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graystone
04-21-2008, 07:19 AM
I have made mention to this a few times now and Larry is yet to respond. Maybe because I am not on his top 13 (notice I said "his") Ok I have came across several Haunts that is no longer in business but they remain on HauntWorld. I think you Larry should have a way to clean up the clutter on each state. It would only benifit other haunts thats still in business. Actually I have talked to customers who visited my haunt and said we went to "Acme Haunt" (example) drove 3 hours and they are not in business anymore. I have emailed several who have told me they are no longer in business but their Haunts are still listed. I noticed one the other day that said Fright Factory 06 and they are not a working haunt anymore. Clean up the haunts that way everyone who is still in business can gain some new customers that will come to them. Also this will help the customers who come here to decide where they will be going instead going to one waste their high dollar gas only to find no one is there. This will help in the Owner-Customer working relationship both will know. There is just no need to 3 pages of haunts when there is only really 2 there has got to be a way. I think all Haunts will agree with me in my thinking here. Shane Graystone Manor

MMManiac
04-21-2008, 08:29 AM
I know on sites like haunted Wisconsin they wipe their slates clean each year and the haunts have to re-post their information to be posted. Maybe Hauntword should do the same if its getting to beocme a problem.

GraveStalker
04-21-2008, 09:43 AM
I know on sites like haunted Wisconsin they wipe their slates clean each year and the haunts have to re-post their information to be posted. Maybe Hauntword should do the same if its getting to beocme a problem.

I think it is a problem for my state's listings and agree that purging would be a good policy as long as they don't wipe it clean in the fall (or just prior to the season).

WeAreTheUnion
04-21-2008, 09:48 AM
Michigan is WAY off as well.
There are quite a few haunts I've been to several seasons in a row that just plain aren't on the listing, and dozens of haunts that I know have been closed down for at least one season, if not more (The Field Where Robert Moss Played and Urban Legends come to mind).

graystone
04-21-2008, 10:17 AM
My thinking is right on the money! I dont wont to come off in a bad way but it would just be better to have these haunts updated. Larry send out some emails and tell them if they do dont respond within a time frame they are going to be removed. This will ensure up to date listings. And all the old haunts who are out of business will not clutter up each state. Thanks for the imput guys! Anyone else see where I am coming from on this. Its money in everyones pocket! Not to compete aginst a non working haunt! Shane Graystone Manor.

Jim Warfield
04-21-2008, 10:40 AM
Someday somebody will have to be spray painting all those rest room walls when my place is no more.
Advertising that gets the customer's attention when they are partly naked always works!
Of course the bad side is the few that store these messages subliminally and show up at my front door half naked.
"Back door, Dumby!"

JamBam
04-21-2008, 12:13 PM
I glanced over the Indiana listings and found several things that need attention. The banner for the jail on the secondary page probably needs to be taken off as they appear to have dropped their main page ad. Several haunts are listed twice. And one from another state, but not sure if that is supposed to be there. If it is ok, then since we are close to Ohio and Michigan I will post to them to help us.

Remember, this industry is always on flux, and it is a tough job to maintain a list like this.

graystone
04-21-2008, 01:12 PM
I have noticed too that some listings are repeats its like one person put up the listing then another different person added a listing of the same haunt! Shane Graystone Manor

SomeThingInTheIce
04-21-2008, 01:43 PM
This was already talked about, larry posted something about making it so inacttive acct. delate themselfs after so long. I do not know this was done when they changed HauntWorld or not. I took mine down when I was not going to open this year because it would do me more harm then good.

Jolly Pumpkin
04-21-2008, 02:00 PM
So Larry should email all the haunts that are out of business. Is that what you're saying Shane? Lets see how much time that would take. Lets say it takes 10 minutes per state looking for haunts that are out of business depending on how many haunts are on the page/pages. Ok that's 500 minutes right there (50 x 10). Then let's say there are an average of 5 out of business haunts per page and it takes around 5 minutes emailing each haunt (5 x 50 x 5). That's 1,250 minutes. Currently Larry needs to spend 1,750 minutes to be able to personally address every single haunt that is out of business and this doesn't include responding to 250 different haunts that need their listing deleted. Wait I forget, the out of business haunts need to be deleted. Lets say on average it takes 2 minutes to delete each lising (2 x250). That's an additional 500 minutes. Now we're up 2,250 minutes which equals 37.5 hours of work just to delete out of business haunts and then you have to maintain the website on top of that and work on your haunts, HHA, Haunted House Online, Halloween Productions, Hauntworld Magazine and everything else in your life. Boy by the time Larry is done getting rid of those haunts He'll be in the hospital. I think there needs to be a better way than emailing all the out of business haunts unless Larry wants to live on the computer.

graystone
04-21-2008, 03:05 PM
Whoo you must be Larrys personal Body Guard dang you sure defended him quick!I am sure as much as you are taking up for him maybe Larry will let you do it for him . Also if I am correct I seen and talked to 2 beautiful ladies at TransWorld that work for him maybe they can do it. I mean Larry is in your opinion the busiest person here. That suggeston can be done by bulk emails. Have you ever heard of a bulk email. Spammers do it all the time send out 1 million emails in less than a few seconds. Larry this is only a suggestion and nothing personal but I am sure and can see by the post already that others think it would be good! Let me ask you is there anything I can do to help you with in cleaning it up. It appears other sights do it maybe you could ask them how they clean the old out of business haunts up. Trust me Jolly I have many many locations in the South with my company but I am never to busy to help my customers and keep them happy. If I cant do it personally thats what I pay my employees to do. Larry if it helps I can loan you some of my employees I am serious I think this needs to be addressed and I dont mind paying some of my employees to help. This way you can work on all the other things Jolly mentioned for you. Again this is nothing personal just in my opinion Jolly thinks your to busy with everything else thats more important and this dont seem a worth while effort to take on. Any way I can help ? Let me know. Also 37.5 hours is not even a full work week. Lets see there is 52 weeks in a year that leaves 51 weeks for Larry to work on other things. Dont get mad Jolly or take it personal I am making a point just like you did no offence. Shane Graystone Manor

Haunted Illinois
04-21-2008, 03:40 PM
So Larry should email all the haunts that are out of business. Is that what you're saying Shane? Lets see how much time that would take. Lets say it takes 10 minutes per state looking for haunts that are out of business depending on how many haunts are on the page/pages. Ok that's 500 minutes right there (50 x 10). Then let's say there are an average of 5 out of business haunts per page and it takes around 5 minutes emailing each haunt (5 x 50 x 5). That's 1,250 minutes. Currently Larry needs to spend 1,750 minutes to be able to personally address every single haunt that is out of business and this doesn't include responding to 250 different haunts that need their listing deleted. Wait I forget, the out of business haunts need to be deleted. Lets say on average it takes 2 minutes to delete each lising (2 x250). That's an additional 500 minutes. Now we're up 2,250 minutes which equals 37.5 hours of work just to delete out of business haunts and then you have to maintain the website on top of that and work on your haunts, HHA, Haunted House Online, Halloween Productions, Hauntworld Magazine and everything else in your life. Boy by the time Larry is done getting rid of those haunts He'll be in the hospital. I think there needs to be a better way than emailing all the out of business haunts unless Larry wants to live on the computer.

First of all, all of the emails are in a database, so it would be an easy task to handle through a bulk email program.

There is an easy solution to cleaning up the listings... do what HauntedWisconsin.com, ScaryOhio.com and HauntedIllinois.com do... Delete the event database and start from scratch each season. That way the information in the Event Directory is guaranteed to be current.

drfrightner
04-21-2008, 03:50 PM
If ANYONE knows of a listing that is GONE out of business email me and let me know...I'd be happy to delete that account.

I can't delete the accounts because with our system people can delete them themselves, so they should be responsible and do this.

You can also log in and update the account yourself.

I did delete John Dolans account the other day because I know he's not coming back. I have in the past deleted other accounts I know to be gone.

But if someone runs across some let me know.

Larry

drfrightner
04-21-2008, 03:57 PM
Let me make another comment now that I went through and read the whole thread start to finish...

I WILL NOT just random delete accounts...no way.

EVERY account holder has the option to go in and delete their account just like that.

Let me also so the power of this website to drive traffic to your haunt business is for real... I get emails from people who use to own attraction and they would tell me stories about how they get people coming every weekend but they have no idea where they are coming from then realize its an old listing on our site, and want me to remove it.

I tell them to remove it!

I've had people tell me people destroyed their property because they got mad the attraction was no longer in business...hey if you go to a site like this one and list your attraction, you're responsible to also remove it when you go out of business.

You have the options to update, change or anything else you'd like all by logging in and doing it!

I spent THOUSANDS to make this system, this is the best system in the WORLD, and I spent the money to do it right so I wouldn't have to babysit people. Its just not my responsibility.

If people want to update their listings they'll get more business from our sites, again their responsibility. I offer the tools for FREE to create awesome pages, promote your business and or delete your accounts. What more can I do????

You tell me?

Now on the other hand if someone can show me user ID's or links to accounts you're 110% positive are gone, out of business, I will be happy to delete them. POST THE LINKS here... I will remove them.

BE SURE you're right!

Larry

graystone
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Well, as I see it when people go out of business they just cancel their websights if they have one. Why because they are paying for it every month or year. On the other hand when its free like it is here why do they care if they are still on or off. I mean they have already closed their doors and dont care if its still on or not. Most people go out of business feeling let down and pissed at the world so they dont care that people come here read about a haunt thats not in business only to have them drive for a hour or two to see a empty parking lot. Its not about baby sitting its about taking the steps to keep the haunts that are in business happy. Me myself I pay for listings and with that I might not wont to pay in the future if I am going to be cluttered up on a sight that has many out of business haunts. Its not about baby sitting its about talkin care of the concerns of thoes who do pay. And with all the thousands you have payed for this sight Larry why not spend a little more and offer a way to do like the other sights like its been suggested. It may be your sight and your this and that but someday there may be something more up to date that might make you want to babysit your pride and joy. Just as I see it. Bottom like its messy, cluttered not to mention misinforms people to read bad data. Why not take the extra step to clean off the out of business haunts and focus on the ones who are in business that way no one looses to people who pay 100 bucks in gas to visit a empty parking lot! It should be what everyone wants. Shane Graystone Manor

bodybagging
04-21-2008, 04:42 PM
Believe it or not, I agree with shane on this one, Personally I would be PISSED off if I were a Customer and just spent $4.49 a gallon to drive to a haunt that is out of business, Also as a Hauntowner I agree that a Hauntfinder shouldnt be cluttered with outdated sites. This doesnt mean I want to take warm showers in the wee hours of the morning with shane, just tossing in my two cents!

tkaska
04-21-2008, 04:51 PM
Is there some way for the HW site to do an audit to measure the activity of a posted haunt's account? I mean, if a haunt hasn't added anything in the last couple of years or so, then the system could be set to delete. It can also be set to delete duplicated entries. Some settings can spot check for inaccuracies; it can be done, but it does take work to set it up to run automatically with minimal human supervision. I do this sort of thing all day long at my non-haunt job....but it is a good idea. I would be totally hacked if I spent gas money on a place that's out of business.

graystone
04-21-2008, 05:07 PM
Shoot whats one warm shower heck its like a haunted house its the experiance were after LMAO! I am glad to see people are seeing it as I do. We should not expect any less!! I know most here think damn Shane sure bitches alot but go and look I truly love this business and the people in it! Were not always gonna agree but at the end of the day we are still a family! And I am very protective of my family! Larry please do something this needs to be addressed for everyones sake including yours! We should not be lost in the clutter of out of business haunts. Shane Graystone Manor

Haunted Illinois
04-21-2008, 06:32 PM
There is a HUGE flaw in the logic of expecting haunt owners to remove their listing when they go out of business. When an attraction goes under, I’m sure removing their Hauntworld listing is the last thing on their mind and I’m sure the lowest thing on their priority list. I'm sure by that point, they've already forgotten or lost their account info, anyway.

Haunted Attractions post their information on multiple websites and the last thing they are going to do is spend time searching the web to make sure they aren’t listed anywhere. After all, they’re out of business, so what do they care if their listing remains there?

I have an idea. How about this? You could do like I do and record a “last updated” date for every event on the list. It wouldn’t be that hard to create a program that you run every year that sends out an email to people, reminding them to update their information if they are still open and if they don't, their listing will be deleted. The email could even include their account information and a hyperlink of where to login, to make it ultra-easy for them. Then, you could run a script shortly before the season starts, that deletes listings that haven’t been updated for more than “X” months.

I think that would be much better than having old, inaccurate information listed. That's why I erase my directory every year... so people know the info is current and can be trusted. If people think the information on your site is inaccurate, they are likely to use some other directory. It’s as simple as that. Just my two cents...

Headstone Media
04-21-2008, 07:35 PM
If the data was dumped every year, some haunts may not have the time to renew their information.

If the emails are in a database, this is a much easier solution to do a bulk email letting haunts know if they don't reply by x date, they will get scrubbed.

Even easier yet would be do design something in the system where they can do a simple one click re-activation every year. Then an email is sent out and the haunt can just follow a link to reactivate for the following year. If it doesn't get clicked, it gets removed.

Of course my programmer always freaks when I come up with a "simple" solution, so maybe it's more involved than all that.

Haunted Illinois
04-21-2008, 08:11 PM
If the data was dumped every year, some haunts may not have the time to renew their information.

Not if you do it early enough in the year and send out multiple emails, reminding them to resubmit their information. I usually reset my database before the may-june timeframe and send out emails to Haunts that had previously listed on a monthly or bimonthly basis, to remind them they are no longer listed. I have had great success with events resubmitting their event info with regimented email reminders. The truth be told, I never “dump” the data. I just rename the database table every season, so I can retain a running email distribution list, as well as keep all submitted info for future reference.


If the emails are in a database, this is a much easier solution to do a bulk email letting haunts know if they don't reply by x date, they will get scrubbed.

My thoughts exactly.


Even easier yet would be do design something in the system where they can do a simple one click re-activation every year. Then an email is sent out and the haunt can just follow a link to reactivate for the following year. If it doesn't get clicked, it gets removed.

Something like that wouldn’t be too difficult to implement; however, due to the amount / nature of the data in the listings, this once again promotes retaining “bad data”. Time sensitive information is stored in the Hauntworld event listings like dates/times of operation, address, special events, contact information, etc. These things change from year-to-year and if you have a simple email click that just reactivates their listing, Haunts won’t have the incentive to go in and actually change their information to reflect the current season. There’s nothing worse than going to a Haunt listing on the web, comparing their dates of operation to the current year’s calendar and thinking “this event is open every week in October from Tuesday through Thursday?!?!?” That would obviously be an outdated listing. LOL.

If data integrity of your Haunted Attraction Database is your primary concern, you must simply reset your database and start over for the next season. Any other course of action promotes the retention of “bad data”. You just can't count on Haunt owners making the time to update their information if they are given "the easy way out". They are far too busy working on their haunts for that. You need to get their attention with an email stating their listing has already been removed and they need to re-submit. That will get their attention and gives them the proper incentive to provide current information. It has worked very well for me ever since I created HauntedIllinois.com in 1999 and based on the positive feedback I have received, visitors of my site have been very pleased with the results.

Just my two cents. Wait, I think that makes four cents I've donated to this thread. LOL.

JamBam
04-21-2008, 09:10 PM
Hey,

Each year, we try to update our listings and this past year I finally made a file with all the listing sites, email we used, login names, passwords, etc.

We submitted to 42 different sites from haunt sites to tourism sites last year. It is my own pet peave when I have come across my own listing before this past season and realize that the listing is OLD. Even one year out is OLD.

The dates, special events, event info all change in some way and customers do get very upset if they have driven even 20 minutes to a wrong night or event. Or show up after we have closed. They have told me of other events that had vanished as well.

The Hauntworld listings are the best for all the reasons we know. The free listing options are not matched anywhere. The quality of the database should match it in my opinion. The database can turn off all events not having a paid listing 30 days after the paid deadline. The current paid events and those that are updated within a four week time period would start off the listing season. Let the event info stay there, just turn it off until it is updated. That would make the re-submitting process be as smooth as possible.

A simple email sent with login help and a reminder or two should be sufficient. The main reason is that the most old events have outdated and non-existant contact info. I have tried to contact events in our co-operative marketing area that popped up after our deadline to invite them to join the co-operative and sometimes the next year they are gone already.

Any event that is new will setup an account and any existing event will understand that they were suspended until it was updated. Personally, I wish the sites I have found my old info on would have done that to keep me from being embarrassed and misinforming my customers.

It would be nice to expect the out of business events to turn off or delete their listings, but it is my opinion that the current events should have the responsibility to update the listings instead. Just as the advertising and websites are updated yearly. We have already started the 2008 update process for the year starting with Hauntworld.com.

graystone
04-21-2008, 09:12 PM
All good suggestions. Bottom line its not that hard to do. It would benefit us all here. I mean its crazy not to want the old out of business haunts off! Remember its about focusing on the haunts thats still here busting our asses and paying for these ads and banners only to get lost in the junk. Larry I am sorry but this should be something you would want to do. Keep us paying cry baby fools happy. Kinda" baby sit" us if you will. I mean after all Larry the haunts thats out of business sure as heck is not going to give you any of their money remember they are OUT OF BUSINESS AND SHOULD BE OUT OF THE LISTINGS!!! Shane Graystone Manor

Haunted Illinois
04-21-2008, 09:56 PM
I have thought about this for quite some time and I have come up with a couple of reasons why a haunt directory would not want to reset their listings every year...

1) The workload. Obviously managing a national directory of haunts would require a HUGE effort. Any attempt to determine which Haunts listed are still operational would be a potentially insurmountable task (unless the directory resets the database every year, which is pretty easy).

2) Search engine ranking. If you do as I do and reset the haunt directory every season, there is a period of time when your directory is nearly empty, which adversely affects the ranking of your website based on certain key words (since the name of haunts in your directory & descriptions, etc are absent).

I can understand why a site like this would not want to reset the database, as there would be a potential decrease in search engine ranking, based on content. I understand why it is done this way, but don’t agree with it. It makes sense from a business standpoint, but the general public is, as a result, subjected to out-of-date & invalid data.

Personally, I would rather take the “hit” in search engine ranking and know that I was providing valid data on my website, but that’s just me. I just run a “hobby website” and it’s not a business.

I guess that’s six cents in this thread, now.

drfrightner
04-21-2008, 10:22 PM
Adam,

Your idea is a good one, however I already thought of that one. I wanted to add that to the system a long time ago so any listing that hadn't been modified in 18 months would be pruned. For some reason or another my programmers said that couldn't be done and I don't remember why.

I will bring that one up again, but it couldn't be done from what they said.

I will press that issue again, because if I could search the back end for all attractions that haven't been updated in xxx amount of months I could mass email them and tell them update your profile or else we'll delete you.

I would do that one trust me.

I might also ask my programers to figure out a way to spider the website and look for dead links ... in other words if we find a profile that doesn't link to its website we might then could remove them.

The best way for now is simple tell us ...

DO YOU KNOW OF A DEAD haunt??? If so tell us who what when and how and we'll remove them. Police your own state you live there you know.

Let us know.

Larry

drfrightner
04-21-2008, 10:26 PM
Adam,

To respond to your second thread...

You are very correct but the reality is its a lot of work to even set up the account in the first place, once you have it set up you don't want to set it up again. Most accounts even if they're old or haven't been updated have a link to their website.

Our system offers the best way for our guests to learn info about your business... haunters should update their profiles it doesn't take long at all.

So get it done!!!!

As for search engines and what not, our main state pages are the ones most indexed so eliminating haunts off those pages wouldn't really effect much. However it would take a long time to scan through pages and find haunts with bad info, and maybe we will do just that.

In the meantime can people just post links to attractions that are no good???

Larry

Infoamtek
04-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Hey Larry,

I've got an idea for you. Let Shane go through all the haunts and check to see which ones are still active. Since he seems to have all this FREE time, I'm certain he would volunteer his services. After all, those who point out others problems should also be a part of the solution. Otherwise they're just nosy busybodies. :)

graystone
04-21-2008, 11:24 PM
Here is some in Alabama that I know is not in business anymore
UPC Fright Factory ( nice guys hate so see them gone) there is 2 listings for them.
Haunted Plantation ( right down the road from me closed down by fire marshal no sprinkler system) also has 2 listings
Tunnels of Terror ( called today and was told was last year only no decision has been made for this year) so if they do decied they can relist.
Kill In ( no such haunted house)
Tortured Souls Haunted House (websight has been removed)
Chamber of Chills (websight also removed)
Good Springs Haunted House ( also no sprinkler system) Alabama cracked down last year and is continuing this year.
OTS Haunted House
The Haunted Forest Jacksonville ( called disconncted number)
Trick or Treat in Oranjestad
Cells of Terror Athens
Larry these are the ones that I know of for sure and have either called or talked through email. If there is more I will add there is several here in Alabama alone just think of the other states!!!!!! So this should start to clean Alabama up.

Jim Warfield
04-22-2008, 12:26 AM
I think you have really hit upon a situation ripe with volunteers to do your bidding. The opportunity to get your neighbor's haunted house unlisted!
("Oh, you aren't closed?" Sorry. You only missed a couple of weeks in October's patrons, no big deal, right?")
Let the evil begin!

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 12:27 AM
Shane,

I think I got all the ones you talked about and I even checked some and you're right... I also got rid of that one called Graystone Manor right that one you said went out of business or something right??? LOL

Anyway... I also got rid of closed haunts in GA, MO, and I looked around through IL.

Maybe someone like Mr Haunted Illinois can inform me of closed haunts I would gladly remove them.

ANYONE ELSE... I've been deleted haunts all night!

Larry

BackInBlack137
04-22-2008, 01:41 AM
Larry, I look through some of the PA attractions. Some ones in question are Atmos-Fear in Alquipa(no website), Frightworld in Buffalo, PA(No longer in PA, moved to NY), Blood Shead in Pittsburgh(no sure it even existed), Valley of the Gouls in Erie, The West Deer Haunted Attraction in Pittsburgh, Terror Hill Haunted Waterpark in Breinigsville, PA(website only has pictures of used ski equipment), and Morgan Grisly's Magnificent Museum of Morbid Monstrosities in Philly, PA. I also found a typo at the top of the page before the paid banners. It says "*blank state* search results brought to you buy" then it has the banners. Shouldn't it say by, not buy? If I am wrong, I apologize in advance.

graystone
04-22-2008, 07:06 AM
I am glad to see that you certanley made an ass of yourself here with your smartass remark InFoamTek . And for your info if you go back and look I offered to help Larry. I have free time because unlike...well I wont call a name I have a successful company I worked my ass off and built it from the ground up. So now your right I sit back and reap the rewards while I let my employees run what I built from the ground up. So yup free time is something I am used to. Hell thats why I came here I been in the Haunt Business for 20 years but only started coming here in Febuary. And everyone knows why I started coming here. Go look at my thread its had over 6000 hits its under Vendor Issues. Maybe I can start one on InFoamTech and you too will have plenty of time!!! Do you really want to go there? Also I might add your a vendor and I am sure all of us haunt owners are looking out for each other better be careful or your parking lot will also be empty because you pissed off the working haunt owners who is still in business think about it InFoamTek.
Now back to what were here for. Were here to clean up the old out of business haunts this helps the customer and the haunt owner it keeps the customer from driving miles to an empty parking lot while ensuring the customer goes to a haunt thats still up and running thus saving the customer burnt gas money and time. Again what does this mean? It means they will come to a haunt thats up and running and will drive up the attendance of these who are still in business and busting their ass every night. Larry this is just another example of our haunt family working together as one. We have started to help you get the sight which you have worked so hard for to get cleaned up and updated . Thanks guys keep them coming when Larry returns from his nap he can start deleting again LOL. Larry did you ever think Graystone Manor or myself could have such an impact on you LMAO. Shane Graystone Manor
************UPDATE FOR LARRY! A COUPLE MORE HAUNTS IN BAMA TO ADD TO OUT OF BUSINESS***************
****Tharptown Haunted Barn In Russelleville
****Haunted Forrest In Jacksonville ( websight seems to be inactive)
All it takes is each of us checking our states and doing as me email or try to call these people and Larry can delete them. This is our haunt family working together to help each other.

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 09:31 AM
Nevada is now cleaned up. Any more states?

I don't mind taking off haunts that are no longer open if someone can point them to me. Thanks Larry

JamBam
04-22-2008, 09:42 AM
Larry, I have been working on Indiana for several hours. Have calls and email in to several that are questionable. Will post what I have soon.

As a side benfit, I am compiling my own list of info. I am gleaning info from it and also have found several more listing sites. One that had us listed and a couple others we are not on, all that we did not submit, but will for 2008.

p.s. Sure hope your programmer can do some majic in the suspension area that I mentioned earlier for the future though.

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 09:50 AM
Alabama updated again.

PA updated.

Anyone else???

Larry

Jim Warfield
04-22-2008, 09:50 AM
Cleaning out the deadwood is good, but I think over the years I have met and heard of some haunts that allow their websites to go dormant in the rest of the year yet still will return in the fall. If it is only the website activity that gets someone booted this might not be as accurate either?

graystone
04-22-2008, 10:12 AM
Myself I have emailed or phoned so I know Alabama is accurate. Looks like Brett and some others is doing the same thing. Looks like this is one time were all working together for a better cause! So come on guys there is many states out there that needs to be cleaned up so your working haunt will be easy to spot and Larry is helping us out on this one on his end so let him know. He dont know unless you tell him. Thanks Larry and everyone else helping out! Shane Graystone Manor

Jim Warfield
04-22-2008, 10:24 AM
"Dead Meat" on the haunt listings may have been such a common problem with some lists that it has inspired some potential customers to always phone ahead ?
Anybody can also just goof around and make phoney web sites for chitts and gigglez ("NO! Really, JIM?")
We maintain my web site, update it, maintain a current phone message on my answering machine and still some people leave a message almost insisting that I make a return call to verify my existence and availability here.
Maybe the price of getting there will inspire even more double checking via phone this season? Keep those phone lines up and running too!

JamBam
04-22-2008, 12:35 PM
Ok Larry,
Here are the easy ones.

THE HAUNTED TRAIN in bloomington is listed THREE times. They were open in 2007 and site looks like a itmap ad thing but it appears they will be open in 2008.

Screamers Haunted House in Indianapolis is listed TWICE and appears current.


THE COFFINS HAUNTED HOUSE in seymour CLOSED after 2006 and did not open in 2007. Is also listed TWICE as well.

Fright Night Haunted House in Indianapolis CLOSED after 2006 and did not open in 2007. Also listed TWICE.


There are six or seven more that either there website doesn't come up at all, their dates are also a cople of years old, and I have emails and call in to contacts I found here or in a domain whois listing. When I hear back on those I will post them.

JamBam
04-22-2008, 01:00 PM
The Haunted Seminary in Plymouth has 4 W's in their link to their website so it comes up as nonexisting verizon search page. Take one W out and it goes to the right site. They probably would appreciate losing that W so they can get found!!

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 02:28 PM
Indiana ALL FIXED...

Waiting for more direction!

Larry

graystone
04-22-2008, 04:16 PM
Things are getting worked on and off!!! Come on Guys step up to the plate if your state is not mentioned and find out who stays and who goes! Larrys up off his ass and doing some spring cleaning! Ok heres more for Alabama Larry
Falkville Fire and Rescue Haunted House ( called me back said 2006 was their last year they had their haunt and was no longer doing one)
Maze of Terror 2007 in Titus ( Keep the Maze of Terror in Titus they have 3 listings and asked to take the 2007 off and the other maze of titus listing in other words just leave 1 if you dont understand let me know Larry)

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Done.

Larry

GraveStalker
04-22-2008, 07:00 PM
These are the ones I know don't exist:

Haunted Trail in C
Nightmare on Pleasant Street

Double Listings:

Double Graveside Manor
Double Haunted Tunnel in Coventry

Thanks!

drfrightner
04-22-2008, 10:13 PM
CT DONE...

Any other states? Let me know!

Larry

Haunted Illinois
04-22-2008, 11:46 PM
Sorry to say, but after all this grand effort, there will still be out-of-date info in the directory. Unless the functionality of this directory changes to erase old content every year, your efforts will be fruitless. Out-of-date info will continue to exist and you will have to repeat this exercise every year.

Why not just reset the directory, so you can be sure the information listed is valid?. .

drfrightner
04-23-2008, 02:21 AM
Adam,

I can not do that. However I am going to have someone go through page by page link by link and delete anything that doesn't have an active website.

It takes a lot of work to create a profile, and do all that work, so I do not want to delete something just because a few here and there are no longer around. Again you personally follow haunts in your state, can you give me a list of ones you know are no longer around?

I can clean up your state quickly!

Larry

Greg Chrise
04-23-2008, 02:40 AM
Screams in Waxahachie is on there twice
Tyler Jaycees is on there twice.

I know of some I will get to list theirs.

Jim Warfield
04-23-2008, 03:52 AM
Could a double listing mean that house is twice as good? Sure.
Sort of like a machine gun like stutter makes someone a much more effective speaker.
Today an old man told me life is like toilet paper, the more that passes by, the faster it goes...and then we get mess on our old, palsied hands!

JamBam
04-23-2008, 06:06 AM
Larry,
Could your programmer set up the list to make a listing inactive and not show up?? You could make all inactive on the date you set for the paid listings and banners.
Then the reminder emails would prompt everyone to go to the site and reactivate/update their listing. They could then be prompted to uncheck the box that would activate the listing again. Kind of like the box to check if someone doesn't have a website url.

The check box could also allow a listing to deactivate themselves as well.

graystone
04-23-2008, 07:06 AM
Good Suggestions surly theres something that can be done there are some good suggestions here I am sure Larry will check into them. Again there are many states still out of date and it takes someone in your state to step up to the plate and help Larry remember this will only benefit you in your state if the old haunts are clered off. Larry thanks for working on this with us!!!! Shane Graystone Manor!!!!!

graystone
04-23-2008, 09:10 AM
Update heard from a couple of more.
Deatsville Trail of Terror ( gone)
The Terror House ( no contact, no directions, no active sight, no info at all)
There is 3 left I have not heard from and Alabama will be all cleaned up thanks Larry everyone who has helped and again Larry will help if someone steps up and works on their state.

Haunted Illinois
04-23-2008, 10:39 AM
Larry,

First of all, let me get this out of the way. I don't agree with one of the Illinois Featured Banners you have. In the Illinois section directly underneath a header that clearly states "Haunted Houses And Halloween Attractions in Illinois" is a Featured Banner for "The Burial Chamber" in Neenah Wisconsin. Yes, it is a bordering state and if this event were located closer to the Illinois border (like your St. Louis events), I wouldn't complain, but The Burial Chamber is not only in another state, but it is 152 miles North of the Illinois border(~3 hour drive). Your normal average haunt-goer isn't going to drive that far to see an event, especially when it is in another state. Isn't it a stretch allowing them to have a banner in the Illinois section of the directory, when they are so far away from the border??? I know it is your website and you can run it how you want to, but allowing haunts to buy featured banners from other states they aren't even in just takes away from the advertising options of good Illinois attractions. Besides, it is confusing to visitors of your site who see the header and assume all the events are located in Illinois, when they are, in fact, not.

:: steps down off my soap box ::

Anyway, on with the HauntWorld directory feedback.

When you arrive in the Illinois section of the directory and click on the "Find more haunts in illinois - Click Here" button at the bottom of the page, the next page you arrive at still has a "Creatures Crypt" banner in the featured section. Also in that featured haunt grouping is a Reapers Realm banner. They will still be in business this year, but I wanted to point out that it has "2007" on their banner.

I also found a lot of duplicates in the directory and other event listings that need attention.

Same event listed two times:
Sweet Dreams in Alsip
Sweet Dreams Haunted House in Alsip

Same event listed four times:
Ashmore Estates in Ashmore
Ashmore Estates in Ashmore
The Graveyard Shift in Ashmore
Undertakers Laboratories in Ashmore >>> their most recent listing (2007)

Same event listed two times:
Annie's Frightmare in Barrington
Annie's Frightmare in Barrington

Same event listed two times:
Trails of Terror 2007 in Chicago
Trails of Terror 2007 in Chicago

Same event listed two times:
Elgin Turners Haunted Hall in Elgin
Elgin Turners Haunted Hall in Elgin

Same event listed two times:
Nightmare on Fairgrounds Road in Princeton
Nightmare on Fairgrounds Road in Princeton

Same event listed three times:
Fear Factory in Rantoul
Fear Factory Haunted House in Rantoul
Fear Factory Haunted House in Rantoul

Same event listed two times:
Trail of Terror in Streamwood
Trail of Terror in Streamwood

Same event listed two times:
Eleventh Hour in Elk Grove Village <<< Most recent listing (2007)
Eleventh Hour in Elmhurst


Frightmare 2007: A Visit to Camp Frightmare in Burbank <<< This event will be open in 2008, but there is 2007 in the title

Fear Fair 2007 in Lincoln <<< This event will be open in 2008, but there is 2007 in the title

Trail of Screams in Rockford <<< Please delete. 2007 was their last year in operation at that location.

Trail of Screams...The Second Coming in Stillman Valley <<< DO NOT DELETE. Although it has a similar name to the haunt above, they are still in business

I hope this helps, but please consider this. If the HauntWorld directory doesn't undergo a large functionality makeover, we're all going to have to continue this "scrubbing" activity every single year. And doing this doesn't guarantee that the information is current. It will always be at least one year old, if haunt owners don't update their info.

shawnc
04-23-2008, 10:49 AM
The haunt owners have to take an active role in updating their info. While I don't like the idea of just dumping everyone right after Halloween and making them start over, they need to be responsible for keeping their info on all sites current. It is a free listing, after all, so how can anyone complain about being made to stay current? I have done a lot of website work and there are limits on what you can do. I think a lot of people watch too many high tech movies.

beardedbil
04-23-2008, 11:03 AM
Haunts to be removed from NEW YORK:

The Haunted Castle in Chester - States on their website they will not be having a haunted house any longer.

Terror Field presents: The Inferno's Gate in Seneca Falls - Website is no longer functional.

Haunted Seance in Halfmoon - Website no longer functional.

Norfolk Haunted Manor in Norfolk - Website no longer functional, dates are from 2006.

Terror Mansion in Massena - Website no longer functional.

Chiller on Schiller in Buffalo - Website gone.

The Haunted Woods in Holtsville - Website gone.

Yaphank's Tales of the Haunted Forest in Yaphank - Website gone, and is a double post.

Seneca Falls Haunted House in Seneca Falls - Website says they are closed for good.

Halloween Magic & Mayhem in New Windsor - Was a one night event in 2005, no longer updated.

Halloween Magic & Mayhem in South Fallsburg - Was a one night event in 2005, no longer updated.

Blood Creek Manor in Sandy Creek - Website gone and expired.

Andrea's Haunted House in West Islip - Website gone.

Bronx House of Screaming Terror in Bronx, New York - Website has nothing to do with a haunted house.


Things to be Fixed in NEW YORK:
Yaphank's Tales of the Haunted Forest - Link does not work correctly.

Nightmare Manor in Spencerport - Link does not work correctly.

Haunted Farm & Maze in Medina and www.medinastonefarm.com (http://www.medinastonefarm.com) in Medina are the same event, its posted twice under two different headlines.

North Babylon Fire Department in North Babylon - Link does not work correctly.

House of Dracula in Mt Vernon and House of Dracula in Mount Vernon - are the same event and is double posted under two different headlines, also link needs to be fixed.

Hope this helps a little bit.
-Bill

drfrightner
04-23-2008, 12:36 PM
OKay I think I fixed everything in New York and Illinois.

Any other states?

Larry

SSP
04-23-2008, 04:42 PM
This is an incredibly tough subject. The problem with this industry is that haunts appear and disappear at a rapid pace, so the constant manual checking would be cumbersome every year. Plus, the listing being a free service has it's downsides as well, obviously not for anyone on it but for Mr. Kirchner. This goes for any service or product - if it is given for free, interest and responsibility disappears the second it is no longer needed. Sure haunt owners should take responsibility and delete listings (as I had to do for a CT haunt, since I was still receiving e-mails from customers even after updating the website to clearly state it no longer existed) but we should understand this, some (or most) of the haunts that end ended for a reason, whether it be a lack of success or a lack of seriousness taken in the business itself. I've seen some listings representing yard haunts that never even existed in the first place, so if the guy doesn't even feel like actually assembling the attraction he listed there is no way he is going to take responsibility and fix this mess.

Such is this industry, any crazy drunk can sit around and think "Lets scare some little bastards", but us, the proud and the few, take it seriously enough to make a legitimate business venture out of the situation while still being able to sit back and say "Lets scare some little bastards".

I'm sure there's a simple (but hard to discover) solution to this, and Larry I commend you for putting up with this and working it out.

graystone
04-23-2008, 05:24 PM
I cant stress this enough!!!!! If you want to make sure you dont get lost in the haunts thats no longer in business you got to tell Larry and help him out. This will only ensure you get extra business and your haunts will recieve the best exposure. What had you rather have 50 haunts listed and only 15 actually still in business? or have 20 haunts listed and all up and running? Come on there are many states lets work with Larry on this one and get your state cleaned up to the most up to date and active haunts out there! Shane Graystone Manor

shawnc
04-23-2008, 06:10 PM
I have begun going through the California list and will let you know what I find. After that, I can work my way east.

Haunted Illinois
04-23-2008, 07:30 PM
This whole thing is just absurd. Why should people all around the country be obligated to scrub the HauntWorld.com Haunt Directory for valid listings? Especially if they have to do it every year.

As a web developer, I know that resetting a database is EASY. One simple command will do it. I do it every year, so it’s no big deal.


Adam,

I can not do that. However I am going to have someone go through page by page link by link and delete anything that doesn't have an active website.

It takes a lot of work to create a profile, and do all that work, so I do not want to delete something just because a few here and there are no longer around. Again you personally follow haunts in your state, can you give me a list of ones you know are no longer around?

I can clean up your state quickly!

Larry

That is absolute horse hockey that you can’t reset the event listings. I know better. If the user accounts are what you are worried about losing, just reset the listings without erasing the accounts. Even if it the account information and the event listing info is all in the same database table (doubtful), add a flag that can be toggled on and off. If a listing hasn’t been edited in “X” number of months, just set the flag so the listing won’t be shown. That way, you don’t lose any data. By resetting the flag, you could reactivate old listings at a later date, if necessary.

Having created my own Haunt database & website, maintaining it since 1999, I have a pretty good idea of how these things work. LOL. This isn’t rocket science, people. It can be done, and rather easily, with the right web development solution.


The haunt owners have to take an active role in updating their info. While I don't like the idea of just dumping everyone right after Halloween and making them start over, they need to be responsible for keeping their info on all sites current. It is a free listing, after all, so how can anyone complain about being made to stay current? I have done a lot of website work and there are limits on what you can do. I think a lot of people watch too many high tech movies.

The fact is that Haunt owners are often too busy to take an active role in updating their information, unless of course, they are given the proper incentive, like their listing being made inactive. I provide FREE listings on my site and I keep the information current every single year. What is everyone else's excuse? LOL.

If you have done a lot of website work, you should realize that what needs to be done is a VERY EASY task. Keeping the user accounts intact and resetting the event database is a piece of cake.

Why do people think this is so difficult??? I do it every year and so do other websites like HauntedWisconsin.com and ScaryOhio.com.

Jim Warfield
04-23-2008, 08:54 PM
There is also the stone tablet method letting the customers post next to the listing bitching that the place was closed, have the date of their post next to it and someone seeing a three year old post saying it was no longer there might actually give the next customer a clue.
The accuracy would usually only be off one season.
Maybe a big Oui-Ja board selector would contact at least the spirit of a haunt/gone and the fun times could be revisited and enjoyed, almost making the haunt come alive again, wouldn't this be nice?
Mr. Tuxedo Industries has such a program available for only $55,000. A bargain at half the price!
Of course if you are not personally gifted and psychic you will just have to take his word for it that it is working, those things are like that you know.
You Are Welcome.

actiondeath
04-23-2008, 09:52 PM
I vote Oui-Ja board. Larry... Make it happen.

Hey, Larry... Thought you might've turned yer head away for a moment. Now that I have your attention... Make it happen. Seriously... Larry... Hey... Is this thing on... The Oui-Ja function would benefit the industry in ways that are unimaginable. Hey, Larry... Are you reading this?? Helloooo...

Nightmare Grant
04-24-2008, 12:35 AM
Larry,

Mayhem Motel in Lubbock Texas was not open for the 2007 season.

Thanks

graystone
04-24-2008, 11:10 AM
I have just about got Alabama cleaned up. Grant is working of Texas. Adam is getting Illinois. Gravestalker is getting Connecticut. BackInBlack137 is working on Pennsylvania. Brett has got Indiana. Surly others can step up and help Larry out dont you want so see your state current? Come on its not hard help him out your only helping yourself out by doing it!!!! Shane Graystone Manor.

Slain
04-24-2008, 03:13 PM
There are more than 10 that need to be off there that are no longer in buisness.
Terror at the depot.. The haunted .. and some I've never heard of...
Why cant Larry just contact these people, if they don't respond then take them off the list...

graystone
04-24-2008, 04:09 PM
Paul looks like there is others as well I tried to contact thoes 2 and have had no responce I know why now.From what I am told Sloss might be added sometime soon!!! Looks like yall are putting the nail in the coffin!!!!!!!!! Shane

graystone
04-25-2008, 10:30 AM
Did you get the ones Paul said was out and the other 2 I heard back from. Looks like everyone else is ok with their states no one is helping out in their state. But I am sure the ones who helped is happy with getting their state cleaned up I know I am!! Shane Graystone Manor

MDKing
04-25-2008, 12:28 PM
Maryland is all good.

drfrightner
04-26-2008, 01:15 AM
FYI...I'm in Pittsburgh working on a dark ride for Kennywood. Once I get back I will attend to the handfull of listings you've mentioned.

HOWEVER... I had my office manager go through the site yesterday and she checked ALL 2000 PLUS listings and deleted all multiple accounts, and listings with bad urls, etc.

In total we deleted about 200 plus listings. Maybe Adam, will be happy!!! LOL

Larry

neffuri27
04-26-2008, 02:00 PM
Update heard from a couple of more.
Deatsville Trail of Terror ( gone)
The Terror House ( no contact, no directions, no active sight, no info at all)
There is 3 left I have not heard from and Alabama will be all cleaned up thanks Larry everyone who has helped and again Larry will help if someone steps up and works on their state.
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Oh Deatsville Trail of Terror is gone, thats sad we just went to that one this past Halloween and it was very neat. Its like a long hayride through the woods, I think
they have been doing it for years. They had hundreds of folks there.

Have a great Saturday
Kimmy

Feargore
04-26-2008, 02:05 PM
thnx 4 doin this great servic!!!!!!!!

-Taylor

graystone
04-30-2008, 10:11 PM
Has everyone steped up and got the out of business haunts cleaned up in your state if not you might want to get it done!!!! Shane