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Cliff
10-01-2012, 07:51 AM
We have a haunted trail tru our woods. We live on a secluded farm and the trail has become quite popular. Our problem, and it started the end of last year, we have two men sneaking on to our farm and scaring the crap out of our actors. (Mostly high school kids). They whistle, throw acorns, and this year have gone as far as pointing red lasers at their heads. We call the county police who show up an hour later and basically laugh it off but in the mean time I have actors quieting left and right. Any thoughts?
I have done the obvious, hired lot of people to patrol our lines but these guys are bold and know the land, may even be white trash neighbors!

Howie Slobber Erlich
10-01-2012, 07:59 AM
Guard dogs!

Cliff
10-01-2012, 08:13 AM
But this is a very serious problem. one of the employees who got scared this weeks is trashing us on facebook and threaten to stop all the cars on the way to the haunt and tell them its dangerous, said they won’t stop till they close us down.

Odinseye
10-01-2012, 08:22 AM
Put up no trespassing signs around the perimeter, then go have a talk with the Sheriff and tell him that it is a serious problem that they need to take seriously and that you want anyone who is trespassing to be arrested and charged. Your security team can detain them until law enforcement arrives and make sure you tell the Sheriff that they will do just that. If he realizes that you are serious they will take it serious.

Allen H
10-01-2012, 08:30 AM
I had this problem a few years back, I solved it by offering them jobs. Obviously they are having fun scaring people so they might be a good fit.
The actor who is trying to shut you down has other issues, they would not do that if it were just them being scared. Talk to them to figure out the root of the issue.
Trail cameras (the kind hunters use) are a good solution. also maybe a decoy actor whose sole job is to get their attention?
Allen H

screamforadream
10-01-2012, 08:35 AM
1) have your lawyer send a letter to your employee about your intent to sue should the slander and libels top. The morons are messing with your actors not your customers.

2) FENCE. BARBED WIRE. Okay so I grew up as a mild redneck in the suburbs, and spent a LOT of time in the farm country when I wasn't in school. So I know around here anyway, farms and large property owners used 5-6' tall fence(not stockade, but the type where it's one pole with interlocking poles...the name escapes me sorry! I hope you know what I mean). Wrap barbed wire between each row of the poles so that one cannot easily sneak through, and have people stand at posts within eye sight of each other. That way they can scan and still have eyes on each other. Give them large flashlights to turn on only when people act sneaky. This way you can figure out atleast where the morons are coming from or rule out if they are actors just messing around, or if some third party is sneaking in.

3) flood lights or halogen work lights surrounding the maze facing OUTWARDS, to light up everything outside your maze, it may keep the morons far enough away to where they can't do anything.


So in short, have your lawyer/attorney send a letter with intent to sue should the actor not stop and make a public apology about your defamation of character and either fence off the entire maze in a fashion in which no one can sneak in and/or light the place up like a freakin Christmas tree!

David Ludick
10-01-2012, 09:06 AM
We used snowfence ( orange plastic stuff) and a roaming security guard, and had no successful break ins.

blaze
10-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Try roaming security guards

Mike Goff
10-02-2012, 06:38 AM
Not only are Allen's ideas effective, but they are a reflection of a good person.

As far as getting lawyers involved, I would steer clear of doing this. You need to diffuse the situation, not escalate it. White trash are not afraid of lawyers and police. The justice system is a joke. If the situation escalates, you have far more to lose than they do.

I would first attempt Allens idea, my backup plan would be to press upon them, how it is potentially dangerous for them to tresspass on your property. They obviously don't respect the sanctity of your land, and only you can fix this. It's is always better to try the nice way first, but there comes a time when the strategy of being nice is no longer appropriate. If they are tresspassing on your property, the police are going to lend you much more credability than they will a couple of punks. In most states you can use physical force to defend property. Not deadly force, but physical force.

As for your former employee, you can try to speak to him. I would explain that it looks like sour grapes on his part, and people will see through it once you explain that he is a disgruntled former employee. I would also explain that future employers monitor facebook pages and do google searches of them and that it does not look good when you are a drama queen that likes to stir up trouble for past employers. I would explain that he has nothing to gain by doing this, and I would point out the potential embarrasment that will come when you start telling your side of the story.

zombietoxin
10-02-2012, 10:43 AM
I would hire security to be in the fields to find these people and warn them off, or possibly determine where it is they are coming from to get an address or license plate to turn over the the sheriff. Perhaps it may seem a bit extreme, but thoughts of renting thermal imaging equipment may make for a quick end to the the question, rather than drag out the entire season.

I agree- the whiner you have has other issues. IMO its best to at least attempt to get to the bottom of it rationally and try to turn the attitude in your favor.

Cliff
10-03-2012, 07:36 AM
The employee is embraced cause they got really scared….came out of woods crying scared! I think I have that one under control. The property is to big to fence or light on my small budget and I can’t catch the little ^%$# so I can’t offer them work, honestly im not nearly as good a person as is Allen, truthfully I have come to hate these guys so I don’t think I could give them work. Last year they reached tru a prop, grabbed an actor’s hair and pulled her head into the wall!! I had a sit-down with local authorities I don’t think they knew really how bad it was. They’re going to send officers out and im going to heir one of there off duty guys for security….let you know how it goes.

screamforadream
10-03-2012, 09:17 PM
Lawyers.

Or REALLY good hunters. NOT haunters. Hunters. Deer season is right around the corner, and any decent hunter is also a decent tracker. Put out a plea on craigslist or do some word of mouth, and see if anyone with half a brain is a good tracker. Maybe you have someone in your family that deer hunts regularly and has to follow a blood trail to get their kill in the morning, and maybe no one has thought of applying that method to finding out how these guys are getting in.

And if you can afford an off duty officer. You can afford a few dozen halogen bulbs and light up the perimeter of your property. Hell, put them on a motion sensor. That'll get the schmucks!

Mike Goff
10-04-2012, 02:01 PM
I have found that a $100 bounty produces results. One of your actors makes a little jingle, you catch the jackass that is doing this. It's win win for everyone.

zombietoxin
10-04-2012, 03:17 PM
I have found that a $100 bounty produces results. One of your actors makes a little jingle, you catch the jackass that is doing this. It's win win for everyone.

I like that...

Marr Branch
10-04-2012, 06:36 PM
00 Buckshot over the top of the head works great
I have experienced Double Alt going over my head. It did not take long to figure out I was in the wrong place.

mandible
10-04-2012, 07:13 PM
Do your actors know to be on the look out for the yo-yos?
Do they have radios or some form of communication so that you all can let each other know where the yo-yos strike?

Do you have a local martial arts school? Usually, you can find some Halloween-loving martial artists at your local dojo or dojang. Explain the situation and ask for volunteers to help. They get the chance to (hopefully) practice some restraint techniques until the police get there. And their presence makes your actors feel safer. I totally would have volunteered for that when I was doing the martial arts thing.

Just my $0.02

Allen H
10-04-2012, 07:30 PM
In a roundabout way you just recommended hiring Ninjas.

mandible
10-04-2012, 09:45 PM
Why yes. I kind of did. And I stand by the suggestion, doggone it!

I wonder what other problems could potentially be solved via ninjas?

BrotherMysterio
10-05-2012, 02:22 AM
In a roundabout way you just recommended hiring Ninjas.


Why yes. I kind of did. And I stand by the suggestion, doggone it!

"Haunts" and "Ninjas" on the same forum . . . does life get any sweeter than that!?! :D


I wonder what other problems could potentially be solved via ninjas?

I've often wondered the same thing. (Way too much free time on my hands.)


Last year they reached thru a prop, grabbed an actor’s hair and pulled her head into the wall!!

Yeah, that's no longer a matter of hooligans pulling pranks on private property. That's criminal assault. That's a whole new kettle of fish. Especially if that girl is underage and they are over 18. I'm not an attorney, but I'm sure a legal adult causing assault and injury to a minor is probably a really big no-no, especially if it's male-on-female aggression.

C.

Dark Tiki Studios
10-10-2012, 12:20 AM
I'm with BrotherMysterio on this one... If they've physically assaulted one of your actors, that's a whole different ball game !

mandible
10-10-2012, 05:55 PM
Can we get an update on this situation? Have they come back? Is everyone ok?

Marr Branch
10-10-2012, 07:03 PM
00 Buckshot over the top of the head works great
I have experienced Double Alt going over my head. It did not take long to figure out I was in the wrong place.

I guess no one on these forums knows what buckshot is. Are you all city boys?

BigT
10-10-2012, 07:59 PM
I may be born in the city, but I certainly know what buckshot is. Kept my guns loaded with it ..... and I wasnt deer hunting! LOL In Los Angeles a lot of places used rock salt. Hurt like hell and made a horrible noise - that was always a great deterrent to trespassers.

Cliff
10-11-2012, 07:15 AM
put up two soloar powerd motion sensor lights in problem area $74.00 each hierd an off duty deputy to walk woods $25 hr. so far no problems but it was a rain out here last Friday so we were only open one day, will know more this weekend.

Greg Chrise
10-11-2012, 08:55 AM
Chances are this is a one time drunken escapade that isn't going to be repeated for fear of getting caught. All the same if they are really agressive, it wouldn't be too tough to disable the sensors during the day when no one is there. Might have watched them being installed. So every night you have to make sure they still work.

I thought NInjas only made $2 a day so that should be like 12 ninjas and one yappy ninja poodle for $25 per day. Of course being the people person that I am, I would be telling this security guard that this is his comparative expected performance. No just hanging out in the woods half a sleep waiting for the motion sensors to report. There needs to be constant hopping from tree to tree making that swooshing noise Ninjas make when they are being totally stealthy.

Badger
10-11-2012, 11:33 AM
I may be born in the city, but I certainly know what buckshot is. Kept my guns loaded with it ..... and I wasnt deer hunting! LOL In Los Angeles a lot of places used rock salt. Hurt like hell and made a horrible noise - that was always a great deterrent to trespassers.

I was going to recommend rock salt or bird shot...

Mike Goff
10-11-2012, 06:34 PM
I know that we are just joking, but just so we are clear, discharging a firearm, regardless of what it is loaded with. Could be rock salt, or jelly beans, is still considered deadly force. Pepper spray would be a much better option. In most states deadly force can only be used to prevent death or serious bodily harm. I would hate to see someone get in a whole lot of trouble for doing something that they thought was legal. It is not.

mrfoos
10-11-2012, 06:54 PM
I know that we are just joking, but just so we are clear, discharging a firearm, regardless of what it is loaded with. Could be rock salt, or jelly beans, is still considered deadly force. Pepper spray would be a much better option. In most states deadly force can only be used to prevent death or serious bodily harm. I would hate to see someone get in a whole lot of trouble for doing something that they thought was legal. It is not.

You must be a yankee cause down here in the South shooting trespassers is the default.

Mike Goff
10-11-2012, 06:58 PM
You must be a yankee cause down here in the South shooting trespassers is the default.

True, I am a yankee. I would urge you to take a look at your attorney generals website. There are but a few states that allow the use of deadly force for protecting property. I believe that Texas is the only state that allows deadly force for tresspassers. Believe it or not, until a few years ago, most states did not even have a self defense law, instead they had a duty to retreat law. Things have changed, most people think that they know what they can and can not do. Most people are wrong.

Allen H
10-12-2012, 12:03 AM
in thinking more on your situation I remembered these. Put them near obvious paths and use them like a tripwire alarm. cheap and loud.
http://www.opentip.com/Electronics/Personal-Alarm-p-942605.html?gclid=COOTju7m-rICFRSSPAodv1wA3w

Cliff
10-12-2012, 07:35 AM
Very good idea! AND CHEAP!! ill use fishing line for trip wire and run it up my fence line. Thanks.