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scottylmt
08-07-2012, 10:46 AM
In Allen's latest dvd, Dynamic Haunted Attraction Design (Im 54 min in, AWESOME so far, review forthcoming ) there are some burlap masks resembling the old slipknot masks, or even a more intense version of the guy from strangers.

Im super impressed by those, and am wondering how he achieved such detail, especially the darkness and apparent dinginess of the material. Is there a tutorial of those, or similar masks out there?

Im assuming you get a burlap sack, hack away at it, string it up with a leather shoelace in the back, darken parts of it with spray paint... but am I missing anything, like lining for comfort? Or something to harden it and help keep its shape? Maybe some grease?

I made a strangers mask for halloween, and it kept my nose compressed down the whole night. How does one avoid that?

Dumb move I forgot to check if Allen makes a mask dvd. I'll do that now...

Thanks

hauntman666
08-07-2012, 01:06 PM
I have a mask from Allen very similar to that and he has latex on the inside of it not sure what else he does with it but comfortable with the latex and don't just have burlap rubbing against your face.

Kyle Guillette

Allen H
08-07-2012, 05:07 PM
Scotty,
I can save you the time and trouble of replicating my work by simply selling you a mask. They are $100 each and very soon I am listing about 20 for sale (Late august). I give tips on almost everything but the Deranged masks are one of my main income streams and I am already seeing them replicated for sale by other vendors. I have not and most likely will not do a full tutorial on Deranged masks until I have moved on from that stream.
I do show the same courtesy by not doing tutorials replicating specific vendors products....unless they are flat out raping people. I will tell you that every technique and material I use to make them are shown on my youtube channel tutorials. As well as basic mask making skills.

"Im assuming you get a burlap sack, hack away at it, string it up with a leather shoelace in the back, darken parts of it with spray paint... but am I missing anything, like lining for comfort? Or something to harden it and help keep its shape? Maybe some grease?"

You can start with a burlap bag, just make sure it is not reinforced or was used to carry insulation ever. Laces will pull through burlap (it has a loose weave) unless you reinforce the hole. I use grommets and a grommet press. Keep vision, hearing, ventilation, and breathing in mind when making masks (that is where most mask companies fail). Spray paint actually off gasses for a long time and it may bother some actors skin so I would avoid it. Please dont use grease or any other industrial compounds to stain masks, make sure they are safe to use for the make up or garment industry as skin contact is a great way to absorb poisons and irritants. Who knows what is in some of those. Be safe.
Allen H
here is alink to my youtube channel which has a multitude of appropriate tutorials.
http://www.youtube.com/user/StiltbeastStudios?feature=mhee

scottylmt
08-07-2012, 05:49 PM
Allen, thanks for the knowledge as usual. Those masks are awesome! They aren't in line with my infected zombie theme tho so im more interested for personal use. I think they'd be absolutely wicked with contact lenses!

Greg Chrise
08-08-2012, 09:26 AM
I'm trying to figure out what personal use is? Family portraits, avoiding exposure to the sun, recreational head warming?

scottylmt
08-08-2012, 11:50 AM
Actually, I'm considering robbing a bank in case I decide to start an INDOOR haunt!

Seriously though my son is 8 and he still likes it when I dress up for halloween. Plus occasionally I like to scare my friends and family, mainly my fiancÚ ;)

Searching google images, I found almost exactly what I had pictured I wanted after seeing Allen's work! I wasn't trying to rip you off Allen, I was just inquiring about the basic how to.

13467


Its crazy he even has the lenses. Pretty cool.

Frightener
08-08-2012, 01:06 PM
The only thing I can say, I think without infringing on anything, is the #1 thing....

DON'T SKIMP on the burlap! You MUST get a good burlap material, not the haggly bags from feed etc.

A friend of mine had made some a loooong time ago, maybe perhaps back when Allen was starting his masks. Anywho, he tried a few times. Then finally got one mask done nicely.

This came from a darned argument. We were arguing, what "MASK" Mr. Voorhees was using in Friday 13th part 2. I told him it was NOT burlap! However, back then, the World Wide Web wasn't too big and so we went to rent a video. Wellll, also back then, unfortunately VHS was mainstream. In case you hadn't noticed, VHS SUUUUUUUKS! But anywho, the stupid vcr ATE THE TAPE before the scene.

He made the mask anyways and went as Jason from F13th prt 2. 10 years later I won the bet but he was overseas and I have yet to see my check from New Zealand.


lol. I thought about making masks in this similar fashion. However, as the subject was stated here, I wouldn't DARE to try and do it because of respect for Allen. 'Sides, he'd whoop me arse and he does a better job at masks :D

Dewayne

Allen H
08-08-2012, 03:11 PM
LOL, anyone can make anything...but I dont have to help them :)

Frightener
08-08-2012, 03:39 PM
LOL, anyone can make anything...but I dont have to help them :)

HAHAHA! ... this is true :D

... hmmm. I mean to say something to you earlier Allen... what was i.. OHH GET ANOTHER VIDEO UP DANGIT!! haha

Greg Chrise
08-08-2012, 10:42 PM
Allens masks are something well thought out and since it is a latex base then a mask layer design with various added creative items it is kind of a mask on a mask on a mask and well worth $100. You can blow that much just coming up with the sub structure he has. Without the mask being lined you are probably headed for something akin to road rash.

I haven't inspected one close enough to know but the inside is maybe a life cast of the creator? You could buy one and cast that, then have your own Allen Hopps! Make the mouth move with a sound sensitive solenoid and have it's mouth move to Allens tutorials on Utoob Wednesday! Total entertainment for $100. Nothing said here should be considered accurate.

BrotherMysterio
08-09-2012, 04:46 AM
I can save you the time and trouble of replicating my work by simply selling you a mask. They are $100 each and very soon I am listing about 20 for sale (Late august).

I've seen them up close. Trust me, they're worth it! If I ever do a character that looks remotely like one of his masks, I'm going straight to him.


You could buy one and cast that, then have your own Allen Hopps! Make the mouth move with a sound sensitive solenoid and have it's mouth move to Allens tutorials on Utoob Wednesday! Total entertainment for $100.

. . . makes you wonder how Greg spends his weekends . . . or what he keeps in his basement . . .

"Hey, 3-day weekend coming up! I get to wear my 'Allen suit'!"

"'It' will put the lotion in the basket!"


Actually, I'm considering robbing a bank in case I decide to start an INDOOR haunt!

Well, that is one of the more innovative approaches to haunt financing that I've recently heard.


13467

Its crazy he even has the lenses. Pretty cool.

Allen could probably do something like that for you custom. I'm almost wondering if that's one of his.


I'm trying to figure out what personal use is? Family portraits, avoiding exposure to the sun, recreational head warming?

Well, considering this recent post (http://www.hauntworld.com/haunted_house_forums/showthread.php?18411-How-do-i-post-pictures&p=138754#post138754) . . .


LOL, anyone can make anything...but I don't have to help them :)

Why does that line sound so familiar?

9-Dvu_Zidj8

C.

scottylmt
08-09-2012, 10:20 AM
LMAO its great to see you back Brother! Ive been missing your posts.

Pennywise
08-11-2012, 08:37 AM
Not sure if this is very helpful, but I have always wanted to try to make one these, but I don't have a form...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqFwzUY2OXc

scottylmt
08-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the link pennywise. I like the finished look of that mask! A liner would definitely be a good addition tho lol.

Greg Chrise
08-13-2012, 11:40 PM
Watching that video, you could layer a few coats of latex first and then do the burlap and then you have a liner. Or simply go over top of another mask. I saw one that went over what appears to be an exagerated clown mask with burlap and it looks pretty cool. Or pick something with ears or other features added like punk hair and jewelry?

scottylmt
08-14-2012, 01:29 PM
That's definitely an idea. Im assuming you would layer the inside of the burlap by turning it inside out once you're finished? Or could you just hot glue felt or some other soft fabric on key areas?

Greg Chrise
08-14-2012, 06:32 PM
It depends on what you are building it on. If you are building on a head form like the video, you just layer a few coats of latex and then build the burlap. Or you take a head form and put a mask over it or a sock mask and go over that with the burlap and latex. You can line it with felt or any material and hot glue but I get concerned with it getting to small with out the lining being actually built first.

So this is where buying one from someone that is making it over a proper bust or life cast is why it is worth spending money. If you already have a life cast you can lay out what the interior cloth is going to be and layer ontop of that. All of this also changes complexity depending on whether it is a half mask or full head mask. Allens masks are full heads.

Trying to use a wig head or something not exactly sized right ends up yeilding something that can easily be a prop head but something being worn should be done on a professional bust or a life cast of yourself to fit right.

There are crazy ways to layer yourself with packaging tape of duct tape. Most of these techinques adding layers really reguires a few hours between steps to come out right. Not something your would want to sit around wearing while it cures, breathing things. So there again you are into buying or making your own full head bust to make something. What ever weird figure this guy used in the video to make this mask may have worked but probably ended in a poor fit.

Greg Chrise
08-14-2012, 06:57 PM
Having some kind of shape that properly matches your eye line is what makes it cool. Then enough room to breath and the nose area shape being well thought out. Other wise you are making a paper shopping bag with eye holes. Without a bust or proper head form, you could take a cheaper mask and add to it and then the mask is the latex liner, provides some kind of shape to work from.

As far as pricing is concerned, I have done some paint jobs for masks and been in a lot of studios figuring out air brushing problems people were having. So over the last year I have been looking at a lot of themes and details other people are doing. I'm finding everyone is trading even layered latex made things for $200 to $600 as one of a kind deals. Allens $100 products are going like hot cakes because of so much being offered such as being lined, properly proportioned and layered creepy with experience already at a very reasonable price. Allen and his crew are putting in quite the hours into these and the prep work is sort of overlooked when looking at a product in just pictures.

Greg Chrise
08-14-2012, 07:01 PM
Burlap in layers would be near impossible to turn inside out and keep the proper shape.

scottylmt
08-15-2012, 09:30 AM
Ok that makes perfect sense Greg thanks. Actually I had the same thought about the mask in the video... it even LOOKS like a funky shape lol. Thanks for the detailed explanation I completely understand now. I imagine the kid in the picture I found used just burlap and stitching, and that would seriously be uncomfortable.

When we made my strangers mask, we used cotton. My friend used my head as the stitching cast, and let me tell you it was a bitch lol.