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Dark Mind
08-17-2008, 01:42 AM
a Professional Haunter?

I have been haunting for two years, this will be my third. I have done the last two years in a very old 7000 sq ft retired School (three floors), and this year I am moving the show into a 60,000 sq ft retired Hospital (four floors, using three for the Haunt)

There is one problem with all this and that is that I live in a town of less then 5000people, however I get approx 30% of the population go through my Haunt. I am also reaching much further this year with my advertising so I'm hoping the numbers will rise considerably.

So what do you think? am I in your league? not that I put that much emphasis on that, my aim is for a good show, but I would like to know.

maliciousstudios
08-17-2008, 03:05 AM
Well.... I don't know about the Big Heads, but I would consider you to be in the same class.... this aside, who cares what others think, you are doing your thing and prob. kicking aXx doing it.....

maliciousstudios
08-17-2008, 05:59 AM
Are you asking if you should be looked upon as an equal ? Or are you asking if you should be considered as a pro haunt? I mean , I would guess that most haunters can't be considered PRO unless they live soley on their earning from haunting. I mean if a basketballer goes pro he plays for a living...same with a musician, they are independent.... Atleast that's how I'd look at it.... which my opinion means squat.... I'm nobody just my opinion take it or leave it....lol

Speculo
08-17-2008, 07:25 AM
I think pro means you rent or own a building, charge admission, get inspected, have insurance, pay your staff, etc. It doesn't really relate to your attendance.

If your staff is volunteer and you donate most of your proceeds to noble causes you are generally called a charity haunt. There are haunts out there that don't pay actors and are not charities but still try to make a profit....I don't know what they would be called.

If you do it out of your home or yard and don't do most of the above stuff you are generally called a home or yard haunt.

How good the show is really doesn't relate to what type it is, except larger for profit events tend to have bigger budgets. They also have to spend lots on operations, rent and safety, so up to a point it is a wash.

As far as living off of the haunt I would think that is a VERY low percentage... Even folks that could live off the haunt usually have other things going on.

All any of us can do is the best job we can with the tools provided in the time we can spare.

Thanks!

Dark Mind
08-17-2008, 06:10 PM
Thank you for your thoughts guys, I appreciate them.

I guess I was just asking because it seems the people on this forum take this business very seriously and it would be nice to be thought of as many of you are, Pro Haunters.

I do rent a building, charge admission, get inspected, and have insurance. The difference is as you can imagine in a town this size I have a lot of friends that step in as actors. I also give a portion of admission to children in need.

As I mentioned before, of course the bottom line is the show I put on for the people. Hopefully they like it and think it was worth the admission. I am fully aware that is truly what matters.

Haunting Copy
08-20-2008, 02:17 AM
I would categorize a pro haunt as a haunt whose profits are actually that: profits.

A "charity" haunt, I believe (I could be wrong), is one which is governed by
rules for its proceeds. For example, X percentage of net proceeds would be
required to be placed in certain funds. A charity haunt is formalized by
filing as a 501(c)(3) organization.

In a "for-profit" haunt, these requirements do not exist.

Where I differ from Speculo's definition of a charity haunt is in the pay status
of the actors. To me, if you are running a for-profit haunt and the actors
choose to work for free, well, then that's their choice. It has no bearing
on what is done with the proceeds of the haunt.

As for garnering all your income from the haunt in order to be considered
pro, I would respectfully disagree with that, too. There are thousands of
freelancers and moonlighters in all kinds of industries who work for pay.
But just because they hold down more than one job does not detract
from the fact that they are professionals. :)

And the way you describe your haunt, it sounds to me like you are
definitely a pro! :D

Cheers!
Sarah

maliciousstudios
08-20-2008, 07:22 AM
Haunts aside, what does it mean to "go pro?"

I think everyone is a professional, just ask them. To me ( just my opinion ) after thinking about this since the thread started..... I think there ARE a limited amount of people who run a "pro haunt" because its hard to attain. Simply saying that if you have a yard or home haunt you are a home or yard haunter. If you have a charity haunt you are a charity haunter. If you have a haunt you are a average haunter. Finally, if you have a haunt that is beyond this and has taken it to the highest level, where you would live from the revenue generated by the haunt you would be "pro"

Going pro to me doesnt question the integrity of a professional were all professionals, we all try to act professional ( most of the time - Im retarded ) going pro to me means taking your haunt to the "highest level" one can achieve.

Haunting Copy
08-20-2008, 09:08 AM
Then you are wondering whether your haunt has reached a certain status.

The criteria has not yet been set, as we have seen in the thread
"America's Best Haunts," LOL.

But I see what you mean.

Yes, your haunt is far beyond that of a home/yard haunt. But are your
props, scares, actors, etc. of a "pro" caliber? My guess is that the answer
there is "it's relative."

If you have a seasoned eye, which has seen numerous money-collecting
haunts, then you would be better able to judge.

Have you watched some of the videos that have been posted? That
might give you some idea of where you are. If at all possible, too, go
to the nearest city one night and go through the haunts there.

Sarah

gadget-evilusions
08-20-2008, 09:20 AM
This is why I dont categorize haunts as "professional".

I split them up between,

commercial attractions, aka, for profit,

home haunts, and

charity haunts.

maliciousstudios
08-20-2008, 11:03 AM
maybe its best not to categorize haunts as pro, like gadget stated.... I guess his haunt list is a bit better. Because Pro to me seems above average, as pro should mean. which most have not achieved, if not about the money then must be about the quality.... quality meaning that not every haunt falls into this category of Pro by means of budget or abilities. So to not tarnish one feelings it is prob. better not to rate a haunt in that way. Top 13 to me is a promotional advertisement for the industry as a whole, which does ( sort of ) represent some ( not all ) of the industries best or ( pro ) The videos I had seen were very good, but most show the best parts of the haunt, its not the haunt experience. This couldnt be used to judge what haunt is better due to the fact that they are made up i.e. The Whoper or Big Mac on T.V. looks better than the one you get in the wrapper when you visit as a customer.

Even though this is the best way ( in my opinion ) to judge them, because it is impossible to visit them all and judge them before the year is over.

Ive always thought instead of trying to be the best in the nation the list should start with the best in the sate. Once becomming the best in the state the list would be narrowed down to 50. I know what your going to say, thats too many ....or who cares about 50 haunts spread across the nation.... BUT I would think that one single person at that point could view and choose who from the 50 would make the top 13.

Just my 2 cents.... ( but then again Im cRaZy )....lol

Dark Mind
08-20-2008, 11:44 AM
Haunting Copy, I'm not sure but I think you may have mistaken maliciousstudios as the one who started this thread, but it was me.

If I'm wrong, I apologize, it just seemed that way to me because of your reply.

Greg Chrise
08-20-2008, 01:13 PM
Once you have mentioned your haunted house in a shaving commercial, you are pro.

maliciousstudios
08-20-2008, 01:27 PM
lol..... "men who want the edge in the haunt idustry use Edge Pro Gel "

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/16407/300.jpg


Sometimes you're cool and contained. But other times it feels good to get into a real lather. Edge Pro Gel is dispensed as a gel, but oh, baby, look what happens when you rub it onto your face. It lathers right up for a sinfully luxurious shave. Extra lubricants allow your razor to simply glide across your face, making it especially nice for guys with sensitive skin. You need only a dab of gel per shave, so this aerosol can will last and lather for a good long time.

Quote from Richard Johnson owner of THE WORLDS SCARIEST HAUNTED ATTRACTION:

Hello Folks ! Hi my name is Richard Johnson, you may heard of me Im the owner of THE WORLDS SCARIEST HAUNTED ATTRACTION. All of us here at Malicious Manor ( THE WORLD SCARIEST HAUNTED ATTRACTION ) start every day with a good shave, and when we shave we like to stay on the edge with all we do in the haunted house industry as well as in the bathroom.
Thats why we use Edge Pro Gel..... Edge Pro Gel Helps us look and feel like a pros, it goes on smooth and helps me look smooth as we stress out over animatronics and air compressors.
We wouldnt start a season without it....get yours TODAY !!!

Haunting Copy
08-20-2008, 01:55 PM
Haunting Copy, I'm not sure but I think you may have mistaken maliciousstudios as the one who started this thread, but it was me.

If I'm wrong, I apologize, it just seemed that way to me because of your reply.


No, you're probably right. But I'm too damn tired to look, LOL.

I'm sure y'all knew what I meant . . . whatever it was I said.

zzzzzzzzz......

Haunting Copy
08-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Okay, Malicious, that shaving cream thing was too funny!

Greg Chrise
08-20-2008, 01:58 PM
That's pretty good!

Now if you will notice off in our asylum in room #2, Bob here thinks edge is so great, he has completely shaved his entire body and now thinks he is a dolfin!?! <insert Dolfin chirp>

Haunting Copy
08-20-2008, 02:21 PM
That's pretty good!

Now if you will notice off in our asylum in room #2, Bob here thinks edge is so great, he has completely shaved his entire body and now thinks he is a dolfin!?! <insert Dolfin chirp>

rotflmao!!

Jim Warfield
08-20-2008, 05:47 PM
The undefeated 1973 Dolphins?
They were all that clean shaven??
Maybe he thinks he's Gertrude Ebberly?

UnDeRTaKer313
08-20-2008, 08:54 PM
Ok heres my in put on the whole professional haunt idea.

A haunt should be considered professional if they treat there haunt as a business, and present themselves and there haunt professionally.

Also you dont need to rent a building or make a profit. As hard as it to accept there are a few home haunts that are very much professional.
For example there are buisnesses that people run out of there home that are extremely professional. There are also professional organizations that dont make a profit. There are even professional events and organizations that dont make a profit and are even considered non-profit organizations.

This means that there could be non-profit, charity, home haunts. and even quick haunts that dont rent out buildings, that should be considered proffesional.


This is the dictionary definition
"Professional-exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace"

Hope you all understand my general concept. Thank you and let me know what you think.

Kevin Dells
08-20-2008, 10:05 PM
Dark Mind,

Yes there are catagoires of many haunts, Ben Gave a great listing. But at least to me being a pro haunter is anybody that gives a huge chunck of their lives to it.

Buiding and operating a haunt is a huge peice of your time, money and devotion.

If you give up family time, miss important dates, or in my case stop fishing to build and operate or manage a haunt i think you should at least be considered a pro haunter.

Im not an owner but i have worked for two great haunts now, im most definetly one of the few that give major time to our event, Im managment, I run our make up department as well as do seminars and teach it, i run our hayride, im one of three builders, i do a lot of the set designing, i even try to get sponsorships occasionally. I fully understand the haunt bussiness. Yet i don't own the haunt.

Does that not make me a pro haunter? Because ever day i pick up a hammer or drill im thinking Pro Haunt, every time i have somebody in my chair im thinking Pro make up, everytime i teach a new kid ten different ways to work his spot im teaching him on a pro level.

So Dark Mind, Great Question. I guess it's how you look at it, is there something on your resume that graduates you to Pro Haunter? Only you will know.

The number your looking for is not how many through the door, it's how many hours it owns you!

Dark Mind
08-21-2008, 12:35 AM
Thanks for getting this back on track guys :-)

I do things in the most professional way I know how. I spend a lot of time on it, and I take pride in the final result. The feedback I get is good, to very good, so I think I'm on the right track. I have lots to learn but I am "in the game" doing what I love to do.

maliciousstudios
08-21-2008, 05:58 AM
So I guess the answer to this thread is.... yes - you would be considered a pro haunter, since everyone considers themselves and others as professional haunters. Congrats on going pro....ya made it !!!

but

then again so did everyone else.

UnDeRTaKer313
08-21-2008, 09:43 PM
Were All Pro In Our Own Way!!! Lmfao

Dark Mind
08-22-2008, 01:06 AM
So I guess the answer to this thread is.... yes - you would be considered a pro haunter, since everyone considers themselves and others as professional haunters. Congrats on going pro....ya made it !!!

but

then again so did everyone else.


Good, it's settled then :)