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MMManiac
08-08-2008, 09:11 AM
Im a pretty trusting person so I hate when someone takes advantage of that and lies to me for their personal gain.

Here's the story:

I bought a few web domains a few years back because I didn't decide what I wanted to call my haunt (after being threated by LP for using the name Mayhem Manor). We decided on a name but kept the other websites just incase we decided to expand in the future. One day I received a e-mail from a "highschool kid" who was doing a haunt in their school to raise money for some club and they were on a limited budget. They really wanted one of my web domains and offered me $150.00 for it. Usually I would say no way but due to their budget and what not I said okay and sold it to them. (I mean I only paid $10 for the name) Well I just went to the site and let me tell ya by the looks of it this is no "highschool kid trying to raise money for a club." Its some multi-haunt attraction put on in some sort of stadium with a $20 ticket price.

O-well lesson learned. I hope for the best for this "Charity haunt"

:confused:

Jim Warfield
08-08-2008, 09:27 AM
So we can lie to one another!
It served to shorten the time the caveman had to spend explaining to his waiting wife why he brought back little "game".
It cut short the time the caveman had to spend sniffing around the cave to see if another caveman had been seeing his wife while he was ouit hunting.

A Ford dealer in a town in Iowa put on old "farmer" clothes and successfully bought some farmland because he wanted to return to his "roots" as he retired.
The farmer that sold to the car dealer resisited selling to anyone for years because he knew his farm was a prime location...guess what?
The old farm became the new Ford dealership location, right in a prime location bought for a farmland price!

Does anybody want to pay full price for anything when you might be able to get it cheaper?

Ever heard this one? :"I knew he was lying to me, his mouth was moving!"

Are you sure it is the same domain name? No different little words ahead or behind to make it different from the one that you sold.
I don't have a clue? How much do you feel a super-stadium haunt would have paid you for the name?

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 09:33 AM
I honestly dont care about the money aspect of it. If they would have said hey look im opening a haunt i like that domain can we work out a deal. I probley Still would have sold them the domain for the same amount, it just erks me when people go about it the wrong way...

Jim Warfield
08-08-2008, 09:46 AM
Maybe they didn't lie to you whereas the way some "Charities" are operated.

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 09:56 AM
True that Jim!

Jordan24
08-08-2008, 10:32 AM
Yeah, that sucks.

What was the domain name though. I'm kind of curious to take a look at this 'stadium' haunts site.

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 10:33 AM
I really dont want to point out the haunt or have them harassed but it is a somewhat cool site.

www.toxicterror.com

graystone
08-08-2008, 11:28 AM
My friend its the Haunt Industry would you expect anything less? Shane

Jonathan
08-08-2008, 11:48 AM
So after feeling your pain man, I know what it is like.

Now I will say coming from a graphic design background, I tihnk the site cold have been done by a High School student. Graphically and such.

Now I was doing some digging and hereis what I found and it seems it still is a Charity / Fundraiser event. So feel good about the sale still....or I can hope. you know. But here is what I found....
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"Unlike other fundraisers, there are no sponsors to call, candy to sell or cars to wash! All you have to do is buy a block of reduced tickets for Toxic Terrors The Haunted Stadium & resell them at up to face value, and join us for the biggest & scariest event in the Inland Empire. Itís that easy! Plus Toxic Terrors will award a grand prize to the group/organization that sells the most tickets. This is a great way to raise money for your special program while being a part of Toxic Terrors The Haunted Stadium."

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Now I did send and email to get more info on the event so I'll let you know as well. I think all is well in the haunt world...crossing my fingers esp since I am a big supporter of charities as everyone knows.

Greg Chrise
08-08-2008, 12:01 PM
It looks to me after looking at the pictures, mask/costume quality and an overhead view of the Stadium, You aren't looking past the very well organized hype. You may be looking at a couple of years of serious productivity, the added intrest by some older people possibly family or family of friends. It appears to me the stadium is not that old as there is still a lot of undeveloped property around it and possibly another case of too much resources spent for no reason by the town.

Sure, for a while this will be allowed in the stadium to put it on the map and bring in a little income but, eventually it will get bumped as other sport events over promote and bring in prepaid contracts effectively queezing this haunted event.

First year it showed some fun and potential. Second year they actually got their stuff together but, so far no one has bothered to go beyond Walmart for costumes. The Myspace page shows him to be 24 years old now.

Perhaps the other haunts that have been around for a while in this multiple attraction deal have moved in on this good opportunity and potential. That's kind of what happens out here. It takes the efforts of many with each having some resource to pull it all off quickly.

I'm seeing some smarts, not necessarily lieing a few years back. And again this web page all shows some great resources at face value but it might just be good signage and habitrails. Which is fine, it works, again good judgement fitting the resources to what the number of paying customers really is.

These older dudes capable of paying for or creating a nice web site, could just as easily be dissappointed (if they were hoping to get paid a percentage of the gate) with a lack luster turn out or a few years down the line losing it all as the arena promoters have better paying gigs and the haunt customers "have seen it". Everyone got their money and nothing more was put into producting a better haunt. better website. better promotions.

I'm just saying. We all know how dealing with a bunch of people for an event can turn out to be really dissappointing. Notice there is no photo page on the website of elaborate things that have gone on in the past.

The pictures on Myspace are at another event where the stands are half filled as promotion. It appears the actors are asked to volunteer, (like the football team?) charities are asked to sell blocks of tickets to make thier money. All very good promotion. Still I see no track record of anything already seriously impressive. It may be fun and have tremendous potential and this 24 year old is going to learn SO much and has done so many things right so far.

Yes, good luck to them.

For example, my gypsy habitrail can pop into any place that has the proper promotion and facilities. It would be an over night success and is an impressive investment. The thing is, the haunt was actually constructed some sections as long ago as 1979. Like a systems analyst, I put pieces and parts together, remodeled and detailed other things added twice as much with new stuff but, have only had it total for maybe 8 years?

To the uninformed it is impressive. Bob was only mentioning this idea he had two weeks ago and then wham here is all this investment. This is really going to be some event! Which is the reaction you are after.

Making $150 on a domain name is probably good. It could have been as low as $18.99 on a bid because they know you are only spending so much per year to keep it.

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 12:03 PM
It will be interesting to see what you find out.... It will be piece of mind more then anything that I didnt get screwed over. The only screwing I enjoy is from my girlfriend.. wait did I say that out loud? Opps! hehe

jack
08-08-2008, 02:27 PM
Still not clear how you got screwed over when you got $150 for something that you paid $10 for and weren't using.....? That's a 1400% profit.

just sayin'...

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 02:46 PM
Jack this might be a little extreme but say you bought a house ten years ago for $20,000. That house is now worth $300,000 and you were not living in it. Would you take $100,000 for it? Good web domains are hard to come by these days and owning the actual web domain of your haunt without extra words in it like TOXICTERROR.COM can be worth alot of money. Some companies paid millions for theirs. Now don't get me wrong this isn't about the money. Like I said befor I STILL probley would have sold it to them for the same amount, its the fact that they decived me and lied to get it.

Jim Warfield
08-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Maybe you can figure this lying out just by reading this old saying:"He will tell a lie, when the truth would serve him better."
Maybe it's the thrill of the swindle? Like shoplifting small unneeded items just for some perverted excitement.
Not all of us have our acceptable pleasures and thrills in the correct order, leaving the illegal ones off that list.

shawnc
08-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Sean

Something interesting I noticed. The actual web page is ToxicTerrors.com

It looks like ToxicTerror.com is quickly redirected to that site.

I don't know if they already had ToxicTerrors.com or not, but it looks like they wanted your domain just for the convenience of being able to draw people to their site who didn't get the address quite right.

Shawn

MMManiac
08-08-2008, 10:00 PM
interesting... I didn't catch that earlier

Haunting Copy
08-10-2008, 06:59 AM
Sean

Something interesting I noticed. The actual web page is ToxicTerrors.com

It looks like ToxicTerror.com is quickly redirected to that site.

I don't know if they already had ToxicTerrors.com or not, but it looks like they wanted your domain just for the convenience of being able to draw people to their site who didn't get the address quite right.

Shawn

Must be some kinda high falutin' high school project that's willing to pay $150
for that convenience. Hmm.

Sarah

FearSeeker
08-10-2008, 11:05 AM
Sean,

How long ago did they buy the site from you? Maybe they hadn't decided then which one they were going to use for their haunt? Sort of depends on the the timeline. Just trying to figure it out.

MMManiac
08-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Toxicterror.com was bought from my in June of 2008.

Toxicterrors.com was purchased April 2008

FearSeeker
08-10-2008, 12:14 PM
So it does appear that ShawnC is correct that they did purchase your site just to redirect people who got the actual site address wrong. And they threw this together all so quickly.

But I do agree with you that they should NOT have lied about it to get it. Or at the very least they stretched the truth. Sorry about that! Hopefully things are at least still looking hopeful on getting to hang onto your haunt through this season!

Jim Warfield
08-10-2008, 12:55 PM
Why would they need the ownership of the similair name to redirect people?
Google does this automatically, at least this has been my experience. ?

FearSeeker
08-10-2008, 01:03 PM
No, google doesn't redirect people to other sites automatically. You have to purchase the other sites that you think people may accidentally type and then set them up so that they are automatically redirected to your actual site. Google may help by asking "Did you mean ....?"

shredman
08-10-2008, 02:12 PM
This is no major haunt, it is a charity and doesn't look very good. I have been snooping and trying to find out things, and the only thing I really found were 2 different domains with the same site.

toothtwister
08-10-2008, 05:59 PM
The Toxic Terror event is at the Storm stadium in Lake Elsinore CA. about 7 minutes from where I live (lucky me...).

The Lake Elsinore Storm is a farm team for the San Diego Padres. It really is a beautiful stadium, I will say that much.

I talked to the guy running the event (before I saw this thread). They have pretty high hopes. Hopefully they can pull it off- I know nothing about how they plan on marketing, whattheir budget is, ect...

An actor-driven haunt that runs 21 nights in October. Apparently they will have a vendors area.

We won't be participating beyond possibly providing a few sets of teeth (probably in trade as a sponsor) as we have a business to run in Oct. But who knows- nothing has been finalized.

Sorry that you feel a bit slighted in how they acquired the domain name that you sold them.

Thad
Dental Distortions

Jim Warfield
08-10-2008, 07:27 PM
If a teacher stood next to me as I was taking tests in school and said,"Is this what you really meant?" (Like Gooogle)...I would have done alot better on those tests.
I think them doing that helps most of the ones looking, most of the time.