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Elliot Gardner
01-01-2013, 11:23 PM
I've been wanting to jump back into haunting for a while now, and finding an internship might be the right way to do it. I've only heard of getting one through the Zombie Army, but I wanted to know if there was something else out there. This would be great since Im still in school, and can't really commit to a haunt until I graduate. Who has thoughts?

Greg Chrise
01-01-2013, 11:27 PM
I can't tell if they are thoughts or more like voices.

Elliot Gardner
01-01-2013, 11:50 PM
Must be hard, especially when theres more than one

Greg Chrise
01-02-2013, 12:23 AM
Step one would be: Where are you located and what haunted houses or suppliers/vendors are located a reasonable distance from you.

there are 18 people named Elliott Gardner in places like Alabama; Maryland; New York; Virginia; Minnesota. Pennsylvania

Step two would be: to decide which Elliott Gardner you would like to be.

Step three would be: Match up who you want to be with where people want you to be.

Step four would be: Some business close to who you want to be is intrested in help.

I confered with me myself and I, they all seem to agree on these points.

Greg Chrise
01-02-2013, 12:50 AM
Maybe it doesn't matter where you are, you could be a virtual assistant? Can you do an Indian accent for customer service?

Darksidestew
01-02-2013, 05:56 AM
Zombie Army????? I could be wrong....Aren't they a T Shirt Company for the most part. I would second think that and get someone who s really a big part of this industry.

Stew

Allen H
01-02-2013, 06:20 AM
I use summer and fall interns at my shop. I am near Dallas Texas. If you are interested I will send you an Ap.
Allen H Stiltbeast@gmail.com

Darksidestew
01-02-2013, 06:51 AM
Now there you go! Alan is one of the best. I would grab that oportunity by the horns.

Good Luck

Stew

austind
01-02-2013, 07:03 AM
Allen I want to be your intern. Just a chance to see what is in Allen's head may be worth it. Real genius is one step from insanity from what I am told. If someone wants to learn about this industry and work on a well rounded knowledge of it them I think Allen is the man. Everyone on HW has learned a lot from Allen and the shocking thing he does it for mostly free. I personally like to thank Allen for what he has done for myself and this industry with the help he gives to everyone. There are some good guys in the haunted house industry and he is one of them. I have often thought that it would be nice if we had a mentor program for new Haunters to have a person to help bring them along in the industry. That is where a real haunted attraction association should be helping grow the industry.


Phatman

Darkangel
01-02-2013, 07:38 AM
Zombie Army????? I could be wrong....Aren't they a T Shirt Company for the most part. I would second think that and get someone who s really a big part of this industry.

Stew

Yeah I kinda thought that too but it looks like Transworld and MHC thinks the world of these guys.while I haven't seen any ground breaking stuff from their shows I have certainly seen and heard their infamous party habits and legendary drinking abilities. I guess that's all you need to make a name for yourself in this industry, constantly put your name out there in everyone's face and campaign for attention and run to the convention folks to set them up as industry leaders.


DA

Mike Goff
01-02-2013, 07:55 AM
Greg cracks me up

Deathwing
01-02-2013, 07:58 AM
Yeah I kinda thought that too but it looks like Transworld and MHC thinks the world of these guys.while I haven't seen any ground breaking stuff from their shows I have certainly seen and heard their infamous party habits and legendary drinking abilities. I guess that's all you need to make a name for yourself in this industry, constantly put your name out there in everyone's face and campaign for attention and run to the convention folks to set them up as industry leaders.


DA

DA,

There are a handful of guys in the same boat. It seems like some just can't get enough attention and can't see their name splashed around enough.


Jake

badass
01-03-2013, 06:33 AM
yeah..something needs to be done about this zombie army....
if we are not careful what they have will spread


/07ya2sDaNj4

Deathwing
01-03-2013, 06:56 AM
So is seeing this staged rap rock artsy video what one can expect for a tour each time through the haunt? Not going to lie the video looks good but it looks like a performance, and where are the zombies there were clowns, which is a bit off in a prison, and a bunch of lightly made up inmates.

Looks like fun making the video reminds me if my days back in knotts.



Jake

badass
01-03-2013, 08:14 AM
i think its a commercial...?
how dare this zombie army ? having their own flavor of haunting

here is another disgusting example.....nothing to learn from here

not to mention their web show..what slackers

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Darkangel
01-03-2013, 08:51 AM
Looks like you could learn a lot by watching their videos and touring their haunt. But at the shows I think you learn how many jäger bombs it takes to get drunk enough to dance shirtless in top the zombie army bus.

DA

badass
01-03-2013, 05:34 PM
so what your saying is the zombie army is great entertainment on and off the field.....

sounds so much better don't u think ???

your not hardcore if you don't live hardcore ...

i suggest taking notes

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Mike Goff
01-03-2013, 06:11 PM
That does sound better Tim and I agree with you.
Sometimes people should think about what they post, how they word it, and the fact that they are talking about another human being. Keyboards offer way too much cover. I don't know the Zombie Army people very well, but they always make me laugh, they are always friendly when I see them, they have a good time where ever they go, and they are obviously very talented. I don't see a problem.

austind
01-03-2013, 06:25 PM
They are not my cup of tea but they do their thing and have fun doing it. I don't see any harm in that. I don't like country music but I don't go saying crap about it. Well maybe that Billy Ray Cirus guy, but that was an isolated incident and I was drunk at the time. Live, love and have a little fun.


Phatman

Speculo
01-03-2013, 06:35 PM
I know the Zombie Army and they are great folks. They do a lot of interesting projects including special events, haunts and film production. On the surface it may seem like they are a bunch of crazy drinkers but they know exactly what they are doing. Yes they like to have fun but don't under estimate the creativity and ability of the group. Most of what you guys think is going on is a facade - I have seen a lot of other folks over the years at the conventions who cannot handle too much fun.... not these guys. Get to know them and what they do and I think you would be impressed.

Thanks!

Speculo
01-03-2013, 06:39 PM
Just saw your post Tim... I wish they would make that movie! Saw that trailer a few years ago... Cool stuff!

Darkangel
01-03-2013, 06:55 PM
Soooo, it's a good thing to be known as a wild drinker? Partying half naked and posting pics being proud of it is good? Ok my mistake I realize the world is changing but I was under the impression grown ass people who claim professionalism carrying on like frat boys under the legal age was frowned upon. My mistake. But the videos do look cool I hope to see more of their haunt and less of the party bus antics.

DA

Speculo
01-03-2013, 07:20 PM
I don't know about exactly what drunken videos or photos you are speaking of but I do feel fairly certain there have been haunters not in the group who have hung around the Zombie Army who maybe got a little too wrapped up in the party... Every Transworld, ..or more accurately every Haunt gathering we always seem to see a couple of our peers who hit the booze a little too hard. Go down to the bar at 2AM and be prepared for eye openers at any convention often from well known industry folks from whom you would never expect that sort of thing. ... I think some of what folks are seeing is more of a performance than a reality at least from most of the Zombie Army members. IMO

Thanks!

graystone
01-03-2013, 08:06 PM
I think Dark talking about MHC videos and packing 100 people in a short bus for 15 people LOL. I agree with Ben it happens some more than others though lol. I mean if I could leave it out of my party I would I DONT DRINK! But they want it and so I have to have it I am one of the few that's not drinking. But they do that at my party. I get my laughs and buzz off my friends and hanging out with them if they want booze thats them. I will say this there have been more than one time I have got up because they went from being drunk to just crying babies or smart asses. Shane and oh well to each his own! I play my way and let everyone else play theirs!

Darkangel
01-03-2013, 08:18 PM
I think Dark talking about MHC videos and packing 100 people in a short bus for 15 people LOL. I agree with Ben it happens some more than others though lol. I mean if I could leave it out of my party I would I DONT DRINK! But they want it and so I have to have it I am one of the few that's not drinking. But they do that at my party. I get my laughs and buzz off my friends and hanging out with them if they want booze thats them. I will say this there have been more than one time I have got up because they went from being drunk to just crying babies or smart asses. Shane and oh well to each his own! I play my way and let everyone else play theirs!

Right on Shane. I do enjoy a beer here and there but when it's at the forefront of every gathering it's pretty unfortunate. I've seen a lot of people do crazy things when away on conferences and I've seen more than a few jobs lost and marriages end due to drinking. I think that most kids drink like that before they are legal them by the time they reach 21 it's not as important, but some adults like to keep the partying going well into adulthood and its prevalent in this business and reflects poorly on everyone involved. Makes us look like uneducated carnies.

DA

Allen H
01-03-2013, 08:29 PM
Dark,
Great sentiment for another thread. Lets try to get this one back on track.

Darkangel
01-03-2013, 08:36 PM
Dark,
Great sentiment for another thread. Lets try to get this one back on track.

Allen, was that a typo or did you mean to omit the other guys who were off topic?

DA

Allen H
01-03-2013, 09:56 PM
I was terribly polite. I said "lets" that implies more than you. Seek offense to be upset about elsewhere as there is none here. Stay on topic please.

Greg Chrise
01-04-2013, 01:38 AM
How many haunts are using the term intern? Would this be a paid or unpaid professional position? Us uneducated carnies just make everyone Vice President of something. Vice President of Pizza, Vice President of extention cords, Vice President of air hoses, Vice President of Clown hair fashions and so on.

I sort of understand using respectful terms, sort of but, the forums seem to be hit regularly now with lots of college people and the terms they have been told. Are these terms being used practically in our real world?

Mike Goff
01-04-2013, 04:57 AM
I really like this idea. Not only does it give a young person an opportunity to learn the tricks of the trade, but it helps preserve the spirit of small business. I would also like to know the answer to Greg's question, what would the financial arrangement be?

Greg Chrise
01-04-2013, 09:04 AM
When I was young I got a job helping to make instruction manual notes on a big industrial testing machine and the union millwrights stopped me and said who are you. What do you have a college degree or something? How do you get to have a job here? Who are you? I paused and tried to understand this and said what every it takes to do an $8 an hour job, I'm pretty sure I got it. The reaction was Oh, okay. They were all probably making $12 an hour or $18.50 per hour but it was more being non union and am I allowed to pass the troll kind of crap.

Years later I worked my way up to being supervisor of the test facility by actual knowledge of the facility and demonstrated leadership, not by having a degree. The company had a fancy sounding name like Boeing Aerospace. They would send up new people being cross utilized from other departments and I would never do that same thing. Rather we would all get together and stand in front of a new guy and ask things like. So what do you do. (and not give time to answer) Do you have any dance moves? Can you sing? Do you tell jokes? Do you have any entertainment value what so ever? No matter what they said we would say oh, okay! Then kid, around here everyone has a degree, so you are gonna need one of these. We had cut up an advertisement about you too can get a college degree in drafting, restaraunt management, business management, computer tech, drafting career. Each little picture looked like a little degree certificate and we had cut them out of the magazine and stuck them up on the wall in our tool cage. Each of us had decided with one we wanted and which one the new guy was going to need.

SO even in an professional, research and industrial environment I never heard buzz words like "intern" I find it kind of odd anyone uses this language in haunted houses. It may have been adopted with live theater actors? Or this is some new hip college buzz word. Still I don't like it because it kind of denotes being subserviant or a willingness to be subserviant. Or the definitions are to shadow some professional to learn a trade like an apprentice to either work there or develop a network and skills of their own, denoting being able to go work for anyone with standard skills and ideas. To some degree I really doubt we have any higher level standards of operation that are common to every industry location like it is all some vetted position heirarchy. I do hear it in medical positions but then the same term is used in vet clinics cleaning out cages too so that kind of washes out any real respectful use of the words being used in a language.

So maybe my first post should have been What do you got kid? Can you dance? Do you do Jazz hands? Ballerina stuff? What kind of entertainment value can you offer?

Or wadda ya wanna do, scratch your way into middle management? YOu wanna be a YES man?

drkside77
01-04-2013, 01:12 PM
I dont think the word you use to describe this matters. I wanna learn more about the industry, and Im exploring whatever options are out there. I dont care about buzzwords, leave that shit on Twitter. I just want to find a way to learn more...

(this is Elliot, I finally got access to my old account)

austind
01-04-2013, 02:28 PM
Elliot what state are you from. What it sounds like is you need a mentor to help show you the ropes. I like that you are assertive enough to come out and say I want to learn and where would be a good place for me to invest my time in learning about this industry. Good for you. Now someone on this forum should see this in you and want you to come work with them. I told you earlier that I love to see how Allen does things, just because he seem to be able to give a solution to most people's question on the forum. I don't live in Texas so I don't have that opertunity. But I did not see you say what area of the country you are from, so nobody can recommend someone for you to talk to with out knowing that. There are a bunch of great people on this forum and I am sure someone is out there that can help you achieve your goal, but they need to know more about you too and if they are going to take the time to help you along then what kind of person are you. Are you a team player, use them and leave, self starter, or just someone fishing because haunting sounds cool. Haunting for some of the guys out here is not just a job it's a lifestyle. Good luck finding what you are looking for and I hope it works out for you.


Phatman

Greg Chrise
01-04-2013, 03:17 PM
I think Elliot need a copywriter.....First draft

Hello everyone on Hauntworld. Thanks in advance in for any helpful advice. My name is Elliot Gardner and I'm orginally from West Mifflin Pa and worked 3 seasons at the Hundred Acres Haunted House in South Park Pa. during high school. I'm in college now taking up theatrical studies and at age 21 would like to know how I can gain more experience. I like the people at Hundred Acres haunt but, I'm not sure I can find inner light staying in Pittsburgh Pa. So if you could please let me work for the summer anywhere in the country and please let me know if there are rail tracks and hobo camps near you haunt or haunt studio so I can get there and find lodging. I will require at least one foot long subway sandwich and a drink per day as total compensation.

I would love to be involved in set build up, mask making and installing special effects. It seems none of you are on Twitter at all so this is my introduction and I look forward to hearing what kind of assistance any pro haunt would be needing this summer.

Thanks Elliot Gardner

P.S. Don't tell my parents I'm going to possibly be wasting my education on haunted houses instead of theater and independent films because I really enjoy the haunted house experience. Please refer to me as Drkside77 so my mom doesn't find out it is me.

drkside77
01-04-2013, 03:34 PM
Mask making was never really interesting to me. Im really glad that someone out there is reading what I put on my profiles and such, thanks Greg :) An education is also as useful as you make it, although like you said before it doesn't matter what education you have. Im always comforted to know that haunters are so witty and easy to get along with.

Front Yard Fright
01-04-2013, 03:35 PM
Elliot,

I have spent the past two years looking for what you're in search of. I have networked with haunters all across the map and have traveled to several shows in hopes of finding a new place to call "home".

Like you, I'm looking to further my knowledge in the haunt industry and have been doing everything I can think of to find my nitch. All I can say is do your homework, attend shows like Transworld and MHC and network as much as possible. Sooner or later you'll find someone who's looking to expand their show or would be willing to take you under their wing.

I'm actually moving out to PA in a few weeks to be a part of HAM. Can I ask why you're no longer associated with them?

drkside77
01-04-2013, 03:46 PM
I left HAM because I felt like there was something more I could be doing. What I learned from them was great, but I really wanted to focus on what I was really passionate about. Going to school for tech theater made a lot of sense. I wanted to do haunted houses and I loved doing theater so it was just fit. Ive done a lot of plays since leaving HAM, but I've been missing haunts for a bit.

Greg Chrise
01-04-2013, 03:48 PM
I in reply to your eloquent request for greater knowledge in the haunted house industry, welcome Elliot. I'm actually from Pittsburgh Pa and the last places I lived was West Mifflin and Library Pa way before there was a haunted house in the area and I have to agree that unless you are into strip clubs and mass quantities of alcohol, there isn't much to do in Pittsburgh that a degree in the arts is going to do for you.

My honest suggestion is not to consider running away with the circus just yet and using your studies to first apply to the highest paying industries your talents can grab hold of first and if that doesn't work out or manifest, then run away with the circus. It is better to have an income and partake in all the seasonal things haunted houses do on a part time basis than consider it is going to be a full time, long term income at any one location.

I have a younger cousin that ended up in Hollywood effects studios and a younger brother that runs the computer systems or CNN in Atlanta Georgia. All from Pittsburgh. Only after so many successful careers and business aqisitions did I end up being able to enjoy haunted houses. First and foremost you should consider only opportunities that are truely going to look good on a resume 10 years from now and actually provide some income.

I think working for Allen and his associates might be one option and I do recommend relocating to a warmer more fun city that Pittsburgh. Using Google Streets I wandered around all the places I had lived and visited and nothing at all has been improved there in the last 50 years. Not one thing. No reason to go back to. So I do advise moving to California or Texas to a larger city where the arts truely have a budget instead of Pittsburgh where the disturbed mind of haunted house people are quite naturally developed and Batman and vampire movies can be filmed with no CGI what so ever because everything is already dark and deteriorated.

Or at worst case it looks to me like there are two great haunted house locations and work at Kennywood available in the Pittsburgh area. Yet, Hundred acres looks like a pretty good attraction as does the one on the North side. That is what they generally are all across the country. The ones better than that already have quite a few people local to them eager to help out so it would take specific talent to even be considered for a position.

But, like I said, I'm not sure if these are thoughts or voices in my head. Thankyou for your time.