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screamline studios
09-02-2008, 10:39 PM
OK guys and girls are you being shafted by the skin flint owners or operators on your make up skills, are you making a couple bucks an hour only to see them walk away with all the profits(eating lobster and drinking only the finest bottle of wine) to me i have a huge problem with this!!!! If anyone out there thinks they deserve more stand up for yourself.........And larry k. you dont count. Because everyone knows if you dont like the post you just delete it!!!


Jason Blaszczak

http://screamlinestudios.com

p.s Please keep in mind i opened up the price scale to see were everyone/ including the haunt owners would be at.

Nightgore
09-03-2008, 05:09 AM
Not paid by hour... I think it's smarter for a haunt to pay a flat pay nightly with cash bonuses. That's our approach for not only make-up artist, but actors, front of house, managers, etc. etc. -Tyler

graystone
09-03-2008, 06:45 AM
First let me say LMAO Larry K! Ok I got my laugh out! Go easy on Larry Jason! Ok I think pay should be by the hour and I think the pay should reflect the experience of the artist! I don't see an artist with less than a year of experience getting the same pay as one of oh lets say of 10 years!

Tyler lets hope when you grow up and go out in the real world to make a living that you don't get paid a flat rate! Artist are just like any other profession what the hell makes you think they should get a flat rate and the rest of the world gets paid by the hour!! Tyler thanks for insulting Jason and the rest of the make up artist out there! Way to go I don't think Larry can help you out of the hole you just dug for yourself this time!

Jason and the rest of you make up artist that bings the world of haunting and horror alive and in my opinion one of the most important! Pay no attention to Tyler hes young and often opens his mouth without thinking! Shane and its getting paid by the hour Shane this time!

KroneDaddy
09-03-2008, 06:58 AM
I usually make about… what, make-up? Oh, I thought you said make-out artist.

Sorry

You couldn't afford me anyway.

KDaddy

Nightgore
09-03-2008, 07:36 AM
Shane,

Our artist are paid $35 a night... no matter if you work 2 hours or 8... with a $500 end of haunt bonus. So...

Let's say you worked all operating nights (15 nights) , that's $525... and with the end of haunt bonus... it's $1025!!! We also have stuff like free food/drink, free tickets, end of season party, free shirts, etc. etc. etc. That's not to bad for only 15 nights of work!

Also, work up a deal with a local colleges theater dept. and see if you can't give college credit to theater students who come and work! This could range from make-up all the way to set design and contruction!

From a business stand point, no seasonal haunt should be able to feasably (did I spell that right?) pay $25 an hour for a make-up artist... if so, they'd better be damn good and do ALL the actors in a fair amount of time!

-Tyler

gadget-evilusions
09-03-2008, 08:45 AM
tyler, our makeup artists were paid the same way, flat rate for the season. So Shane, why not back off tyler, he is paying his artists better than we ever did. They are contracted at the begining of the season to show up for 16 nights, do makeup for 3 hours a night, and go home, or do the other job they have at the haunt, such as managing one of the attractions. I dont see how being paid a flat rate for a specific amount of worked time is an insult to them unless it works out to being like $1 an hour or something. If tylers make up artists get paid $1025, and work 2 hours a night for the 16 nights being open, that's $21 an hour. That's not bad for a professional anything.

Of course everyone in any industry, especially artists always deserve more than they are making, but, if an attraction can't afford to pay $30 an hour to every make up artist, is it better to just not open the haunt, or still have the haunt and have people who love what they do working for you that don't mind working the love of it, and $10. Right now I would work for free just to have an attraction to work at since ours closed.

mindtumor
09-03-2008, 08:56 AM
First let me say LMAO Larry K! Ok I got my laugh out! Go easy on Larry Jason! Ok I think pay should be by the hour and I think the pay should reflect the experience of the artist! I don't see an artist with less than a year of experience getting the same pay as one of oh lets say of 10 years!

Tyler lets hope when you grow up and go out in the real world to make a living that you don't get paid a flat rate! Artist are just like any other profession what the hell makes you think they should get a flat rate and the rest of the world gets paid by the hour!! Tyler thanks for insulting Jason and the rest of the make up artist out there! Way to go I don't think Larry can help you out of the hole you just dug for yourself this time!

Jason and the rest of you make up artist that bings the world of haunting and horror alive and in my opinion one of the most important! Pay no attention to Tyler hes young and often opens his mouth without thinking! Shane and its getting paid by the hour Shane this time!

Well Shane, hopefully when you grow up and go out into the real world you will learn about salaried workers and contract workers that get paid a flat rate to do a job. They do have those in Alabama don't they?

lurker
09-03-2008, 11:06 AM
Our make-up artist receive one ample portion of gruel every evening. It is served hot, and their choice of one condiment from our selection of salt, pepper, or butter. Make-up artist that do an excellent job, and stand out above all the others do not have to suffer the daily motivational beatings. Most make-up artist only escape that once or twice per season. The competition to avoid the motivational beatings becomes quite fierce. Other artists will often sabotage who ever escapes the beating, so that they stand a better chance of escaping it the following night. Over all it is a pretty sweet deal for our make-up people.
However there are a few bad apples that slack off every season. Those I deal with personally by punching them in the face. A few hard blows to the face one night really improves their over all skill and speed the next night. Of course that is just the way I work. I’m a hands on kind of haunt owner. Yes, I swill champagne and eat caviar, but I keep the little people that make my haunt work happy as well. You can ask any one of my people, and they will tell you that they are very happy with our arrangement. If any of them has a complaint, when you talk to them, please let me know their name. I will see to it personally that I make them happy again. That is just the caring haunt owner I am.
I have to run know. My private jet has just finished refueling, and I got a lunch date in Paris…France, not Texas. I’m still trying to spend all of last years profits to make room for this years money in my vault. Haunted house ownership is tough. Sometimes I wish I was just a make-up artist.

drfrightner
09-03-2008, 11:40 AM
I think they should be paid set amounts per night, I don't actually like this poll because there should be more options than those three. For one pay should be based on what the person brings to the table now someone as generic as this poll.

If you are talking about Rick Baker well no price would be enough, if you are talking about someone who has movie experience or movie make up skills we're talking about another level of pay. If you are talking about someone who runs the whole department opposed to someone who just shows up and starts applying make up again another pay rate. If you live in LA opposed to North Dakota again another difference... everything goes into the figure from cost to living, supply and demand, skill level and responsibility.

I would pay someone a lot more or a lot less based on the who, the what, and the where... each case is unique and different.

Jason your skills could be on another planet, you may be able to manage the whole operation costumes and all and your value could be worth double, triple the next guy.

Every situation is different and ever so called make up artist had much different skills than the next guy.

I'm sure all would agree.

Larry

drfrightner
09-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Shane,

I'm sorry to everyone for taking this off topic but I just have to ask...why is it no matter what the thread is around here, whether I post or I don't post, every post you make has to somehow include my name, or references to me. Do you love me, or are you obsessed with me or what?

People are trying to discuss a pay scale for make up artists and you use my name like 3 or 4 times for some reason. What is your deal? Can you respect a thread a good one about something that isn't about you or me?

Lets try to stick to the topic and leave me out of your rants. Please.

Larry

mindtumor
09-03-2008, 01:51 PM
I thought I was the only one that noticed that. Shane does kind of sound like a jealous girl sometimes when he is making fun of Tyler.

Killer Katie
09-03-2008, 02:00 PM
I am torn between hourly and flat rate.
As a make up artist who works pretty fast and generates quality haunt makeup (toot! Did you you hear my horn??? LOL) if I was paid the same hourly wage as another slower, equally talented artist - I would be ticked. Same would go for a flat rate across the board.
I would favor a flat rate with set hours, and pay reflecting talent level.
Another thing to consider is speed AND talent. You may have an excellent artist that does 5 makeup jobs per night that kick ass, and you may have another artist, still kick ass, rockin the haunt makeup and can bust out 10 jobs. pay need to commissurate with both factors.

Damn Jason, I never knew you could be so thought provoking!
(And if you have any jobs you need help with this season, call me! :) )

hauntedhousenut
09-03-2008, 02:07 PM
I would go with a flat rate, if it was a large volume haunt I would pay an above average makeup artist $150. minimum

graystone
09-03-2008, 02:33 PM
Get off the fourms and help Bill hes having to do all the work! Larry yes I am obsessed with you what can I say! Now here in Alabama and Paul at Atrox will tell you the same we pay our makup artist 75.00 per hour and I think Paul pays 100 or even more per hour to do the main chatacters! Also there is a 2500.00 bonus at the end! Yall do the math.

Now unless your smoking crack my point here was if your a good makeup artist you should get paid like one. You can pay a makup person 5 or 10 bucks an hour and I say person because no good make up artist will work for less than 50.00 an hour and even at that price thats way cheap! So if ya want to give them milk and cookies fine with me but if you want a good artist like say Jason or David Flesh or Robin Patterson just to name a few then pay these people what they are worth! Shane and its I am proud to pay my makup artist good Shane this time!

Nightgore
09-03-2008, 03:40 PM
$75 an hour? I just, well, I don't believe that at all! If I were to pay a make-up artist that, well, my make-up better look something like this:

Nightgore
09-03-2008, 03:41 PM
... and not this:

Nightgore
09-03-2008, 03:43 PM
... but to each there own I guess. Everyone will run their show the way they see fit. I for one will stick with contract based work, working with college theater students, etc. etc.

One thing we are going to do is prepaint ALL of our prosthetics, that way our make-up crew just has to glue them down and hide the edges... something that, really, ANYBODY can do! -Tyler

screamlinestudios
09-03-2008, 04:13 PM
Not to be a D1CK but, if you expect to get paid high salaries in the Haunt Industry, you're in the wrong business. Makeup artists who make a lot of money work in the Movie Industry. (Hollywood, not "B" Movies or Indy Films).

No offense to anyone, but my experience has proven that most (not all) haunted houses pay as little as possible to get by with a decent haunt. It's those HH that take it to the next level to be big shows that have the cash to pay more. It doesn't mean the haunts that pay less are crappy, just that they find ways to cut costs to keep profitable.

I guess I'm just saying if you are a makeup artist in the Haunt Industry, your chances of making a decent salary during the haunt season isn't all that great, although of course there are exceptions as mentioned in this very thread.

That leads me to another point, as long as talented people are willing to give away their talents for little money, there isn't much a talented makeup artist that isn't willing to give their talents away for little money can do about it.

It's like any other industry, the price is whatever the local market will bare. If there is a ton of talent in an area willing to work for cheap, you either have to accept the price or move to a place that has better opportunities.

For some odd reason, I've often found that very artistically talented people give their services away. Maybe it has something to do with getting experience, lack of self confidence, just doing it for fun, ego boosting, or something I don't quite understand. As long as other people continue to take advantage of that fact, then all the polls and complaining in the world won't make it any better.

That's all for now - thanks for reading.

Speculo
09-03-2008, 04:57 PM
The important thing is to treat ALL of your staff with respect. Treat them like professionals, pay them what you can (and what the market will stand) make sure they are prepared for the tasks ahead, and make sure they are safe.

We do everything a charity does ( Parties, rewards, year round gatherings, awards, etc.) AND we pay them, but most of all, it is a seasonal job. If they are not having a good time and you are yelling at them, they will not give you 100%, that is if they even show up.

No matter how many nice sets or giant monsters you have, the staff and the actors are what matters the most. ONE rude, nasty, angry employee can and will ruin the best haunt ever made.

Money matters, but in Haunted Houses there are a lot of things that matter even more...

Focus on your entire staff, including your make-up staff, and you will already be ahead of the game.

Thanks!

graystone
09-03-2008, 05:29 PM
I said" MAIN"! READ WHAT I SAID "MAIN"! YOUR pics to discrdit me has done nothing but show you stole a photo off a site that has a copyright. And I am sure they did not give you permssion! Never the less you little snot nose little P***K your getting bolder by the minute. Larry I suggest you deal with him before I am forced to! As far as you believing me I could give a rats ass if you do or don't again visit us then come back and try your shit! !. Larry word of advice your boy has posted a picture without the owners concent I am pretty sure! Deal with him you created him. Larry me and you need to have a serious talk and not one where you call and say listen Shane! My views and yours are very different and I will continue to agree to disagree with you on views in somewhat of a professional manner your groupies is another thing!

Jason my friend sadly your right! It seems no matter how much experience you have you still cant get the edge in the Haunt Industry! Any way Jason all you good boys will someday get your weight in cash! Hang in there! Shane and its Larry I warned ya Shane this time.

dr0zombie
09-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Tyler, those photos took a HELL of a lot longer to do than might be implied by your post. Its not Dawn of the Dead or Hell Boy, its a haunted house. You only have a few hours...


I will say this, about the two "bad" examples. The both of them look like they are into their characters and having fun. If that girls screams bloody murder in the dark she is going to scare a lot more people than captain pecks saying, "watch me flex my muscles". No matter how good the makeup...... makeup is about WAY more than looks..... its about making the living part of the show work!

graystone
09-03-2008, 06:57 PM
I never thought about it like that! But man you really hit the nail on the head! Well put and a Great point! Thanks for making me see that. Shane and its I wish I thought of that Shane this time!

screamline studios
09-03-2008, 08:07 PM
I am sure there are many make-up artists out there that have busted there ass over the years only to be taken advantage of by the owner, this is were you need to stand up for yourself, and all make-up artists and be payed what you are worth, keep in mind you are hired for a job, a job the owner could not or has no time to do. I like many spent most of my life becoming a decent artist going to college after college only to see the tightwads make the money and prosper off us suckers who love what we do and as steve said giving away our talent. I guess what i am trying to say is being taken advantage of should be a thing of the past move forward grow and make some DAMN MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason Blaszczak

http://screamlinestudios.com

mindtumor
09-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Get off the fourms and help Bill hes having to do all the work! Larry yes I am obsessed with you what can I say! Now here in Alabama and Paul at Atrox will tell you the same we pay our makup artist 75.00 per hour and I think Paul pays 100 or even more per hour to do the main chatacters! Also there is a 2500.00 bonus at the end! Yall do the math.

Now unless your smoking crack my point here was if your a good makeup artist you should get paid like one. You can pay a makup person 5 or 10 bucks an hour and I say person because no good make up artist will work for less than 50.00 an hour and even at that price thats way cheap! So if ya want to give them milk and cookies fine with me but if you want a good artist like say Jason or David Flesh or Robin Patterson just to name a few then pay these people what they are worth! Shane and its I am proud to pay my makup artist good Shane this time!

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard you say.

hauntedhousenut
09-04-2008, 11:37 PM
No wonder we see more of you and less of Bill, HE'S DOING ALL THE WORK!
Jared trust me now is not the time to slack off, get in there and give a hand.

jack
09-05-2008, 11:36 AM
I take the pay the haunt gives me. It's markedly less than I charge otherwise. Why?

Because the haunt lets me do something I love--scare people. In realtime.

Movie work, while lucrative, doesn't do that. Nor does random work I get.

Would I like more? Sure, who wouldn't?

But here's how it works.

The makeup crew has 2-2.5 hours to get everyone made up. There's 8-10 of us and 45-50 actors. About 5-10 characters are 'icons', the rest, except for 5 'breakers' are room themed. The breakers get makeups that depend on who they're breaking. Okay?

So you've got 4-6 actors to make up, one icon, 3-4 room themed, and 1 breaker.

How much would YOU pay me? I've done 4 indy flicks(3 makeup heavy), 2 s/f shorts, a whole helluvalot of fandom headpieces, prosthetics and whatnot. Last year, at the haunt, I was asked to make the Juggernaut from 13 Ghosts--which I'd never seen. It's a pretty intricate makeup. I built it from random foam pieces, single ply TP, liquid latex and makeup(including some of my own formulation) right on the face of the actor who wanted it--from a black and white printout.

So I can improvise.

My stuff has been taken for real injuries in two local hospitals.

I could probably make more if I focused solely on the non-scare side of the business, but then I wouldn't be able to make you scream.

screamline studios
09-05-2008, 07:40 PM
Jack.

For years any make up that i applied was beauty make up or male corrective make up so i can definitly relate, but in the long run i think it makes you a better artist. As you look at this poll seeing the five dollar mark being second on the poll doesnt it just boil your ass over with anger!!! it makes you want to say screw it and just focus in on movies..

Jason Blaszczak

http://screamlinestudios.com

SHELDON
09-06-2008, 09:32 AM
Heaven isn't "getting paid" for your work. Heaven is when you order a six piece nuggets and they give you seven... and a switchblade! But seriously folks, I wouldn't disclose the intimate details of my agreement with Dream Reapers on here but I will say that my pay rate reflects my knowledge, training and experience. Can I borrow ten bucks?

maddi005
09-06-2008, 12:20 PM
can someone give sheldon 10 bucks so he can pay me the money he owes me from last night...lol...

maddi ~:)

Infoamtek
09-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Sheldon, does that mean you're having to pay THEM to work there? LOL

actiondeath
09-06-2008, 10:02 PM
LOL @ "Captain Pecks". Hahahahahaha... "Come with me if you want to live!"

geoffgbeck
10-21-2008, 02:14 AM
Personally, I feel that when you start doing makeup at a haunt (between 1 and 3 years) you are developing your skills, and you have to take what you can get as far as money goes. But, when you hit the 4 year mark (assuming you have been honing your skills that whole time), when you are getting pretty good with blending, speed, and a high ratio of quality vs. quantity makeup jobs, then you can and should expect between $30.00 and $50.00 per night, or something that equals that value (i.e., roaming perks, que-line preference, free food, etc.). Having said this, I know some people may think my figures seem high, and to be honest, I never got that when I had 4 years of makeup training. But, my point here is that "you have to sell your abilities to the interested party (haunt owner) and gage what their position in the industry is." If they are a bigger haunt (with say 60-80 actors), and, or are in a large market with lots of customers, then that should be taken into consideration. I think a lot seasoned makeup artists like myself and Jason Blaszczak are sick of trying to "sell" our makeup abilities to haunt operators (with deep pockets) who are only into this to make "big" money and don't fully appreciate or understand how much passion, skill, time, and diligence it takes to be really great and diverse at doing makeup. Being able to keep up the "standard" of makeup when it comes to quality vs. quantity is the key to what allows one to be confident in negotiating with haunt owners in getting what they are "worth." To be honest, I am getting to the point after acting and doing makeup for over 15 years, that if a newer haunt owner wants me to come out, then they have to pay me decent. I now have acted and done makeup for enough haunts who's owners know my abilities and respect what I do, that I don't have to "slum" just to do what I love. There are only 5 to 6 weekends in the season, and more than that amount of haunt owners that know and trust what I can do and deliver. But, you have to PAY YOUR DUES! In my opinion, anyone who does makeup for 3 years or under in the haunt industry is just a "baby" when it comes to experience. It is the maturity and experience of someone who has 7-15 of experience who truly understands that statement. "You can't expedite time in the trenches and the shear number of hours it takes to be refined as a makeup artist." A lot of people think that they are "great", but until someone can say that they have done over 300-500 makeup jobs, they are just beginners in my opinion. Having said this, though, if you have been doing makeup for at least 3 years and are devoted to "cranking out" as many as you can each night, then there is no reason why you shouldn't get paid "something", because when there is a "learned skill" involved in creating a "product", then there should be money in return to the person who spent the time in developing that "learned skill." Just my thoughts, thanks for listening.