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drfrightner
08-19-2012, 10:52 AM
There is a debate going on whether or not to allow vendors to spray up the show floor with FOG... I voted NO FOG! We all know what fog machines do, and what fog is and does. Last year it was SO BAD I could hardly see a thing ... do vendors want the show floor filled up with fog, or would you rather have no fog so you can see everything the way you are suppose to see it?

Ghost Ride voted no fog, I'm voting no fog... what say you?

Did the fog create a huge problem on the show floor?

Larry

Dr Spooktakular
08-19-2012, 10:56 AM
I vote NO fog, but instead of just saying NO, NO, NO, let's come up with a solution so those vendors aren't left out in the cold. We have a Dark Zone area curtained in, how about a second curtained in area, the Fog Zone.

Grimley
08-19-2012, 11:01 AM
I absolutely disagree. No two fog machines are the same and if I can't see one in action I don't buy. It would be better to make an area of the floor where they can be grouped like the dark zone. Maybe the "Fog Zone".

Mr. Haunt
08-19-2012, 11:05 AM
Larry,

I have never been to a show, but my thought is if a vendor has a new product to show fog or foggers, why not put these vendors in a differant room or controlled space???

I'm sure there would be a handfull of these venders, but at least you would have other vendors not being effected. Better yet why not set up a time schedule throughout the day when fog and foggers can be deminstrated.

My opinion if they are using the fog as a mood or display setter, then I would say no fog should be used. If the vender needs the lighting, fog, and sounds to market a new product stand out or sell then they should be required to make a deminstration video that they can play at their booth.

Just my 2 cents!!!

Mr. Haunt

Valley_of_Screams
08-19-2012, 01:13 PM
I vote fog...and MORE fog!

But really, why doesn't Transworld just reach out to the buyers with all the emails they have in their database from registration instead of putting a feeler out through Hauntworld? Oh wait, that would make sense...I guess they won't reach out to their own buyers. Ugh... -Tyler

Allen H
08-19-2012, 01:45 PM
I need to see the machines work in order to buy one. Why not just ask fog machine vendors to be judicious about their use? Try that route before you make knee jerk reaction that might impede someones business.
Allen H

Front Yard Fright
08-19-2012, 01:58 PM
Could they utilize any space outside of the convention center? Perhaps the loading dock around back?

graystone
08-19-2012, 02:26 PM
Man this is a hard one!!! I mean when you got vendors like Froggys they need to show the quality of their product. This would be like saying blood or no blood, gore or no gore. X or G rated. If they are in the business of selling fog I say they should be allowed to but if a vendor is just using it for their booth to attract attention I say NO! You could also have a vendor say this prop comes with fog. Shane and it's what do you guys think? Shane

Deathwing
08-19-2012, 02:49 PM
Of course fog, that's as much a part of the ambiance of the show as seeing black tee shirts. It's a haunt show, fog is a must!

Jake

john haines
08-19-2012, 04:18 PM
This would be perfect. People who want fog could just go there at their leisure and check out the area. Plus,the fog would be contained in one sectioned off area. This could work to everyones' advantage if done right. Good luck with this. It wont make everyone happy, but something has to be done.

mindtumor
08-19-2012, 05:30 PM
Keep the fog. I have never noticed it being a problem.

Graveyard
08-19-2012, 05:51 PM
It's part of the show and adds to the event.

So if you are thinking about having a separate area for fog, then any vendors having props that use fog would have to have their booth in there as well??

I like that I can go to a vendors booth such as Distortions and see all they have in one place, fog fueled or not.

Just my thoughts...

Paul Boyd

Marr Branch
08-19-2012, 07:08 PM
This year was my first trip to St. Louis. I did not notice the fog.

drfrightner
08-19-2012, 07:50 PM
The fog was really bad this year to the point it became almost impossible to see... its almost being a non-smoker eating dinner out, and a bunch of people light up around you. At the tradeshow you've got vendors who want people to see their products and you can't because you are caked in FOG! I'm voting no fog! The issue is most vendors shouldn't suffer because of a handful of vendors who sell fog.

Its a tradeshow and due to that we need vendors booths to be seen clear as day, now in the dark zone I'm all for fog!

Larry

The Nightmare Factory
08-19-2012, 08:06 PM
is it at all possible to have a seperate walled off room for fog vendors? I am with the others that say I need to see the machine in action before I buy it.

On the other hand, I can see where it would be bothersome to some vendors not being able to see or just having fog lingering in the air all the time. What about all the noise? There are a select few vendors that sell items we want, need, love to have for our haunts, but are very loud! It would make me nuts if I paid good money for a booth and was saddled up next to one of them for the entire show.

So not to name names... according to one youtube video, one vendor ran a fog machine non-stop the entire show! I can imagine the fog!

We'll be out the the show in 2013, curious to see what comes of this.

freak 'n' stein
08-19-2012, 08:42 PM
I must not have been around during the "heavy use" moments Larry is referring to. I've been the past three years and really haven't ever noticed. You KNOW the fog is there but it's never to the degree you honestly can't see in front of you. Take a look at all the youtube videos. Worst case, how about vendors use fast dissipating juice??? Same effects without the lingering, right?? I'm not too sure a "fog zone" would be as practical as everyone would think. Between people constantly going in and out and the curtains not being air tight, you might reduce the amount on the actual floor but that probably isn't and end all be all. But I vote don't get rid of fog.

Not my video but this video is maybe the WORST I've ever experience in terms of fog.
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Tater
08-19-2012, 09:37 PM
I cant speak for everyone, but I'm shocked that this is even a thread....How can you sit there and say well lets have a halloween/Haunt show but not have any fog vendors. Thats like having a junk food show and outlawing anything fried. What if you did a Fast Dissipating juice and use all the vendors to use that for the show. Machines, Fog and everything must be at the HAUNT show...its part of the haunt industry.

Capt.Chaos
08-20-2012, 09:42 AM
I have attended Transworld the last 3 years and will return again in 2013. I personally have never noticed any issues with fog. I also disagree with a fog zone.

Buck

Jolly Pumpkin
08-20-2012, 01:04 PM
I haven't noticed it being a problem at Transworld. But if I was a vendor and heavy fog was causing people to not see my products then I would be pissed to say the least and I wouldn't return to Transworld. If a vendor is losing business because of heavy fog then they have a right to speak up. Losing a couple of fog vendors is better than losing hundreds of non fog vendors. I've attended Transworld for the last 5 years and I haven't seen it as being a problem, but I can see it being a problem depending on where the fog vendor's booth is set up. I have mixed feelings on this issue. It definitely needs to be worked out so fog vendors and non fog vendors are both happy.

Novus
08-20-2012, 05:02 PM
Has this ever been an issue before? Were vendors warned by Transworld to be careful with fog/smoke before the show? If it's not a trend ... then obviously it shouldn't be dealt with as such. I've been 3 years and never noticed a problem with fog. As others have said, it's a haunt show and the noise, fog, and almost chaotic experience are all apart of the show floor. It's the nature of the beast, so to speak. I'm not sure a fog section would work, but Transworld should just make sure the fog vendors are spread around the trade show floor and not all bunched together, which could cause issues. Transworld should also contact the vendors themselves and let them know that there should be more discretion when using fog/smoke, meaning to not overdue it or hinder their neighbors ability to sell products. If it's still an issue after 2013, THEN show organizers can possibly take more drastic measures.

Frightener
08-20-2012, 08:11 PM
I've been in the airbrush industry for some time, off and on mostly. Some of our venues even had the question "Airbrushing or no Airbrushing?"

Any artist or airbrusher knows or probably knows what Aqua flow paint smells like. It's stout and very VERY distinct. So this is what the main sting is. The smell. So the same could be said about fog. Don't lose your sense of smell, but you lose your sight with fog.

My opinion, is start small, like Allen said. What I'd suggest is maybe have a few vents available, or even ask vendors to build them. they can be VERY cheap and quiet. House Hold fans can help, they don't have to be super suckers to get the job done, just take an extra minute or so. Why not let some ideas flow around getting these vents made, maybe on wheels or light enough to just carry (house hold fans and luan!?) The vendors can have these for cheap and turn them on if the fog is so bad people can't see their stuff.


This is the only thing that pops into my mind. I'd say the fog will HAVE to be available to showcase products, plain and simple. We may as well look at ideas around keeping the fog, but managing it better without having to segregate everyone like smokers.

I'm sure someone's got a great idea for this. I've never been to a show, well actually this year I drove 15 ft from the building asking where Larry's place was haha but maybe next year we can go. Hence, this is only my .02 cents worth from an outsider.


Dewayne

austind
08-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Yes, fog I would not have bought the two fogger I bought at the show if I did not like what I saw. I was not shopping for a fogger but liked what I saw and ended up buying two. The vender would have been upset if he lost a $1200 sale and I am sure I was not the only one to do this. Maybe we should tell Shot in the dark that they can't use there horns, or the flash crackers, I think I heard more complaints about those than the fog. Just my opinion.

Phattman

TheCareTaker
08-21-2012, 04:47 PM
I like Shanes idea and Allens and think there is some compromise between the two to make it work out. I do have to say that i dont need to see a prop work with fog to be able to invision it. but at the same time do need to see a fog machine work and run with fog to have a good concept. i wish someone would standardise the fog machine outputs like density/continues run time for fog machines so as i could buy one just of stats but dont see that happening and it is just not fare to say this 1000 watter runs the same as that 1000 watter. best of luck on the final outcome but know Transworld will be a blast with or without.

Dark Tiki Studios
08-21-2012, 11:13 PM
At MHC there was a decent amount of fog, but I thought it ENHANCED the other products at the show! Most haunts are dark and foggy. Fog makes the costumes look creepy and really enhances lights. Move the lighting vendors next to the fog booths. Use them as a barrier.

tonguesandwich
08-22-2012, 01:41 PM
Next will be strobes... fog yes!

BigT
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
I would rather have the fog there. It never bothered me personally. Plus it allows me to see how some of these things would look with fog. And it lets me compare fog juices and machines. I wonder if our patrons complain when we send them through our haunts full of fog??

MovieRelics
08-23-2012, 03:17 AM
Coming from a vendor point of view of someone who is sitting on the show floor for a long period of time for multiple days, the fog can get a little bit annoying in my opinion. Larry is right that sometimes the fog can get a little to thick and crazy sometimes, especially if your only a few booth spaces away from a fog company that's got a mission to fill the tradeshow floor with fog. It's kinda hard to have a meeting with someone at your booth with what looks like smoke pouring in from the booth next to you, that you would otherwise think is on fire from the amount of smoke rolling into your space from under your booth's skirt. At this past MHC, there was one fog company that was just pumping a ton of fog just to pump it. There was no body around checking out their foggers or the quality of the product, they were just pumping fog out. After a while, the show floor looks worse than London on their foggiest day. Which is great if your wanting that kind of experience without spending the ticket on a plane ticket. You just need Tater walking around hurling insults at people with a accent like a hooligan and it's complete experience.

But, on the other side, it's a haunt show and I agree with the others that think the fog adds to the show's atmosphere. I'm sure many people would relate to feeling like Robert Duvall from Apocalypse Now when you first walk onto the show floor and take that first breath of show floor air thinking to themselves, "I love the smell of fog in the morning... Smells like scares." It's gets everyone in the right mindset and does add to something when seeing some of the animatronics and props.

So I would be more of a fan of the tradeshow organizers setting some kind of limits on the foggers to keep the air quality of the show not so thick with fog. With transworld being so large, I don't think it's as much of an issue compared to the others, but maybe just limiting them to product examples, no foggers on timers, and not just pumping fog trying to fill the showfloor with fog would be a start. Also, if your a vendor and your not wanting your booth to look like a set from the movie back draft, request being put away from the foggers like you can when you request being away from the noisy haunt vendors.

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terrormasue
08-23-2012, 08:19 PM
My vote is for fog in moderation. Last year it did get to me a bit. Got my throat a little sore. I love the fog but there is a point where it is too much. Moderation in all things.

Sue

drfrightner
08-23-2012, 11:01 PM
The problem is you can't really moderate fog... with that many vendors spraying it there is just nothing you can do but NOT SEE ANYTHING!

The problem is the fog is great when there are NO OVERHEAD lights on and all the booths have colored lights, fx lights, blah, blah lighting up their booth. Then the fog is awesome!

But when you have HIGH POWERED lights on overhead, what happens is the it creates somewhat like a fog you can't drive through your headlights just make it worse. Has anyone ever drove through a foggy night with headlights on... the beams make it worse to see not better. A flash camera doesn't work because the light bounces off the fog...

The biggest issue with the fog is the VENDORS who want the buyers to see their products perfectly. Understand I'm NOT an ANTI fog person, I love fog but when you are on a show floor you want to be able to see the products better and due to the overhead lighting bouncing off the fog you create a fog that is hard to see thru... it was so foggy in there at times you couldn't see for more than 20 feet at a time. It was bad... personally and again I don't think there needs to be ANY FOG machines running during the show because a video is just as good. Otherwise they should be used in the dark zone because in the dark zone they don't hurt anything. You can' see thru the fog perfectly in the dark zone because there are NO OVERHEAD WHITE LIGHTS!

Seriously though... why do the fog vendors want to be out of the dark zone? Let me guess... because they want their customers to see their products better, well teh other vendors around the fog guys want the same exact thing. If you ask the non-fog vendors for the most part they don't want the fog, and I agree with them. Fog should go to the dark zone!

Larry

Dreamreaper
08-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Told I can comment on who has to much fog... Not me for sure!

Mike Goff
08-27-2012, 07:12 AM
It makes sense to me, to consolidate those who wish to use fog, in one area. Explain to them that there are those among us who would like to deprive them of their right to use fog, and that if they don't keep the level of fog within reason, they might get unplugged.
It would be a shame if the vendors who rely on fog, have this taken away without any warning or say so.
My advice to the foggers would be to scale back the fog and whine as much as possible, because it seems that the whiners always get their way. I feel bad for you guys, and I wish that I could be of some help, but I just can't bring myself to whine. Good luck.

Farmer
09-24-2012, 10:51 PM
Nothing I can say that hasn't already been said, but as far as seeing products "in their intended environment," I say YES, fog. It adds to the spirit of the show and though the vast overhead of the room was thick,at no point did it seem to cloud vision so badly that while you were in any given booth you were unable to see their stuff.

David Ludick
09-25-2012, 11:52 AM
I didn't have a problem with it, but last year was my first year....
Why don't they bring a small popup tent with walls/tarps around it?

That way, we can see the fog, but it won't pollute the whole place.

It will escape, but will do so gradually it will be more difficult to notice.

robert
09-26-2012, 06:09 PM
Attendee for 16 years................... YES!!!!!!!!! to the use of fog!

Barry
10-02-2012, 10:34 AM
This is always a topic of conversation when it comes to MHC as well as Transworld. We are going to try something suggested by Froggy's that I think TW is considering as well. That is to require all fog machines on the show floor to use a fast dissipating mix in their machines. I had everyone switch to this on Sunday this year and it made a huge difference in the amount of fog in the hall while still allowing demonstrations and adding to the haunt experience.

HauntedLehmanPark
10-02-2012, 11:59 AM
I honestly hate the loud flash cracker things and very loud props as it made it very hard to talk with certain vendors and I could see some vendors getting upset by too much fog.

My recommendation is have a "demonstration" area were loud noises, fog, and those types of things are allowed and maybe any area for business vendors (such as ticket vendors, insurance, etc.. ) vendors who need a more quiet area to talk with clients. Separate those two sections in the hall. Just like you had with the Dark Zone area of years past.

Maybe you will sell two booths to those vendors who need both types of areas. One to demonstrate their props and another area to close the business.

MovieRelics
10-02-2012, 04:44 PM
I honestly hate the loud flash cracker things and very loud props as it made it very hard to talk with certain vendors and I could see some vendors getting upset by too much fog.

Amen... That's the one thing that drives me nuts is having to wait 2 mins to be able to continue a conversation with someone at my booth because of some loud vendor that's even on the other side of the show floor. It's really annoying.