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twohlgemuth
03-16-2008, 12:34 AM
Being a first time vendor, all I got to say about the Sands Expo is never again!

I hate this venue and I'm glad to hear it is going back to Chicago next year. The people running the material handling make you want to never return.

Getting anywhere in this city is freaking ridiculous and forget about gambling just getting around will drain your wallet. This makes HauntCon and Midwest look like the future to me. Trust me for the guys not going to Vegas don't feel bad. Unless you like sitting in traffic for an hour to travel a mile. So far, moving Transworld to Vegas was a big mistake.

RJ Productions
03-16-2008, 01:51 AM
I'm sure there are problems everywhere. This show has one BIG problem, scheduling. The Con-Ag Show was in town until today (Saturday) It is a HUGE sgow only held every 3 years. Over 150,000 attendees are in Vegas for it, they of course aren't leaving until Sunday, so guess what...traffic concerns, hotel concerns, you name it. Just look over at the LV Convention center, there are Sky cranes as far as the eye can see.

We're stuck competing with that!! At least it was in the upper 60's today.. 70's by Monday. Chicago is actually nice for them 40's! But no sweat if it goes back to Chi Town, it's no vacation when it's in your home town!!!

Jim Warfield
03-16-2008, 02:08 AM
"Sitting in traffic" while all that expensive gasoline just burns away!
If I went to Vegas I would hide my money in my shoe, but then all that walking around would wear a hole in my shoe so it would still be the same problem, no money!
Maybe a combo fossil fuel/electric could be in traffic without "burning" anything, just turn off the electric and sit there, need to move ahead, flip switch on goes the electric motor.
There is a design that solves these crowded situations..it's called "A Small Town".
Traffic is calm and slow, people are pretty friendly, nobody is in a hurry and there you go!

MindWerxKMG
03-16-2008, 09:57 AM
The traffic here is unbelievable. The taxi lines are unbelievable. Everything is sooo expensive. I hope haunters have enough money left to make purchases at the show! I used to live here and I thought I really missed it. NOT!!!!

Mr. Haunt
03-16-2008, 06:27 PM
This is what happens when you bring something such as Halloween to one of Americas #1 attractions (Vegas).

I am sure it's like that for a lot of expos. For the businesses of Vegas such as the casino's, it's like a gold rush every time there is an expo.

I would not have a convention in vegas, it's just more $$$$$$$ for them and they are wrolling in $$$$$$ before you get there.



Mr. Haunt

FutureHauntings83
03-16-2008, 10:07 PM
is that deffinate transworld going back to chicago next year already? or just a rumor? i love the idea, and although i totaly miss the fun this year, i'm glad i didn't go.hope there are some good points about the show at least.

steve o.

drfrightner
03-17-2008, 04:52 AM
Okay my 2 cents...

But first... yes the show is moving back to Chicago and in January as first reported here on Hauntworld.com.

I think the new show dates are 16-19th or something like that. Now my 2 cents... going back to Chicago in my opinion is a bad idea personally. Chicago in January c'mon. The party people who trying to start their own, want to go to Houston in January and cite on their website an average temp of 60 degrees.

Chicago in January NO WAY! I'm not for it. I remember several times trying to drive to Chicago with ice slicked roads, nearing getting killed trying to drive there, or airplanes that get cancelled and we're talking about March here NOT January.

Chicago is an amazing city no doubt...IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER!

If you're going to move the show back to the midwest or whatever do the show in Texas or heck St. Louis which is the most central city in America and its not that cold here in January compared to Chicago.

If you're going to move the show other than Vegas in January then pick a NEW city that is WARM with no ice and no snow or COLD winds that just pound on you. That is my opinion.

As for Vegas... I think this the greatest city in the WORLD to have a convention with maybe Orlando being second or maybe first. IAAPA itself is going to Vegas in 2009 and will alternate between Orlando and Vegas from now on. They have worked out better deals with the convention centers to bring in their show, and I'm sure TW could do the same or switch the site to a different center.

But there is NO VENDOR happy here... drayage fees are out of this world for haunters with heavy equipment, and the rules are too strict, and the costs are too high for most haunt vendors who are located in the Midwest.

Tony is right about a lot of things, but Vegas is a draw and that is important to any tradeshow. If the show is promoted correcting you can't find a better market. New Orleans would also be a great place for this show in January because its warmer than Chicago.

I'm closer to Chicago, Chicago is closer to many major cities but lets be real Chicago in the WINTER IS BORING AND COLD so not really a DRAW for buyers, who have many other choices now. There are now other shows for Halloween retail, and as we see in our industry many options for haunts as well.

For TW to survive going forward they MUST move the show back into January for sure... smart move! Should have been done 5 years ago!

Better late than never... but PICK A DIFFERENT CITY somewhere in the MIDWEST or SOUTHWEST...Dallas, New Orleans, Houston, anywhere but Chicago.

Okay now let me sum this up... I love Vegas, who love to see the show stay here, its more fun for the buyers, but worse on the vendors.

Chicago better for the vendors, but terrible YUCK for the buyers, which in turn could be bad for the vendors.

Bottom line who cares what I think, who cares what anyone thinks because I doubt anyone will ever be 110% happy. LOL

I'm right about Chicago in January, Tony is right about the problems with Vegas, so what is the right answer?

January ... PERFECT was needed 5 years ago! We got that one right.

Now pick the best possible city for a JANUARY TRADESHOW and roll...

I looked up the average weather for Chicago in January and its about 20 degrees. WOW that is freakin cold! It also says January is the COLDEST month in Chicago...BRRRRRR!

Chicago...NO! Moving the show back to January will solve a lot of TW's problems but moving the show back to Chicago won't. Maybe Vegas isn't the answer but Chicago isn't either in January. With more and more people doing business through the web, way more than tradeshows these days, you have to make tradeshows fun for the buyers. And lets be honest buyers are having fun in Vegas! Maybe too much! LOL

Either way Vegas probably isn't the right city for the Halloween industry which more of an east coast midwest holiday. Sooo... go to New Orleans, or Dallas or something that isn't below freezing!!!!

I can see it now... next January a blizzard rolls into Chicago, people have the worst travel situations and say 'hell with it I'm going somewhere else' or simply not at all.

So in a nut shell who cares what I think, Chicago has many pluses, but it will never be the buyers draw of Vegas, Orlando, New Orleans, etc.

Ya know when you realllllyyyy stop and think about it the perfect place for this show is ORLANDO, same place IAAPA has a lot of success. Its a right to work state, costs are a lot cheaper, warm weather, tons of hotels, tons of things to do, and lots of built in customers for vendors with Universal, Sea World, Disney, Ripleys, Busch Gardens, and the lot.

GO TO ORLANDO and CALL IT A DAY!

Larry

Barry
03-17-2008, 06:00 AM
How much you want to bet that TW will be back in March come 2010?

Nicole
03-17-2008, 09:08 AM
Well, we actually did hit a freakish 60 degrees one day this past January here in Chicago/Milwaukee, but this is what happened when we did:

http://www.wisn.com/weather/14996323/detail.html

twohlgemuth
03-17-2008, 09:13 AM
Orlando would be perfect! I'm sure Vegas is perfect if you like to party like a rock star and have "escourt" services from any number of the hundreds of mexicans trying to hand you a "business" card with a girl showing the world what her mother gave her!

For me as a vendor Vegas sucks, rude sobs working the docks and way over priced. Just a clue of what I'm saying is Internet access $1200 for the 4 day show!

As a buyer I hate fighting traffic, and very high prices. Example, bottle of water $4.00, hot dog $9.00. I can't imagine what the girls want on those business cards to escourt me. Even if I was not a vendor I would not return, just my .002.

Maybe I'm just getting old and this city of excess is too much of everything.

Jim Warfield
03-17-2008, 10:11 AM
Weren't a lot of the Transworld's scheduled in the latter part of March?
I know that one year they moved it to the weekend of a Friday the thirteenth with a full moon, but it (seems to me) to have traditionally been at the end of March before that. In northern Illiniois there can be a big weather difference just going from the start to the finish of March.
The end of March could offer the best show possibilitys for everyone. Travel might not be extremely pleasant but at least it isn't an act of defying death , but once in the show the weather is blustery enough to keep potential buyers basically indoors where the venders are set up.

drfrightner
03-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Let me throw in a third cent...

Let me just say this much... I'm going to TRANSWORLD no matter what. They do an awesome job, and lets be honest the seminars have gotten nothing but better. I also like the work Jenny has been doing bringing in celebs and stuff making the show seem more important.

The show floors have never looked better, blah, blah.

But if TW is looking to solve all long term solutions, I'm just saying Chicago in January isn't it. Now let me say I think January is 110% the time the show should be located. This will give all vendors MORE time to produce products. There is no reason that we as an industry need more time (March) to make plans to attend a tradeshow, or figure out things.

I'm also slightly disappointed that Transworld by moving back to Chicago isn't merging with FunExpo because that seemed PERFECT for everyone especially vendors. Putting the haunt show together with Fun Expo was the PERFECT FIT!

So I'm assuming that is off but I hope its not.

Anyway, in the long run I think the show should go to Orlando.

For both buyers and vendors its the best all around solution. If you go to Orlando in January its not that cold, its better for out of country buyers, it has a built in audience with all the theme parks located there, and its home to a million things to do.

Again I'll be at Chicago but I KNOW that the costumer people will say 'its too cold' I know people will say 'we might get snowed out' and I know people will say 'its so boring there...', and I know people will still say 'the unions are rude or whatever'... so why go back.

If you go to Orlando no one will say a word. In Orlando get EVERYTHING all in one swoop... perfect weather, great airport, TONS of cheap hotels, tons of entertainment, and a GREAT situation with convention center, just ask IAAPA.

GO TO ORLANDO and lets make that the new HOME!

It would be better for everyone involved!

Larry

SomeThingInTheIce
03-17-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, I live 2 hours from O town, so he// ya move it here!!!lol.

SomeThingInTheIce
03-17-2008, 05:45 PM
OH, how about this, working out a deal with Universal to do the haunt tour. All they would have to do is hold off striking the sets.

Jim Warfield
03-17-2008, 05:50 PM
I usually build my sets so they can handle repeated strikes, kicks and lot of other abuse and come off being none the worse for it.

(%^) ?

damon carson
03-17-2008, 05:51 PM
All I can say is Yeah if Transworld comes to Chicago. I wanted to go to Vegas but my plans didnt work out to attend. I lived in Vegas I know how weather can be in January there. It can be very cold, windy, and even rainy. So winter months are no advantage there. It is very expensive in Vegas its priced for tourists. Im glad if it does return to Chicago. But lets pray the weather is good! That time of year doesnt sound promising. Everyone saying well the weather is always bad in Chicago. Yes last year it was. But the year before it was 70 degree weather all weekend. Just like it is in Vegas right now. Just my 2 cents.
Damon

Jim Warfield
03-17-2008, 06:00 PM
Mount Carroll is due west of Chicago on route 64, otherwise known as North Avenue, so weather-wise it will be the same moreso than not.
I have left Mount Carroll in the middle of March, headed south as far as Champaign, Illinois ("March Madness, Basketball) and found the farmers on their tractors, plowing! Back home everything was still buried under snow and freezing!
Gee, Larry, maybe St. Louis would be the best of both worlds, central location and better weather?

Nightgore
03-17-2008, 09:03 PM
I like Orlando... but what about:

Atlanta, St. Louis, Nashville, Lexington, Columbus, Cincy, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Pittsburg, New Orleans, etc. etc.

There are SEVERAL GREAT cities that could host Transworld and it be WAY more popular than both Chicago and Vegas. I think it's just a management issue really, I guess they just really want to listen to "the people"... LOL! -Tyler

Nicole
03-17-2008, 09:31 PM
Chicago in January isn't the best month weather-wise, but it's not the worst one either - you never know living here. I lived here all my life.

I don't think that having it back in Chicago in Jan. isn't going to doom the show. Yes, we had a BAD winter this year - but it's not an everyday/every year thing. I was in Orlando this January and there was a tornado a few miles from us and BAD storms - friends who flew in a few hours after we arrived almost didn't make it for the cruise we were leaving for. On the drive home we hit tornadoes again in Nashville, TN! It's a gamble with bad weather anywhere in January no matter how you look at it - just a little colder in Chicago.

Yes, there's no major attractions right outside the doorstep in Rosemont (except a new Muvico)- but why are we all there anyway? I'd much rather see DreamReapers and network with other haunters and see old friends than everyone spread out and do their own thing.

My .02 sense (senseless or not) :)

Jim Warfield
03-17-2008, 09:40 PM
The "people" get listened to as a last resort, it seems to me. It also seems as if the main consideration might be which month the rent is the cheapest?
Just my uneducated guess.
If the haunt manufacturers need more lead time to get their products out? Couldn't just hiring more help do the same thing?
We house owners, managers, have to hire more help to handle more customers.
If I could get my October business evenly spread out over the year I wouldn't need any help! (But that ain't gunna happen now is it?)

xxxdirk
03-18-2008, 12:51 AM
VEGAS SUCKS!

Ok now that I have stated my opinion, here is why.

Drinks: $10 for a rum & coke. There are a few reasonably priced bars, but most are $$$$$

Food is actually not badly priced. I found a few Mcdonalds and Panda Expresses and Subways close to MY hotel for late night meals. However, if you wanna bite during the show, you either have to walk forEVER to get something cheap as the expo is not close to a faster food place, or pay the typical high priced transworld meal. Today I spent $15 for a big burrito & coke.

Transportation. I am staying kind of close to the convention center, but it still takes $8 by taxi to ride the 3 blocks to the center. Its either do that or walk forever past those guys clicking the "Hot girls to your room now cards"

No CROWNE. Vegas is fine if you know a bunch of people and want to hang with them. But there is no place to walk to where you know everyone will be. Everyone just kind of wanders off and it is by chance if you run into a few friendly faces.

Lay out of the show is retarded. No one is where they normally are, especially on the costume area. Also, I think attendence is way down. 1st night at the fashion show, normally packed and in a huge room. This room, not packed, in a smaller typical tradeshow hall. Also, in Chicago, two free drink tickets and a meal. Vegas, 1 drink, NO food!!!!!

No entertainment in Chicago? ummm, DREMRREAPERS!!! & I am sure that the little city of Chicago has a few things to do at night? Besides, Yeah, Vegas has shows, about $50-$100 a pop. How many haunters can afford that? Haunters are MORE than happy to watch & take part in the freak show that takes place at the CROWNE nightly.

So yeah, I am excited and happy they are moving back. For those of you whining about the Chicago weather, I have been to 6 TW in Chicago. Last year was the 1st time there was ever really bad weather. I mean, sure it might be a bit cold, but gesh, its not like the convention is outside. If you are poor or cheap like me you walk 10' from your cab to the center. BFD! If you are rich like Larry you stay at the Crowne. LOL, maybe that is how we can tell what the following season will be like. Go to Larry room, drag him out of bed and see if he can see his shadow. If he sees it, it will mean an extra 2000 customers at our haunts!

Peace out!

Ratbitw
03-18-2008, 01:24 AM
glad you all came to Vegas, but no way in Hell I'm I going to Chicago in Jan.

drfrightner
03-18-2008, 02:45 AM
What I don't think some of you realize yet, is that there is a group trying to start a competing show in January but in Houston. I think the show in cold Chicago is the coldest month is not a good idea. I've travelled through Chicago many times and have been stranded. I've tried to drive to Chicago in the winter in ice storms.

I think the best spot for this show is ORLANDO...its a city that no one can complain about. Its a RIGHT TO WORK STATE... I'm not going to say who but one vendor paid over 80k in drayage fees. In Orlando if they so choose would be ZERO! Orlando is a right to work state. As for my comments about 'nothing to do in Chicago, I didn't mean as a shot at Dreamreapers, I'm talking about normal things to do. Its just cold.

No one can argue that in Vegas has something for everyone, so does Orlando.

Chicago is one of AMerica's greatest cities but not in January.

Larry

Barry
03-18-2008, 06:00 AM
Update at the bottom of this article:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/16776191.html

Jim Warfield
03-18-2008, 09:16 AM
Dirk:"If Larry sees his shadow?"
Did Larry ever bring his shadow with him to Transworld?
Larry Alaucard?
Larry Alaucard is NEVER allowed a booth in the dark zone, too many neck injurys!

Greg Chrise
03-18-2008, 09:22 AM
I thought Larry the ground hog day was September 15th? If he sees his shadow there are 6 more weeks of Halloween!?!

If he does't see his shadow, he gets another one from the temporary agency? Usually this takes a day in delays and thus determines if the haunt will be open thru November 2nd?

Mr. Haunt
03-18-2008, 10:38 AM
Weather is a pig factor when it comes down to it. I know the sooner in the year the expo takes place the better it is for vendors and haunters. Why not try it one year in mid April.

It might be best to keep the show in the center of the country or start doing this in a differant state each year. But then again some might not be able to handle the work load going from one place to another.

Why not Minnesota!


Mr. Haunt

Jim Warfield
03-18-2008, 11:54 AM
Mr. Haunt, I heard the "Pig Factor" had more to do with a guy's desperation when getting a date?
Pretty lonely up there in the frozen wastes of Minnesota?
Never go into a certain bar at night in Mutt Carnal looking for a date unless you bring a couple ears of corn with you! (It's a "Farm" joke)

icandrawem2
03-18-2008, 01:45 PM
Larry Id have to say Im with you on the Orlando location, warm weather, plenty to do, not too terribly expensive. Plus I may be moving there soon, so to go to the show would be a breeze. yay orlando...oh and that one haunted house "Terrible in Orlando"...oh did i say that? I kid.

damon carson
03-18-2008, 05:45 PM
Dirk Im still chuckling out loud about your post! Im with you man Im glad its coming back to Chicago! Everyone can quit whining lol! Im right with you on us common haunters trying to figure how to make a dollar stretch in this day and age. And trust me I know Vegas isnt the answer! And it sounds like it isnt even for the vendors! But this new theory of seeing Larrys shadow is very interesting to say the least! Down right funny! I dont know where you came up with that one but everyone will be looking for it next year im sure! LOL! I will sit and buy you a drink at the Crowne next year. I will probably still be laughing. And this Pig factor goes back to another post on the weather I think Jim made about weather in March near Chicago. The weather was so nice then that all the pig farmers were out?! LOL!
Damon

Xanthar
03-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Nothing like the first weekend of May in the Pennsylvannia / New Jersey area to give you warm thoughts eh?

www.EasternHauntersConvention.com

You WONT need a taxi
You WONT get swarmed by 'girls on cards'
You WONT pay $15 for a burrito and coke

You WILL have a great time with a bunch of haunt friends in a cozy but very professional atmosfear......

May 2nd, 3rd and 4th.


Xanthar of the Museum

Jim Warfield
03-18-2008, 08:49 PM
So, are you saying that I could get everything for just the same $15.00?
The backseat of the cab, the girl shown on the card and a burrito and a Coke?
Did it take long to assemble this package deal for us tourists?
I know that Dirk will be there with his hot little magical hands dripping with enough small change to add up to $15.oo!
When he's there in the back seat if someone pops up with a camera to take blackmail pics Dirk will just pull Larry's shadow out of his pocket and darken the lense beyond recognition.
But , sadly Dirk will be putting a curse upon himself because now he will have to remain in that backseat for six more weeks! The doors automatically locked!
And things are turning ugly, first that burrito then the girl, then curses upon curses, the Coke goes flat! NOT THAT!!!

SomeThingInTheIce
03-19-2008, 05:35 PM
Jim, I just read your post and laughed so hard that ice tea came out my nose.

drfrightner
03-19-2008, 07:43 PM
There is a lot of speculation as to if the show will actually be back in Vegas in March 2009 or in Chicago in January 2009. Don't be surprised if this goes back to Vegas, however right now they're saying Chicago but right now I don't know for sure. I would wait another four weeks or so before you hear the FACTS from Transworld themselves. I wouldn't believe any speculation you hear but there is another show starting in Houston and that is FOR SURE! With that show going on in January, Transworld might have their show in the standard March. I don't know for sure but I'm positive that Transworld will make some sort of official announcement soon.

Until then I wouldn't worry about because something is going to get worked out soon and be announced. The new show that will be in January will be located in Houston next January. Additionally THERE IS NO ROOM for haunters, not because they don't want us, but because the hall they have rented is only 300,000 square feet. A typical Transworld show not including the haunt section is about 500,000 square feet.

So there is just no room for the haunt show there, and in addition they won't even have enough for their own exhibitors. I was approached by this group and they're interested in haunters, however TW is steadfast that nothing will change with their show and they're planning on expanding the opportunties for the haunt buyers and vendors.

There will be a lot of things flying around but don't buy into much of it until you read some sort of official statement from someone.

But with all that said don't make plans for Chicago just yet, nor Vegas just yet, but I think you'll hear something final within the next month or so.

Larry

Grimley
03-19-2008, 08:21 PM
Vegas was great as always. We bought from more vendors this year than ever before and met some very cool people. We did see some new stuff from the West coast that had never made it to Transworld before. We are very worried that the show will move back to Chicago. For one in Vegas we had something to do every night we were there. We hit several of the major shows and had a blast were as in Chicago you sit in your room and have to entertain yourself. There is NOTHING to do in Chicago. I do believe Transworld is going to hang itself by doing the January show there. If it was snowing in March last year the weather will be shit in January. We had to spend a lot more in Chicago due to canceled flights. Transworld will be lucky if there is a show at all. A blizzard comes in and boom there will be no show at all and there is nothing they will be able to do about it. We met some of the Transworld staff and will press them to think of moving it elsewhere. Apparently we were not the only people with concerns. The ONE good thing about Transworld 2009 is that its only 10 months away. Gotta find the positive in everything.

Motograter
03-19-2008, 09:10 PM
I just got home here from Vegas about an hour ago. Took about 26 hours to drive home. "Vegas to Detroit. Drove straight threw. Man I will never do that again. Next time I'll fly. Going to Vegas from Detroit took us 32 hours. I really had a great time in Vegas but I'm really looking forward to seeing it back in Chicago next year. Only will be a 4 hour drive. I agree with Larry though, its gonna be very cold and watch with our luck be stuck in a big snow storm!

shawnc
03-19-2008, 10:06 PM
sounds fun. I'll sign up for that as soon as it's posted. But Chicago in January? There's a very real possibility that it would snow so bad that I wouldn't even be able to get there. Pass.

tustinhaunt
03-20-2008, 01:38 AM
I have been to Chicago in January... I will never willingly do that again.

Weather problems can be avoided. As far as Vegas goes: sitting in traffic for an hour to move a mile, high price for pretty much everything... thats just business as usual. Its not like the TW people didn't know what they were getting themselves into.

I would blame them for poor planning or just not caring enough to pick someplace different. IF they go back to Chicago, and in January - then they are just being lazy and are going back to the "fallback plan"

Obviously Chicago wasn't working out how they wanted it to, so they moved it to Vegas. Now Vegas... well I wouldn't say it didn't work out - people went there expecting it to be Vegas, but without all the Vegas problems.

If Vegas doesn't work out, MOVE IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Don't be dumb and go back to the old ways.

It is like people cannot deal with change, and when it DOES change, they just complain that the old way was better (even if it wasn't). And to those people... I say shame on you!

"Variety is the spice of life."

drfrightner
03-20-2008, 03:12 AM
Today, I walked the ENTIRE SHOW FLOOR... I actually met the owner of Rubies, heard his take, talked to the guy who is organizing the new show, heard his view, and just walking down one lane I heard a bunch of vendors together saying... 'this is crazy Chicago in January'.

I also talked to Transworld reps today... they said after 2009 they'll move the show to any city the industry wants. Now that is tough getting all these people to agree will be really tough.

I told them flat out you need to go to Orlando. I think they agreed. They also said several other vendors had mentioned Orlando. If you want to do a massive tradeshow like this in the dead of winter the last place you'd pick is Chicago.

I will say this...

Vegas has changed and now I'm not such a big fan of the place for a trade show. No more do they have steak dinners for 5 bucks, or free drinks, or rooms for 40 bucks... it doesn't work like that anymore.

VEGAS IS VERY expensive but at the same time very entertaining for the tradeshow crowds.

See you must remember this ... Vendors want buyers, tradeshow organizers want buyers, so you must make buyers happy. NO BUYER wants to go to Chicago in January...nobody!

If you want to go to a Midwest city in January come to St. Louis... Chicago is sitting on the edge of the Great Lakes and all that wind blows that cold air around and its brutal.

Will Chicago make the buyers happy... NO FREAKIN WAY!

Bottom line is it will be interesting to see what happens but I do KNOW THIS... TRANSWORLD is listening and they want feedback so speak up!

I know they're listening, so here is your chance tell them what you think!

I say Orlando, and once you get it there keep it there!

Larry

Smiley
03-20-2008, 05:43 AM
*cough* Orlando! *cough*

Nightgore
03-20-2008, 08:25 AM
I vote Orlando! -Tyler

MDKing
03-20-2008, 10:07 AM
I agree with you Tony, and Larry. The mexicans and the escort cards and the drive by banner trucks promoting"hot babes" got real old, real fast. I think it's time for Vegas to grow up, and leave that stuff for outside the city and those who are looking for it, can go to them instead of shoving it in our face! The city has too much going for it then to keep up this tactless charade! How can you see the amazing architecture and lavish shows inside and walk outside to see that stuff. Maybe they should move it all down to Fremont Street or something and leave the strip alone. But I will say, the guys from Pale Eye Productions imitating the mexicans outside passing out their info on the show floor was halarious!!

Now, I totally agree also that Texas, New Orleans, St. Louis, and especially Orlando is way better than Chicago in the winter. It's a terrible idea to put a tradeshow in Chicago in the winter! People seem to think that the show needs a haunt tour, but I for one do not go for haunt tours I go for the tradeshow and I'm sure I'm not alone. We did the Vegas thing, did the Chicago thing too many times now, lets move to a warmer climate anywhere from Texas or moving eastward! The Houston Halloween show may effect many vendors going to Chicago....

ORLANDO is the best option, and like Larry said keep it there. Iaapa should stay there too!


Allan

Old Tree Studios
03-20-2008, 10:17 AM
As a former Disney employee and owner of a Florida based company, I'd like to officially add my vote for Florida. Even if we were based in Bangor, however, I'd still vote for Orlando. Convincing staff to take time off work to go to Chicago is a much harder sell than the balmy breezed, palm tree waving allure of Orlando. And of course, as an ex-Disney guy, I must assert that nobody does convention hospitality better than the Mouse.

MDKing
03-20-2008, 10:19 AM
You can say that again!! Disney rules!

Old Tree Studios
03-20-2008, 12:24 PM
Yes it is true. Scientific studies have shown that Disney does, in fact,... rule.

SomeThingInTheIce
03-20-2008, 01:02 PM
Sorry guys, Universal rules!!!!! and thats just my .002 cents.lol.

icandrawem2
03-20-2008, 01:53 PM
I would agree with both of you...i love many things about both disney and universal, but right now im leaning towards universal since im on the brink of landing a job with them hehe.

BackInBlack137
03-20-2008, 09:24 PM
So the first day in Vegas, we saw the signs for TW in Chi-Town 09. We all thought it was crazy! We all sat down and agreed that it should be in Orlando the first day. Its totally crazy that most of you think that too! My vote is for Orlando in 09!

poison
03-20-2008, 09:32 PM
MY 2 CENTS!
Okay im a first time VENDOR and i have to say I HAD A GREAT TIME! The union guys were expencive but not enough to break me. $400 for the teamsters. $400 for air. $186 for electrical. CATALOG ect. ect. ect.! Bottom line EVERYBODY i met was so nice and fun and interesting. I didnt meet one person that i didnt like whether they were costomers or vendors. I sold enough to cover my costs and make a liitle. As far as taxis, food and drinks go, well we stayed with in a half a mile so we walked a few times.
We found a bunch of places that had good food and reasonable prices on drinks.
OVER ALL IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE and i would go back. BUT there is NO WAY im going to CHICAGO in JAN. It sounds like a recipe for disater. I think the show attendance alone will be down vbased on the time of year.

graystone
03-20-2008, 09:48 PM
I enjoyed the vendors and my gang but thats where it started and ended with me. The cigarette smoke killed me, and I was so sick to death of all the Mexicans poking cards in my face of the crab infested anal wart whores for rent out there. Most of the cooks and waiters had a chip on their shoulder. (most not all) it sucks a big inflatable penis for me. Lets move it back where we can be a family again. Hell I did not even get to stalk Larry like I wanted to. But theres other shows out there that I will get him!!!! And now you know the rest of the story!!!!!!! Keep the calls and emails coming Shane with Graystone!!!!

MDKing
03-20-2008, 09:48 PM
Universal is geat, but lets face it there wouldn't be a Universal Studios if not for Disney. Disney is far and away more successful, that's why you never hear them mention Universal in their parks. Go to Universal, and they are constantly taking shots at Disney!!! They'll never match Disney completely but they'll never stop trying I'm sure which is good for us all because all the parks are great!

Allan

MDKing
03-20-2008, 09:50 PM
Shane, I gotta say you have a way with words!!!

Allan

Jordan24
03-20-2008, 10:05 PM
Orlando would be great, but there is one downside. In Orlando you really couldn't have a tour. The only haunt I know of in the Orlando area is 'Skull Kingdom'. I guess it's just really hard for anyone to keep up with Universal's Horror Nights.

Other than the tour issue, I couldn't think of a better place to have it.

MDKing
03-20-2008, 10:08 PM
Maybe the show should come to the east coast for a change....great cities, tons of history, and dozens of great haunts!!!

ihauntu
03-20-2008, 10:40 PM
As for a vender Chicago is expensive as well!
union union union, you have to deal with the union and thats at both locations. both in Vegas and Chicago, and yes Vegas is more on top of the union rules and probably cost venders more money then Chicago.

But Chicago in Jan, or Mar! thats just crazzzy! Both months see very bad weather and there could be lots of cancelled flights. And just to cold of weather.

But I would say this was the best decision Transworld has ever made going to Vegas! and if they go back to Chicago that would be the worst decision they have made.

Vegas was expensive but worth it! and a very very fun!
Theres more to do in Vegas then any other city!

Ratbitw
03-20-2008, 10:43 PM
but Orlando sounds alot better than Chicago in Jan.

HauntedWebby
03-20-2008, 11:09 PM
If you sat in traffic then you must have been on the strip. No one travels the strip that wants to get anywhere. Traffic didn't bother me at all :)

You have to know where to get a taxi if you want one ... and when. We didn't have any problems other then I think one of them was drunk or stoned, it was hard to tell. Plus getting six people into a normal sized taxi was interesting. :p

The only thing I didn't like about the show was they had very noisy people next to people who had to do a lot of talking. Any why did scarefactory have 1/2 of the dark zone. I wanted to see ALL of the blacklight, led light, flashy stuff in there ... not props that you could hardly see.

I was also VERY supprised to see how many children where running around!

Smiley
03-20-2008, 11:24 PM
I was also VERY supprised to see how many children where running around!

Sin City's the new Chucky Cheese?

When did this happen?

HauntedWebby
03-20-2008, 11:28 PM
Sin City's the new Chucky Cheese?

When did this happen?

I don't know. Maybe Tue the door people decided to let everyone in. I saw lots of kids and people without badges.

spookologist
03-21-2008, 12:14 AM
We had a great time, met some great people and saw old friends in Vegas and I would much prefer Vegas in March over Chicago in January but Orlando would be perfect. I think the vendors will have a tough time getting their new products ready to show in mid January.

Now I'm not a function planner but here's my 2 cents:

1- Have in in Orlando but move into February. (after the Super Bowl)

2- Skip the tour and have a few informal haunter get-togethers at the end of the actual show (not during the show) like the "crazy Bob"/'last blast" type of networking sessions. They could be run several ways, either in a pavilion type place or one of the meeting rooms. One big session or several specific topic sessions, not like the current seminars but a more of an interactive, social event. Each day or session could also be a different topic geared towards the actual operations of a haunted event, acting techniques, and maybe make-up and other specialized people of the industry. Or it could be all in one night. I know this is sounding a lot like the current seminars but I think it should be a little different of a format. Maybe more of an audience participation type of thing and having a moderator actually moderating. : )
Question and answer sessions are usually great as well as the "Crazy Bob Social" and this years low profile "Last Blast" done by Rick Hanf. Over the years I have learned so much from these type of meetings. We could socialize, eat, have a few drinks, and learn a lot from the industry leaders as well and newbies. It could be run by Transworld but preferably not. It should also be open to all, not just one association or another. Or maybe the HAA ( Haunters Against Associations). J/K

I believe the vendors should not have to compete with seminars for their customers undivided attention. After-all, it is a trade show.

Any thoughts?

Wayne
www.trailofterror.com

icandrawem2
03-21-2008, 12:25 AM
Orlando would be great, but there is one downside. In Orlando you really couldn't have a tour. The only haunt I know of in the Orlando area is 'Skull Kingdom'. I guess it's just really hard for anyone to keep up with Universal's Horror Nights.

Other than the tour issue, I couldn't think of a better place to have it.

I think skull kingdom closed in 2007 so that rules it out! And theme park haunts are in a league of their own. Plus i felt very cheated with that IAHA tour of Behind the screams of HHN back in November, we only got to see 2 haunts, and it was very rushed...all for a mere price of $85.

Karl Fields
03-21-2008, 12:26 AM
I don't know. Maybe Tue the door people decided to let everyone in. I saw lots of kids and people without badges.

Webby, I think the kids started arriving (in strollers no less) about the same time as the scanners at the entrance stopped scanning. I think it was was Tuesday that I started getting asked if I had been scanned today or not.

Anybody else notice the two goons, with security tags on, standing behind the scanners the entire show? That was pretty wierd.

BTW - why didn't we run into each other?

spookologist
03-21-2008, 12:34 AM
Karl, those guys were real? I thought they were props.

Wayne
www.trailofterror.com

mindtumor
03-21-2008, 07:02 AM
I would much rather deal with the cold of chicago then go to the show in Vegas again. I have been to chicago many times for reasons beyond Transworld and yes I have driven in the ice and snow and I would much rather deal with that then deal with Vegas again. I am pretty sure that people meant there is nothing to do in chicago because it is too cold to go into the city, because there is a ton to do in chicago. There are a ton of awesome museums, restaurants, and shows to take in if you go into the city. Believe me there is a ton to do if you are willing to brave the cold, which doesn't bother me. I always have a blast in Chicago. And besides I thought that most everyone that goes to Chicago spends the whole day at the show and then hangs out at the bar anyway. Plus, I can walk around Chicago with my kids without people trying to hand out nasty flyers everywhere or having my kids see discarded ones on the ground. Not to mention people seemed to walk around Vegas drunk all day long. I am not saying the show must stay in Chicago but I sure hope it never goes back to Vegas. That is just my opinion and I do understand everyone's point about it being to cold to do stuff. Maybe I am just too boring of a person for Vegas.

mindtumor
03-21-2008, 07:04 AM
I don't know. Maybe Tue the door people decided to let everyone in. I saw lots of kids and people without badges.

I brought my kids to Vegas but they didn't go to the show, I thought kids weren't allowed?

bodybagging
03-22-2008, 01:14 PM
Transworld vegas was Bodybag entertainments best event to date, BUT I would Much rather do it elsewhere, VEGAS was WAYYYYYYY OVERPRICED, seems as though the hotels were SCAMS just waiting to happen, the food sucked major butt, we finally found a nice little italian restuarant, that was affordable and had GREAT meatballs,as for the card flickers, I flashed all of them with the FETUSFLINGER chest piece, and they never ever flicked a card at me again..... The Union was a PAIN in the Butt, but thats normal. They Outright LIED on our Skid weight..... saying that we had 1400 lbs worth of product, and overcharged for that.... Hmmm I brought my display and product in a 4x6x2 halfton pickup truck..... the springs never sagged a inch, and yet I had nearly a ton of product......
As for the PCA show in Houston, thats great for us guys trying to get into Retail chains, BUT from what I have been told by the Organizers, it will not be open for the HAUNT INDUSTRY........ So whats a guy to do........

drfrightner
03-24-2008, 04:54 PM
One of the things you can't escape is the cost of doing business. It costs for vendors it costs for buyers to attend tradeshows. It costs for seminars, it costs for hotels, food, travel you name it. There is no end to it at all...

Some vendors choose not to attend, and maybe they're the smart ones. Who knows. Some buyers didn't attend and maybe they are even smarter knowing they can sit here for free and look at the photos, the video and what not for nothing or just request brochures.

Tradeshows use to be the ONLY way to communicate for buyers and vendors and now its not only the ONLY way but not the best way. The internet is slowing replacing everything, but it can't replace that face to face you get from a tradeshow.

I don't think tradeshows are going anywhere but they will also cost you something. How much did you spend, how much did you get back, cost vs. return. Was it worth the money?

Some say yes others say maybe, others don't know and some say no way.

No matter how much you charge, no matter how much you spend I think the above sentence will always ring true so no matter where you go you'll never make anyone or everyone happy.

I'm just happy it wasn't in Chicago!

Larry

Jim Warfield
03-24-2008, 05:11 PM
DARN! Missed another opportunity to heal my hemmoroids by replaCING THEM WITH ANAL WARTS! (Seems like an all-natural method doesn't it?)
Shane on me! , er I mean shame on me!

(CAN you tell I'm excited?)