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drfrightner
12-01-2007, 01:28 PM
Okay folks its now time to start talking TW 2007. I have several interesting issues I want to bring up here and would appreciate everyones opinion.

First a comment about vendors displaying at this years show. It has come to my attention atleast ONE MAJOR vendor over the past few years won't even get a booth. I won't say who because they may change their mind and go, but they have a good reason for not going. The net has just changed everything, and some people get so many orders from just past clients, or whatever but the web orders are just now the best way to market for some. This has been a trend for a lot of vendors in our industry and I've seen this trend through IAAPA as well.

Seems people have downsized for years now especially at IAAPA because the web has just kept everyone busy. For myself, I questioned why I would go to IAAPA this year because I had so much business through my websites I couldn't even keep up with it all. So with the show moving to Vegas, many vendors might downsize booth sizes.

I for one am happy the show is moving to Vegas, and think all the buyers will be there in force but most of the haunts and vendors are easy of Kansas City. So it will be a long trek for most vendors and some who take box trucks are now thinking I can't afford to go that far by box truck, so they will ship in their items, which costs more. So now some are thinking downsize booth spaces.

From the people I've talk to I'm thinking you're going to see a much smaller haunt show not from losing vendors but because vendors will get less booths.

So my fist question for the vendors out there are you buying more, same or less booths this year. Does anyone have news on this front??

Secondly, many vendors and myself included are wondering what peoples travel plans will be this year.

I will make a prediction... people will come to the show like always on Friday, and probably party Saturday hang out with friends do the show on Sunday and leave.

If you didn't know the show is now on SUNDAY. Due to so many haunters having real jobs, I'm assuming that most will now do the show in that one day, and fly out Monday afternoon. Am I right, wrong, or what?

You tell me!

Thanks
Larry

bodybagging
12-01-2007, 02:09 PM
We will be Boothing in the halloween section, haunters will go all over but getting those buyers into the Haunt show is like pulling teeth.................

Jim Warfield
12-01-2007, 02:23 PM
Almost all trade shows have this problem, times and things change the way people shop and spend money.
In 1946 once a month the passeneger train would unload 25 to 40 salesmen that sold as they rode trains across the country, they all socialised here at the Hotel Glenveiw in downtown Mount Carroll, my mother and others waited on their tables and could make $25 a night in tips! (This was extremely HUGE money here back then)
So where are the trainloads of salesmen today? "Whoops! " Missed the train!
Where are the passenger trains?
Things change.
A few years ago a trade show business 25 miles from here who made and stored trade show displays folded up, went out of this business. They had numerous very new looking warehouses full of very usefull , interesting stuff that alot of people would liked to have owned and some very strange stuff too (That Larry or myself would have liked to own, I don't own a semi truck or have my own large warehouse.......)
I can see it in a few years. The venders at the tradeshow get tired of people brining in their dissappointed small children..."What's the matter? Why are you looking so sad little one?"
"You told me we would see "Dinosaurs" here, I just see a bunch of people trying to sell things to a couple of people, Daddy."

Think on your feet, keep moving, don't become a fossil!

Frighteners Entertainment
12-01-2007, 03:34 PM
We will be arriving on Sunday late morning and flying out on Thursday.


Anyone else staying at the Imperial Palace?

Forgot to mention that the Imperial is within walking distance to the show (if I remember right, 3 blocks or less)

gadget-evilusions
12-01-2007, 06:37 PM
We were going to get a booth, but now that the show is in vegas, we can't afford to drive or ship enough stuff to make having a booth worth while. If the show had been in chicago again, we could have driven the 6 hours with box trucks and had a booth.

We are arriving friday, taking a little vacation friday and saturday, attend the show all 4 days, and take more vacation and leave on friday.

We are staying friday and saturday at the imperial, but sunday thru sunday the stratosphere was only $60 a night.

If the show ever comes back to the east, we will get a booth, but for now, we will sell our butts off at our 3 booths at MHC.

xxxdirk
12-01-2007, 06:46 PM
I plan on flying in Friday afternoon, going to some shows FRi & Sat & satying all the days. I am at the Imperial Palace too! Hope this convention WONT suck, but hearing from Larry, it might... :(

Jim Warfield
12-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Dirk, the Magician is flying into Vegas! Have your turban wrapped tight to keep your head warm on the magic carpet.!
(Call ahead and have the maid leave your room's window open and land right on the king-sized mattress!) COOL!!
Transworld had "Count Suckula " one year, he was neat! A vacuum sucked wrinkles onto his face as you watched him age right before your eyes! (And also before your nose, lips, eye lashes, boogers hanging just inside your nose, watching, laughing, swinging back and forth, threatening to free-fall into your raisen pudding where they will mingle with the natives and vanish!)

drfrightner
12-02-2007, 02:36 AM
I'm not saying the show will suck, I'm simply saying from what I'm hearing some vendors might now show, and others might take less booths. That isn't a bad thing, I think people will only bring new stuff and not old stuff and new stuff.

Many vendors bring their old stuff or some old stuff and all new stuff. This year I think you'll just see the new stuff from the haunt vendors. When showing only new stuff they'll buy fewer booths. From what I'm hearing vendors will be buying fewer booths.

I personally will only buy ONE booth and thats it.

I think the haunt show will be smaller I don't think there is any doubt about it from what I'm hearing. However I wouldn't say it won't be as good or anything like that. People will still bring the new stuff and really isn't that all we care about???

Larry

Barry
12-02-2007, 08:19 AM
Larry,

I am hearing the the same things about vendors. I think haunt show will be much smaller this year (it has been shrinking for a few years). Not only will there be fewer vendors but they will take less booths.

As for attendance, I think it will be down but not a lot. There will be people on the west coast that will attend for the first time an people will go "cause it's Vegas".

The real question is what will happen in 2009. Most haunters go to the shows as much for the social atmosphere as they do for the tradeshow. Right now I do not see Vegas as offering this type of environment. The is no "Crown Plaza" as of yet. A lot of people went to Chicago because they conducted as much business and networking at the Crowne as they did anywhere else.

Finally, I think TW is caught between a rock and a hard place. The Hauntshow generates enough income that they cannot do away with it completely but it doesn't seem to be big enough for them to give it their full attention either. Meanwhile, the haunt community seems to be finding other alternatives, be it the internet or shows like ours which is growing every year.

SpFXChic
12-02-2007, 12:40 PM
We're arriving Saturday and be there through Thursday. Looks like we'll all be bunking at the Strat, as well.

Frighteners Entertainment
12-02-2007, 01:40 PM
We're arriving Saturday and be there through Thursday. Looks like we'll all be bunking at the Strat, as well.
for those staying at the Strat, will you be renting a car or taking a taxi to the show?

Kevin Dells
12-02-2007, 03:07 PM
I am not going to say i told you so but what more is there to say.
Attendance will be down a little this year but next year it's really going to take a leap way down.

Possibly less vendors, many have already spoken that they are in fact buying smaller booth spaces therefore indeed making it a smaller show.

And so why would people pay more to travel farther (unless your a west coast haunt) to see and experience less?

People are going to feel that it's not going to be worthwhile after going to this years show,hence next year more people will be showing up to MHC a more centralized area closer to where a lot higher % of the vendors are locted. Get ready Barry your going to get slammed.

As far as people buying everything via internet, yeah maybe a little of the lower dollar products they already have a history with wether the products proved itself or fallen apart. Would a haunt owner buy a 10,000 dollars prop via interent,probably not he's going to want to see the quality of the product first.

Just my opinion and prediction

xxxdirk
12-02-2007, 05:16 PM
Maybe I am just behind the times but if I am paying over $500 for something, I want to see it in person and meet the people I am buying from. Now, I might be willing to buy something that I have not seen in person from a vendor I trust like Unit 70, Gore Galore or maybe even Distortions, if it is a brand new company, nope.
So anyhow, I will go to Vegas this year, if nothing else to go to Vegas, but if the convention sucks, I will not be back. I am going to try to hit Hauntcon and MWHC, but my prediction is that Barrys will be the big show this season. Just seems most of the haunters on on the East side of the country, and many of the builders are there too. The haunt conventioin in Chicago always made sense to me....

bodybagging
12-03-2007, 04:48 AM
Renting a car in Vegas is almost useless, if youre not from vegas, youll just end up stuck in traffic, while if you pay the 6 bucks to drive from one side of the strip to the other side of the strip, youll save lots of time, because those crazy butt Taxi drivers literally haul butt........

mindtumor
12-03-2007, 07:48 AM
I will go again this year, but if the show is a lot smaller and not as good I probably won't go again for a couple of years. I am from Michigan and I am just going to go ahead and drive to Vegas this year. I have always wanted to drive across the country and this is a good oppurtunity.

Monster-Tronics
12-03-2007, 12:07 PM
We are going but we are not planning on having a booth at TW this year. Last year really turned me off from wanting to show there again so soon. The noise, grief and cost was not something I want to go through again just yet. Depending on the showroom lay-out in Vegas we might vend next year, will have to wait and see.

At Hauntcon last year we doubled our sales vs. TW at ¼ the cost and zero grief, so needless to say we will be showing at Hauntcon this year. We will also be showing at MHC and maybe some of the smaller local events too. I’m glad to see Barry will be providing pipe & drape booth dividers, and table, etc… this year. That really helps vs having to ship stuff in or rent it all like at TW.

Hope to see everyone there, if not we’ll see ya at Hauntcon or MHC!!!

Frighteners Entertainment
12-03-2007, 01:41 PM
That is true BB, that's why I booked at the Imperial. I stayed there a couple of years ago for the security trade show. Easy walk and didn't deplete my bank account.

So Jeff, when are you coming in?

Monster-Tronics
12-03-2007, 02:09 PM
Hey Jeff,

I think we are flying in on Friday night or early Sat. and staying at Harrah's, which I think is kind of next door to the exhibit area.

I hope we can all find a home base like the Crown to hang at or at least meet up at. I think I remember someone posting (might have been Tattoo) that said they scoped a few places out. Best if it was in walking distance of the show.

Frighteners Entertainment
12-03-2007, 05:36 PM
I believe you are right on that, thinking that the Harrah has an enrty at the back of the hotel? This gives a nice layout of Vegas.

http://www.lasvegasmaps.com/stripmap2.gif

SpFXChic
12-03-2007, 10:13 PM
for those staying at the Strat, will you be renting a car or taking a taxi to the show?

More than likely. I know that I probably will anyhow. I've always rented a car in Vegas, and never really had any major issues. Just gotta know those back roads and how to deal with 6 lanes of traffic each way. :)

We have the core crew coming, and there was talk of renting a large van. But, I have low patience. If I want to be somewhere, I want to be there when I want to be there.

Granted, there are plenty of forms of public transport, so it's not totally necessary to rent a vehicle. There's the bus, taxi's, the tram, your feet. Do what works for you.

Nicole
12-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Our boss is going - not sure which days. But it's just him. My husband and I decided to put our $ into a week-long cruise with 20 friends instead... 1 week in the Bahamas in Jan. or a couple days in Vegas? (for actually LESS than Vegas). Um - Bahamas! Vegas, maybe next year...

BUT...

In the TW press release they DID mention that they will have a "presence" in Chicago in 2009 - any hints to what this will be? This is contradictory to this most recent bit of info: http://www.tsnn.com/blog/?p=58

Greg Chrise
12-05-2007, 08:21 PM
You still have to go to Chicago to check your coats first?

drfrightner
12-05-2007, 09:12 PM
Today I heard about another vendor who might shock you, that doesn't look like they will have a booth at this years show. I heard a rumor about one company lost a deal with another company and as a result they won't be offering their service any longer to the industry.

I talked to Scarefactory and they said they will have about the same amount of booths but maybe fewer.

I'll keep you updated on what I hear.

Larry

TheNightMare
12-06-2007, 01:38 AM
Thanks Larry for keeping us in the loop, much appreciated.

Doug Kelley
12-06-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm sorry to hear TW isn't going to be very good this year. I grew up in Ohio and "drank the Lake Erie water" so I have haunting in my blood but live on the left coast now and haunts don't quite stand up to what I've experienced in the past! I've got a lot of crap to buy this year since I'm just starting out and I want to meet people before I buy. I've heard too many horror stories on this board to make my purchases solely through the Internet (with a few exceptions). Chicago would be okay (hate the weather) but Columbus isn't served by any airlines, really (not interested in SkyBus) so LAS seems like a great location since all the airlines fly there and the weather is great. It's too bad the support doesn't seem to be there from the community.

At least, if I have to go to Columbus, I can visit the family in Youngstown while I'm there...

drfrightner
12-06-2007, 08:43 PM
I wasn't saying the show wasn't going to be good at all... as you know the industry has been having some problems with vendors, and I think some vendors are having their own problems. Due to a little of this and a little of that I don't think you should expect to see as many haunt vendors buying tons of booth space. I think some vendors will be missing, and other will have to downscale because they can't drive as much stuff 2 or 3 thousand miles to Las Vegas.

Most of the vendors are from the midwest, heck Scareparts, Scarefactory and Unit 70 are all from Ohio. It's a LOOOOOOONNNNGGG drive from Columbus to Nevada.

I think the show will still be great, but I don't expect as many booths from some vendors. I think what you'll see mostly is NEW stuff not NEW stuff mixed with old stuff.

Larry

Jim Warfield
12-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Of course on the drive to Las Vegas everyone from Ohio and other locations east could all stop at the Land Of OZ gas station and Subway Shop at the edge of Mount Carroll and have a mini convention!
They have a big parking lot and are only a mile from The Ravens Grin Inn, right down Mill Street then a block left onto Market, turn on Carroll left and there is our parking lot!
hahahaha!

Greg Chrise
12-06-2007, 11:24 PM
Or perhaps it is finally time...

Raven's Grin Inn, the Jumbo Jet. Watch out for the emergency exits!

Jim Warfield
12-07-2007, 08:11 AM
Every night from 12 to 1:00 three big Fed-Ex-UPS? jets fly right over my house, hide in a box with your parachute, slip out the back door when you see the big Miss. River coming up.......

elswarro
12-08-2007, 05:38 PM
this is our first show....so we dont know what to expect. i'm guessing on the amount of que line dvd's to bring and how to present everything. should be very interesting!

see ya there!

Tattoo
12-08-2007, 06:20 PM
The Haunt part of the TW show will be a lot smaller than what people experience in Chicago. I believe the "Halloween" part of the show will be as big or bigger than in Chicago.

I have also been told by and have heard that different vendors will not be attending this show, I also know that their will be vendors at the show we have not seen in Chicago.

Kind of a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation.

The entire Bad Boys crew will be attending, however we are attending for different reasons. Most (I didn't say all) of our buying will be done at MHC, HC, on-line and with the vendors that we have built great relationships with over the years.

The education at HauntCon and MidWest Haunters is outstanding and so is the time you can spend with vendors to see the product, ask the questions, and make the decisions.

TW, historically has been a lot more fast paced, bigger, and well..........controversial to their attitude towards Haunters.

The show will be great regardless of who exhibits and who attends. Haunters like to have a good time and I think that everyone who attends will have a great time!

There are a lot of great Conventions for our Industry, just as there are great websites, magazines, and learning materials etc.

Our jobs are to make the right decisions on which ones are the right ones for us.

I look forward to seeing everyone in Vegas (Jimmy Buffets Margaritaville Bar will be a great location to party for everyone looking for a "central" party area)
Believe it or not, it's a pretty cool place! Brett Bertolino and I spent some time there during a site survey for TW this past year, it was a fun place very close to the convention center right on the Las Vegas strip.

I am also very much looking forward to teaching at HauNTcoN again this year and returning to Columbus for the great show that is MHC!

We are all staying at Harrah's for about a week............see you there!

I hope you all have very Happy Holidays and we'll see you soon!

Here is a link to the all day seminar we will be teaching at HauNTcoN:
http://www.hauntcon.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=61

Take care,

Tattoo

P.S. These are my feelings on the shows....just wanted to add the disclaimer.... :)

Matt Marich
12-09-2007, 09:47 AM
We will be at TW this year as usual. The show located in Vegas is a nice change of pace, and I admit that missing the cold Chicago weather and snow will suck for us Arizonans! I think the show will be great and change is good! As a vendor that will spend about $ 20,000.00 to attend I think everyone should be optimistic. We will spend and additional $ 15,000.00 to protoptype new ideas. It's a gamble for us but we love this industry so much and getting feedback from Haunters is important!

Vendors that don't answer phones are blowing a chance to connect with their customer base. If mine don't reach me directly, I always give out my cell number for emergencies and questions. Kevin Alvey's posts are terrific, he understands the pain of what it takes to run a small business. Manufacturing custom pieces and stock items takes time. We don't always get it right either and I admit it. But, we try to make it right and this year we will impliment a program to hopefully make Haunters feel more comfortable about their orders. We are lucky in that we have a customer base outside of the Haunt Industry that supports us. As a custom set design studio it enables us to work from a base with a "Day Job."
Vendors that can't fill orders need to hire enough seasonal workers to get the work done. We will ramp up to 25 workers twice a year if needed for one customer. You do what it takes or get out. If you take orders in Feb.-March and can't ship in September, something is wrong. Folks, that's 6 months!

The move to the west coast for a while will hopefully see new vendors and customers to add a jolt of new energy to the business. We will occupy our usual 3-4 booths and bring about 25-35 new items. We are concerned with ease of use, cost to the customer, dependability, customer loyalty and satisfaction.

We truly hope to see you all there, and we as always can't wait to see what our competition has in store to dazzle even us.

stafford
12-10-2007, 04:47 PM
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not, but is the haunt show going to be separate still, or will it be incorporated into the Halloween show floor like it used to be?

Chris

Barry
12-10-2007, 05:04 PM
While they do not have the floor plan on the Haunt Show website, you can view it at www.tweshows.com under the HCP show. You will see that it is part of the main floor this year.

gadget-evilusions
12-10-2007, 06:48 PM
Wow, we are no longer our own floor, that's just weird. The halloween buyers can no longer avoid us.

TheCareTaker
12-11-2007, 10:32 AM
well i hope it is a good one this will be my first, but i am not gonig to buy anything i am going for a siminar and for getting an idea of what and how boths are presented.
look for me in the future.

Frighteners Entertainment
12-11-2007, 01:56 PM
Wow, we are no longer our own floor, that's just weird. The halloween buyers can no longer avoid us.
This is the way it used to be, not for sure how many years ago that was?

Monster-Tronics
12-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Once the other vendors get an ear full we will be separated again… They are very quite and reserved and even like to talk to their customers. lol

drfrightner
12-11-2007, 04:44 PM
I do think the haunt show should be part of the main floor, but seperated much like IAAPA does with their show. They put the inflatables with the inflatables they have a section technology, blah, blah, blah.

I'll have to check out the haunt section floor plan.

I don't know if we're going to get one or two booths. Either way all we're bringing is Hauntworld.com and that is about it.

We'll be selling the featured banners, listings, and other stuff and our videos.

I'll have to see what we'll do. We might get two just because we might need space to sit down with people.

Hauntworld.com attracted over 2 million visits and sent over 700,000 banner hits alone to haunts world wide. That number doesn't include the click through on the profiles. I'd have to get those stats later.

Either way we plan on selling a lot of banners.

Larry

bodybagging
12-13-2007, 05:06 AM
I spoke with our TW rep today, and he said that the shows will be same floor, seperated by think black Drapery....... The question is will the major buyers venture thru the Drapery.