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Darkangel
07-17-2008, 06:28 AM
With Larry working hard on wrapping up his latest and greatest Hauntworld magazine, did anyone else receive the next issue of 13th Hour Magazine? It has Dee Snyder on the cover and the magazine just looked amazing. Great photography, showing a wide range of different haunters, and vendors alike. This magazine, if I were new to the industry, would convince me that this is a very professional industry by how cool the magazine looked.

Are they still giving away free ad space to vendors? I hope they can stick around for a while....


Darkangel

campdoc
07-17-2008, 06:36 AM
Got one yesterday,in the mail..
it's huge!

AW
07-17-2008, 06:45 AM
How do you subscribe ?

Darkangel
07-17-2008, 07:54 AM
Aven,

I didn't subscribe, yet, just signed up something at the Vgeas show for updates and they just sent me one. Sign up you'll like it too I'm sure!

Darkangel

Gore Galore
07-17-2008, 08:41 AM
Did you notice the Pipe he is holding through out the photo expo?
that is right. Gore Galore's Exclusive "Big O Pipe".
We presented it to him at the transworld show in vegas.
He immediately began carrying it around like a badge of honor.
Hahaha
I didn't even know he used it in his article until I saw my copy.

http://www.gore-galore.com/products/big_o_pipe.gif

graystone
07-17-2008, 11:56 AM
A few days ago. But I have not had a chance to look at it yet. But it does look good! Shane

Killer Katie
07-17-2008, 04:53 PM
Got it at MHC - it's wicked cool and heavy!

SomeThingInTheIce
07-17-2008, 06:02 PM
I got one today and I'm not sure how. It was addressed to Farmers Cemetery, that was the name of last years haunted trail, they must have gotten it from a listing. Huge mag, lot of venders I have never seen before, thats cool. Hope they do well!

FrightProps
07-17-2008, 06:37 PM
“13th hour voted #1 choice bathroom reader by FrightProps employees”

hauntedhousenut
07-17-2008, 06:46 PM
You just wait and see, Larry will once again reign supreme of the Throne!

drfrightner
07-17-2008, 09:49 PM
All the vendors who advertised in that thing got upset because he didn't mail any out... If I was him I'd mail out a handful to the people who post on boards so they can say 'oh i got one'... claims of mailings thousands I don't believe for a second. I'm glad they finally mailed one to somebody.

I just want the vendors to get their monies worth.

As for Hauntworld magazine, there is nothing that will touch this baby!

I've put every inch into this thing...this is real content for people who know the industry, not articles about making cookies or cup cakes for a Halloween party.

You'll see I'll show ya... "The Joker"

HAHAHAHAHA

Anyway, I'm making this magazine a show piece, and it will be mailed to an extra 2000 people in several different industries to all sorts of new buyers.

It is coming!

Here is another page for your viewing pleasure!

Larry

xxxdirk
07-17-2008, 10:08 PM
Got it today and I had also gotten it at MHC.

shawnc
07-18-2008, 02:05 AM
Larry,

You put every inch into it? I don't like the sound of that. I'll have to remember to wear gloves when I get my copy. :D

Shawn

drfrightner
07-18-2008, 02:56 AM
Funny one Mister!

Larry

Darkangel
07-18-2008, 03:18 AM
Every inch? Sounds like a quick read!! J/k

Larry it's looking really cool. So the whole magazine is in color?

Darkangel

Epperson
07-18-2008, 10:21 AM
Any other way to subscribe to the magazine?

Mike Honcho
07-18-2008, 12:41 PM
Yeah I received mine Thursday. I think they did a great job on the mag .

The Ghoulish Gallery
07-18-2008, 06:33 PM
Larry, your page layouts are suddenly looking very similar to 13th Hour Magazines'. I know that many haunters really liked the more contemporary look of 13 Hour's mag so I'm wondering if this is deliberate on your part?

Tim Turner
www.theghoulishgallery.com

SomeThingInTheIce
07-18-2008, 07:01 PM
The info is inside the mag, I would post it but my brother has it. IT"S $79.00 FREAKING DOLLARS!

Any other way to subscribe to the magazine?

graystone
07-18-2008, 08:22 PM
You know I have to say I got to agree with you. I never thought of it till you mentioned it? Larry LMAO do you feel threatened? Shane and its Hugh Hefner Shane this time

stafford
07-18-2008, 09:29 PM
I have to agree with Tim here, be careful Larry, isn't the saying

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

However, no one argues that 13th Hour Magazine looks great, and the new issue of Hauntworld is looking like it's shaping up to look great as well. Competition benefits the end consumer.

Chris

badlander2000
07-18-2008, 11:42 PM
I like the pre-MHC track of strengths and weaknesses and do not like seeing these magazines competing between each other because if all three stay different we would buy all of them instead of one, which would make everyone better off, the owners would still make their money, the vendors would still be able to chose where they advertise and us haunters would still get lots of information. I would definitely have to say that morphing Hauntworld into a smaller version of 13th Hour and competing would be bad.

drfrightner
07-19-2008, 01:07 AM
Tim,

I would NEVER copy anything they have done, in fact and this is just my opinion but I feel the whole magazine is terrible. I can't read that thing... you have to hold it 10 feet from your face to see it. Their are NO articles worth five cents to haunt owners... in fact if you want to talk copy cat...

Hmmm... we did 13th Gate so then he does 13th Gate, I'm sure we'll see Bates Motel in their next magazine! LOL

With all of that being said, they do not know the haunt industry, their endless articles on vendors do not help me the haunt owner. If I plunk down five cents to read articles about how to make cookies, cup cakes, and endless articles about vendors SHOOT ME!

As for the design and layout... Brainstorm is doing the layout and they have NEVER EVER seen 13th Hour Magazine, they ever even heard of it. So the answer to your question is NO!

I would NEVER devote say for example ONE page to ONE picture just so I can add more pages and say...we're bigger. There are things however that we have never put into our magazine, and one of them a lot of design work because I believe content is KING. You can buy whatever you want...I play fantasy football and from time to time I buy fantasy football magazines. Sorry to say if Tim Turner wrote a fantasy football book, with tons of pretty pictures, I wouldn't buy it...sorry Tim. LOL

However if some inside expert wrote one, all in black and white,with no pictures, I would buy it. If you are going to PLAY...PLAY TO WIN!

It doesn't matter of the magazine is purple, blue, or black and white, knowledge is what counts not cup cakes. I say each to their own...

Larry

MDKing
07-19-2008, 06:26 AM
Which magazine had the cupcakes recipe? Sounds tasty!


Allan

Jim Warfield
07-19-2008, 06:59 AM
It just showed up, I thought it might be a twisted porno mag. at first. At least someone decided NOT to put any mostly naked photos of Dee Snider on their cover! (I still have bad dreams from seeing those once!)
The large format appeals to those of us who are half-blind from being in the dark all the time,"see pretty big picture!" (BIG but not always "Pretty"!)
It's pretty risky today to put anything of any size into print. I got an offer from Reader's Digest the other day, $10.oo for a whole year! Desperation may have set in as fewer and fewer people read anything any more.
"Show me the money?"
No, it's "Show Me The Pictures!"
And "One picture is usually NOT worth a thousand words" , anymore simply because so many now have a total vocabulary of around only 300 words and you couldn't use all of them to describe any picture, "Mommie, Daddy, Fecal, Sh--. F---, Dammit!Food, Pepsi, Fries,Check,Sex,phart."
Only 288 words left, see what I mean?

Good Luck to anyone printing an issue that is a physical item .

UndeadProd
07-19-2008, 07:15 AM
I find that most people under under the age of 25 use roughly 300 words when having an average conversation, 265 of which is the word "like"

graystone
07-19-2008, 07:29 AM
Oh what a tangled web we have weaved! I was at the 13th Hour Magazine booth and guess who chatting and was telling them how wounderful the magazine looked? Yup someone from Brainstorm! actually 2 of them and they were also talking about some work they were doing with another haunt magazine!!!! This is GREAT AND I WITNESSED IT ALL!!!! THIS IS TRULY A GREAT DAY!! Larry you need to call your guys and talk to them. I think they might even be doing a little spying for you!!! Larry shame, shame, shame. these guys know all about 13th Hour! LARRY!!!! yall have been busted! Guys don't be upset with Larry I would feel just as threatened. Competition is scary so you guys go easy on Larry.Shane and its tickled pink Shane this time.

Epperson
07-19-2008, 11:08 AM
I guess I am not looking at whose magazine is better, more intersted in gettting new ideas for my home haunt which I am hoping someday going public. I am not afraid to try something out if it is expensive if I can gain some knowledge on a subject. Hopefully over the next few years I can get to some of the shows and meet some of you personaly and am sure it would be the best thing I can do to take the next step but if anyone could post the subscribe form for the magazine I would deeply appreciate it. Once I found out of the haunt world magazine I subscribed to it and recieved my first copy a few weeks back, Good magazine just hope they add a how to section for us rookies. Might be a good addition to add a prop of the week?


Thanks
Shane
Altered-Reality

drfrightner
07-19-2008, 11:27 AM
Shane,

Are you CRAZY... Brainstorm hasn't attended a Transworld show in like 10 years. That is the truth and they have never seen ANY magazine not even HAM in years. They have their own world going on in Denver.

The good news is... I talked to Brainstorm and asked them to attend St. Louis and they said they are coming, but haven't said if they'll grab a booth or not...yet.

Larry

hauntedhousenut
07-19-2008, 12:24 PM
Is the rumor true that the Illustrious Chad Savage moved to that area and is now employed by them?
why don't they know the haunt industry?

Will Chad Savage be able to bring that information of the haunt industry, that you say they lack?

professornightmare
07-19-2008, 12:24 PM
I have already work from the ads placed. The work came from new faces and new names but it's "all" good. Every magazine and or content contributer makes our industry better. I recommend advertising with them.

Mutant Space Gerbil
07-19-2008, 12:25 PM
I looked through the 13th hour mag and it seemed like a haunters version of vogue. Lots of advertisement which was very much eye candy. Several vendors I hadnt heard of, with what seemed like cool props. What I thought was odd was the fact that you could purchase an ad, I meant to say article about your haunt. Some may think my reasoning strange but I want to earn my article not pay for it.

drfrightner
07-19-2008, 02:14 PM
Gerbil,

This is the DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF EVER... it says something about national PR...what national PR? Who would pay for an article about your haunt in magazine that is handed out at tradeshows or whatever?

But you know what maybe they are onto something...

Is anyone willing to pay me $5,000.00 for an article on your haunt?

APPLY HERE...I guess if someone was willing to pay that kind of money it would be hard to turn down the money, so hell what am I talking about hell ya, write those checks.

LOL

As for you NUT... I heard the same rumor but no he's not on their payroll he is making their website from what I've heard and nothing more. Furthermore I wouldn't say Chad knows the haunted house industry, he does NOT own a haunt, he makes websites. There is nothing that can replace owning and operating a MAJOR haunt, that brings MAJOR problems, and everything between. ANYONE can open a haunt, ANYONE can write a movie, or anyone can be a taxi driver, but until you do it and do it a lot you can hardly call yourself an expert at anything. That is just my opinin.

Larry

professornightmare
07-19-2008, 02:18 PM
Maybe you should write an article instead of "earning" it? If they like it..they might publish it? I thought the spread of Netherworld was great..did they not "earn it by being a good haunt?

drfrightner
07-19-2008, 02:23 PM
John,

I don't think you understand...they are now selling features on your attraction claming you will get national PR. They want you to PAY for a feature.

Dude the way you defend these guys I would think you own the thing!

I know you got a lot of free ads but c'mon man! We both earned our wings the hard way. I have never heard of a magazine SELLING feature stories, and the only way anyone would do that is if their motivation is money first and foremost. We did magazines for passion, we contributed to the industry for passion, not money. Clearly there is a difference here and one I would say drove you for so many years with Fright Times. I know you never made a penny, and you certainly never charged anyone for a feature story about their business their haunt or anything else. Money didn't motivate you John and it does not motivate myself either.

Larry

Jim Warfield
07-19-2008, 03:32 PM
But how many big trees had to die and how many mailmen got hernias so we could all get that big magazine?
Costs .
What might the costs be to create and deliver this magazine?
About 17 years ago I spent alot of my time and energy and Bic pens hand writing (copying) a little homely notebook paged "magazine" I sent to several people in the haunted house business....and not one of them ever acknowledged even getting it.
I did do it for love of telling a story.
Oh, well?
It was a partially fictionlized Transworld account with the boys from rural america running their dirt bikes through the clear tube that crosses the street there.
"YeeeHaw!"

hauntedhousenut
07-19-2008, 04:07 PM
Gerbil,

This is the DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF EVER... it says something about national PR...what national PR? Who would pay for an article about your haunt in magazine that is handed out at tradeshows or whatever?

But you know what maybe they are onto something...

Is anyone willing to pay me $5,000.00 for an article on your haunt?

APPLY HERE...I guess if someone was willing to pay that kind of money it would be hard to turn down the money, so hell what am I talking about hell ya, write those checks.

LOL

As for you NUT... I heard the same rumor but no he's not on their payroll he is making their website from what I've heard and nothing more. Furthermore I wouldn't say Chad knows the haunted house industry, he does NOT own a haunt, he makes websites. There is nothing that can replace owning and operating a MAJOR haunt, that brings MAJOR problems, and everything between. ANYONE can open a haunt, ANYONE can write a movie, or anyone can be a taxi driver, but until you do it and do it a lot you can hardly call yourself an expert at anything. That is just my opinin.

Larry

That's what I've been saying about Tyler all along when he starts giving advice, he has no experience as an owner, when in fact his experience is limited to acting, and being a floor supervisor over five actors.

drfrightner
07-19-2008, 04:25 PM
Tyler is doing things right, he's involving himself with the right people, staying connected and is involved with a haunt. I will never know why you guys pick on him so much! C'mon. Larry

hauntedhousenut
07-19-2008, 04:30 PM
Not picking on him, I feel sorry for him. If he used his own words and topics on a consistent basis then maybe he wouldn't catch so much flack.

graystone
07-19-2008, 06:20 PM
I was told that you hired Tyler to be over all the kids working in the Darkness this year 10 and under can you verify this rumor? Shane

MDKing
07-20-2008, 08:28 AM
Hauntedhousenut, what is your haunt called? I couldn't find a website for it on your profile....


Allan