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austind
02-27-2013, 12:10 PM
My question is do you belong to the Haunted Attraction Association? Or do you have another that you have joined. I am a person who thinks that a national organization is good for dealing with industry issues that a individual is to small to go deal with. I am planning on joining again now that my membership has lapsed but did not know if there were better options. I am not posting this to start a debate but just to see what everyone else is doing and why.

Phatman

Tater
02-27-2013, 12:17 PM
I am, only because of the auction

austind
02-27-2013, 01:06 PM
Thanks Tater, I love your tag line it is like you are talking directly at me. What auction? Remember I'm a little slow.

Phatman

Tater
02-27-2013, 02:41 PM
The HAA Auction I think its Saturday afternoon. I always donate myself in hopes someone wants me for a weekend.

austind
02-27-2013, 03:30 PM
I usually don't do auctions because I'm to competitive and hate to lose so I tend to over pay just to win.

Phatman

graystone
02-27-2013, 03:32 PM
My question is do you belong to the Haunted Attraction Association? Or do you have another that you have joined. I am a person who thinks that a national organization is good for dealing with industry issues that a individual is to small to go deal with. I am planning on joining again now that my membership has lapsed but did not know if there were better options. I am not posting this to start a debate but just to see what everyone else is doing and why.

Phatman

True but sadly its dead in the water! I think I speak for many! Shane and it's WAS A GOOD THING WAS!

austind
02-27-2013, 04:00 PM
It would be nice if we had an organization that could work on a haunt specific set of national fire codes for haunts only, building codes and such. We should be setting the standards so that FM and building departments have standard that fit the haunt industry and don't have to go off of standards set for other venues. Over the last few years I think the biggest reasons for haunts going out of business was the cost of meeting fire codes. Now that the economy stinks those haunts that did do the modifications to meet code were so strapped for cash that they couldn't make it through the tough times. If we were more proactive we could set reasonable standards that fit our needs. I have talked to 3 different FM and got 3 different interpretations of the same code, it's like they don't know what they should do with a haunted house. Shane I think you should heads this up for the industry, I was in your class last year and saw how well you dealt with the FM in the class. LOL

Phatman

Darkangel
02-27-2013, 04:20 PM
True but sadly its dead in the water! I think I speak for many! Shane and it's WAS A GOOD THING WAS!

Truer words were never spoken. It's the same people running it every year too.

DA

Grimley
02-27-2013, 04:38 PM
Joined several different variations of said organization but none seem worth it.

drfrightner
02-28-2013, 03:01 AM
Associations for this industry just don't work and honestly in the end aren't really needed. If you hadn't noticed we've never had more haunt industry PEACE in years! I feel its because there is no association to divide people... let people think for themselves and argue, debate or discuss things on an open forum.

I think too often we get people wanting to run these things for the WRONG reasons... take the new association for example. Same President four years straight I think... c'mon already! Why?

The very first thing they did was to alienate people they didn't like ... what is new there? That is the story of associations in our industry past and present. These are my opinions and its the way I feel about it if you feel different do as you please. But I think you'll realize its like pouring water down the drain.

Show me the benefit to joining! Keep your money avoid them all together and let the thing die the sooner the better. If an association could or would actually do some good for all I would be 110% in favor if it embraced all haunts, all people as equal and the boards and officers rotated yearly, and lastly updated their website at the very least. LOL. The current HHA hasn't updated the news section in two years! Check it for yourself. So that begs the question what do they do?

Larry

austind
02-28-2013, 09:46 AM
Wow you are right about the newest posted item I saw was from 2009. I was a member but never receive any thing from them other than a email thanking me for joining. That was years ago and I don't think they have done anything ever since. Just wanted to know if I was missing anything. Doesn't look like I have. Well not one person has said that it was worth joining and they did not place a post so it must be true what Shane said and they are dead. Thanks for the input guys.

Phatman

Darkangel
02-28-2013, 11:14 PM
Why is it the same guy is allowed to be president for so long? Aren't there term limits? It feels a lot like the old IAHA again.

DA

graystone
03-01-2013, 08:24 AM
Why is it the same guy is allowed to be president for so long? Aren't there term limits? It feels a lot like the old IAHA again.

DA

LOL it is!!!!!!!! Shane and that's what it is exactly!

Joe P
03-01-2013, 08:52 AM
They took my money made me sign up and I got a button! Thats it! No correspondence no info, no discounts no voting rights nothing, just took my dues and forgot about me! Although I would love to have some set standards when it comes to the FM cause I would like to tell mine to F OFF!

wickedfarmer
03-01-2013, 09:06 AM
I know no one personally on any of these groups. So when I step on your toes now...sorry...but tough. I have been DEEPLY involved with farm associations. Good ones...bad ones and wastes of time ones. Common thing I saw among the farm groups was we had 3 types on boards of directors. Ones there for status, ones for actually doing something...and ones who had nothing better to do; who usually were wastes of oxygen.

I servesd as high as on the state board of directors for one group. My neighbor was heavily into the organisation on national level and got me to run for state board. Must have been a shock to him when one of first things I did was "fire" him from representing Michigan at national board. I was elected by other farmers to do what was good for the organisation. At one time he was DAMN GOOD. But he had gotten to "good ole boy" status and not doing his job, just skating along on status. The ripple effects did some good. What a low life I was; putting good of the whole over friendship. But if a leader can't do that, they have no business representing the industry.

Many times talking with Seantors or Reps. it was down right embarassing to listen to the "nothing better to do" people you knew sound like a complete IDIOT in front of members of Congress. And members of Congress gravitated to them recognising them as ignorant, and thus harmless to them and used them as a shield navigating through a photo op.

Now I am extremely happy we farmers have a few decent groups. And some good people in our industry who day in day out stand up to the ignorant beurocracy. But if the people in power of the group are no good, the organisation IS A HINDRANCE to your industry not a help.

Wicked Farmer

geckofx
03-02-2013, 03:26 AM
Maybe a large part of the issue is that we are looking at the wrong problems in the industry to approach with a collective body. There seems to have been this focus on standards and support by all previous organizations. It goes without saying that hasn't really accomplished much. Maybe instead we should be looking at archiving and recognition? Approximately how many attractions are there in the US currently? How many in Georgia? In Macon County? How many of them are large commercial attractions? Home attractions? Charities? Volunteer based? Attend Transworld? Attend MHC? And how does all this data compare to 2000? To 1990? To 1980? When did the peppers ghost start appearing in attractions? Pneumatic Props? Fog Machines? What are the current fog companies? Fog formulas?

We are absolutely wonderful about sharing information in this industry. Honestly almost everyone is willing to tell you how they did something, why, what works, what doesn't. Sit and talk with you for hours about their attraction, and every attraction they have ever had a part in. But we are absolutely terrible about recording this knowledge and then making it accessible in some useful manor.

And then we need to include vendors in on all of this because it will help them to target products at what we need. Was this a bad year all around for everyone? Time to churn out cheaper products that will meet the demand. A fantastic year, everyone is up? Time to roll out those crazy elaborate ideas you've been sitting on for years but could never justify the investment in.

And then recognition. Who's been in this industry for 20, 30, 40, 50 years? What vendors have been around since dirt was invented? How old is Distortions? Same owners? What attractions have been around for 20, 30, 40, 50 years? Who got up in front of their state senate and made a hell of an argument as to why this industry is safe? Who won a landmark legal case that could help us all keep from getting sued?

There is a huge potential for a central body that doesn't seek to control the industry but instead sits back and archives everything we go through. And then makes this information freely available so that we can preserve the state of the industry at any given time. Anyone attached to this industry in any way should be able to join. Attraction, vendor, individual, charity, doesn't matter. Then those of us who are fortunate enough to be doing well should donate to keep the wheels turning. Not because its the only way we can join the club, but instead because it's something we actually believe in.





Harold
DHD

Haunted Illinois
03-03-2013, 04:32 PM
According to their website, they allow a wide variety of people/groups to join their Association, which I think is a recipe for failure. The following categories are listed on their website enrollment page: Student, Enthusiast,Professional Actor, Home Haunter, Commercial Haunter, Commercial Haunted Attraction, Amusement Park/Zoo, Small Business Vendor, Large Business Vendor,Convention Producer.

One of the biggest problems with the Haunted Attraction Association is that they try to be everything for everyone, which will never work. When you create an association, how could it possibly be successful if all of your members have different needs and/or a different/conflicting agenda? It’s just absurd to assume that enthusiasts, home haunters, commercial haunted attractions, vendors, actors and convention promoters all have the same needs/goals.

austind
03-03-2013, 04:38 PM
Adam that is a good point. When you try to be everything to every body you really can't accomplish anything.

Phatman

Slain
03-04-2013, 12:55 PM
In my tenure in the haunt industry I have been a part of all of them either a member or as a board member.. Wow what a waste of time and effort and money.

spookhole
03-04-2013, 01:06 PM
Wow you are right about the newest posted item I saw was from 2009. I was a member but never receive any thing from them other than a email thanking me for joining. That was years ago and I don't think they have done anything ever since. Just wanted to know if I was missing anything. Doesn't look like I have. Well not one person has said that it was worth joining and they did not place a post so it must be true what Shane said and they are dead. Thanks for the input guys.

Phatman

Austin..Dont be fooled by the tricks Larry played on you. He owns the HHA site and last I heard wont give it over(In his right he doesnt need to, but directing people to go to that site was alittle bit wrong). We are talking about the Haunted Attraction Ass. While it is a NOT waste of time, I just wanted you to get the right facts

Jolly Pumpkin
03-04-2013, 01:15 PM
What does the money from the auction go towards? The Haunted Attraction Association has a website, but besides that what other costs does the association have? At the auction, are they going to explain this? It looks like all the benefits for members are available on the website besides the banner members receive. Am I missing something here? It looks like their only costs as far as I can see is their website which shouldn't be much since it's a pretty simple website.

wickedfarmer
03-04-2013, 01:28 PM
I think what Jolly Pumpkin wants is a treasures report. A good one doesnt just give current balances and budget but insight into what balances are being saved for ie future projects, war chest, etc.

Wicked Farmer

austind
03-04-2013, 01:33 PM
So in 3 years they have not been able to get a new site going? Larry is only one person of many to make statements on here and I am yet to see one that says they think its a good idea to join. How could there be not even one person? Does the board not monitor HW to see what is going on as far as comments or do they have no defense for the statements made here. I am a member of the NFPA and that helps with the FM but as far as showing cities that you are a profesional business HAA may fit that need even if they dont do anything else for me. People trust large organizations more than individuals and being part of a organization helps even if its a logo on your letter head. From what I have seen that is all they provide so is that worth it? Thanks for all the comments and I will have to see what I do from here, but it is unlikely I will join.

Phatman

Jolly Pumpkin
03-04-2013, 02:04 PM
No, I just want to know what the money from the auction goes towards. If people are going to bid, they should know.

wickedondvd
03-04-2013, 02:12 PM
austind, why pay to use the logo? It is an association that does not do anything. Just use the logo if you want, it is not like they even check to see who is using the logo and if they are actual members or not. Besides if anyone outside of the industry checks on the association (if you use the logo on letterhead, website, etc), they won't get anywhere with them.

Darkangel
03-04-2013, 03:19 PM
So in 3 years they have not been able to get a new site going? Larry is only one person of many to make statements on here and I am yet to see one that says they think its a good idea to join. How could there be not even one person? Does the board not monitor HW to see what is going on as far as comments or do they have no defense for the statements made here. I am a member of the NFPA and that helps with the FM but as far as showing cities that you are a profesional business HAA may fit that need even if they dont do anything else for me. People trust large organizations more than individuals and being part of a organization helps even if its a logo on your letter head. From what I have seen that is all they provide so is that worth it? Thanks for all the comments and I will have to see what I do from here, but it is unlikely I will join.

Phatman

The reason is because Larry forbid anyone to post from the HAA in his forums a couple years ago, he said so on here. So they can't post here if they are not allowed. But they have bigger problems on their hands they do nothing and the email they send out are completely worthless with no valuable info. I mean, who wants to see a picture from the president every single single email that's sent out. He must be getting paid a nice chuck to be on as the president for IAHA for years then HAA for year after year. It's not like any if the members are even industry leaders at this point seems like they'll take anyone willing to run.

DA

austind
03-04-2013, 07:18 PM
Farmer if they are a 501 3C non profit inc has to provide financials to members if requested. Now they don't have to send you a copy, all they have to let you see them in there office. And to answer wickedondvd I am a firm believer in paying for what I use, no video bootlegs and no music either. Just because they don't really provide any real service does not mean you can use their logo without permission. I know this is old fashion but that's the way I do business and it has worked for me for many years now.

Phatman