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xxxdirk
05-12-2008, 12:47 PM
Happened to pop over to hauntshow.com and they have it listed as VEGAS for both the costume & the haunt show March 6-9. Called TW and they confirmed, Chicago is dead, RIP

BruiseMuse
05-12-2008, 07:23 PM
Very sad, I was looking forward to the return of the Crowne!

xxxdirk
05-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Me too. Oh well, I will fly in the day before, see a show or two, do the floor Fri & Sat & fly out Sunday. Just really sucks cause I used to look forward to Transworld, now I am dreading it....

graystone
05-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Vegas blows! Shane

screamline studios
05-12-2008, 08:13 PM
This whole thing pisses me off !!!!!

I received the bullshit application and contract stuff in the mail today, it breaks down like this, bend over and i legally rape you!!!! but guess what folks we have to be there in order for screamline to carry on (now granted we want to be there for all of the screamline backers) but why does it have to be so costly from a vendors side. They brag about drawing in 9500 people in vegas but correct me if i am wrong but was that number alot higher years ago. If you ask me, we as vendors or haunted houses are much better off going to a show that understands these are tough times and gouging people is not the answer but the down fall. This is were(and i have said this from day one) the futher of tradeshows is MHC... haunters for haunters without bending you over.

These are just my thoughts

Jason Blaszczak
SCREAMLINE STUDIOS

graystone
05-12-2008, 09:00 PM
Its ass raping at its worst! Shane

Grimley
05-12-2008, 09:08 PM
I would not be against helping the vendors out. I would rather they charge a fee per person or company to help lower vendor prices and get rid of the looky loos.

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 02:27 AM
As I've stated in the past the haunt industry needs a separate buyers seller show for the haunt industry. I'm working with someone to create this...the rumors are flying around so what. If it can be done it will be done, and vendors will save money, and get four to one on their money. More related industries must be brought into the fold here as buyers and sellers.

The haunt industry by my estimation can be a 400 booth show is not bigger.

I have all the data, and a mailing list now for about 7 different related industries, and buyer lists for about 10 related industries....all in all about 25,000 names, address's, emails and more.

Vegas is NO GOOD for the haunt buyer or seller because 85% if not more of all the buyers and vendors are east of Kansas City...plus the costs are TOO HIGH in Vegas for our industry. Something is being worked on as we speak and if it comes together you will get your solution.

For the record I will not own the show or run the show, I'm only helping to get this off the ground. Don't get me wrong its NOT to complete with MHC, or EHC, or Hauntcon or any of these...its a show for buying and selling, with no make up wars, no hearse rallies, no garage sales, none of that stuff.

Education, Communication and seeing new product...period!

The haunt industry one way or another will be breaking off of a RETAIL show because we have NO CHOICE! Vendors need to find new buyers, and you can't do that at a retail show that puts the focus on RETAIL BUYERS AND SELLERS! We need our own focus, our own show, to control our future.

Riding on the coat tails of other shows must end, and the sooner the better!

Larry

Barry
05-13-2008, 05:02 AM
Don't get me wrong its NOT to complete with MHC, or EHC, or Hauntcon or any of these..

Larry, I really don't want to get into this debate again but ANY time you add yet another show to a small industry, thereby making the decision for vendors even more difficult, you are competing with us. I feel another show will further segment the vendors. There are only so many events they can do per year.

As it is, more vendors have chosen MHC over any other show this year. If some of them were to attend a new show instead of MHC, I would call that competition. Maybe you should attend MHC and the other events to see what were are offering to the industry before deciding what is needed for it. ;)

graystone
05-13-2008, 06:25 AM
I agree with you on this. Larry why not work with Berry on this. Give him the info and work with him. Why start yet another show? Also Larry I have a question and I think its on everyones mind. Just where is this show going to be? And again why not jump in and lend Berry a hand to push MHC as it seems to be growing. Shane

Boo Crew Production
05-13-2008, 06:32 AM
Larry I agree with a portion of your post. Vegas is bad for our industry, you may be right other related industries could be involved.

Now with that said, I feel that another show is not the answer, as Barry has mentioned. Most haunt industry business's are stretched thin as it is. So another show on the "SHOW CIRCUIT" would hurt the industry. From a vendors point of view we can not run all over the country trying to attend 25 shows a year. YES it would be great if a vendor could afford to do this (and a few can), but not many. Like it has been mentioned, this is a small industry.

Here is my question to you. If you are not interested in owning or running the show. Why would you not help an existing show grow with the information you have gathered. Instead of spreading the vendors out more then most already are. The existing shows already have a following, they also have there footing, and I know one show that has a good grasp of what the haunt industry needs (low cost vending and a great turn out of buyers). Then you are talking about a show that has no entertainment for the attendees and or vendors. That is a mistake! There is a reason MHC is growing by leaps and bounds. They have everything you mentioned in your post as well as some GREAT entertainment.

I have a suggestion for you. Maybe some polling of the different groups of interested parties is needed to see what the industry actually wants or needs.

I was informed by a vendor close to my location here in Northern Ohio, that it cost them well over 5000 just to attend the haunt portion of the HCP show in Vegas this year. That did not include product for cash and carry.

hauntedhousenut
05-13-2008, 06:50 AM
Why don't you take the lead in the industry and move your show to the top spot, I'm sure, with the right dates and location you could surely accomplish this, and why don't you ask all of the vendors that will be attending MHC how they feel about this venture?

Matt Marich
05-13-2008, 06:52 AM
Larry, You are of base on this one. We have been attending TW for 7 years and here are our statistics:

Product sold To:

Haunters- 30%
Theme Parks- 40%
Retail-30%

As you can see, we would not benifit much from a Haunt only show. We have never participated in MHC, EHC, or Hauntcon simply because every vendor has said that they don't sell much, it's only worth it to network and do cash and carry items. Christ, our second year I spoke to Barry and he told me himself that his show was small!

This is with due respect to all of these shows, we dearly want to attend but our business dictates only time for one or two a year! You are also off base with continual ethnocentric "East of The Mason Dixie Line " attitude. We sell to many west coast people and parks as well as Canada, U.K, Germany, and China. (O.K. I guess China is really East.)

I E-mailed you regarding your upcoming plans last month and you promised to keep me in the loop, thank you, but I agree, another convention is sure suicide at this point.

Matt Marich
Edge Designs

Gore Galore
05-13-2008, 07:08 AM
I have never received a call from transworld before asking my opinion about the show, but I did get a call yesterday.
I gave her my opinion of being in Vegas versus chicago, but primarily the problem with the January dates as being the issue.
I also told her that if we were to be back in Vegas, the costs need to be really really brought down for the vendors. Gore Galore didn't have much of a problem on this level because we build all of our stuff to be lightweight. So, our drayage was only $500, but I did speak to her about how some vendors drayage was in the $10,000 mark or more and that is just not feasible for any vendor to afford.

I was really impressed to get this call and I hope that it means they are trying to improve the show. But only time will tell.

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 07:34 AM
Matt,

There is a picture so much bigger you can't even imagine it... but once it was all laid out you would fall in love! It doesn't matter what you've done in the past it is what can you do in the future?

The future is so bright you gotta wear shades!

LOL

No reason to beat on something, because there is NOTHING to report...just yet! But I can tell you the days of teaming up with a retail show must end and it will. Our industry needs to assume control over its own destiny... and become something so awesome you can't even imagine.

I have a plan and once you hear it you won't believe it. But again all speculation until something actually happens.

Just hang tight!

Oh yes and Kevin, I told Transworld that if they don't do something about those costs the whole roof would cave in... I am glad to hear they're trying to work with you and make things better for our industry, an industry which has unique needs and problems. We have to be addressed on a different and unique level separate from the retail industry.

Barry...what I'm talking about isn't what you do, isn't what Hauntcon does, and certainly isn't what Transworld is doing it's totally different and to a vendor and a buyer is HUGE!!! You won't understand unless the plan was laid out to you. I think you're wrong another show is just what the doctor ordered, but it would NOT complete with what you're doing so you wouldn't have a thing to worry about. This would be something well... just give me another week or two and I'll tell you everything. It is what the future needs to be so vendors can make more money, and buyers have access to more products. You'll see...

Larry

Barry
05-13-2008, 07:51 AM
Why don't you take the lead in the industry and move your show to the top spot, I'm sure, with the right dates and location you could surely accomplish this, and why don't you ask all of the vendors that will be attending MHC how they feel about this venture?

That has been the topic of many conversations! It cannot happen in '09 because of facility bookings. There is just nothing available at a good price (hotel and convention space). There is also Transworld. We are not certain we want to go head to head with them, and their deep pockets, unless all of the vendors supported it.


Christ, our second year I spoke to Barry and he told me himself that his show was small!

What a difference a few years makes Matt. I would not call MHC small anymore. You, however, are in the group of vendors that really benefits from the retail buyers. I still do not think any haunt only show will give you the results of Transworld over the past few years. As always, I am very up front with vendors as to how I think they would do at MHC and I do not over inflate numbers/projections just to try and get another vendor here.

Ken Spriggs
05-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Larry, I have had some severe head trama over the years but ........

MHC is a show.....a HAUNTED HOUSE CONVENTION of sorts
Why wouldn't we all stand behind MHC or HAUNTCON?

I know your going to say they AREN'T what we need and such

BUT why not make them what we want?

Tell you this much......after more than 15 years going to the Transworld show
2009 will be the first time I will not be going.

You guys are going to do what you want anyways.......

BARRY, need anything for the show? You covered with sponsors and such?
I am partial to this show for 1 reason.......2007 show came at a pretty bad point in my life. I had some realizations that weekend that have kept me from calling it quits.

Barry if you need anything let me know

MDKing
05-13-2008, 11:00 AM
Matt,

FYI, the Mason-Dixon line is the line that divides the Northern States and the Southern states. This is on the border of PA to the North and MD to the south, as Maryland is known as "The Old Line State". Just wanted to clarify for Geography sake! :)

Allan

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Ken,

MHC and Hauntcon are not a strict buyer seller show, as they focus a lot of their energy on actors, enthusiast, and such. Now there is NOTHING wrong with that however that is not what I'm talking about.

I think MHC and EHC are great shows, but we need a replacement show to the retail show known as Transworld, in early March or late February.

Secondly, Ken, it takes a lot of resources to promote a show of the size that I'm talking about...by my figures $40,000 to $50,000 to promote the show alone. I don't think these events have those kind of resources nor would they have the databases required to find the unique buyers that GROW the industry both for the buyer and seller.

You're talking about two totally different kind of shows here... one that focus on education, actor training, and all sorts of fun stuff, while this show would focus strictly on new products, buyers and sellers, and let me add 'qualified buyers'.

Barry would be the first to tell you they want MHC open to anyone who wants to come, they encourage you to bring everyone including the kitchen sink. Again nothing wrong with that but when you're a buyer seller show, you want to do business, the expense of a buyer seller show is very high and you want to spend your time selling. Additionally you don't want the tradeshow floor to complete with make up wars, or hearse rallies, or garage sales, and so forth.

You want buyers on the tradeshow floor with all of their attention on buying and selling.

Again just a different type of show.

Clearly, MHC has been able to thrive just fine even with Transworld being the big dog show... so it won't effect what they do one bit. This will only create a bigger, more successful show for vendors and buyers.

Ken, its a big plan that would mean a lot to your business on both sides of the coin...your haunt and your vendor business.

Larry

PS: Shane there is no set location for this show just FYI. I would love for it to be in St. Louis which is the most central city in America, but there are about 5 different cities being kicked around from New Orleans, to Orlando to Dallas, to Kansas City, and more. There is no city, so stop trying to make another issue for people to bitch about.

Barry
05-13-2008, 05:16 PM
Barry would be the first to tell you they want MHC open to anyone who wants to come, they encourage you to bring everyone including the kitchen sink. Again nothing wrong with that but when you're a buyer seller show, you want to do business, the expense of a buyer seller show is very high and you want to spend your time selling. Additionally you don't want the tradeshow floor to complete with make up wars, or hearse rallies, or garage sales, and so forth.

You want buyers on the tradeshow floor with all of their attention on buying and selling.

You are exactly right about MHC and as I have told you numerous times, I think without the social activities the show you are talking about would have empty aisles. :)

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 06:08 PM
Barry,

As I've told you many times I don't agree that without those thing you would have empty isles. Again I think what you guys do is awesome, and yes it is 110% more fun than Transworld, and NO one is saying otherwise. I've said it myself before I'm sure Hauntcon is more fun than Transworld. Transworld this past year finally got it right when they dumped that haunters pavilion, which did nothing to benefit the vendors who paid for the show.

At Transworld the vendor share NO burden with the buyers because TW doesn't charge the buyers an entry fee. If I'm correct MHC and Hauntcon charge an entry fee for the show, which In my opinion is the right way to go. This lowers cost for the vendor, increases them buying additional booth spaces which mean more new products...win win for everyone.

Transworld was doing great before they tried to duplicate MHC stuff, and they did great when they finally got it right and stopped trying. Transworld is a buyer seller show, and buyers show up with money, and sellers show up with check books. I've told Transworld for years SAVE the social events for MHC, Hauntcon and now the new and exciting EHC.

You know the haunter better than they do, they know tradeshows, so let everyone do what the do best.

Some haunt vendors at TW do high six figures in orders right there on the spot, while even the average vendors will do or can do HIGH 5 figures and or low 6 figures. Some just take a lot of leads and make tons of sales later...its a buyer seller show.

MHC is a show for buying and selling but more commitment is put towards social aspects, or education, while things like Hauntcon put most of their stock in tours. Transworld has always been for buying and selling.

What I'm talking about is a replacement to Transworlds haunt section, something that has 110% focus on VENDORS and BUYERS, with NO social functions, dances, and all that stuff. Educations sure, if there is a haunt to tour great, but 90% of the stock is put into bringing new buyers to vendors, and vendors bringing new product to the industry.

It's just a different type of show, but a needed one for sure!

Larry

graystone
05-13-2008, 06:43 PM
Is my opinion maybe Larry wont delete it! I am for Transworld and will continue to go there. Do I go there to buy? Not really thats what my phone is for and the big 5% discount is not enough to get me to spend money on the spot. I mean I usually spend a few thousand but not more. Now when I get back and think about all the cool things I seen I pick up the phone and call Unit70, Distortions, Oak Island and a few others. They can tell you when Shane calls Shane spends the $$$$$$$ and I can get the same discount and sometimes more right on the phone. I will also start buying from Gore Galore, ScreamLine, CreepyCollection,BodyBagging, Xtreme Creators and several more because by coming here I have made great friends with them as well. Also if I can ( remember I too own my own company) I will attend MHC as I think thats another great show. Personally 2 big shows a year should be more than enough for vendors. As long as they have phones and are not afraid to answer it then they should stay busy!! Guys you all know who you are and keep up the AWSOME WORK YOUR DOING!!!! If I did not call your name forgive me as everyone knows I think for the most part 90% of you guys are hard working and honest! Again I say 2 shows maybe 3 if you include HauntCon or EHC! So another show is just a waste of time and effort on someones part. I dont see that ship sailing. Shane

Barry
05-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Larry,

No, MHC does not charge admission for the tradeshow floor. We never have and never will. I cannot see taking money out of attendees pockets that they can spend with my vendors. I can do this AND still keep it affordable for the vendors to be here.

Personally, I take offense that you seem to think that we place more emphasis on one aspect of the show over another. If you would ask any of the vendors that have been here you will find that to not be the case. There is a fine balancing act that needs to take place with a tradeshow. If you cannot attract the vendors, then the attendees will not come. If the attendees do not come, the vendors will not return. You cannot have one without the other.

As I have told you, it is my opinion that the haunt industry is looking for a social event in conjunction with their tradeshow. That is why the crowd grew to what it was at TW. People like to bring along their employees, their makeup people, etc... They want to make it a vacation. I firmly believe that without the social aspects to draw smaller to medium haunts, a strictly buyer-seller show would be severely limited in expected attendance.

graystone
05-13-2008, 07:06 PM
I would not let it bother me everyone knows the hard work you put into your event! And its no secret the Vendors and buyers are happy. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD GIVE BARRY A BIG THUMBS UP AND A BIG THANKS! You have made it a vendors/buyers market and theres no where to go but keep going up. Shane

actiondeath
05-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Thumbs up, Berry!

I can't wait for the MHC. "Zombieeeeesssssss... We're surroundeeeeeeeddddddd!!!"

Grimley
05-13-2008, 07:31 PM
While I have never been to MHC I have heard from two different vendors that say the no admission policy hurts the vendors. Every Joe blow can walk in and they sometimes don't have any real interest in the haunt world. So you end up talking to someone with no inclination of buying anything.

screamline studios
05-13-2008, 07:44 PM
LARRY,

You say transworld knows tradeshows this maybe true, but do they really know the people?? i would say not, most of them are stuck behind a desk or golfing while all of the hard working people bust there ass just to make them rich, i personally have a hard time with this. Again to me MHC is the future of tradeshows, living there lives around halloween and haunts, and it shows in there events!!! no corporate bullshit, no cigar smoking bigwig living high on the hog drinking only the finest sherry laughing all the way to the bank... you say that you have never been to MHC so my question to you larry is how do you know there is a better show that could be put together, because a couple of vendors did not sell that much?? or maybe those vendors did not have what the consumer wanted that year? who knows, I sure as hell dont. I do hope you have a great idea for a haunted tradeshow, i am positive that screamline would vend there so bring it on and in the end we as vendors or buyers will decide which is the best show.....

These are just my thoughts

Jason Blaszczak
SCREAMLINE STUDIOS

Barry
05-13-2008, 07:49 PM
Grimley,

I have had vendors express this opinion as well but the overwhelming majority have not. It is a difference of opinion. I have done many tradeshows in another industry and personally I do not want someone "pre qualifying" people for me. Put the faces in front of me and let me determine who I need to spend time with.

But I can, and do, value the other opinion. My question for you is, what is the dollar amount that "weeds out" non buyers and do you then hurt your seminar sales? If I had not made it clear, it is our seminar registrations that keep the vendor booth prices lower as we don't support the show on the shoulders of the vendors or the buyers. Like I said earlier, it is a balancing act. :)

toothtwister
05-13-2008, 08:09 PM
While I have never been to MHC I have heard from two different vendors that say the no admission policy hurts the vendors. Every Joe blow can walk in and they sometimes don't have any real interest in the haunt world. So you end up talking to someone with no inclination of buying anything.

The same argument can be made to apply to Transworld. Vendors are looking to land the big buyers and often times spend too much time talking with folks who may only be interested in buying onesies and twosies (i.e. the Haunters).

Transworld is a TRADESHOW and as such, they are not open to the general public. The vendors at these shows primarily expect to write good-size to large orders; they typically offer wholesale pricing since the buyers are purchasing in bulk.

Larger buyers traditionally operate on narrow margins which is why they buy in bulk. Vendors know that their products cannot be undersold in the market with this crowd.

At the other end of the spectrum, we have MHC, EHC and HauntCon. These are all CONVENTIONS (they are not Tradeshows). Generally speaking, conventions are open to the public (usually with and admission fee), and they are geared towards everyone and anyone interested the haunt industry. This is where you will see the make-up wars, costume contests, outrageous parties, scream queens, fan boys, etc. On the vendor side of the conventions, you will find items tagged for retail sales.

The problem that Transworld has had is that over the years it has been evolving into a convention and this has alienated a lot of it's sellers.

Transworld would be smart to consider keeping the Tradeshow in Vegas (since they are now commited), and hold a Transworld Halloween and Haunt convention in Chicago in April or May.

But what do I know?

Thad
DentalDistortions (http://dentaldistortions.com/)

graystone
05-13-2008, 08:11 PM
LMAO you done went and did the throw down!!!!!!! Whooooooooooooo! Got to love this! I think we all need some professional help! Just havin fun with ya bro! I will always back ya! Shane

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 08:51 PM
Barry,

I don't know why you would take offense because I wasn't saying anything negative, but you do put a lot of weight into seminars, social activities. No one is saying you don't care about vendors, in fact I've heard the stories about you guys helping vendors load their equipment in, you keep your costs very reasonable and youv'e worked hard.

All I'm saying is you have a lot of social activities and that does take away from the show flow, but on the flip side, your show is a better experience by a long shot than a Transworld.

There is NO reason what so ever to compare the shows, they're two different animals. People who go to an MHC, or Hauntcon go and let their ties down, relax and have fun, at Transworld its about buying new product. At this point there is no show that compares in selling products. You take all the gatherings combined and they don't add up to the sales of a buyers seller show like Transworld.

Do people say they like the Transworld show as much as MHC...no way!

Again they are different shows, different purpose, different time of year,so why debate this? MHC is going strong even with Transworld show going strong.

The issue here isn't MHC, or any of these shows...the issue can we create a better buyer seller show, can we reduce costs, can we bring in more vendors from other industries for our buyers, and can we bring in more buyers from related industries to help the vendors and give them more bang for the buck.

YES, YES and YES!

That is the issue...MHC, Hauntcon and especially this new EHC which is sitting right in the middle of a zillion haunts and a zillion people will continue to do what they do ad do them well.

We're only talkng about the industries buyers seller show.

Larry

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 08:53 PM
Thad,

I actually think you are vey correct. I just wouldn't go as far as to say go back to Chicago, I'd rather see a new city. But I do agree with you, your post is VERY correct!!! Larry

Barry
05-13-2008, 09:20 PM
Larry,

It is probably not your intention but your posts seems to come across to me as "MHC is a fun show with lots of social events and, oh yeah, there are some vendors there too". Almost making the show floor a side thought.

As I said earlier, more vendors are attending MHC than any other show this year. The show floor is an integral part of the overall event. Do I agree that there is a better option to TW? Yes! Do I agree that adding another event without getting vendor support as well as looking at all of the other options available is the way to go? No!

hauntedhousenut
05-13-2008, 09:54 PM
I agree with you, It's if as someone is trying to define your show for you when you know what it's all about.

Keep up the good work!

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 09:55 PM
Yo Barry...

Just so I'm clear...no I don't think that about your show, that is the problem with threads like these. I know you've doubled Hauntcon if not tripled it and next year you guys are going bigger, bigger, bigger.

I get all of that. I have talked to people who do very well there. No one is taking shots trust me. All I'm saying is you guys do a lot of social activities that are CLEARLY fun for all who come. But your show invites anyone in the doors, and that is fine.

I'm talking about a major buyer seller show, totally different.

Also to answer your other questions, yes you're correct getting the vendors support is very important. That is something that is for the most part lined up.... that is where I think Hauntcon did it backwards. You 110% right you need vendor support and from there you go forward. But there is only so much support you can go after, until you have something concrete to sell them on, you have to get further along. That day is coming and soon.

Personally I'm tired of hearing that guys like Monster Tronics and other vendors can't come to Transworld due to costs. But hey they're right the costs of TW are out of whack with this industry. Booths should come in around $1200.00 and the building should be a non-union hall or a union hall with a lot of flexibility. The show should draw in buyers from all over the World, several MAJOR industries need to be tapped, and the vendor pool should go WAY beyond what we've seen at all the shows.

Getting hung up on halloween or haunt vendors along doesn't help the industry grow... I'm talking about a show that is MORE an amusement show anchored by haunt vendors, but you'll see a ton more amusement style vendors that cross over into our industry.

Buyers need more options to grow their business, and the vendors need more buyers from un-tapped industries. This will cost at the very least $40,000.00 to promote this show, it will take direct mailing to over 30,000 people, to over 500 potential vendors.

Its just a totally different show, a totally different animal.

It will be better, bigger, and more productive than Transworld or IAAPA because it will be both of those rolled into one just focused on our industry not a zillion others, or retailers, balloon makers, wedding cake people, or whatever.

Larry

hauntedhousenut
05-13-2008, 10:06 PM
You say,
It will be better, bigger, and more productive than Transworld or IAAPA because it will be both of those rolled into one just focused on our industry not a zillion others, or retailers, balloon makers, wedding cake people, or whatever.

It sounds interesting, but bigger than IAAPA?

drfrightner
05-13-2008, 11:12 PM
No not physically bigger no... but if you have ever been to IAAPA, the show is almost a million square feet. People try and RUN thru that show so fast you don't really have a chance to talk to people like you'd think.

What I'm saying is Amusement Park industry now gets about 20 to 25% of their yearly revenue from the Halloween industry...we're going to bring them to us. In addition we need to get more of the amusement vendor that overlaps with our industry to the show as well. A show of about 300 to 500 booths can be walked several times in a day, that is why it will be better than som show that is a million square feet.

Don't get me wrong IAAPA is awesome the biggest bad boy out there, but we can get those people to come to us in a more controlled environment.

Larry

TheNightMare
05-14-2008, 12:42 AM
So I go away for 6 days and check out this debate going on. I have NEVER been to any other show other than Transworld. I always wanted to go to other shows, but have no time.

hauntedhousenut
05-14-2008, 07:24 AM
It sounds really cool, my take on this is that this show is going to replace transworld, and not displace, MHC Hauntcon, and others?

BruiseMuse
05-14-2008, 07:53 AM
I love MHC, I think Barry does a great job of balancing the social functions, seminars, and vendors. I do double duty at MHC, I teach seminars and have a booth and I love that the costs are kept low and yet the speakers and vendors are definitely wel ltaken care of.

In regards to the fact that anyone can wander the vendor floor; I know that benefited us last year. Since we do custom artwork, we ended up booking gigs with some of the classic car enthusiasts and tourists that just happened to be in the area. They might not have been part of the haunt industry, but I did see many of them buying from venors.

I love Transworld, and I hate that is has done this move to Vegas and does not seem to be coming back. If another tradeshow is created, I hope it would have many of the same companies that are part of the Halloween section (Costuming, makeup, accessories, etc) and not just the companies from the haunt section. I think a show like that would be great, because it would be more focused and I really don't think most of us would miss the balloon vendors and bridal section.

Is anyone planning on attending the Early Show in Texas? Since it will be its first year, I'm a little weary but I am curious as to how it will go over.

Grimley
05-14-2008, 08:17 AM
We plan on attending the Texas show next year because we are also curious and its only a four hour drive. I'm really worried about a new haunt show trying to replace Transworld. I don't think anyone else will have the vendor numbers or advertising budget that is necessary to pull it off. You would have to be promising a whole lot to get companies like Unit 70 and scare factory to invest the money in going. We are retailers and buy from both the costume and haunt side and this new show would feature mostly haunt vendors which may not make it worth it for us to attend. Then again we may not be the focus group of this type of show.

ScaryJerry
05-16-2008, 09:25 AM
Note from SkullTroniX:
We've been pleased with the sales from Transworld. We sell out most of our inventory for the whole year there.

Being in LV allows us to drive and save a ton of $$$ on shipping. It is also a little more fun than Chicago in January.

I wish we had the ad dollars to go to MHC but by the time the show runs we've blown our wad and most of our inventory has already been sold. It makes even more geographical sense now to go to MHC since Transworld has gone west. But alas, that dollar shortage again. MHC also appeals to the home haunters and most of our sales are to home haunters.

Best to all

Jerry Jewell
SkullroniX
916 600-2295

boneefx
05-16-2008, 09:36 AM
Bone Yard Effects had our best sales year at Transworld Vegas and will return there to exhibit next year. I did get the vendor packet in the mail and the booths have been raised to $1950 for a 10 x 10. Get out the vaseline.
Larry Bones - Bone Yard Effects

ScaryJerry
05-16-2008, 09:54 AM
Funny - my TW packet says 1500/1700 (corner)

Jerry

Jim Warfield
05-18-2008, 05:04 PM
And just now after all this debate someone reads the fine print:"Transworld will be in Chicago on "Vegas" Street! A short deadend alley that is real hard to find, but send all your money!
(Insert evil laugh here~)
Think about it, stranger things have actually happened recently now haven't they?

drfrightner
05-19-2008, 01:08 AM
Somebody has the wrong costs... I would bet its the $1900.00 not the 15 to 1700 because the costs only go up not down. At 1900.00 plus the costs for shipping, and everything else I think I personally will just go as an attendee for the first time since 1993.

Our business just doesn't need tradeshows anymore, however if a haunt only show can emerge, one just for buyers and sellers I will attend and display.

I don't think OUR industry can keep up with the costs of these mega retail style shows, which is why our industry needs its own buyer/seller show, located in the Midwest, in a non-union hall, with a full blown marketing effort behind it to bring in buyers and sellers from several industries to grow our industry for both vendors and buyers.

This must happen!

Larry

Jim Warfield
05-19-2008, 08:48 AM
So how many portable heaters will it take to heat the tent Larry?
Once those kerosene fumes get cranking some real deals and discounts can be made! "Cheap! Cheap! Cheap!" (Said the little safety parakeet just before the fumes killed it.)
Good thing I bought a Jeep, don't bother plowing the snow up to the tent for me!