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Jast223
10-23-2007, 01:38 AM
Ok I was surfing the net particularly Myspace when I cam across this film of a scene in a haunted house. Question is... Is the material shown ethical to put in a show? Take a look and let me know. TY Link Below.
http://vidsearch.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13824835

bodybagging
10-23-2007, 04:49 AM
Worked For Me!!!!!!

Ghost River Duck
10-23-2007, 05:51 AM
eehhh, not really my taste. It was neat when the guy did it in the movie "Mouth of Madness" but I wouldn't put it in my house. Too many people know someone personally who committed suicide and they are not going to be amused by that. But hey, somebody has to identify the limits don't they?

Jim Warfield
10-23-2007, 07:19 AM
"Word" and reputation get out, next year the ticket-buying public will be casting their "Vote", those greenish little rectangles with presidents on them will or will not be forthcoming to a greater or lessor degree.

bhays
10-23-2007, 08:06 AM
How does he do the smoke out of his mouth? The air cannon is simple.

Ghost River Duck
10-23-2007, 08:34 AM
It's in the shotgun that e puts in his mouth

Ken Spriggs
10-23-2007, 09:59 AM
Gee it's called fun with editing!

The film jerks right before the smoke is let out.
Simple.....cut....take cigarette and fill mouth ...... action....exhale

Now I really might not agree with everything the Haunted Hootchie does.......but I also like to push limits.

Brandon_K
10-23-2007, 10:01 AM
Maybe it's because I'm younger, but I didn't have any issues with it.

I mean, we see it in movies and even on TV now, why would it be any different in a attraction that is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable?

Ghost River Duck
10-23-2007, 10:26 AM
Gee it's called fun with editing!

The film jerks right before the smoke is let out.
Simple.....cut....take cigarette and fill mouth ...... action....exhale

Now I really might not agree with everything the Haunted Hootchie does.......but I also like to push limits.

You're right. I went back and watched it again. You can see it in the run off on the screen in the back ground. Like I said, to each his own. Just not my bag of bones.

screamshow
10-23-2007, 10:42 AM
My father killed himself that way and I don't really have a problem with a haunted attraction doing it. It all depends on where you want to be as far as gore and gross out.

And, of course, on how many customers you wish to have. High school kids might love it --

might--

But their parent's won't. You won't get the middle school kids and younger, you will cut into the high school crowd, you will cut into every demographic group there is. What you have to weight is whether or not the cost (and there is a cost to everything) is worth it. Remember, you are not in business to entertain yourself. This is not to say that the critics are always RIGHT. Walt Disney faced tons of critics when he built Disneyland. They predicted his swift financial ruin. But Disney understood the market better than they.

Mr. Haunt
10-23-2007, 10:47 AM
It might be a good scare to get you jumping, but I would not do something so graphic. I think they could have done something differant.

It would be nice to know how many complaints they have gotten.


Brian

AcoreMANNER
10-23-2007, 10:50 AM
I wouldnt.

I went to Knottsscaryfarm with my girlfriend this year...She has had an unbelievable, horrific past...that I wont go into. Just know she has had a gory, violent past. We got through about 4 mazes, and she was emotionally drained. It DOES effect people....and there ARE people out there that have had unimaginable things happen to them, and they live with these memorys they dont wanna be reminded of.
Dude you know what? The red inside is nothing to mess with, its real And you know??...killing yourself may be a topic that will distract from the show. You want to entertain them and strike fear in their souls,,,,not make them feel bad about life by seeing a suicide.
However, if.....IF you pitch the scene right....it could work. I see a reall quick delivery on this if you were gonna use it. For example, lights come on in a room, guy shoots himself or whatever, lights go off....guests move on.

Tater
10-23-2007, 11:26 AM
Just a quick note, The Hauted Hoochie/Dead Acres does this as the first scene you see as you walk in. When i was there people werent upset by it, but the blood flinger behind him wasnt working so all we got was the noise.

haunter112
10-23-2007, 01:17 PM
It's not all that clever or entertaining and it will offend at least 20% of your customers.

Why do it?

Brandon_K
10-23-2007, 01:33 PM
I know it would make many of our patrons feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable can do more for a mind set than an actor jumping out to startle you.

Ghost River Duck
10-23-2007, 01:46 PM
I tell you what wouldn't be bad though. Take that same scene, better acting of course and less lines. Have him lean his head back, put the gun in his mouth, and hit them right there in the legs/ waist with an airblast cannon- one of the good, homemade ones with a 2 1/2" pipe and no decent regulator on it that will make you jump even when you know it's coming. Then the actor screams with laughter and skips out of the scene laughing. Now in my humble opinion, THAT would be a good first room to set the mood. Heck I might use that myself next year.

screamshow
10-23-2007, 03:31 PM
I tell you what wouldn't be bad though. Take that same scene, better acting of course and less lines. Have him lean his head back, put the gun in his mouth, and hit them right there in the legs/ waist with an airblast cannon- one of the good, homemade ones with a 2 1/2" pipe and no decent regulator on it that will make you jump even when you know it's coming. Then the actor screams with laughter and skips out of the scene laughing. Now in my humble opinion, THAT would be a good first room to set the mood. Heck I might use that myself next year.


Not a bad idea actually.

On another note, now that I think about it, there is no way in hell I would allow anything like this with a real weapon.

Haunted Castle
10-24-2007, 06:23 AM
call me a dummy but still don't know how he done it, ok you say there is an air cannon, but what does the blood shoot out of when it hits the plastic. thanks

Jim Warfield
10-24-2007, 07:42 AM
"Haunting" comes from Ghosts, which a suicide victim could be, a ghost. But a house full of murderers is a "Murder House",
Gore, guts and blood is a Crime Scene. Funny how the definition of "Haunted House" changed over the last 35 years. Anyone else notice this?
Maybe I'm more touchy about this since I have to spend so much time explaining to the general public what my house is not. I'm definately old definition here.

Maybe the haunting is what sometimes happens to the paying customers as the bloody stuff haunts their little dreams afterwards?
Sure. that haunts many young minds, usually the ones who won't EVER be coming back again to buy one of your tickets! (I have met SO MANY of these victims over these last 20 years)
They never return to the gore places, they don't send their friends, bring their kids, or tell their friends......lost income...kind of like serving rotten food in a restaurant, who returns for more ?
Well, I have , but there was only one place in town that served food!
"Food"??? Slimey roast beast and black crusted cherry pie, she finally went out of business! It only took 6 years?

screamshow
10-24-2007, 01:11 PM
call me a dummy but still don't know how he done it, ok you say there is an air cannon, but what does the blood shoot out of when it hits the plastic. thanks

Compressed air shoots the blood and glop. It's no different than your typical exploding toilet gag. Just load it with red stuff instead of water.

DeadAcres01
10-24-2007, 02:55 PM
It's amazing how people will still compare real life tragedies with attractions like these. I absolutely LOVE this haunt and get a kick out of the people that take it so seriously, if they're scared beyond belief than I feel I've done my job well that evening.

Blacksmith
10-24-2007, 06:23 PM
Well to be fair, it IS the Haunted Hoochie. They try to gross out as many people as they can.
Once you know that, this sort of scene shouldn't surprise you.

TheTalentedMrL
10-24-2007, 06:53 PM
This would have worked better for me if the said actor was killing himself for a reason related to the theme of the Haunted House. Say...Zombie Infection....The Rage....?.....But all in all I guess its already creating a little buzz.

Jim Warfield
10-24-2007, 06:56 PM
For quite awhile I could never figure out or even explain to myself why certain bad customers would do the destructive things that they would do.
One October I finally realised they feel they are retaliating for me being seemingly very anti-social (not-nice) to them by scaring to them, lying to them to affect a scare, all things most people tell their kids not to do.
I sure didn't consider my actions really evil because they paid me to do this to them and theirs. But some of them still felt somehow justified in breaking or taking my stuff!?
The arguement you just made for further increasing the amount of sickening gore, ex cetra could also be parralelled to looking at pornography...but then when you have seen it all, thought years of twisted thoughts..what then? Does a person them personally sink into the abyss of acting out these practiced thoughts and play-actions?
Extremes of thinking and lifestyles do seem to rotate around the positive and negative poles in relation to one another. The backlash from a segment of the population directly opposed to the extreme gore, ex cetra may manipulate themselves politically into positions of controlling power within which most of us with our different "ART" would perish.
Maybe it isn't true but I read that serial killers begin as relativly harmless neighborhood boys window peeking, but they didn't get caught (and punished) so they keep on "graduating" into more and more serious habits seeking that next evil thrill until they are kidnapping women off the street at random, abusing and murdering them.
Their next sought after thrill is getting caught, thereby becoming infamous from all that pain and misery they have caused for the victims and their familys.
Tv and movies can generate alot of quick, easy money from pushing some behavioral envelope with their products but what is left behind can cause the rest of us very dark problems forever. They care? No. It's all always about the money, end of story.
Supposidly all serial killers ever examined have multiple brain injurys from either genetic, chemical of physical reasons, removing their sense of humanity, making it easier to mindlessly eliminate their fellow man , or woman. Maybe this type of person needs very little push to become a full-blown active monster?
Then there is the example of the ancient Roman colosseum.....how much real blood was ever enough? I don't think they ever figured that out.

horrorfiend99
10-24-2007, 06:56 PM
Seriously? I mean, seriously? Anyone who thinks it is morally questionable to include disturbing gags and/or imagery in a haunted attraction needs to rethink their choice of industry.
Although I agree that a haunted house does not NEED to rely on shocking and graphic imagery to be effective, such implements are a staple of the haunt scene. Almost every haunted house or maze I have had the pleasure to experience has had some degree of gore or shocking violence within, and most of the time it has been quite effective.
To completely abandon gore, violence, graphic portrayals of shocking events is to abandon a major component of the horror genre in general - the very genre we attempt to bring to life as vividly as possible each year. I'm not saying that all good horror includes such elements but it is prevalent and cannot simply be ignored.
I find that houses lacking gore and violence seem to be less popular with the target audience. Most of the people that come out to mazes and haunts are looking for something a little less "family" and a little more "adult", and when the scares are more Are You Afraid of the Dark and less Texas Chainsaw Massacre, audiences tend to feel cheated.
Of course, just as in film, when horror relies TOO much on gore and shock and not enough on actual solid scares and buildup (read: suspense) it basically becomes lazy and uniteresting. I don't care how shocking your scenes are, room after room of hacked-up bodies and evisceration will get old... real fast.
Basically your best bet is to find a good balance - some blood and violence, some more traditional scares, basically whatever fits your theme best and doesn't get redundant. Disturbing imagery is great and will really stick with a guest, but too much of this can work against you. Even when looking at the average horror fan, most want a fun, scary, shocking experience, but tend to shy away from the truly distuirbing. For example - people love the Evil Dead films (which are very gory but also very funny) and will watch them over and over again with fear and delight, but a film like Last House On The Left (a truly disturbing and relentless piece of work) does not have the same replay value. Although it leaves a lasting impression and those who watch it seldom forget it, they usually aren't lining up for repeat viewings.
That said, pushing limits has always been the point of our industry and pretty much nothing should be "out of bounds" or morally taboo inside a haunted attraction. Of course, we should all be responsible and post the appropriate signes and warnings - detailing the level of graphic and disturbing imagery in your attraction, but if we stay away from including things such as suicide, murder, torture, etc. we can all just shut down right now because almost everything that could appear in a haunted attraction could be considered offensive by someone.
On the flip-side, if you have had such tragedy in your life and you know that seeing reenactments may affect you emotionally or mentally, perhaps you should stay away from haunts and mazes that are known to include such imagery.

haunter112
10-24-2007, 08:41 PM
nothing should be "out of bounds" or morally taboo inside a haunted attraction.

Nothing?

There is a line where disturbing images become obscene and pornographic.

Cross that line too often and community leaders will shut you down.

Ghost River Duck
10-24-2007, 09:58 PM
Seriously? I mean, seriously? Anyone who thinks it is morally questionable to include disturbing gags and/or imagery in a haunted attraction needs to rethink their choice of industry.


but if we stay away from including things such as suicide, murder, torture, etc. we can all just shut down right now because almost everything that could appear in a haunted attraction could be considered offensive by someone.
On the flip-side, if you have had such tragedy in your life and you know that seeing reenactments may affect you emotionally or mentally, perhaps you should stay away from haunts and mazes that are known to include such imagery.

How about drug abuse? would you show someone shooting up heroine or smoking meth? It would definetly be shocking ;)

I've never been to their show and probably never will. I don't think they are anywhere near the foothills of NC. If they want to add that scene to their show I said more power to them. It's just not one that I would. Yes it's a little disturbing but I don't think it's particularly scary or, more important to me, CREATIVE. It is shocking though.

But then again I don't care for this new string of movies such as Hostel or the Saw box set. The yare not particularly scary, jsut gory portrayals of torture... and torture just ain't my bag of bones. You watch Hitchcock's The Birds and tell me any of the Saw movies is in the same league. While the 4 are much more shocking, The Birds is just plain genius.

We had a similar discussion last year http://hauntworld.com/haunted_house_forums/showthread.php?t=524 .

It's well worth going back and reading.

Greg Chrise
10-24-2007, 10:23 PM
Satitstically perhaps only one in 8,000 customers have ever experienced such an event in real life. Chances are they do not have any independent ambition to seek out gore entertainment and if this sets them of it is because they were dragged there by others.

The over all scene could be chilled out a bit and made even cooler if it was some character shooting a zombie. Perhaps even a little minute seminar, if you encounter a zombie this is the only way to stop them. This displacement of killing what needs to be stopped anyhow is what makes horror movies a bad ass effects or just plain hillarious.

Events like this shooting are in movies of all types. It got so bland that I saw over the following years a character would go through all the crying and thinking about it and put the gun to the head and then be disappointed that there was a knock on the door or a phone call and then they would answer like it was just another day, life would go on as usual.

The actual act of violently taking ones life like this is supposed to be dramatic from the perspective of the doer. Yet this illustrates that it is not all that shocking in these time. It may be doing a public service of see it doesn't actually look so wicked. If you want to kill yourself and be remembered you will have to be more creative and really do some highly creative writing in you suicide letter or you are just another dumb azz scatched off the list.

Having things acted out generally is a release that quells things happening or being acted upon for real. The customer that would be hyper sensitive wasn't going to come back anyhow, they weren't going to come the first time. Yet going over the top brings the buzz of what is happening in there, but beacons the larger problem of having to explain this as some kind of public service over and over and possibly not being agreed with.

If you haven't developed a reputation over years for gore and have a high customer turn out because of your style, it is best to stay away from slick stuff like this. Unless you indeed are at the point of going out with a bang.

screamshow
10-24-2007, 11:04 PM
Why not go ALL the way? REALLY shock people by creating graphic torture rape scenes involving young children. It's on the news every day so it can't be all that bad, right? Or go for straight vomit wrenching awefullness: perhaps Hillbilly Ma Kettle squatting and crapping out an animatronic fetus onto her nasty kitchen floor, then grabbing up the squirming slimekinder and biting off an arm -- then attacking the group with it. For added "offensiveness points" she could finish the squalling squirmer off by snatching up a sharpened crucific from a handy urine jar and stabbing the little fellow to death with it.

That would be fun for the enitre family!

Or maybe not.

Now that I think about it, the only people who would enjoy either of the two scenes I "suggested" would be the haunters slapping themselves on the back over how many people they grossed out.

The fact is that nothing in that video shocked anyone here. No one was sickened, offended, or even disturbed (including me, and as I said earlier, my dad committed suicide by blowing his head off with a shotgun). We all make decisions about what gore and intensity level we want our shows to be at. Some haunts have done well working around the edges of societal acceptance. But not too many, the line is a very fine one.

The cold hard reality of the business is this: we are paid to ENTERTAIN. Not sicken, not horrify, not traumatize, not humiliate... entertain. Our customers are paying us for an addrenaline rush and a fun evening out, not pee stained undies or vomit on their loafers. The challenge is not designing the most horrific things you can, it is designing a show event to hit exactly the right level of intensity -- the perfect scare gets everyone, just enough but not too much, offends no one, and they leave laughing and talking about what a great time they had.

In the same way the perfect haunted attraction (like, say, Netherworld or the Darkness, to name a couple) offers something for everyone -- including the jaded haunter you just can't scare. It is immersive, clever, and no matter where you look there is something magic going on. The animatronics and sets look real within the framework of the alternate haunt reality they are trying to create, yet they are just slightly off -- enough so that no one is forced to take any of it too seriously and risk spoiling their fun.

The guys who create these shows are like modern day Walt Disneys. You could easily add Jim Warfield to this list as well. They understand that this is show business.

Just my two cents.

dr0zombie
10-24-2007, 11:58 PM
Really its not as questionable as it is complete crap. The guy acting is bad and the action he takes makes no real sense because of it. It could have been a really disturbing scene, but it was just kind of stupid. I have done this effect for projects before. A good air cannon squib type copy with a good actor will make your stomach roll when you film it. That's how you know the scene worked. Watching this would just make me never go to this event. All it says to me is that they are trying to be vile and stupid but not scary..... never been there, but I would expect low quality and personal injury from the event after watching that.

Bottom line, was it crossing a line? Not to me... but only because it wasn't done well enough for me to get offended. It wasn't scary, and it wasn't disturbing, it was just dumb..... but that's just my stupid opinion.....

screamshow
10-25-2007, 12:08 AM
Really its not as questionable as it is complete crap. The guy acting is bad and the action he takes makes no real sense because of it.

I thought his acting was pretty good actually.

Warren Vanderdark
10-25-2007, 06:26 AM
I think that if you had a hundred different scenes in your haunt, that just by the Law of Averages, that there'd be at least ONE person who'd be offended/upset by one of those scenes. I'm reminded of last week, when after doing my opening introduction, one scared young woman looked at me with a slightly sad face and asked, "There aren't any scenes of suicide in there are there?". (For the record, unless you count one stuffed clown hanging from a noose, no) Was it a personal tragedy that fueled her fear? Who's to say? Granted, she didn't seem to be particularly bothered by the fact that she was about to enter a haunted morgue filled with reanimated corpses that were revived through bizarre medical experiments conducted by yours truly's character.

On the same token, we've had people that have seem worried about encountering clowns (we've got one this year), chainsaws (check) and even pigs (yep, we've got one!). I think depending on the individual's fears or phobias, you could have a scene filled with Smurfs and fuzzy bunnys and still send them off screaming into the night.

screamshow
10-25-2007, 07:33 AM
I think that if you had a hundred different scenes in your haunt, that just by the Law of Averages, that there'd be at least ONE person who'd be offended/upset by one of those scenes. I'm reminded of last week, when after doing my opening introduction, one scared young woman looked at me with a slightly sad face and asked, "There aren't any scenes of suicide in there are there?". (For the record, unless you count one stuffed clown hanging from a noose, no) Was it a personal tragedy that fueled her fear? Who's to say? Granted, she didn't seem to be particularly bothered by the fact that she was about to enter a haunted morgue filled with reanimated corpses that were revived through bizarre medical experiments conducted by yours truly's character.

On the same token, we've had people that have seem worried about encountering clowns (we've got one this year), chainsaws (check) and even pigs (yep, we've got one!). I think depending on the individual's fears or phobias, you could have a scene filled with Smurfs and fuzzy bunnys and still send them off screaming into the night.


Teletubbies give me the heeby jeebies.

I don't think the question is suicide per se, even Disney's Haunted Mansion has a suicide in the first real room, at question here is the graphic demonstration of it.

MMManiac
10-25-2007, 07:59 AM
True a haunted house is by difinition hauntd by ghosts but people these days seem to get off more on the blood and gore. Just look at all the horror movies coming out. Blood and sex sells.

Having a house where books move and lights turn on and off isnt scary anymore. Having a room where someone shoots themselves is.

As long as you post warnings about the graphic nature of the house I odnt their is a problem with during certain rooms.

Sean

Jim Warfield
10-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Maybe a house where the October helper is late to do the scare, yet it happens anyway(from an empty area) scares people, especially the October helper!
I ocassionally have some very special helpers here who sometimes seem to be reading my mind and perform accordingly.....
"That book just moved!" ("Hmm? I wonder how that happened?")
Talking about something, then it happens........."Boy Jim, you really have this place totally tricked-out!"
If only they could hazard a guess as to just how tricky this house really is.

When the 14 year-olds get to be 25 and are bored with gore and chainsaws, they can come here, they don't have to run or be chased (and then fall down and get bunged-up) yet we still have a fun time just anticipating which object in the room will be doing the moving and it might just be their bowels!

Haunted Castle
10-25-2007, 12:56 PM
SCREAMSHOW

(Compressed air shoots the blood and glop. It's no different than your typical exploding toilet gag. Just load it with red stuff instead of water.)

Still don't understand ? where can I buy the outfit they were using in doing this stunt, I'm not familar with the toilet gag thanks

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 03:26 PM
Well I checked out the website for the Haunted Hoochie and all I can say is... I wanna go sooooo bad! This house looks absolutely amazing! This year they are even featuring a "simulated live demon birth"! How amazing is that?

I love "haunted houses" of all types (and please people, let's not get into semantics - the term "haunted house" within the industry clearly refers to a walk-through haunted attraction of almost any kind - not merely a traditional haunted house with floating books and old school spooks) but I must say I am a huge fan of gore and shocks. If said shocks are unimaginative and badly executed then they are of course worthless, but the Haunted Hoochie appears to be quite original and inventive in their noble quest to push the envelope.

If anything I think most guests have been desensitized to the graphic images inside our haunts (how many youngsters stroll through the mazes at Knott's Scary farm every year without batting an eye at scenes of extreme gore and horror) and Haunted Hoochie's attempt to actually gross people out and really see how far they can push the boundaries of bad taste to me is quite refreshing.

Also, the attitude (conveyed by the website at least) of this particular haunt, although graphic as all hell, seems quite tongue-in-cheek. The theme is not particularly dark and psychological - instead aiming for over-the-top splatter and gross-out gags, kind of like a Troma film. If indeed they achieve a balance between disturbing stuff and a fun atmosphere, I think they have something special indeed and are definitely paving the way for teh industry.

By the way, the idea about the abortion/miscarriage cannibal thing sounds really awesome. At the risk of offending some I would definitely consider putting such a scene in a haunt. Great creativity!

DeadAcres
10-25-2007, 03:40 PM
We just put up a link to this discussion on our message board...our fans will get a kick out of it..if you have any time you should read all our myspace comments or check out our website...see for yourselves how popular this attraction really is..soon there will be little hoochies poppin up all over the U.S.
There will always be a place for kiddy haunts..but we are not one of them..my favorite part of this discussion is using the darkness and netherworld as examples of great entertainment..this is very true...are ya aware that the owner of netherworld is quoted in hauntworld as saying the hooch is the best hes even seen..and i am sure you are aware of who puts out hauntworlds top 13..We have learned much from both of these men and their haunts..but we throw alittle gore into the mix also...This is entertainment..and we take it very seriously.. painted wall panels and cheesy set ups do not cut it anymore..our customers demand more..we took gore out for 2 years..people complained about it and the numbers fell..now their back..I am not sayng its for every demographic..but it sure works well in our demographic..
The fact is the Hoochie is 365 degrees of realism..from the time you get out of your car...everywhere ya look is some of the most awesome detail in this business..with over 100 animations and 100 actors..comic relief and some of the best illusions and intensity found anywhere..we have visitors from around the world..we have a great hotel package if you would like to experience it for your self...We sell vip packages which are a great value...once you see the lines you will understand......

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 04:39 PM
As I said above, I would absolutely LOVE to come to your attraction - it looks to be totally top-notch! Unfortunately it is too late in teh season for me to venture out that way since I have many obligations during the rest of the month. Perhaps next year!

Keep up the great work and keep pushing the limits! Everything I've heard and seen just makes me want to come more! It doesn't matter if what you're doing is gory or not really, in the end you are doing something original, and THAT is the future of this business.

For too long this industry has skated along on "standards" that are basically repeated again and again ad nauseum (i.e. Hell-o-vator, chainsaw gag, store-bought animatronic electric chair guy, rotating tunnel, etc.). Although these effects are not always bad, they definitely aren't original. In my opinion, originality is the most important aspect of horror, since almost every genre cliche has been done to death (pun semi-intended). With the inclusion of in-your-face chainsaw vivisections and live demon births, I believe you (Dead Acres) are bringing us (the public) things seldom seen in a live walk-through attraction.

I actually hope more haunters start taking your lead - I know I will! My pointy of view is that if you're not bringing your proverbial A game and coming through with something original you are just wasting everyone's time and money (especially your own). Not only that, but "safe" horror is just not that impressive anymore. Sorry fans of spooky atmosphere, floating books and things that go bump in the night, but I can experience that walking through my grandma's semi-spooky house or any local cemetery. Haunted attractions need to step it up in this day and age - pushing limits in terms of shock, humor, design and yes, good taste.

Horror by nature is not a "safe" genre - it revels in disturbing the mind, assaulting the senses and making the viewer/guest squirm. The folks over at Dead Acres seem to have a firm grasp on this concept (as well as their chainsaws and shotguns) and for that, I commend them!

Bravo!

Hail horror!

Ghost River Duck
10-25-2007, 04:44 PM
We just put up a link to this discussion on our message board...our fans will get a kick out of it..if you have any time you should read all our myspace comments or check out our website...see for yourselves how popular this attraction really is..soon there will be little hoochies poppin up all over the U.S.
There will always be a place for kiddy haunts..but we are not one of them..my favorite part of this discussion is using the darkness and netherworld as examples of great entertainment..this is very true...are ya aware that the owner of netherworld is quoted in hauntworld as saying the hooch is the best hes even seen..and i am sure you are aware of who puts out hauntworlds top 13..We have learned much from both of these men and their haunts..but we throw alittle gore into the mix also...This is entertainment..and we take it very seriously.. painted wall panels and cheesy set ups do not cut it anymore..our customers demand more..we took gore out for 2 years..people complained about it and the numbers fell..now their back..I am not sayng its for every demographic..but it sure works well in our demographic..
The fact is the Hoochie is 365 degrees of realism..from the time you get out of your car...everywhere ya look is some of the most awesome detail in this business..with over 100 animations and 100 actors..comic relief and some of the best illusions and intensity found anywhere..we have visitors from around the world..we have a great hotel package if you would like to experience it for your self...We sell vip packages which are a great value...once you see the lines you will understand......

Brother, I don't know that anyone on here has criticized your use of gore. Frankly I like a little gore. The question was, and I'm paraphrasing, Is it inappropriate to show a suicide in a haunt? So far i think the answer has been a strong, sesoundingmaybe :grin: . My point has been that it's not particularly clever and is sure to alienate some of your costumer base. Then why do it? If you are trying to shock them from the time they get out of the car til they get back in then you are probably accomplishing that. My goal is to entertain then. WE scare most of them but we entertain all of them. And 97%+ have a GREAT time. I look at that bit and it jsut doesn't look like fun to me.

Like I said, Drug Abuse, Suicide, Religious References, Dead Babies, Satanic Rituals, and Rape just aren't my bag of bones. They are all gimmicks and the problem with a gimmick is you have to come up with a better one next time or they are going to be disappointed. It sounds like you've got a great show though and should be proud of it. But as far as put that scene the way it was filmed in my show, I'll pass brother.

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 05:02 PM
Sorry, buddy. I think you are totally wrong.

"Torture, Drug Abuse, Suicide, Religious References, Dead Babies, Satanic Rituals, and Rape" are not gimmicks - they are horrific acts and/or images. Gimmicks (for haunts at least) are the things I have listed in my last post such as rotating tunnels, polka-dot rooms and cheesy animatronics.

If you take some time to look at the Dead Acres website (and it's multitude of crazy pictures) you will find that nothing pictured there is gimmicky. I definitely have not seen any of the effects they show or talk about in any haunt I have been to.

Are you saying that it's gimmicky to include these graphic and shocking scenes because you feel that it's a cheap scare? How is a animated pop gag or an air cannon or some kind of story line about how the house got haunted any less cheap? The former is definitely more original.

As I said before, horror is about shock. Perhaps these things you mentioned are "not your bag" but to say that they are gimmicky is an insult to Dead Acres and your intelligence.

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 05:04 PM
Let us also remember that the haunt in question is not some preachy Hell House thing put together by nutsy christian propagandists, it is a tongue-in-cheek over-the-top splatter house experience.

When discussing use of graphic imagery in a haunt, the overall tone of the haunt is definitely important.

Ghost River Duck
10-25-2007, 05:52 PM
Sorry, buddy. I think you are totally wrong.



Are you saying that it's gimmicky to include these graphic and shocking scenes because you feel that it's a cheap scare?

As I said before, horror is about shock. Perhaps these things you mentioned are "not your bag" but to say that they are gimmicky is an insult to Dead Acres and your intelligence.

I'm saying it's not exactly original. William Shakespeare did suicide back in the Renaissance period. The first time I ever saw it was about 1992 at the Upper Cleveland County Rescue Squad Haunted House. I wasn't impressed with it then either. It's not scary. It's just... well... sad.

And just to clear this up, Porn is about shock. Horror is about scares. And haunted houses are bout scaring and being scared just for the fun of it. I could very well be wrong but to me there is nothing fun about a guy putting a shotgun in his mouth and pulling the trigger.

And NO i didn't insult his show. I've never seen his show. But it looks great in the pictures.

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 06:55 PM
Porn is about sex.

Horror is about many things, a lot of them are not always fun. Shock, or some sort of visceral reaction is the heart and soul of horror as a genre. Webster defines horror as such:

1 a: painful and intense fear, dread, or dismay <astonishment giving place to horror on the faces of the people about me H. G. Wells> b: intense aversion or repugnance
2 a: the quality of inspiring horror : repulsive, horrible, or dismal quality or character <contemplating the horror of their lives Liam O'Flaherty> b: something that inspires horror
3plural : a state of extreme depression or apprehension

None of that sounds like it has much to do with fun to me.

That said, fans of the genre (and in turn, haunted attractions) find joy in things that would normally be considered completely horrific. There is absolutely nothing "fun" about most of the material included in most haunted houses. Murder, ravenous monsters, possession, etc. would not be considered fun if they were real - even by the most hardened horror buff - but in the context of a maze or movie, these unsettling things become fun due to the controlled nature of the venue.

The suicide scene in question could certainly be considered fun in an "oh my god! did you just see that!?" sort of way. I mentioned Troma films in an earlier post on this thread, and if you have never seen one, they are chock full of extreme gore, rapes, drug use, abortions, brutal murder of babies and the elderly, copious nudity and sex, giant ravenous penis monsters and other morally questionable material and yet these films are totally fun and totally hilarious! It's the same principal applied to slasher films and the like - audiences actually cheer when the "heroes" are slaughtered, waiting for each murder to be wilder and more over-the-top than the last! The same thing clearly applies to haunts.

As I said, taken out of context, the shotgun suicide may just seem like a cheap shock tactic and in bad taste, just as the idea of a naked woman masturbating in a steam room to a photo of a child's crushed head may seem totally disturbing if you've never seen The Toxic Avenger. But put both those scenes in context and they fit perfectly into their respective shows.

Basically I just think it's a shame that haunters tend to play it safe. Horror is about taking risks and pushing limits in one way or another. I think I'll boil this down to a Tobe Hooper metaphore. Poltergeist is a pretty good movie, but Texas Chainsaw Massacre is 100% more effective. Plain and simple.

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 06:56 PM
also, I'd like to know what kind of scenes or gags you would consider NOT gimmicky. I'm not trying to be a dick. I really am curious! >=)

Ghost River Duck
10-25-2007, 07:38 PM
That said, fans of the genre (and in turn, haunted attractions) find joy in things that would normally be considered completely horrific. There is absolutely nothing "fun" about most of the material included in most haunted houses. Murder, ravenous monsters, possession, etc. would not be considered fun if they were real - even by the most hardened horror buff - but in the context of a maze or movie, these unsettling things become fun due to the controlled nature of the venue.

The suicide scene in question could certainly be considered fun in an "oh my god! did you just see that!?" sort of way. I mentioned Troma films in an earlier post on this thread, and if you have never seen one, they are chock full of extreme gore, rapes, drug use, abortions, brutal murder of babies and the elderly, copious nudity and sex, giant ravenous penis monsters and other morally questionable material and yet these films are totally fun and totally hilarious! It's the same principal applied to slasher films and the like - audiences actually cheer when the "heroes" are slaughtered, waiting for each murder to be wilder and more over-the-top than the last! The same thing clearly applies to haunts.

As I said, taken out of context, the shotgun suicide may just seem like a cheap shock tactic and in bad taste, just as the idea of a naked woman masturbating in a steam room to a photo of a child's crushed head may seem totally disturbing if you've never seen The Toxic Avenger. But put both those scenes in context and they fit perfectly into their respective shows.

Basically I just think it's a shame that haunters tend to play it safe. Horror is about taking risks and pushing limits in one way or another. I think I'll boil this down to a Tobe Hooper metaphore. Poltergeist is a pretty good movie, but Texas Chainsaw Massacre is 100% more effective. Plain and simple.

The last paragraph makes a great point. It's just all in the show your trying to give the audience. But as for the rest of what you listed under trauma films, see none of that appeals to me. It just sounds like trash.

And gimmicky might not be the right word. It sort of implies "200lb man eating chicken" and that doesn't exactly fit either. But sure, we've done variations on the dot room but it's not new anymore. And we've got some air blasts that will peel wallpaper but those aren't exactly earth shattering either. They are reliable though. But I cut my teeth with my dear friend Thurston Hamerick who is a career entertainer. He taught me how to put on the show. HE was one of the best rodeo clowns going down the road for many years and now puts on rodeos and a big haunted Hayride at his arena each year. And now I work with Ray Bivins http://us.vdc.imdb.com/name/nm0084633/filmoyear and Tony Cook on Tony's Haunted Pyramids. We're out in the middle of nowhere but still pull the crowds. And frankly we're using the movie special effects in the place. We make beds jump up and down, we fly actors around in the air, and the pyrotechnics are just bad ass. You combine that with good acting and you've got a show that I'll put against any body's. WE hosted Kersey Valley Spooky Woods a few years aga and I seem to remember them being quite impressed.

Probably my favorite scene this year is the character of Pinhead from Hellraiser, which Ray did the effects for. When the group turns the corner there he is floating above an in front of them. He waves them in holding the puzzle box and speaks to them (we've got a headset mic on him in the mask and run it through the amps and out the sub so it shakes the floor). He floats down to them and about a 12 foot fireball burst up beside them. It's really quite safe but the feeling is that the door of hell just opened. It's THAT bright and hot on you. Then he floats back up and they pass underneath. I'll be working tomorrow night. If I can get the digital camera to work right I'll try to get you a pic or two. It's cool as hell though.

horrorfiend99
10-25-2007, 09:14 PM
Sounds very cool. I am a huge Hellraiser fan and along with the Pinhead bit, a lot of the effects you mentioned do sound quite impressive and original. It may be worth mentioning, though, that Hellraiser (the film) is chock full of graphic gore and very disturbing images and themes including rape, infidelity, sadomasochism and brutal torture. =)

Clive Barker's genius aside, I definitely don't need my horror brimming with blood and guts - if you can pull off a solid haunt with cutting edge effects and original scares, kudos to you! And I can see how you may view using splatter and shock as the "easy way out", but please understand that the blood-soaked, un-PC brand of horror is a very popular and time-tested facet of the genre, and what may seem like trash or cheap thrills to you, if done right, could easily be viewed as high art by the correct audience.

Personally I find it infinitely more impressive when someone makes wildly offensive material palatable than when someone plays it safe and chooses not to offend anyone at all.

Also, I'm not saying don't include dot rooms or air cannons in your haunt, you can't completely abandon the classics! I just commend the folks who try to take it to the next level.

Ghost River Duck
10-25-2007, 09:46 PM
I forgot to mention that the chains come flying up out of the floor around the patrons, jsut like the movie.

After re-reading my own post, I might ought to back up just one bit. I did not mean to make it sound as though I was taking credit for the special effects and I think did. These haunts are there work. I jsut help them out. I used to work with those guys a lot, designing and acting along with managing the help. Now I just help out when I can. I've a 1 year old and a 2 year old and my wife has a business that forces her to work a pile of 2nd shift hours. There for most nights I'ma stay-at-home dad when I get off of my day job. But early spring, if I can get it all worked out, my partners and I will be starting on a brand new haunt location for the 2008 season. I can't wait. I've got a notebook full of sketches and ideas. We'll definetly be throwing the special effects at them.

Infoamtek
10-25-2007, 10:23 PM
I thought of an alternate scenario using the same effect. Guy with a shotgun is giving the opening speil when a rotting zombie lurchres on the scene. Guy puts the shotgun to Zombie's forehead. BOOM! Gore all over. Zombie falls back and disappears off stage. Guy says, "And only a shot to the head will take care of them. Oh, I'm the only one with the shotgun. Well, good luck." And he walks off.

dr0zombie
10-25-2007, 10:32 PM
I thought of an alternate scenario using the same effect. Guy with a shotgun is giving the opening speil when a rotting zombie lurchres on the scene. Guy puts the shotgun to Zombie's forehead. BOOM! Gore all over. Zombie falls back and disappears off stage. Guy says, "And only a shot to the head will take care of them. Oh, I'm the only one with the shotgun. Well, good luck." And he walks off.


Actually that is almost my dream haunt scene.... I'd love to have a few zombies slaughtered right in the middle of the guests coating them in something its WAY to poorly lit to identify. How great would that be!!! I'd love it as a guest and love to put it in a show..... :)

I think I have said... its not the gore here... I just didn't dig the acting or the shot. We all should have gone... DAMN THATS NASTY...... not, what are the ethics of this scene......LOL......

TheNightMare
10-25-2007, 10:54 PM
I thought of an alternate scenario using the same effect. Guy with a shotgun is giving the opening speil when a rotting zombie lurchres on the scene. Guy puts the shotgun to Zombie's forehead. BOOM! Gore all over. Zombie falls back and disappears off stage. Guy says, "And only a shot to the head will take care of them. Oh, I'm the only one with the shotgun. Well, good luck." And he walks off.

Now this senario sounds better than the video I watched. To me the suicide thing is NOT scary. Unentertaing unless he was dressed as Kurt Cobain and even that wouldn't make it enjoyable.

Greg Chrise
10-25-2007, 11:25 PM
I can't remember which horror movie I went to see, so many are the same but, this one was intended to be horrific I guess. So it goes on like a dance you have learned like being able to resight what it on a Big Mac. They do this kick that, run, scream hide, get surprised and after 15 immersive steps something was thrown in there completely different and sick. It was bad azz action.

So my reaction was to laugh out loud at how cool this was. Meanwhile, apparently the rest of the audience had just been terrified, was completely silent and me being the guy laughing at this must be the serial killer the papers had alleged might be in this town.

In every audience there are those that just began and are on the Space Aliens from Planet 9 level to those that can look at the most recent Texas Chainsaw gore as an art form. This range of experience I would imagine also has a place. A rural setting has different tastes than the city folk would consider, the urban areas a completely different vibe of what sets them off toward either humor or terror.

Up north a second rate theater that otherwise doesn't get much business is all horror and godzilla movies. On the South, everything is direct to DVD as it is not a selected theater.

In live theater, you have the ability to do it 400 different ways a night and 15 different days with every performance tailored to the possible sensibilities of the audience. Then this audience also matures with the production over the years and that dance in one location might have 15 steps and in another they will jump at one step. Yet because it is a dance of sorts with so many of the same expected steps, I can't remember what movie made me the only one that burst out laughing.

I also tend to not go see what the big crowd says is great or wild and I must see it. It might have been 3 years after silence of the lambs came out before I saw Hannible Lector escape that had people so wormed out. I know I laughed at that. A combination of fast paced where is he now action with the guards butchered up and one displayed like a butterfly.

The customers are equally looking at haunts as a gage for what intimidates people, looks stupid or gets a reaction to what degree. They pay to enter and be informed by this as much as does this place make any money? Do the actors make any money? Whay do they do this? Could I see myself doing this? Where am I in the building? Or am I starting to get pissed off that this stupid dolts thing running the customers into no less than 5 dead ends behind sheets and 3 wrong was doors is scare as opposed to totally annoying.

What if all of a sudden the customers are more capable of going Vampire than the actors ever thought possible in the middle of a sucky show? Oh, I'm sure they would call security and then the police but, this is why lame shows have so many problems with customers. I thought about this after my last weekend tour of another haunt. I'm a nice guy, I only thought of it. Why because they did not engage me enough to entertain me what so ever so i entertained myself.

The haunt I toured after not being able to visit other haunts at all for a few years made me appreciate things in our own that I did not appreciate why it is so effective. We had an advantage of three completely seperate acting styles and environment settings all coming to gether in one place. Each doing what they knew to be best with very little gore at all.

With tremendous effort by many a 2,000 SF haunt can be 4 times better and more effective than an 8,000 SF haunt. It can take exactly the same amount of time getting through with out stopping people for a 5 minute show 17 times.

Once you've seen one bloody bathroom scene you have seen them all. Once you have seem one limbless torso with the spine hanging out the bottom you have seen them all. If it is a customers second haunt to any haunt and these components are in there, they have seen it before. If you have seen it in a movie how is it so much better with a 5 foot tall girl doing it in real life?

Everyone needs to do things origional or set to the type of customers thay have cultivated. The only reason anyone gives movies that do the same dance over and over a chance is looking for that little extra twist of greatness. Everything in daily life is pretty much the same thing with all the same possible obstacles and inconveniences every day and every day. A haunted attraction shouldn't just immitate movie crap and expect to be anything but stupid.

Apparently some of the haunt planners think no one else has seen a movie or even if they haven't seen the movie have seen enough previews to know what they are TRYING to do? Is it a haunted house or is it a game of Jepardy? What scene is this from Alex?

Yet, even a half hearted attempt will remain popular because it is some kind of community tradition. There isn't anything better to do beside wander through walmart again. The kids haven't seen this yet?

Something completely disorienting of environment and content might only see a fifth of the old family tradition. Maybe these days the customers have been transformed into zomies who just watch things happen, thanks to decades of sitting in front of the tube? If they are some how engaged at all it is a negative reaction. Of course they will all say it is the best ever and great because telling you otherwise would require some kind of thought and interaction.

horrorfiend99
10-26-2007, 12:37 AM
You bring up a good point that rings true in all of the entertainment industry. Namely that audiences have become creatures of habit or, as you said, "zombies".

Most film studios, record labels, theme parks and even haunts fall victim to the trap of spoon-feeding the public imitation after imitation of whatever it is that sells at the moment, leading to boring, formulaic pieces of art and an audience that grows complacent because they are never really challenged. Even the art that is perceived as "indie" or "underground" that reaches mass audiences is usually watered down to a degree for easier mass consumption. This creates a vicious circle where all anyone is really worried about is the bottom line.

This is why those who do something different, radical or edgy, at the risk of losing some customers, should be commended and looked to as an example. Dead Acres (and haunts like it) may scare off a portion of their potential audience with what some would consider morally questionable content, but their attempts to do things that other haunts see as "unsafe" has obviously garnered a lot of attention and praise from those who can see the value in it (and there are obviously many).

At the end of the day, getting back to what this post is really about - for the most part, we are not in the business of what most would consider family entertainment (with the exception of perhaps the Adams or Manson families... hehe). Some haunts fill that niche and that's great - but most haunts feature adult themes, and therefore - should this whole thing be such a big deal?

actiondeath
10-26-2007, 01:31 AM
Hahahahahaha!!! Give me till the beginning of next week. Boy, will I have some footage for you all.

Bottom line... The Hoochie IS scary. It always has been, it always will be. It contains all of the necessary ingredients of true FEAR. FEAR is what the customers, new and repeat, pay for. It's why they all stand in line for FOR HOURS UPON HOURS, sometimes 2 and 3 times per season (I've been through several times this year).

Entertainment is nice. When I want to be entertained, I go see a movie or watch a band play. I sit in a theatre for a couple of hours and think to myself about how entertained I am. I have time to think. It's pleasant and nice. In a walkthrough haunted attraction, I don't want to have time to think. I want my eyes to be wide open and my next breath to be deep down in my lungs BEGGING to get out. I want to smell, see, hear, and feel horror (tasting, not so much). The Hooch' provides this for me.

Yeah, it's not about what I want, but I will venture to say that ALL of us haunters were once patrons. C'mon 5,000+ per night?!! You can't tell me that there isn't at least a notable percentage of repeats. It's a friggin rollercoaster! People don't make it out the door without mentioning "so and so NEEDS to see this" or "I want to go through again". For a multitude of reasons, it kills... Every time.

Why would anyone condemn any scene as it is portrayed on tape on a night the show is closed. It's a well known fact that actors only really come to life when there are people to scare. The filming you all are watching is nothing like what you would see inside the show. You all should know this.

I sense the end of an era. Like the end of any pop-culture era (or cult era for that matter), the majority will be reluctant, or will downright REFUSE the change. It's like hair bands meet grunge (nice Cobain comment by the way... He was a genius and you know it). Or even Roth fans meet Hagar fans. If history and trend are a factor here, you will have your precious crank ghosts and flicker bulbs back someday. What about dark rides??? I'm dying to see them around again in abundance! The Hoochie is now. Let them have their fun.

Jast223
10-29-2007, 02:10 PM
No hold on I never questioned the haunt nor was I Bashing the haunt. All I was asking was was the material questionable. Sure most of us have seen the hanging corpse in the haunted mansion at Disney Land but what I was asking was seeing it being done in front of you, Is that questionable. I got my answer its a confirmed maybe.

GhoulKraft
10-29-2007, 02:22 PM
The "hootchie" does NOT & CANNOT do 5-6 thousand a night. Plain math will tell you that plus, they have a theatrical show which does not allow you to milk the line like they do. Pushing the envelope and shocking people does not pay the bills. The "industry" needs to expand to cater to an ever widening demographic. It cannot specialize in one theme with gore and violence. This alienates too many other potential patrons.
A truely entertaining and cutting edge haunt like Terror Town in Toledo understands this process and builds their attraction to suit ALL customers. Halloween is scary yes, but it is also thrilling and funny. It can be bloody and shocking and gross. But the one thing that always applies is that it is FUN. Suicide is not fun. suicide doesn't sell 5-6 thousand tickets a night. (nothing does, btw)
Fun sells tickets. period.
The hootchie is a great haunt, I have been there, I had a good time. But lets keep it real and not slobber and stutter over ourselves when someone dares to speak ill of it and question the appropriatness of a scene.
Thanks

screamshow
10-29-2007, 07:52 PM
Slobber and Stutter ?? LMFAO..... I dont think anyone was slobbering and stuttering..... there were a couple of us who were trying to support a good quality haunted house. "BUT THEN AGAIN YOU MIGHT GET CONFUSED, HOOKED ON PHONICS HASNT BEEN DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE YET"
( OH YES THERE WILL BLOOD ) - Inside Joke - "I dont react well to insults sorry"

Yet one more comment by a someone who has no idea what the hell he is talking about. I HAVE BEEN TO THE FRICKIN HAUNT ( MYSELF ) so have MANY MANY others.... I have seen the numbers on paper ( not by word of mouth ) I have grown up with the HOOCHIE ( you John - are but a visitor once ) one time - over a year ago, which is IMPOSSIBLE to compare with the show this year.... instead of ( insulting a Haunt or Haunt Owner ) WHICH IS WRONG IN EVERY SENSE by what you say - you might want to inform yourself first. Have you visited the haunt on any other night other than for a frickin convention ? Do the math ?? what is the formula ?? It IS VERY POSSIBLE they have had to stay open untill almost light of day to get them through but it has been done..... and yes " Pushing the envelope and shocking people does not pay the bills " just look at the line..... noone wants to see whats inside..... noone comes for the concerts, the freakshow / susspension acts..... and yes every patron speaks ill and will never come back....


( nice dream )

* S N A P *

Welcome back to reality ( how was yer trip ? )

I REFUSE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT OTHER HAUNTS OR HAUNT OWNERS - I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT ( I HAVE ALLOT OF RESPECT FOR ALL OF THEM ) I THINK ITS PRETTY SMALL MINDED.... AND ONLY SHOWS INGNORANCE .... SO CONGRATS

people, it is going to take more than what has been done by all the brilliant people in the past... fads die off and customers hunger for more. More effects,
it is going to take more than what has been done in the past if you want to survive in the future.... noone wants to see the same thing any longer.... its going to take more than a 4x8 sheet of wood with OH YES IT WILL BLOOD on it to make them happy.
( inside joke )

actiondeath made a very good point I will quote

"I sense the end of an era. Like the end of any pop-culture era (or cult era for that matter), the majority will be reluctant, or will downright REFUSE the change. It's like hair bands meet grunge Or even Roth fans meet Hagar fans. If history and trend are a factor here, The Hoochie is now. Let them have their fun."


Relax man.

bhays
10-29-2007, 08:29 PM
Myself and my asst director are driving 3.5 hours tomorrow night to check out the Hoochie...I am very curious. I just hope they have enough actors and haven't started tearing down on the Tuesday before Halloween :<

bhays
10-29-2007, 08:39 PM
Well, we've been open almost every other night they were, so this is the only shot. Ought to still be able to get a feel for their show.

actiondeath
10-29-2007, 09:55 PM
The "hootchie" does NOT & CANNOT do 5-6 thousand a night. Plain math will tell you that plus, they have a theatrical show which does not allow you to milk the line like they do.

The above comment makes absolutely no sense. Math tells you nothing about how many customers are going to show up on any given night. They have a theatrical show? Which doesn't allow them to milk the line? LIKE THEY DO? That must be 'industry' speak. You lost me.

I was there the night they did 5,000+. I waited in line for well over 4 hours. You callin' me a liar??


Pushing the envelope and shocking people does not pay the bills.

HAhahahaAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, tell that to Alice Cooper. He's in the poorhouse along with Ozzy and Marilyn Manson. Everyone told them what the people wanted and didn't want. People told them how many ticket sales they were missing out on because of their gore and their violence. Man, they should've listened.

Look, I'm not saying it's the only way, I'm not even saying that it's the best way, but it works and I personally love it. It is simply THE MOST intense show I've ever seen. You don't have to make yourself sound ridiculous to prove anything to me.

That's awesome yer comin' out, BHays. You won't be disappointed. Maybe I'll throw on some gear and throw down with Malicious, Hoochie style. ('Hell Yeah' Haha, I know who you are now. I must've heard that about 60 times last Thursday and Friday!)

6stringjohn
10-30-2007, 01:15 PM
I Loved the shotgun part.Got me fired up .Even made me laugh!!!Haunted Houses are supposed to be scarry! Not everything should be for kids. Or for all. I want to be scared!! One of my best friends shot himself in his car in 83 while jamin to Ozzy. It was sad... I still Love Metal Music! Screamin gives me a relief.I dont like liver so I dont eat it. If you dont like it just dont go in.
Rock On Dead Acres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 01:28 PM
Hey action dick, no haunt does 5-6 thousand a night. NEVER! How long you wait in line has nothing to do with how many people are in line.
Groups of 20-30 makes no sense.

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 01:46 PM
You haven't grown up with the hootchie, I don't know why you tell people that.
The haunt you "worked" for (ya right), didn't close for the reason you stated. You know it had to do with the location and some other factors that are not important here. Period. It is your incredibly ignorant and naive view of the haunt industry that makes you say the ridiculous things you say. I would wager that you couldn't keep up with me when it comes to detail and making props. You have no idea what it really takes to make a haunt work. You have no clue how easily a haunt can be shut down. Unfortunately, pro haunting isn't really fun. It is a business. Its a business before, during, and after. Its a business 99% of the time. You are hardly ever around so you wouldn't know that. When you do show up you work half ass (shed?) You leave your project before its done and then bitch. Well, thats too bad for you Brian. Why don't you just work for the haunted pootchie and rake in those clearly inflated numbers?
I now sometimes I misspell words or leave them out all together but I can take a joke and the grilling I get from the guys about it. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE GUYS. You couldn't hold a candle next to me when it comes to getting things done. Its the nature of the beast that as it gets to be crunch time some things get overlooked or not done as much as I would have liked. If all I did was walk around and spray blood from a pump sprayer, then my job would be easy. But you know thats not all I get to do. So don't you dare compare yourself or your product to me or mine.
Thanks

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 01:52 PM
Too bad you don't address the points. Too bad you don't understand the work load we all carry. Too bad you don't clean up the shed embarrassment. Give it up puppet, the jokes on you.

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 01:57 PM
I haven't seen anything you have done that would come close to my work. You are a fucking joke at the shop Brian, just face it. You can't take a joke. You foam at the mouth at the mention of the hootchie. You drag your feet on projects. What the hell is you deal with the hootchie anyway? They barely compare to a 70's JC's haunt anyway.

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Eat shit, you started this crap. I did like the hootchie. I would go again. But, we can't ever talk about it around you because you practically start a fight with us or start bawling like a big baby. Does the owner of the hootchie pay you to defend it so visciously? wtf, grow up!

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 02:13 PM
Just what have you done that is so great? The clown panels? ok, what else? sprayed blood from a pump sprayer? great, ???????? nothing else comes to mind. I will tell you this though, if the hootchie ever hired you, they would fire you quickly. You have this inflated ego that needs constant stroking and if it gets bruised, you stomp off in a huff just like the bitch puppet you are.

Ghost River Duck
10-30-2007, 02:17 PM
Well... this WAS a civil discussion about a very legitament subject for all of us.

Girls... girls... now you are both pretty so stop it. ;)

But, in all seriousness Action and Malicious, I don't recall a single post on here were ANYBODY said the Hoochie sucked or wasn't scary or anything. The criticism has been on the attempt to graphically portray a suicide. You're emphatic defending of the place by putting down other successful haunts as "history" only makes your own show appear weak. I mean, if it can't survive a discussion with a mild bit of criticism...

But inspite of all this from what I've seen on their website and the opinions of other respected people in the industry, it sounds liek a good show.

screamshow
10-30-2007, 02:54 PM
This is crunch time and everyone gets wrapped a bit tight.

Relax.

6stringjohn
10-30-2007, 03:43 PM
I went in dead acres with a group of about 6 or 8. I wonder how many people a night go to halloween haunt lots I am sure. Yes lots but its geared for 2 year olds.And to take your money!
Yes I love liver 'cause you said so...."

Jim Warfield
10-30-2007, 03:57 PM
Liver is probably on your favorite pizza pretending to be sausage. With the invention of the meat grinder everything changed.
A town in Germany had a festival with a float featuring a large meat grinder sucking in elderly women spitting out young babes.
They had this same float every year.
Apprentice grinder crank-turners wanted sign up now!
Free samples!

actiondeath
10-30-2007, 05:31 PM
Hey action dick, no haunt does 5-6 thousand a night. NEVER! How long you wait in line has nothing to do with how many people are in line.
Groups of 20-30 makes no sense.

No need for name calling, man. I was there, I know what I saw, I know what I was told, and I have no reason to question the fact that there were 5,000+ people that went through the door that night (not to be confused with 5-6 thousand which I never said). What I'm trying to figure out (aside from why you called me a dick when you don't even know me) is why you're questioning it. It must have something to do with your undying love for malicious intents that you have so obviously displayed on this board.

You say no haunt can push through that many people in a night, fine. You say no haunt could EVER put through that many people in a night, whatever. I completely 100% disagree with you. This is a forum, isn't it?

actiondeath
10-30-2007, 05:36 PM
But, in all seriousness Action and Malicious, I don't recall a single post on here were ANYBODY said the Hoochie sucked or wasn't scary or anything. The criticism has been on the attempt to graphically portray a suicide. You're emphatic defending of the place by putting down other successful haunts as "history" only makes your own show appear weak. I mean, if it can't survive a discussion with a mild bit of criticism...

But inspite of all this from what I've seen on their website and the opinions of other respected people in the industry, it sounds liek a good show.

Jesus, remind me to never agree or disagree with anyone or try to make a point again on this board. All of a sudden I'm an emphatic dick and I'm putting down other successful haunts.

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 06:17 PM
just wash your hands of all of us? good riddence, you were just in the way and never mattered. There is no loss, believe me.
Done.

GhoulKraft
10-30-2007, 07:31 PM
watch it brian, don't threaten me or my friends. this is getting too personal and I have no problem calling the police if you do something stupid

horrorfiend99
10-30-2007, 09:34 PM
All I can say is... wow.

I am somewhat of a newcomer to these forums and up until now I have found them fun, entertaining and intelligent.

The three pages of posts from Malicious Intent and Ghoulkraft have definitely shown me a different side of things - and not a good one.

I have no earthly idea why these two decided to make their lovers quarrel public, exposing their pettiness, ignorance and immaturity to the entire community, but that is exactly what they did. I mean how old are these guys? 12?

Could you two please let us know what haunt or company you work for so we can stay as far away as possible? And please save this kind of crying, bitching and acting like little girls for your own time or private emails. It gives the rest of us a bad name and really just casts a bad light on the entire industry.

Please, guys - do us all a favor and take it somewhere else! I don't know how many times both of you have said "I'm done" or "I'm finished" but it has gotten well out of hand. Obviously the two of you have a lot to work out and some seriously deep-seeded issues with one and other - they have nothing to do with this industry or this forum. Shit talking is for insecure people. Grow up or go home.

'nuff said

floater
10-30-2007, 10:09 PM
I haven't looked at it, just read the other reactions.
Personally, I stay away from anything that's considered "too real". My personal opinion is that haunts are a fantasy, and people who go are looking to be entertained (i.e. scared) by that fantasy.
About ten years ago, a haunt here in Minnesota featured an "alien" themed haunt in a separate building on the grounds. The set designers did a great job, then the business managers screwed it up royally. They insisted one of the scenes be a mirror of a real UFO cult that had comitted mass sucicde out west while the haunt was actually being built. Needless to say, NONE of us wanted a thing to do with such an incredibly tasteless display. It still got done, and NOBODY liked it. At this same haunt, somebody suggested that "gangs scare people - we should do that!" Luckily, that was one idea that died a quick death.
A big rule (and consideration) should always be "know your audience". If you're not having problems with it, more power to you. I like to go with more imaginative and creative scenes myself.

MMManiac
10-31-2007, 09:51 AM
To each their own. Even though you may agree or not agree with what dead acres is doing it works for them and I am sure they are happy with it.

Sean

HauntedWebby
10-31-2007, 12:07 PM
I liked it. We have someone getting his head cut off .. not a lot of difference.

I didn't read all 10 pages of posts, but it seems there was an objection because people do die that way. Well yes they do. They also hang themselves, but lots of haunts have hangings. Seriel killers are real, but we use them all the time. Mental illness is a real problem, but we use it. Why would this be any different? It's not.

The way they did it ... not overly gory. :)

horrorfiend99
10-31-2007, 01:35 PM
That pretty much sums it up. Almost every haunt includes subject matter and situations that if taken in a serious way are very disturbing and mirror real horrors that plague real people in the real world.

What we must remember is that when you are in a haunt you are NOT in the real world. It is a sensationalized environment, and just as we accept these things in horror films - we must accept them in the context of haunted attractions.

Also, thanks to malicious intents for being the bigger man and erasing his posts. Good call, dude! And yea, come on out to the west coast sometime - we do have some pretty crazy haunts out here.

woolf
11-01-2007, 02:10 AM
After visiting haunts in the Cleveland (7 Floors of Hell), Sandusky (Haunted Hydro & Ghostly Manor), Great Bend (Niles Haunted Scream Park) and Detroit (Erebus), My wife and I stopped in Columbus to check out Dead Acres (the Haunted Hoochie) this past Monday evening.

Actually my wife chose to stay in the car after stumbling across the Haunted Hoochie website and seeing the extreme level of gore promised inside (the suicide video sealed the deal for her not going!). Luckily for me we had picked up the 18-year-old son of friends who is attending Ohio State to come with us which meant I would have someone to help guide me through the pitch black areas in the attraction (my eyes have always taken longer than normal to adjust to the dark).

I am hoping to open a haunt of my own in the coming year and wanted to see what successful haunts are doing. I was not only checking out the inside of the haunts but also how they handled lines, concessions, crowd flow, security etc. As you can see from my list I chose a variety of Haunt styles with the Haunted Hoochie being the most extreme in the list. While this probably is a little too graphic for my personal tastes, it was a very good and scary haunt overall. And the crowd, which was almost all between 17-22 years old, seemed to really like it a lot. My 18-year-old friend was completely blown away (no pun intended). We were both extremely impressed with the level of detail that went into the sets and that it felt like we were in the middle of a film....as someone else put it, a Troma film....but with better sets!

We waited in line for maybe 30 minutes...I estimate that there were around 200-300 people in line but it seemed that it never got shorter...meaning as people were let in, others would get in line.

I entered the attraction with a group of about 6 men who, other than me, looked to be in the early 20s. The suicide room is first and there really isn't any story other than saying "Hell Yeah" a few times before the event. As I knew what was coming up from having seen the video from their website, and having experienced an immediate family member killed by a gun, I chose to look away just as the actor "pulled the trigger." [I can watch it in video form, but do not want to see it live.] When I told my wife that everyone cheered afterwards and laughed she said she thought that was a sad comment on our society. I guess I agree a little; but this is theater of the macabre. We take pleasure in things we never hope to experience in real life.

The suicide was just the beginning of the live gruesome theater. We also saw a pregnant woman get punched in the belly with a big wooden mallet, causing her fetus, a demon baby, to be ejected from her crotch....we saw one death metal skinhead-y looking actor ram a giant ice auger/drill up the anal cavity of another death metal skinhead-y looking actor....and we saw an actor get his chest and belly chainsawed-off by another actor. And these were the "comic relief" scenes between the ones that scared the s#it out of all of the grown men in my group.

And while I am personally getting tired of every haunt having the chainsaw guy at the end, the Haunted Hoochie gets the award for having the most chainsaw guys in a haunt (I think there were about 20 of them) which did keep the scare going as there was simply no way to avoid them. And, while I may be tired of this gag, the haunt-going crowds seem to love them (along with the industry-hated dot rooms).

This was a really good haunt that plays to a younger, Saw, Saw II, Saw III, Saw IV -loving crowd. It stretched the taste boundaries to their breaking point (and maybe a bit beyond). But we've already seen examples in this thread of how this extreme scene can be made "acceptable" by turning the gun onto a zombie head instead of a suicide (or even explaining that "the zombies aren't going to get my brain! [bang..splat]" According to HauntWorld issue #14, Page 54, this attraction gets about 30,000 attendees each season so that's not too shabby. I hope to one-day be as successful (but maybe slightly less controversial).

horrorfiend99
11-01-2007, 02:17 PM
What a great post! This really shows that someone who may not be a huge fan of the splatter style of haunted house can still enjoy such an attraction, taking it for what it is.

The only thing I dissagree with, as I have when it was brought up in previous posts, is that linking the suicide to some kind of zombie invasion somehow makes the scene "acceptable". I think, if anything, it just makes it more cheesey. The motivation for the suicide is really not the issue. Maybe the guy has just been driven to madness due to the evil in the haunted house. Maybe he's possesed or he has some sort of mind-controlling parasite. It seems the Hoochie isn't particularly clear (or doesn't particularly care) about this part of the "story", and the overall theming of the haunt appears to be derived from a barrage of over-the-top set pieces and situations rather than a cohesive plot (of course this is coming from someone who has never actually visited the attraction). My point is, the motivation for the suicide - other than just the general evil of the haunted house itself - is up to the guest's interpretation, just like the motivation behind the mallet-induced demon birth and the chainsaw vivisection.

"People do evil things in haunted houses" may not be the most engaging story in the world, but if the haunt pulls off the individual scenes successfully, does it really matter?

woolf
11-04-2007, 06:45 AM
...The only thing I dissagree with, as I have when it was brought up in previous posts, is that linking the suicide to some kind of zombie invasion somehow makes the scene "acceptable". I think, if anything, it just makes it more cheesey. The motivation for the suicide is really not the issue. Maybe the guy has just been driven to madness due to the evil in the haunted house. Maybe he's possesed or he has some sort of mind-controlling parasite. It seems the Hoochie isn't particularly clear (or doesn't particularly care) about this part of the "story", and the overall theming of the haunt appears to be derived from a barrage of over-the-top set pieces and situations rather than a cohesive plot (of course this is coming from someone who has never actually visited the attraction). My point is, the motivation for the suicide - other than just the general evil of the haunted house itself - is up to the guest's interpretation, just like the motivation behind the mallet-induced demon birth and the chainsaw vivisection.

"People do evil things in haunted houses" may not be the most engaging story in the world, but if the haunt pulls off the individual scenes successfully, does it really matter?

You are right. My point was to show how something considered unacceptable by a present society can be made acceptable with a few modifications even though it is really the same thing. This has been done throughout the history of entertainment. Cecil B. DeMille was able to get away with many sex scenes and even orgy scenes in his films by wrapping them up in a "Bible" theme. Without this theme his work would have been considered immoral at the time.

And even extreme haunts like the Haunted Hoochie know that they need to put some limits on what they do. This year the advertised a "simulated demon birth." Why do they need to say simulated? They don't advertise a simulated suicide. And certainly nobody would think they were actually showing us a live demon birth. But when it comes to anything that might look or feel like an abortion, they knew they had to tread lightly and add words like "simulated" to the text. Especially in a place like Ohio where the issue is at a boiling point. If bad things happens to something in a womb (even a demon) then people find it objectionable...even though the rest of your haunt will have people being chopped up, burnt alive, boiled and skinned. These are acceptable.

Jim Warfield
11-04-2007, 03:35 PM
To feature a "Live Demon Birth" takes alot of planning...at least nine months in advance!
Then the following year advertise "Small Crawling Hell-Spawned Demons attack your ankles!"
Just as the little monster is about to chew off your foot it's "Demon After-Birth" to th rescue! Atacking the Demon and choking it to unconsciousness, plugging his mouth and nose.
The Demon regains speech and claims he saw the afterbirth trailing him for the last year but simply thought it was his own shadow.....a rancid shadow.

If a haunt is going to have extremely objectionable displays or themed rooms , do they have "I've Had Enough!" Exits every so often for those who have "Had Enough" of what the show is?
It might save them alot of extra work, the work of putting extra people through the place if nothing else?

malicious_intents
11-05-2007, 04:46 PM
I Love Demon Baby Afterbirth.... Its Chewy.....and Tastes Like Chicken

6stringjohn
11-05-2007, 05:58 PM
Demon Birth! Pop.. out that baby!!The dungeons of delhi also has a demon coming out of her mama! But I heard it tastes like Liver. Mmmmmm Mmmm Good!

hamilton
01-16-2008, 06:25 PM
Do I find it scary? Not in the least. In fact I have never found theatrical gore scary. There's nothing unexpected or entertaining about the effect. No sense of mystery... you know what he's going to do. Fun? Not so much. I won't sit here and criticize gore-fest haunted houses, as they do all right... SOMEBODY must want to see this stuff, right? Or do people go because that's about all there is for Halloween entertainment these days? I look at it this way: it's like being a stand-up comic... do you take the high-road or the low-road? I think these kind of effects have their place, and for those that want to see them, more power. I choose to give patrons an option, and give them more for their money.

Jast223
01-17-2008, 10:50 PM
Hey is haunted houchie a year round haunt or a seasonal haunt? If it is year round i will be in Columbus at a ems continuing ed class. And I will stop by.

badass
02-17-2008, 01:53 PM
As I said above, I would absolutely LOVE to come to your attraction - it looks to be totally top-notch! Unfortunately it is too late in teh season for me to venture out that way since I have many obligations during the rest of the month. Perhaps next year!

Keep up the great work and keep pushing the limits! Everything I've heard and seen just makes me want to come more! It doesn't matter if what you're doing is gory or not really, in the end you are doing something original, and THAT is the future of this business.

For too long this industry has skated along on "standards" that are basically repeated again and again ad nauseum (i.e. Hell-o-vator, chainsaw gag, store-bought animatronic electric chair guy, rotating tunnel, etc.). Although these effects are not always bad, they definitely aren't original. In my opinion, originality is the most important aspect of horror, since almost every genre cliche has been done to death (pun semi-intended). With the inclusion of in-your-face chainsaw vivisections and live demon births, I believe you (Dead Acres) are bringing us (the public) things seldom seen in a live walk-through attraction.

I actually hope more haunters start taking your lead - I know I will! My pointy of view is that if you're not bringing your proverbial A game and coming through with something original you are just wasting everyone's time and money (especially your own). Not only that, but "safe" horror is just not that impressive anymore. Sorry fans of spooky atmosphere, floating books and things that go bump in the night, but I can experience that walking through my grandma's semi-spooky house or any local cemetery. Haunted attractions need to step it up in this day and age - pushing limits in terms of shock, humor, design and yes, good taste.

Horror by nature is not a "safe" genre - it revels in disturbing the mind, assaulting the senses and making the viewer/guest squirm. The folks over at Dead Acres seem to have a firm grasp on this concept (as well as their chainsaws and shotguns) and for that, I commend them!

Bravo!

Hail horror!




i could not have said it better myself......the world is a changing place....and haunts like the Hoochie are leading the way....there will always be room for kiddy haunts....but there is a much bigger demographic out there.....one where the fans go home and can't stop thinking or talking about their experience...they come back again and again....over decades...halloween means hoochie time...no matter where life takes em they make the trek back to the hooch.....horror is not pretty...its not cobwebs and story lines...this is not church its the Hoochie baby...see ya in vegas

Jim Warfield
02-17-2008, 03:24 PM
No matter what kind of style of a show that you produce ,if there is energy and at least some measure of what seems to be sort of original, then people will be talking about their experiences there.
I am eirher very cursed or very fortunate because entertaining people here beginning 20 years ago I didn't have a clue as to what I was doing or even trying to do, I just knew that the larger part of whatever it was had to basically come from within my mind, my abilitys for me to keep enthusiastically repeating it and make a living at doing it.
The show you get here is heavilly "me" (I'm getting heavier too!)
Maybe this is good because it makes it harder for anyone to copy it, but it also makes it harder for me to hire help in October and keep up certain customer's satisfaction levels,"Well he was pretty good, BUT IT WASN'T YOU, JIM!"
I have had some help here that was Dam Good, and I sure hope they knew/know that, inspite of some customers who have crossed over into fandom for me and refuse to be as pleased with the help's efforts as they should be.

I do and say the things that I am comfortable doing, I try real hard not to copy anyone else's movie or their characters. Life is "Finite" and I am still defining who I am and how I will be reguarded when I am gone. Why waste time copying?
the last time I consciously copied was to pass the test to advance out of Kindergarten, "Whee! Glad I did that, or I'd still be there!"

Inn Reaper
02-17-2008, 03:31 PM
Loved it. Lets face it. Customers arent paying for a sheet over your head anymore.

hamilton
02-17-2008, 03:44 PM
i would hope that haunters would at least present scenarios that can't be achieved in real life. Otherwise, what's the point? Also, do we need more violence and gore represented than what we hear about everyday? Not a criticism... just a hope.

Jim Warfield
02-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Customers would be paying for a sheet over Their Head, though.
"Would you prefer the print sheet with the daiseys and Huggy-Bears on it? Maybe the celebrity sheet with the nose-drippings?"
Then quickly a sheet covers their head the rope goes around and the wallet gets removed, "Next!"
HAHAHAHAHA! We can make "anything" "work".

Killer Katie
02-20-2008, 03:35 PM
I found nothing offensive about this video, but I see anything that would entice me to go the haunted house either. Unless you had an ample reset time, it would be difficult to do this in a huanted house, at least based on my experience. The acting was subpar, and the use of "extreme" has been hacked to death lately. I have done a "suicide" scene with a shotgun, but it showed the aftermath.

Jim Warfield
02-21-2008, 01:07 PM
But to show the real aftermath you have to have a group of mourners asking "Why?" (usually) Crying, sobbing , red eyes, tears, all that fun stuff, Right?
Sounds like a real fun party doesn't it?
A million laughs......
We must do this again sometime soon.
Whose turn next time?

badass
02-21-2008, 02:28 PM
yes the kiddies....hmmmm.....i wish they would bring more...but i guess no one ever returns....i mean with a slogan like always working hard to make you sick...who would even come in the first place...well at least a couple of em do..but who are these horror fans??...why are they sooo attracted to this kinda haunt???..with airfare and hotels and rental cars being so expensive..i mean their seems to be haunts on almost every corner....why travel to the hooch...???..i would think they would rather see spooky rocking chairs and statues with moving eyes...how creepy.....i guess its a mystery..may be we will never know

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/deadacres/babys.jpg

actiondeath
02-22-2008, 02:21 PM
...i mean with a slogan like always working hard to make you sick...who would even come in the first place... i would think they would rather see spooky rocking chairs and statues with moving eyes...how creepy....

Hahahahahahaha... Yeah, what kinda sickos wanna see this stuff?!

hamilton
02-22-2008, 02:58 PM
I'm going to take the high-road here and assume I'm not being criticized for my approach to Halloween... though it sure does reek as such. ;) I certainly wouldn't classify my haunt as a "kiddy" show... I always get far more adults than kids. Besides, it's meant to be a "family" show, where everyone can enjoy themselves, not just teenagers. I suppose it's merely a difference in taste... some folks like to see blood and guts, most don't... no matter what anybody's attendance numbers are. In the end one should be left with one thought after each operating season: did I do something worthwhile, or am I just too busy counting money to care? Hmmmmm... My approach is certainly more Disney-esque... but the baby with the bar code is still funny. :D

badass
02-22-2008, 03:56 PM
its all art....and its all business...some movies are disney and some rob zombie....each attract an audience....myself and my peers are attracted to dirty nasty ugly gross horror...its funny....yes horror is funny....and we sell this to others of like minds...sure some do not like it...but we are true to our art.....we love what we do and it shows...and our fans love it too...soo may be its not for you...no one is asking you to do the same....you do what you do...it all has its place.....no reason for morality to be thrown around...not in this biz...its the pot calling the kettle black....all haunts are currently doing something objectionable to some....its the nature of the biz....loose a child and see how fast ya rethink a skeleton in a crib...just an example...not aimed at Hamilton
Haunting is not a club..its a business...we have been around for a long time...and business is good...our haunt donates to 10 different charties with over $60,000 to childrens hospital alone.....Our approach might be different from what is the norm....buts its our approach and it works very well...we do not experience issues like vomiting or moral uptights...they should know long before they get to the door whats going on in here....the reactions we see are laughing and screaming HELL YEAH !!!!

hamilton
02-22-2008, 04:21 PM
I think we're a bit of-topic now... the original thread was in regards to the shotgun suicide scene specifically. I have no problem with hard-core horror, so don't get me wrong... I don't think I'd call the shotgun scenario art, and if anybody would pay to see that, I guess it's totally up to them.

badass
02-22-2008, 04:40 PM
is not every single nook and cranny art..??.it is for me..and i bet many more including you...from the time they get outta their car to the time they run screaming out the back...they have been emersed in Haunted Hoochie Art...

actiondeath
02-22-2008, 05:03 PM
I don't think I'd call the shotgun scenario art

I think you would if you had created it. It's a really great illusion and no compressed web video is going to do it justice.

Hearing about the scene or reading about it in a review causes your perspective to be skewed. It's a suicide. Calling it quits. It's cowardly and of course it's repulsive. Your morals and values are working the wrong way against your brain and you receive it as though it were the real thing and you are reading about it in the paper or hearing it on the news (RIP, Kurt Cobain).

Fact is, it's not real and you should know going into a show that you're going to see things that are not real. When you are waiting in line and the anticipation is building up, you want so much to get through the door and have the bejesus scared out of you... Then you hear a gruff voice around the corner demanding that you get into the room so he can get the party started... a loud *snap* and the lights come on, you can see this dude's got the crazies, shotgun in hand... He starts to breath heavier and faster and you can almost see the fear in his eyes... The barrel comes up to the mouth and EVERYONE IN THE ROOM immediately starts to panic, shouting "Ohhh nooooo... Ohhhh shit... Awwww man...". BANG... SPLAT... Crowd goes wild. Not just sometimes, not every other group, every single time.

That is art, in my opinion. It just works.

hamilton
02-22-2008, 05:17 PM
Um... ok. That's all I have for that. I'll stop posting now... maybe somebody else has something to say. :)

Empressnightshade
02-22-2008, 07:58 PM
its all art....and its all business...some movies are disney and some rob zombie....each attract an audience....myself and my peers are attracted to dirty nasty ugly gross horror...its funny....yes horror is funny....and we sell this to others of like minds...sure some do not like it...but we are true to our art.....we love what we do and it shows...and our fans love it too...soo may be its not for you...no one is asking you to do the same....you do what you do...it all has its place.....no reason for morality to be thrown around...not in this biz...its the pot calling the kettle black....all haunts are currently doing something objectionable to some....its the nature of the biz....loose a child and see how fast ya rethink a skeleton in a crib...just an example...not aimed at Hamilton
Haunting is not a club..its a business...we have been around for a long time...and business is good...our haunt donates to 10 different charties with over $60,000 to childrens hospital alone.....Our approach might be different from what is the norm....buts its our approach and it works very well...we do not experience issues like vomiting or moral uptights...they should know long before they get to the door whats going on in here....the reactions we see are laughing and screaming HELL YEAH !!!!
Ouch! I could almost feel that blow to the head. ;) Well, you know my take on doing things differently. If it works for ya...GO FOR IT! I like how you wrote "haunting is not a club...it's a business...."

Jim Warfield
02-22-2008, 09:00 PM
..so, in all of those serial -killer movies as the cops discover killer's place and here are all of those nasty photos of bodys all ripped apart and other little mementos from bodies laying displayed around the room...I sometimes wonder...which haunt did he work in last October?
Ed Gein ?
John Wayne Gacy? He was in the Iowa and Illiniois JC's back in the day , he was the Iowa and Illinois JC "Man-Of-the-year" and he loved to dress like a clown , now didn't he? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

badass
02-22-2008, 11:19 PM
Whoa...Jim..don't go on another tri-state killing spree...