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Evernight
04-24-2013, 02:35 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows a good place to get a flash intro for a website done - That's all we are looking for is a nice intro page for our website, we already have the site, hosting, etc. - Just want to spice up the start page for it all.

Thanks!!

tonguesandwich
04-24-2013, 03:04 PM
I was looking into adobe Edge Animate instead.... so ipad users can see it. Wonder if anyone is using it in this community yet?

imagineer
04-24-2013, 03:25 PM
I used to make Flash movies and was upset about the Ipad not allowing flash movies, games, or applications. These days, you can view Flash but you either need to jailbreak, or do some extra questionable steps to get it to work. The ipad I have used shows it just fine, but still might not work for everyone, not worth the effort.

If your still interested in doing flash, maybe you would like to have the animation made in After Effects first. This would give you almost limitless special movie effects and then can be saved as a Flash file. Your animator should know how to add the fast load (I forget the actual name) that now comes standard with the program.

Google custom made After Effects animation.
If that won't work:
Google custom made Flash animation.

Evernight
04-24-2013, 04:25 PM
I will look into those programs but was more looking for someone else that makes them - I have so many projects going on that I never get around to doing what needs to be done on the website - so learning yet another program might not happen quick enough :)

Front Yard Fright
04-24-2013, 05:27 PM
Just my 2 cents, but I thought flash intros were on their way out??? Seems old fashioned to me.

If you're going to invest in making any intro I would simply make a video and upload it directly to YouTube. That way you know your customers will be able to view it regardless if they are on their desktop or phone.

Evernight
04-24-2013, 05:31 PM
We have actually tossed around the idea of doing a video "commercial" this year...so that actually may be a cheaper way to go, then just design a nice creepy graphic to go around the video window.

Front Yard Fright
04-24-2013, 05:55 PM
I feel like that would be money well spent. With so many people on their iPhones these days, it seems silly to invest in something that a many people won't even be aware of. Again, just my 2 cents. :)

Let us know what you decide to do!

NightmareAftershockLLC
04-24-2013, 06:56 PM
Flash is done. Too much work for little results. Invest in a good mobile site and a clean layout with a tiny flash or HTML navigation bar. Too busy of a design will lose your customers.

Http://www.hundredacresmanor.com is one my my favorite at this point. SO clean and concise!

NightmareAftershockLLC
04-24-2013, 06:58 PM
Of course, this is all only my opinion. I'm always wrong anyways :)

Evernight
04-24-2013, 07:48 PM
Actually I really like the site you posted - haven't really seen too many sites set up like that....and your right the clean layout looks just as impressive

MovieRelics
04-24-2013, 08:17 PM
As a web developer, let me throw my two cents in here to hopefully help everyone thinking about their website and potential users.

STAY AWAY FROM FLASH!

Now that doesn't mean that you can't have a great site. You just need to find a great developer using the new standards and tech. Flash is an outdated, memory taking plugin that even Adobe (The maker of Flash) is moving away from to embrace new standards like HTML 5. You need to find a developer that uses HTML 5 and stuff like JQuery to deliver a great looking website that is cross platform. Meaning that the same website will work and display correctly no matter if your looking at it on a PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, Kindle, Android, or any device that has a web browser.
You can still deliver video and other multimedia elements, just without the lead weight around your neck that's flash.

Why would you spend $2,000+ on a website that only a small percentage of your target customers can access?? Mobile is becoming the new, if not already, standard. Develop your websites that can be served on all these devices. Don't just go for the bells and whistles because it looks cool, but develop a great looking website that can actually be accessed by people on the device they choose. It reminds me of all the news articles I saw the last couple of years about restaurant websites that only are only built in Flash, so the thousands of users trying to access their website to look at their menus on iPhones and other mobile devices were not able to. You lose of on a lot of potential users. And with Mobile becoming the new standard, it's not something to ignore.

Have your website created using the new standards. If your web guy can't or doesn't know them, it's time get a new web guy that is keeping up with and looking towards new standards. It's no different than if you were to hire a contractor that doesn't know the new building codes. You wouldn't do it for your house or haunt, don't do it for your website. It's the first thing your customers will see and use, so don't give them a crap experience right off the bat.

Evernight
04-24-2013, 09:04 PM
Thanks everyone - you have all made great points, I really appreciate the feedback on this - between Adobe Edge that I just looked at, and the video idea I think I know what direction we are headed in.

tonguesandwich
04-24-2013, 09:32 PM
Check out Adobe Muse too for website design... It's drag and drop graphics. Looks like an hr learning curve if that. Haven't been able to play with it yet. It's fairly new and after your 30 day trial if u like it u can get adobe iCloud which has everything including after affects for pennies on the dollar. It's a monthly subscription fee.
If you have the pics, a little edge animation which is replacing flash on the adobe platform, maybe a video clip/player you can blow it out very fast.. You won't need a web designer to make your updates or changes.. It's getting pretty simple.

Front Yard Fright
04-25-2013, 12:40 AM
The Hundred Acres Manor website was done by Tyler Kozar. As well as websites he does amazing work with branding as well as video.

I can put you two in contact if you're interested.

Evernight
04-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the suggestions on Adobe Muse - This program is pretty cool , and fairly easy to learn. I have been working with it about 6 hours total and have only had a few issues with it - We decided to go with the nice clean look that was given to us as an example, here's what we have so far:

tonguesandwich
04-27-2013, 01:07 PM
Sweet.. I got to get my butt on it too. I have had it since it released but with our move its been on the back burner. Site looks great and you have absolute control!

HauntLover
04-29-2013, 11:38 PM
You can't go wrong with Rogues Hollow Productions. They've done lots of sites/flash for attractions in the industry.

MorgueofDoom
04-30-2013, 11:08 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not a professional web designer by any means, but my experience is if your looking to get the most results and search engine optimization out of your website I wouldn't use flash over your entire page. Flash doesn't offer much of any html content for search engines to crawl and log. So if your home page is all flash the bots will never sweep the rest of your site. They will just scroll over it, log very little (probably just the title) and move on elsewhere. Flash in the headers of sites seem to be ok because there's other content on the page to crawl. You want them to crawl your site as much as possible in order to get the most of search engines when someone is trying to find you online. The url posted earlier is awesome because the video is embed in the site instead of being an entire flash intro, therefore still offering html content for search engines to read and continue through the rest of your site. Same goes for pictures on your site. Rename your pics before you upload them, avoid "image_123456" and name the picture to work with your attraction in case the media wants to use your pictures on their sites. It will help extend your name even further online. Also, remember to alt text pictures too so when people search for your attraction your pictures will show up in google images, or yahoo images. At the same time, don't name every picture the name of your attraction. Name it what the picture is. The search engines will log anything that's written in html, unless graphics have been alt texted they will pass by those. Just some other things to keep in mind when building your site. Keep it simple, easy to follow for both patrons and search engines. Also, make sure that if there's a page that navigates away from your site that there is link back to your site. There is way more qualified web designers than me on here but this has been my experience. Hope that helps you.

Evernight
04-30-2013, 11:36 AM
Thanks for the tips on the image names - hadn't really even thought about that.

MovieRelics
04-30-2013, 03:02 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not a professional web designer by any means, but my experience is if your looking to get the most results and search engine optimization out of your website I wouldn't use flash over your entire page. Flash doesn't offer much of any html content for search engines to crawl and log. So if your home page is all flash the bots will never sweep the rest of your site. They will just scroll over it, log very little (probably just the title) and move on elsewhere. Flash in the headers of sites seem to be ok because there's other content on the page to crawl. You want them to crawl your site as much as possible in order to get the most of search engines when someone is trying to find you online. The url posted earlier is awesome because the video is embed in the site instead of being an entire flash intro, therefore still offering html content for search engines to read and continue through the rest of your site. Same goes for pictures on your site. Rename your pics before you upload them, avoid "image_123456" and name the picture to work with your attraction in case the media wants to use your pictures on their sites. It will help extend your name even further online. Also, remember to alt text pictures too so when people search for your attraction your pictures will show up in google images, or yahoo images. At the same time, don't name every picture the name of your attraction. Name it what the picture is. The search engines will log anything that's written in html, unless graphics have been alt texted they will pass by those. Just some other things to keep in mind when building your site. Keep it simple, easy to follow for both patrons and search engines. Also, make sure that if there's a page that navigates away from your site that there is link back to your site. There is way more qualified web designers than me on here but this has been my experience. Hope that helps you.

Everything you said is spot on and correct. If you site is flash, then SEO will skip it because it can't read the text or images in the site. I've said it once, I'll say it again, Flash is going the way of the dinosaur. Use a developer that can code with HTML 5 standards.

Evernight
05-12-2013, 09:04 AM
So spent a few more hours last night working on the website with Adobe Muse - The site still has some tweaks that need to be done, and some new additions will be added once we get our new photos & video shot for this years event.

Here is where it is at right now: www.evernighthaunt.com

Any feedback is appreciated - it is still a work in progress but it's getting there.

screamforadream
05-12-2013, 07:56 PM
Hey Joe,

I just checked the link from my phone, and I didn't see an intro page (I didn't know if you had one but since that was the topic it's what I thought the link was too and wast sure if my phone skipped it lol).

I like the main page, I really do, simple is MUCH better, you know it needs a bit more detail but the simple layout was VERY iPhone friendly, which is obviously HUGE now, (let's face it, more people see you from their phone than from their laptops now anyway).

It may look different on a laptop, but the ONLY negative thing I noticed about the site was the very top banner/rectangle that says "4 Attractions- 1 Location". I absolutely could not read that font that says that and had to zoom in on it to see what it said, and that's a HUGE thing to advertise and point out, yeah it's a cool creepy font but if that doesn't translate clearly onto a phone....how am I supposed to know? Maybe you could alter that to a more clear font, but other than that, I love it!

Evernight
05-12-2013, 08:17 PM
Thanks for letting me know how it handled on a phone - We skipped doing the flash intro after hearing everyone's thoughts on it - So the page you saw was the intro.

I will definitely change the font for the area you said was hard to read - The page has not been optimized at all for phones or tablets....that's the part I am tackling next since Adobe Muse allows you to create a phone version as well as a tablet version of the site :)

We will be adding some new pictures to the site for backgrounds once we get our photographer to take some new teaser photos, and the intro video will hopefully be replaced with a "preview trailer" for this years attraction.

Thanks again for giving your feedback I appreciate it!

screamforadream
05-14-2013, 06:53 PM
Anytime, it's coming out really good Joe, can't wait to see the finished site! :)

All the best buddy!