some of the things that have been going on are rediculous.


Mike "Pogo" Hach

Jim Warfield
07-14-2011, 12:28 AM
Most of us could totally ignore politics AND politicians and everything seemed to go along pretty good for most of the population...most of the time...not any more.
Could this be a part of many problems facing the country? 3% of the population have 90 to 95% of the income and money and own almost all of the things worth owning.
How did this happen? It all began when people with steel and gun powder met people already here who were stone age un-techinical and foisted pieces of "Legal" papers for them to sign in trade for a handfull of shabby, cheap trinkets.
So now how Does it feel to be an economic-stone age indian ? Quad-drupple teamed by hordes of lawyers, accountants working for the richest people who bought and paid for OUR politicians? "Ownership" does have it's rights afterall.
Employment opportunities still exist being a strong-arm guy traveling around the planet securing wealth and property for those same 3% who already own almost everything but they are still chasing those few newly discovered markets and natural resources to own it ALL.
At least finally after almost 300 years we have finally heard some actual honesty coming from the Republican party, they aren't tap-dancing around it anymore, they have very publically declared themselves as being owned by the Billionaires that so deserve and need tax breaks. The rest of us can just hold our breath at the bottom of the river.
Some Democrats are still meandering in their temptation private "hell" as large amounts of bullion are waved before their unblinking gaze.

wickedfarmer
07-14-2011, 07:20 AM
For way too long everyone just wanted to ignore the 900# gorilla breathing down our neck hoping it would go away. Some one above mentioned not being informed as much as they maybe should be. That I suggest is at the heart of our current problem; more so than politicians or the greediest CEO on Wall Street. My cousin is in D.C. and is on House Appropriations ....I get more info than I care to. You will hear a lot these next few weeks about we MUST raise the debt limit or face economic armegeddon. The simpletons forget the important part..."we must plan on cutting debt". It is almost humorus to hear left leaning media try to hammer home to citizens the chaos we face by not expanding debt. Look at history of past nations folks. There have been doomsayers from beginning of time probably. But we just close our eyes and cant imagine it would really get bad...and hope the gorilla walks away.

Why does this belong on the forum.....because I believe in 15 years unless we get the nations debt under control.....haunted houses will be a thing of the past.

Wicked Farmer

Baron Von Goolo
07-14-2011, 02:54 PM
There are 85 million sensationalist political doomsayer sites out there, but only one HauntWorld forum. Do we really have to do this here, in our happy place?

SomeThingInTheIce
07-14-2011, 03:43 PM
Amen on that, I know the world is falling apart I don't need to read about it here. Now I need to go make some money, so I can pay taxes so someone who drives a better car then me can get their free food.

There are 85 million sensationalist political doomsayer sites out there, but only one HauntWorld forum. Do we really have to do this here, in our happy place?

screamline studios
07-14-2011, 04:49 PM
Hey look guys i am not doomsdaying anything but to turn a blind eye is foolish!!!!! This could affect all of us, i just dont like it so i brought it up to you guys who i like to call friends of this industry thats all .

Wellinton
07-14-2011, 05:28 PM
Canadians love Americans!! Move north if it gets too bad!!

Mike Goff
07-14-2011, 07:11 PM
It's probably not going to happen because nobody wants to talk about it, and apparently some don't want you talking about it either.
We are getting what we deserve. We have allowed this to happen by being apathetic. We have been trading freedom for safety and security at an alarming rate.

Americans don't want to be free, they want someone else to manage things for them.
What would our founders think if they knew that you had to have a SS number in order to work and a permit to open a haunted house, or any business for that matter. Any minute someone will validate my point by saying how necessary it is to have a permit process. And I will be thinking to myself, Yup, they don't want to be free, in fact they have been so conditioned that they don't even know what freedom is.

As for the industry, if the US does not default on it's debt this summer, I think that the Haunt season will be very good for most. It seems inevitable that at some point over the course of the next few years the Schumer is going to hit the fan. When it does I think that not only will the haunt industry be turned upside down, but life as we know it will change forever.

I think that it is a very legitimate question to ask, what will the haunted house industry look like in 5 years? They say that during the Great Depression, the movie theatres were very popular, I suspect that if things get too bad, people will probably shy away from a form of entertainment that invokes fear. It makes sense to me that they would want entertainment that makes you laugh. While it is true that people laugh at thier friends when they get scared, I don't think that the perception that people have about haunted houses is that they are funny.

I am curious, as to what my fellow haunters think will happen to the industry if this house of cards comes tumbling down.

Twin Locusts
07-14-2011, 08:30 PM
There are 85 million sensationalist political doomsayer sites out there, but only one HauntWorld forum. Do we really have to do this here, in our happy place?

...sage...

Twin Locusts
07-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Canadians love Americans!! Move north if it gets too bad!!

Some of the most genuinely friendly people I've ever met were in Canada, while I was in Canada, not when they were in the U.S.

Was at a conference in Toronto once, needed some emergency personal use items, so I ducked into a small tobacco shop type place in the plaza connected to the hotel. I was like two dollars short and had nothing but my hotel key with me - the guy behind the counter says pay me when you get a chance tomorrow. I couldn't believe it. Went back and paid him the next day, he remembered me as soon as I walked in.

Another time I was coming home from Rome, flight had been delayed for hours at Da Vinci, flight was whatever 11 hours, connection was in Toronto. I was sitting behind a pack of gypsies that hadn't bathed yet that Summer, when I got off the flight just being in North America felt so much like home I wanted to kiss the runway.

Canadians are O damn K in my book

badass
07-15-2011, 08:09 AM
any society that would give up
just a little liberty
to gain a just lil safety and security
deserve neither and will loose both

Ben Franklin

what a change of attitude we have undergone
this is not what our founding fathers had in mind

my advice is to plant a garden and can your food
get a gun and all the ammo u can....
get right with the lord..
and freakin raise your kids to appreciate life and liberty....and .everything will work out just fine..haha

soo today legislation is being considered in my local gov
called a yard maintenance code..
beside having your grass only be so high
yard furniture is not allowed to be left in the yard...go America

every single legislation passed is for the heath, safety and welfare of the slaves... i mean citizens

Mad Wax Sculptor
07-15-2011, 01:12 PM
I honestly feel we are over due for a change . The question is what can you do ? They have made it where even questioning authority is considered an act of terrorism. Terrorist have become the new communists. As long as no one says anything we are accepting it and just as guilty by allowing it to happen

screamline studios
07-15-2011, 08:49 PM
Mad wax !!! I dont think your ass or mine will make a difference but the masses coming together will !!!! Most everyone brings up good point however how do people stand up for what is right and how do you gather the masses to make the change??

Jim Warfield
07-17-2011, 08:54 AM
Via Facebook and other such things, until the Gov, shuts it down or assesses a huge fee(tax?) so nobody can afford to be on-line except those who think nothing of spending such money on something that doesnot directly put food in their stomach of keep a solid roof overhead.
Some Governmental bodies have also tried to make it illegal to catch rain water. Why? Because huge companys told them to legislate such things because the big company is going to sell us their water . This was tried in South America and that government kicked the big international company's butt OUT! This was brought up for a vote in Illinois several years ago and got voted down then when everyone just saw it as "Silly" without knowing the scheme behind it.
Maybe next time the big dollar company will have their votes pre-paid for and it will slide through.
.. then when you get you bill from the company selling you your sunshine and breathing air, maybe then we will become concerned?

Mutant Space Gerbil
07-18-2011, 12:22 AM
Big bad companies, people with to much money..............all companies are started with a dream by one person or a small group of people who want more from life.... Too much money???? whats the point of working hard and building something from nothing....oh and those people that you a demigoging are the ones who pay most of the taxes in this country. The very things you are bitchin about is what makes this country great. The only thing I agree with is that the vast number of corrupt politicians is unfathomable. But thats why we vote and if we started voting for PEOPLE NOT PARTIES that would do their job and make the hard decisions instead of catering to everyones WANTS we would be better off in the long run. Right now we have a welfare state full of gimmie more, I need it, you owe me mentalities. What they need is to start doing for themselves. Take some damn responsibility for yourself.........I make a good living and I would be a damn fool if I werent saving for my own retirement. Social security should go away and it will.... this is the first year without a surplus that the govt borrows against and it will only get worse.. just my 2 cents, no I will keep it and add it to my SAVINGS.

Mike Goff
07-18-2011, 08:44 AM
The founding fathers were brilliant men. They chose thier words carefully and based thier decisions upon experience. It was thier bad experience with the East India Trading Company (arguably the entity that ultimately led to the War for Independence) that led them to limit a corporation to only deal in one commodity, to exist for a period of 20 to 30 years (enough time to accomplish a specific goal, or large project), and they could only be formed when given a charter by the State. In other words, they had to justify thier existence. The East India Trading Company acted much like corporations of today act. They buy politicians to distort the market, in thier favor, with draconian regulations and taxes that they themselves are exempt from. Once the mom and pop competition is run out, they then swallow up the resources and corner not just a market, but all markets.
I agree with you completely on principle, I too am a commited capitalist, but, it is very clear to me, that the founding fathers did not view corporations in the same light that they viewed "The People" and neither do I. People have been so conditioned to jobs, jobs, jobs, that they never think to make a living on thier own.

I hear it all the time, what would happen to all of the jobs if the corporations went away. The same thing that always happens when a void is created, it gets filled by something else. If the automotive industry were completely deregulated and a flat tax were implemented, I strongly suspect that things would be like they used to be. Instead of the big 3, there would be dozens, if not hundreds, maybe a thousand small car companies all over the country. People would be building and selling cars out of thier garage. (I would!!!) They would be earning a good living, providing local jobs, and probably be producing much higher quality at a lower price.

I have no problem whatsoever with rich people, in fact, I admire them and study them in order to improve my own standard of living. I have a serious problem with a large group of people who pool thier resources in order to dominate a field, and then use the wealth that they have accumulated to influence policy. By doing so, they are slamming the door shut on anyone else's ability to accumulate wealth and in the end, they infringe on thier liberties. I make no distinction between corporations and labor unions. They both pool thier resources to dominate, they bully others out of the field and they use thier combined wealth to buy political favors. Which is worse, GE or SEIU, I honestly don't know. If politicians didn't have all of that power, no one would try to buy thier votes. (interesting concept, maybe that is why the founders warned of centralized power.)

Everyone think out of the box for a minute... Break away from your political conditioning and think about this.

Democrats bitch about big business, Republicans bitch about big government. I say that big business and big government are one in the same and all you party animals are being fooled into supporting one or the other.
I think that George Carlin said it best "The owners of this country will never fix the education system, because they want you to be just smart enough to fix and run thier machines, but dumb enough to keep doing more for less"

Educate yourselves and stop voting away my liberty!

Barry
07-19-2011, 05:39 AM
For me, I am more scared of the bigger picture. I see the world becoming more and more polarized every day. It is almost like Stephen King's "The Stand" (I still worked in a haunt reference). The real question is what side will you be on?

wickedfarmer
07-19-2011, 12:43 PM
"The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome fall" -Cicero 55 B.C.

Darkangel
07-19-2011, 12:51 PM
Great quote Wickedfarmer, great quote!

DA

lurker
07-19-2011, 05:09 PM
Barry,

The Stand is one of my all time favorite books! You know Randall Flagg doesn't die at the end. He wakes up on a beach somewhere in South America, and starts all over again.
So, chose a side and chose a different side next time around. The battle just continues on and on.... no one ultimately wins.

Two things need to be done in DC, a part from sending all the buzzards home and starting completely fresh. One is there needs to be a constitutional amendment that requires a balanced budget. It is common sense, but beings their isn't any then it needs to be spelled out for them in the constitution. And, the second thing that needs to be done is the tax system needs to be tossed out completely. Instead, there should be a flat % on everyone rich or poor. Make the richest pay 5% and make the poorest pay 5%. No loop holes and no BS.


Randall Flagg for President!

Jim Warfield
07-19-2011, 08:04 PM
At least for the poorer of us.
The wealthy won't be starving or hungry but a whole lot of the rest of us sure will be. Or maybe just living in houses with no electricity or gas or a rain-shedding roof?
I don't wish to see my fellow countrymen in such hard times.
If they can afford food, maybe they can afford to be my haunt customer too?

Jim Warfield
07-19-2011, 09:10 PM
To think of others as "Lazy", "Stupid" or maybe just unlucky, if they have no job or have a job that pays insignificant wages by our standards. Thinking like this does make it easier to discount a whole lot of other people and disreguard their basic needs and their human worth doesn't it?
"HEY! I got Mine!" Now get to work and find or make Yours!"
Sharpen your ax and clear your 160 acres of virgin land, start swinging, don't stop til you have the crops planted and that cabin built before the snow flys....things have changed. Different tools are needed.
I used to carry groceries out to a brand new "factory" super street hot rod as they laughed and were on food stamps as I worked 60 hours each week and struggled to pay off a Pinto. Yes, I have been there. They squealed the tires as they accellerated away, infants bouncing loosely in the car seats...it can make you mad, it can make you wonder???
The "Rich" pay all the taxes? Why not (if this was the case) our people's army and our bodies and lives protect their investments around the world. they get richer we get killed , wounded, ignored, lose our civilian jiobs, lose our homes lose full benefits afterwards.

wickedfarmer
07-20-2011, 12:00 PM
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply can not exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on. the majority always votes for the canidates who promise the most benefits from public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy...history professor University of Edinborough in 1887 remarking on fall of Athenian Rerpublic and democracy throughtout history.

This is nothing new folks. I knew the last presidential election fate was sealed when news showed lady saying "Obama is going to take care of my mortgage".

Wicked Farmer

xtremecreator
07-20-2011, 01:49 PM
The numbers I heard were if we stopped spending today and started paying 100 million a week ...it would take nearly 300 years to pay it off...............

Our money is going to be worthless, thats why I believe everyone is buying gold & silver.
The world might shut our dollar down.
There are already U.S. businesess that will not take U.S. dollars!

This is going to be bad.........................How in the hell are we going to get out of this?

I dont see it!

John

Mike Goff
07-20-2011, 02:58 PM
Odds are that there are people out there, that would like to allow poor people to suffer and to see senior citizens eat cat food. I personally have never met such a person. I doubt that anyone on this forum is like that, and I absolutely reject the idea that an entire political party is that cruel, I say this, despite the fact that I cannot stand Republicans. They are almost as bad for the country as Democrats.

I do believe that it is a bad situation when half of the country pays taxes and the other half does not. Everyone needs to have skin in the game. That does not mean that I hate poor people and eat children. For the record, I believe income tax to be immoral and akin to slavery, but that is another topic for another day.
I believe that those who do pay taxes, pay entirely too much. When the government can spend millions studying shrimp on a treadmill, and the sexual habits of drunken monkeys, we are sending too much money to Washington. When the US government invades every 3rd world country that, by pure coincidence, does not have a central bank then we have a moral obligation to stop sending money to Washington. We pay way too much money in taxes!

I believe it is a noble and American thing to send aid to other countries who have been struck by disaster, but we send money to just about every country in the middle east, and then stick our nose in thier business. If you follow the money, it is not a stretch to say that we fund both sides of every war on that side of the globe. We send too much money to Washington.
We prop up leaders and then knock them down, we destroy a country and then rebuild it. We find another leader to prop up, and start over. We send too much money to Washington.

They have spent us into oblivian, (Yes, both freakin parties) yet I keep hearing that if we stop spending it will be the poor who suffer, and the children will starve. When the waste stops, I will take that argument seriously, until then, I am insulted that anyone would think that I am that stupid to think that we are having an adult conversation, and that the poor will starve.
I am a landlord, I have 3 apartments and my tenants think that I am rich (I'm not) yet I see them enjoying thier weekends (I work) they relax in the evenings (I work) they constantly cook out, drink beer, and play cornhole (while I work). In America even the poor are rich by the rest of the worlds standards. God bless America!

wickedfarmer
07-20-2011, 05:38 PM
Think Mike's above response is too far out there with foreign mingling's?? Rent Charlie Wilsons War. A lone senator with CIA found a way to get arms to Osama Binladen (sound familiar?) to kick Russians out of Afghanistan. Afterwards we left them hung out to dry. Hey guys...GREAT hot tub scene if that is what it takes to get you to watch it.

Sorry I am a history nut. And you all thought I was just another dumb dirt farmer.

wickedfarmer
07-20-2011, 05:47 PM
Struck me as funny Mike that you view income tax as immoral like slavery. Income tax was first initiated in USA at 3% on incomes above $800 during 1861....to pay for the war.

screamline studios
07-20-2011, 06:55 PM
I think mike brings up good points and you too wicked what i like the most is that everyone is expressing how they feel unlike most of the mutes in this lazy and crazy world.

Mike Goff
07-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Think Mike's above response is too far out there with foreign mingling's?? Rent Charlie Wilsons War. A lone senator with CIA found a way to get arms to Osama Binladen (sound familiar?) to kick Russians out of Afghanistan. Afterwards we left them hung out to dry. Hey guys...GREAT hot tub scene if that is what it takes to get you to watch it.

Sorry I am a history nut. And you all thought I was just another dumb dirt farmer.

If you only knew what I really think... LOL

Seriously, We are always told about how we live in a global market and that the US has to protect it's interests abroad. That is a pretty tough pill to swallow when we can't drill for our own oil right here on our own soil. Why is it OK to send our young men 10,000 miles away to kill and die for the free flow of oil in a country that does not give a damn about the environement, when the US has enough natural resources to last for centuries and we can get it out cleaner and more efficient than anyone on earth? Do you really believe that's OK, I don't, and I am not ashamed to say it. If we relied on our own resources. we would not even need to be there. I know what everyone is thinking, we were attacked by the Mujahideen, I mean Al-Queda ( I get them mixed up with the guys in Egypt and the guys that we armed to fight the Soviet Union)
It is hard to take serious when American buisiness is decimated by the EPA, the IRS, trial lawyers, building code, and labor laws. The only interests that the US seems to protect abroad are the interests of the multinational corporations, and the off shore bankers that we just baled out. Follow the money. Where did the money go for the banker bailouts. If you don't know, then you have no business in this conversation. (Not you, specifically, wicked farmer, I am speaking to anyone who still thinks that Washington is just incompetent and not criminal)

Again, I ask the simple question. Why should we give Billions to middle eastern countries when we can't balance our own budget? Politicians love to complicate things. It is actually very simple. We should mind our own business, keep our own money, and unleash all hell on anyone who legitimately attacks us.
As a young marine, I spent a great deal of my time studying war. I was interested in every aspect of it, the reasons for it, the tactics employed in it, and I eventually learned that all you need to know about war can be answered with one simple question. Who benefits from it? The answer to that question can always be found by the changes in domestic policy that follow.

I challenge anyone to study history, look at what sparked each war and then look at the policy changes that followed. Follow the money, look at the transition of power. I remember when people laughed at the idea that the Gulf of Tonkin was staged.

lurker
07-20-2011, 08:45 PM
I heard a great analogy for the problem with DC recently. Every now and then we elect a handful of people with good intentions and plans to make effective changes. We send them to Washington with high expectations. However, it is sort of like having this giant vat of urine that has been sitting in the hot sun for years, walking over to it and pouring in a few cans of root beer. The few cans of root beer don't change the fact that it is a giant vat of urine. The root beer just becomes a part of the large cesspool that you are no one else in their right mind would want to drink from. If you want a vat of root beer then the old vat has to be dumped out entirely, scrubbed thoroughly, and refilled with only root beer.

screamline studios
07-20-2011, 09:25 PM
You guys are the best !!!! Lurker is right get rid of everyone !! Start over and get your root beer. Lol good stuff

wickedfarmer
07-21-2011, 07:30 AM
My cousin's nickname was always Ranger Rick after the racoon icon from Ranger Rick magazine. He was never part of the farm but went into Natural Resources studies in college. Now he is in D.C. sitting on House Appropriations. He meets regulary with lisa jackson head of EPA. He consults me with ag issues especially pesticides....spent time in weed science dept. MSU.

You may see a lot in news about Republican plans to gut EPA, not protect clean water, and on and on. I forget the figure exactly but it something like current president (and Lisa) have tried putting forth 5 times the regs that Clinton; the last democrat Pres did in 2 terms.

My cousin is the main author of the "gutting of EPA" as it is called and refers to himself as Public Enemy #1. A lot of stuff he WOULD NOT WANT cut ....he authored. But when we are 14 Trillion in debt...reality has to be faced.

Wicked Farmer

Mad Wax Sculptor
07-22-2011, 12:30 AM
I am a true patriot in the sense i believe in what the country used to stand for. Im afraid the only thing to do would be to reboot the whole system and clean house unfortunately that cant be done peacefully . How can you be a true patriot and not be labeled a damn terrorist now. Remember the founding fathers were considered Terrorists and criminals in the eyes of the British

wickedfarmer
07-22-2011, 06:42 AM
Considered...and WERE treasonist dogs. Benjamin Benjamin, and James Benjamin were treasonists who shouldered muskets. Benjamin Benjamin enlisted for 3 years...served 6 months till his death.

Mark Benjamin
AKA Wicked Farmer