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mikeq91
01-12-2005, 05:42 PM
I know that this has been discussed in the past, but I want to use this poll in a paper I'm writing.
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Jim Warfield
01-12-2005, 06:22 PM
I voted "Yes" because of a freedom issue involved. I also like my own freedom not to have gore in my house, it sort of works both ways, I think.
It's art. Why would an artist paint a picture with a certain subject matter?
Maybe because he's compelled to, or maybe he's trying to make the rent and he ends up doing something a benefactor is willing to pay him for, like a picture of the benefactor's homely , obnoxious child painted looking totally angelic?
Both could be considerd "ART" by alot of people, but then art is highly personal and subjective.
When there is only "Benefactor" inspired "art" freedom is lost, the best , most memorable expressions of the human striving for self-expression do not usually invole someone else making suggestions or "pulling Strings".
If the design and subject matter of a haunted house is unpopular, ticket sales will show it.
People should be as free as they can be to pursue their own visions of the way things should be. Just don't try it on somebody elses's money, unless they don't care if they never see any of it again?

HauntedWebby
01-13-2005, 09:17 AM
I agree with Jim, it's not like you are being forced to go to a haunted house. So if you don't want to see it, then don't go.

For our haunt this year we are putting up a voluntary haunt rating to give people an idea of what they may see. I don't use gore a lot, but I do have some. I think some images of mental suffering are more disturbing to other then just blood splashed on the wall with some misc. body part on the floor.

Gahaunter
01-13-2005, 09:54 AM
I'm with you guys. I personally don't overuse gore and splatter 'cause I think it's an easy out in haunting. I totally think it's our right though. We *ARE* in the business of scaring people. Some people will be offended/freaked-out but it comes with the territory. If they don't want to see monsters and be scared, then buy a ticket to Orlando and sit on It's A Small World for 2 hours. Oh wait, that is a scary thought!

Lee

Jim Warfield
01-13-2005, 01:35 PM
For all the little macho 12 year old boys "Who aren't afraid of anything!" (So they say)
We need a Kissing Booth, occupied by a nice older woman with a slight moustache! It will be something these boys HAVE to DO!, no walk-around this time! hahahha!
"Billy! Look out for her tongue! It's coming at cha!"

mindtumor
01-14-2005, 04:39 AM
I am not into gore but everyone should be allowed to do what they want. Some people really like to see gore in a haunt. I don't really think it is a problem.

Frightmare Man
01-14-2005, 03:59 PM
The slaghter room scene in my haunt is very gory....but how could it not be? It a slaughter room...

Anyway, we have a Jon Doe laying out on a table, tons of body parts hanging from meat hooks, faces nailed to walls, and tons of raw fish put under the Jon Doe table to give the room that 'disgusting' smell. It works really well.

I think it's perfectly fine to have gore in a hauted house. Most people find it to be scary, and most horror movies are gory...so why not?

hauntdaddy
01-15-2005, 08:22 AM
I never really had a problem with Al, except that part about inventing the internet. His wife, on the other hand, was one scary chick. What? Oops, I guess my comment should have been if you don't have at least a little gore in your haunted house, the customer may feel ripped off because there was no *shock* value. A little gore is a good thing, keep adding until you are satisfied with the results.

Lord Barnabus
01-15-2005, 11:59 AM
If you enter a haunted house as a patron, you should be willing to see gore. Isn't that part of our industry? Now if we are using a lot of gore in our attractions, we need to put it on our warning on the front door or in the ticket booth that they (patrons) may be subject to gore/graphic scenes, strobes, fog, etc.

So in my opinion, you have the right to either use or not use the gore.

Tom
01-16-2005, 09:28 AM
Being my last name is Gore I have to say yes. But seriously every haunt has got to have a little gore in it but with good taste and not over doing it.
Tom

darkrider
01-16-2005, 10:10 AM
One does expect a bit of gore sure...but 'rotten fish'...(who would want to work the room!)... that's a bit much...blood is fake but that stink would be real...that's like a Wax Museum with a figure of Brittany Spears having the STENCH of rotten foot odor present...(for those who don't know...she clears out airplanes)...

You were joking right? About the fish?


Doug

Jim Warfield
01-16-2005, 11:44 AM
How would someone go about determining what "Good Taste" is?
Take a survey? The larger percentage in agreement is deemed to be the correct thinking?
It is all about perceptions and those begin to become shaped when we are very young.
Some will say that gore and blood in vast quanitys is a product of the entertainment media continually raising the stakes with each movie and TV show, each one attempting to out do the next, AND since it is so commonly found "everywhere", must make it acceptable or maybe even "Right"?
Funny thing is , right now the government of Thailand is saying alot of their people are simply stressed and upset from the massive death and destruction and this is why so many of them are seeing ghosts now.
Pretty psychologically powerfull stuff this "Gore", if you think that those people are not actually seeing ghosts, because there aren't such things.

mikeq91
01-16-2005, 04:29 PM
Wow... this poll went the complete opposite of what I expected. I too am in favor of using gore, because the patrons have the choice to enter or not. If someone sees a preview for a movie and they think its too gory, they probably will choose not to go. I was under the impression that more people in the industry were starting to get away from using gore, but aparently i was wrong. Thanks for all the responses!
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Jim Warfield
01-16-2005, 05:42 PM
Just keep in mind that a mere ten responders to this subject does not make a national trend.
There are probably at least two or three others in this haunted house business that didn't respond. (Chuckle)
I think 9-11 changed alot of people's minds about some certain things, maybe forever?
Different haunts have their own types of customers and this can also show up as regional differences too, from what I have heard, so the universality of applicable information is not always constant by any means.

Empressnightshade
01-16-2005, 08:21 PM
For all the little macho 12 year old boys "Who aren't afraid of anything!" (So they say)
We need a Kissing Booth, occupied by a nice older woman with a slight moustache! It will be something these boys HAVE to DO!, no walk-around this time! hahahha!
"Billy! Look out for her tongue! It's coming at cha!"

Hey, Jim...Watch it! I'd qualify for that job in the booth... :lol:

Jim Warfield
01-16-2005, 08:30 PM
Guess what I'm "Qualified For"?
Heather McAddams, the cartoonist visited my house(a copy of her cartoon about her visit here is on my website)
Afterwards she said, "Jim! You have the perfect job, the older and uglier you get, the better you fit the job!"

Empressnightshade
01-16-2005, 08:34 PM
LOL! I read that cartoon ..... :lol:

mindtumor
01-17-2005, 01:13 PM
Oh man, rotten fish? I don't think I personally would like that but maybe others are into horrible smells in a haunt.

scareyou2
01-17-2005, 02:22 PM
I personally like a LOT of gore. We would never do the rotting fish thing. That wouldn't be natural. We've always used road kill (possums, raccoons, etc.) to create our horrible smells. :mrgreen: Why? Because you can't recreate the smell of a rotting mammal (Humans are mammals) with something that is not a mammal. Fish are not mammals - they're uhh... fish? At least I think they are not mammals.

Just kidding about the road kill by the way. I guess my haunt is just a 2-D (Two Dimensional) haunt. We only stimulate you with sight and sound. I suppose a 3-D haunt stimulates you with sight, sound, and smell. For my own well being and enjoyment, I'll pass on the bad smells.

steve
01-17-2005, 03:00 PM
I would say 3-D is sight,sound,touch, then 4-d includes smell, and in a very rare case 5-d which includes taste.

Trailofscreams
01-17-2005, 03:43 PM
Yes, but not in excess

I know that people like gore and all but a lot of it can be harmful to the brain. Kind of the theroy "You learn what you see" I mean that is just my view.

And little kids can be justed freaked out! We at the trail to apply little gore to our scenes but we use a lot of mind tricks so we subsutiue for the gore. I mean there are so many ways to make a scene without gore but if that is your vision, go right ahead but be careful with it!!

:wink:

Jim Warfield
01-17-2005, 08:29 PM
I was told about a haunt (years ago) where they played "Galhlaghar"(sp) with the big wooden mallet on the table, splattering real animal organs everywhere (and the chain-link won't keep your clothes clean, either!)
Fittingly enough it was located on "Devil's Glen Road", in a barn that they called "The Hospital".
Whoever got to clean this retcid mess up (besides the flys?) I don't know?

scareyou2
01-18-2005, 09:15 AM
I didn't know that you could freak out little kids by using a lot of gore. Hmm, I'll have to keep that in mind. LOL

Actually, we don't recommend our tour for anyone under 12. We don't preclude anyone under that age from going in as long as they have a parent or guardian escort. However, we never tone down our show just because there are kids in the group. We always strive to maintain a consistent tour for every person that comes through our gore... err I mean door.

Hell American Freak
01-23-2005, 05:15 PM
How is fake gore in a haunted attraction any worse then watching our government bomb the crap out of some third world country on primetime television. No matter what you do people are going to have something to say about it.

Jim Warfield
01-23-2005, 08:26 PM
If you are being totally ignored, then where is that?
Must get their attention to begin to do anything.
Like the old saying:"I don't care what you say about me, just be sure and spell my name right!"

Hell American Freak
01-23-2005, 08:49 PM
Like they say, any publicity is good publicity.

frightline2005
01-30-2005, 04:26 PM
you have to have gore in any haunted house!!! what would the point be of having a haunted house if there was no gore. blood,guts corpses and our old favorite the butcher scene has made the haunted house/hayride/trail what it is today. the youth today is to soft when i was a kid jason/freddy and the living dead is what i had to live with and thanks to them i turned out twisted and messed up today. KEEP THE GORE REAL!!! :twisted:

Hell American Freak
01-30-2005, 04:28 PM
Some people suffer from their insanity, I enjoy mine...

MMManiac
01-30-2005, 05:03 PM
too much gore can ruin a room, but just the right amount can really spiff up the room. :twisted:

MMManiac
01-30-2005, 05:11 PM
are we talking abour bloody gore or Al Gore? both equally as scary...

Nightgore
01-30-2005, 05:13 PM
hmmmm..... I think that Al Gore will give me more nightmares than bloody gore ever will...LOL!!! New haunt room this season, the Al Gore room of Death. -Nightgore

Jim Warfield
01-30-2005, 06:01 PM
All that blood from just popping that one pimple on your forehead?
"Run! It's an eruption!" Here comes the lava!"
Which brings a question to my mind:Do most of us think we might be giving away too much of the show in the parking lot?
Does anyone consciously not show too much outside, saving it for inside?
I have had actors in evil-clown costumes walk around the side of the house just as some one would ask me if there were clowns in my house, because if there are, they are not coming in!
I think the outside of the place should be interesting and even entertaining but not something that will discourage ticket sales or giveaway the possible creatures to be found inside.

MMManiac
01-30-2005, 07:37 PM
Point well taken boogeyman. More blood and gore= better room.
(at times) :twisted:

Raycliff Manor
01-30-2005, 09:45 PM
I'm all for using blood and gore, but unfortunately, because of the area we're in, we have to be careful in our design and decor. We're right in the bible belt where people can easily cause us considerable heartache from the pressure they put on officials if they think we, in any way, represent satanism or devil worship. But, like I said, I'm all for making the haunt as scary as possible by using all means possible. I figure the patrons are paying to be scared and I intend to give them what they're paying for! :twisted:

Kel

MMManiac
01-30-2005, 10:36 PM
thats would kind of suck having to be caeful as to what u do. In my area anything goes! :twisted:

Raycliff Manor
01-31-2005, 09:18 AM
It does present its challenges MM. We even put out a press release indicating that our haunt was "ghost" themed and in now way satanic. We did this in response to a number of calls we received from some of the radical fundamentalists in the area. I figure the more challenging the situation is, the greater opportunity I have to rise to the occasion...hope, hope, hope! :wink: Adressing the issue dod result on some additional free press. :D

I do wish we had the freedom to exercise a bit more creative liberty though. I think the fact that we made a sizable contribution to a local charity, even though we are a "for-profit" haunt, softened things a bit for us and next year we have another charity that we have already promised 10% of the net profits to.

The good new is that, in spite of the toned down gore, we still had a number of people wet themselves, take emergency exits, refuse to proceed and go back out the front door and we had people freeze up and require an escort to get them out. :twisted: You gotta love that :!:

Kel

scareyou2
01-31-2005, 10:04 AM
Kel,

That would really piss me off ( :evil: ) if some church related group/organization tried to stop my haunt because of their views on Satanical themes. I'd tell them to **** off if they don't like it. Don't tell me what themes to put in my haunt and I won't tell you what message to preach in your church.

It's really sad in this day and age that people of religious faith are still trying to control others through governmental influence. I'm a firm believer in separation of church and state. Unfortunately, I, too, live in the bible belt. We still have silly a** Sunday Blue Laws here in most of South Carolina. Fortunately, people here are starting to open their eyes to how dumb and regressive they are.

We tend to push the envelope to some degree, but we have yet to have any gripes about our content. Then again, my response to the Satanic gripers would be, "If you don't like it, don't come!"

Raycliff Manor
01-31-2005, 10:28 AM
I hear ya Scareyou, Unfortunately, the religious fanatics here have a great deal of pull with the local officials and they can make our lives real difficult if they want to. We're trying to impress upon them that we are "live and let live" people. Of course there are a number of more balanced mainstream "Christian" groups here, like the Christian Cowboy's that just loved the haunt. I try to make it clear to the community that we aren't anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Hindu, or anti-anything, except for anti-hate. :wink:

Kel

MMManiac
01-31-2005, 01:10 PM
and to think someone wanted me to do a jesus "crusifiction" room this year... Talk about getting bad press... no thanks! :twisted:

scareyou2
01-31-2005, 02:03 PM
Hell, getting bad press will sometimes get you more business. I guess it just depends on what it is. When we plan rooms for our haunt, we don't ask ourselves, "WWJD? Will doing this room get us in trouble with the religious right?" We are strictly looking at it how it fits into our haunt and the scare and entertainment value.

No matter what you do or don't do, there will always be some people who associate haunted attractions as being evil, or work of the devil. That is, unless it's a church group or religious organization sponsoring one of those "What's It Like When You Go To Hell" tours.

Would we do a Jesus crucifiction? No, it just wouldn't fit with what we do. Would showing someone being crucified as part of a torture room scene be off limits? Nope, not for us. Are characters that could be construed as being demonic off limits? Again, the answer is no!

I feel for those of you who are constrained to only have content in your show that others deem as morally acceptable. It's not right, but I understand that most of us here don't have unlimited capital and resources to fight City Hall. You do what you have to do to make it.

Markieb
01-31-2005, 02:13 PM
Gore is good, I love it. It just has to be balanced and not over the edge.

Says for instance you have a man decapitated in army clothes. Bad decision. You have children in the gore scene..bad decision...

You have to be logical and dont let gore over run you house.

However you do need enough gore to scare some. I think it is a balancing act.

steve
01-31-2005, 05:19 PM
judging by your avatar would this be your room? :D

gore is your friend, for dip your hand in that freshly opened corpse and splatter it all over dem walls

Hell American Freak
01-31-2005, 05:51 PM
I don't have a room, I run the house so I am a roamer but I still like to act because when it comes to scaring people I am like a crack addict, I have to get my fix or I go crazy, who said I'm crazy, you said I'm crazy, no the stop sign said your crazy, the stop sign said I'm crazy, well the cheesecake tuna burger clocktower man told me to eat the spare tire to make the evil clown monkeys go away, clown monkeys where, no...no...I don't want to, leave me alone, I don't want to hurt them, they were nice, they said hi to me, hurt them, hold their eyelids open with tooth pics and pour salt into their eyeballs, why, cause I said so

Nightgore
01-31-2005, 08:34 PM
Remember, gore isn't just blood. It can also be puking/vomiting, pooping (lol), torture, punishments/abuse, murders... keep the "gore" range open. -Nightgore

Hell American Freak
01-31-2005, 08:50 PM
Steve, have a orderly walk around your parking lot trying to sell urine samples to your guests. :twisted:

scareyou2
02-01-2005, 06:50 AM
I once thought about selling something outside of my haunt to help the vertically challenged - you know those people that aren't quite tall enough to see over the person in front of them. I thought about selling these little, teensy, tiny, stools for short people to try out. Actually, I'm talking about the demo kind, not the full blown real ones.

After thinking long and hard about this, I figured I might get in trouble and turn people away if I had a big sign that read, "Stool Samples For Sale". :mrgreen:

MMManiac
02-01-2005, 10:24 AM
[insert laughing here] :lol:

Hell American Freak
02-01-2005, 05:05 PM
.... :lol:

steve
02-01-2005, 05:10 PM
yes apple juice was the drink... bathroom breaks are in evitable....
go into this cup and store it with the apple juice to give that nice "Freah" scent

MMManiac
02-01-2005, 05:45 PM
only we can appreciate the humor in that. Most peoploe would probley think we're fircken nuts.. I love it!

DrARKane
02-01-2005, 05:50 PM
I like the fact that people think im a bit crazy,,,keeps the neighbors from bothering me when i need too get things done and they all show up at my haunt to see what they know will be a good show!

Jim Warfield
02-01-2005, 05:59 PM
I used to set a table in my spooky kitchen with dirty plates and silverware featuring some burnt pieces of wood with motor oil on the plates and some dried lawn trimmings sprinkled over everything.
Nobody ever mentioned anything about this, mainly because it fit right in with all the other stuff in that room! "Continuity, continuity!"
Not having any money at all when I started this place, I went over the bluff behind the house and dug up some antique bottles from the 1910 landfill and put them in my Spooky kitchen with new labels of products I invented, and these were my inexpensive props for the kitchen routine for many years.
I got alotta "miles" out of basically "nothing".(by common standards)

DrARKane
02-01-2005, 06:13 PM
When i bought the 100 year old house i live in,it was full of everything one can imagine.The same family that built it lived here until the last one died a year before i aquired it.They had gone through the depression and never threw anythig away...a gold mine of props! I have yet too buy any nuts or bolts for anything and i still have a basement that has yet to be compleatly explored for the treasures it holds. Ive had the place for 10 years..

Jim Warfield
02-01-2005, 06:27 PM
45 miles from here was a man who bought an old house that had a wine cellar below his basement(No, I have a wine cellar, but this is someone else)
The wine cellar was full of junk, old bicycles, furniture...it took him years to clean this one room out (everything had to be carried up stairs, you know.
As he finished attacking the last pile of junk in the far corner of the room he discovered under that junk a stairway going down! He is already below his basement, remember!
The stairs were packed full of more junk, it was a long, slow process but waiting there below the wine cellar was another wine cellar!
Another wine cellar packed full of junk!
It took him , I guess? a year of pulling stuff out of this third-floor underground room and he finally closed in on the last pile of stuff in the far corner ...and there was another set of stairs going down from there!!
And these stairs were also packed filled with junk!
He said, "To heck with it!" and I was told he quit working on it.
I can not imagine the physical labor and the time it took to build one wine cellar underground, let alone to stack three up , underground , below the basement level!!
I would be working like crazy clearing this stuff out if it were my place, there might be a fourth wine cellar below the third one!??
Everybody knows that's where the gold, silver and bones would be!

DrARKane
02-01-2005, 06:48 PM
I can't imagine not moving junk until i got too the end..it would drive me madd not knowing where it would end what was there....because as you said ..thats where the gold and the bones are..everyone knows that !!!