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drfrightner
10-15-2008, 10:37 PM
The last debate is over and McCain beat Obama hands down... now its off the voters box. Who are you voting for?

Let me say this as you decide... Obama is bad for the haunted house industry as he wants to raise taxes on small business, any business making over $250,000.00. Most haunts that are making this their year around haunts are making over $250,000.00, this will hurt the haunted house industry.

Small business employ over 80% of all American workers. Forget the fact that Obama is friends with Rev. Wright who condems white America, and hates America, or that Obama's wife said she's never been pround of America, or that Obama his political career was started in the home of a well known American radical and terrorist John Ayres, or that he's never lifted a finger to help his brother who lives in a hut in Africa on $1.00 per month, forget all that...

Just think about what his tax rates will do to small business' like ours... The Democrats control the house, the senate, and well can you imagine the White House. Democrates are all about bigger government, higher taxes and more pork spending than anyone.

You may not think this is a haunt issue but it IS A HAUNT ISSUE!

Who you vote for will impact your business for the next four years.

I VOTE MCCAIN!

Larry

Nightgore
10-15-2008, 10:41 PM
Either one, we're going to the same place:

-the North American Union
-Martial law is coming
-one "new" currency, the Amero
-NAFTA
-Socializing of american debt... this is socialism
-Bigger push for the NWO
-etc
-etc
-etc


I say... VOTE THIRD PARTY!!! I'm so sick of this two party system!


REVOLUTION!!!

-Tyler

drfrightner
10-15-2008, 10:45 PM
I don't totally disagree with you but you really have no choice at this point, you have to pick one...and McCain is the better choice, maybe not the best choice but the best choice for this Country and for this industry.

Larry

screamline studios
10-15-2008, 10:49 PM
Obama for me!!! at least at this moment.

Jason

screamline studios
10-15-2008, 10:51 PM
Tyler could be right here!!!!!

Jason

Nightgore
10-15-2008, 10:58 PM
Just Google it all... look up anything I mentioned... you'll see! It's like our economy right now... it's not "just happening" it's ORCHESTRATED!!! That's all I'll say on that! -Tyler

lurker
10-15-2008, 11:03 PM
I vote to keep political crap off this board. I know it is the season for every retard with a soap box to spew politcal retoric, but for the love of sanity please lets keep this about haunting not political spinning. I get all the scares I need from my haunt.

screamline studios
10-15-2008, 11:04 PM
Does anyone wonder why on our US currency we have a piramid ?????? it goes back to what tyler said "NWO" new world order?????

Jason

screamline studios
10-15-2008, 11:08 PM
Louis even us haunters should care about the US of A and granted it is not haunt related but very important none the less!!!!!!!!!!

Jason Blaszczak

http://screamlinestudios.com

drfrightner
10-15-2008, 11:09 PM
Louis,

Hey you are right but at the same time who becomes the next President will effect your business. Its one of those things that is just something that comes with the terroritory. You can't open your haunt without city officials taking the fun our of your haunt...blah, blah.

We as an industry have to look at how one of these two will affect our business.

Larry

elswarro
10-16-2008, 07:45 AM
I vote to keep political crap off this board. I know it is the season for every retard with a soap box to spew politcal retoric, but for the love of sanity please lets keep this about haunting not political spinning. I get all the scares I need from my haunt.

i totally agree.....being a vet of 2 wars (somalia and iraq), i will have to get into a heated debate. Its in my blood. I rather not do that here........lets stick to haunting and not how "the great empire is crumbling"

31Halloween31
10-16-2008, 07:57 AM
I voted McMain!

Darkangel
10-16-2008, 08:46 AM
Michelle Obama is an elitist, and a major racist.

This is America, everyone should be talking about the election, even on boards like these I'm sure we're not the only ones....


Darkangel

Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 08:49 AM
Michelle Obama is an elitist, and a major racist.

This is America, everyone should be talking about the election, even on boards like these I'm sure we're not the only ones....


Darkangel


There are plenty of boards out there dedicated to the subject. Larry said himself he wanted to keep the boards positive - at least until the end of the season. Then we'll have three whole days to argue. Yay!

Sarah

MMManiac
10-16-2008, 08:57 AM
McCain all the way! Can't Stand Obama

Smiley
10-16-2008, 09:37 AM
I vote to keep political crap off this board.

I second that.

SSP
10-16-2008, 09:48 AM
Usually political topics get me pretty cranked up, this is a touchy subject.

But these political conspiracy theories, I am totally fascinated by them. I've done a lot of reading, from things like the New World Order to the meetings at the Bohemian Club, listening to David Icke (with a grain of salt, of course), just crazy crazy stuff.

Nothing is what it seems

JamBam
10-16-2008, 10:51 AM
Since you insist on bringing politics into this world.

Your statements show your needing to spend more time investigating the issues and not taking the emails from McCain's team verbatum. I am receiving emails from both teams. It is amazing how Obama's ideas are copied by McCain and how McCain is so NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE !!!!!!

Obama's plan is to increase taxes from 36 to 39% on anyone netting $ 250,000. That is reporting $ 250,000 dollars as taxable income, NOT grossing 250k! The rest of the ( 95 % ) population that don't own one of America's scariest 13 haunts won't see an increase in taxes. I am sure that the scariest 13 can pay some tax accountant and lawyer to make sure they get around that. Us little guys can't afford them.

And don't tell me the Republicans are Pro life and against abortion. W Bush had congress on both sides for six years and NEVER was legislation introduced to outlaw abortion. They only want to use it as a wedge in politics to sway voters and Carl Rove did a splendid job helping W last time in using guns, gays, and God to steal votes from the real issues. I believe we need to address abortion, but not illogically.


Yes Larry, it is about MONEY. And I don't think either of us can really afford to be Republicans. I remember twenty years ago, both sides agreed that a person had to make $80,000 per year to benefit from the Republican platform. And we all know that number is probably higher than 250K these days.

McCain did a good job last night in attacking and trying to put words in Obama's mouth, but Obama really is the one talking about issues.

We can drill for tons more oil, but it is like giving a drunk more alcohol, you just end up with a drunk. We need to race to solar and wind power like T Boone Pickens is proposing and Obama is talking about. McCain is giving recent lip service, but he voted AGAINST nearly all those ideas the last few years.

Sarah Palin is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Condeleeza Rice would have been the right choice, there. It is unbelievable how the republicans are attempting to reach the blue collar vote. Joe the plumber needs to be careful McCain doesn't abuse him. Joe the plumber knows how many houses he owns, probably one, not seven, eight, err see my people. Sarah Palin is really so demographically Democrat is is stunning. She hunts and guts moose! She snowmobiles and her husband works for a living. her daughter is seventeen and pregnant. She also uses her power UNETHICALLY.

And since Palin and McCain want to drag mud into it, why did Cindy McCain's family insist on a prenuptial agreement in 1983? Because McCain was cheating on his wife, divorced her in order to marry Cindy. And he dated strippers before that. A few years ago, McCain was highlighted in the Vegasa papers as a big gambler.


I don't want to gamble on him. We have had eight years of record spending and taxe increases. And it wasn't the Democrats doing it. When the deficit is lowest, unemployment is lowest. And Carter and Clinton's years are proof of that. Check out this link for some data on it. http://www.ibew.org/legislative/W080714_JustFacts.pdf

It is the economy we need to get going, not more defense companies and oil guys like W's friends have done to us for eight years.

97 % voting with W shows how much they agree on. No more of the same!!

Go Obama, and young people get out and VOTE. Take back America!!!!

Nightgore
10-16-2008, 11:15 AM
Obama is a socialist, simple as that! Read this:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party


He's also endorsed by the Communist Party of America:

http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/975/


Don't forget that Obama is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, or the CFR, Google it/Youtube it! He's just a PUPPET, just like McCain, pushing for the NWO and the NAU/NAFTA...

Don't come cryin' when your liberties are completely taken away, our constitution is destroyed, and America becomes Nazi Germany... it's happening, just read your history and LEARN!!!!

Vote third party!

REVOLUTION!!!! -Tyler

BrainDonor13
10-16-2008, 12:29 PM
They are ALL just puppets/tools. Does anyone really think that the president makes any real choices?

And I totally get what Brett is saying. With just being over the poverty line and doing the best that I can to haunt what little space I own (my yard), I can't afford to be taxed any more...and that's in my REAL life. I'm not a business owner, of course. I'm just the "little guy" trying to survive.

These days it's not about voting FOR a candidate. It's about voting AGAINST the one you don't want. Lesser of two evils, and all that jazz.

Still, no matter what you do, JUST VOTE (and now get off the computer and go haunt something for cryin' out loud!)

Killer Katie
10-16-2008, 12:36 PM
Aren't ALL presidents puppets? And if you don't think so you are blind.
I personally think that we can't afford, as a nation, to have another 4 yrs of the same crap that has been flung by our resident moron, George W. I think we need a change in the way that this country is run.
Unfortunatley, this is playing out to be a black/ white thing, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. It's a shame that we still have this rampant running of racism (on both the black to white, and white to black side) in the year 2008.
I venture a guess that the majority of those supporting their candidates are only doing so because of their color.
There's also the issue of money. Rich people like McCain, Obama speaks to the middle class. In the end, it will still be politics and we all know how corrupt the system is.
I support Obama because I don't think our country can withstand another 4 yrs of Bush... um... McCain.

MMManiac
10-16-2008, 12:41 PM
Brett you make me laugh out loud. Seriously you did. But everyone has their opinions on how the country should be ran and whatís best for the country. I hate to admit to it but for once I agree with Larry 100% on this issue.

As for everyone who said politics should be kept off this forum. Voting for the president is one of the most important decisions we make as Americans. There are so many uninformed people, Iím sure including some on these forums that we need to talk about the issues and express our views.

UndeadProd
10-16-2008, 12:43 PM
You know, I was really anticipating and hoping for a legitimate debate between candidates this year ... I have tremendous respect and admiration for both candidates, honestly -- and unlike previous elections, I don't find myself actively despising one of the candidates.

But, unfortunately, this election has slid right back into the usual routine of hyperbole and hype == and for that I blame the lobbyists, the parties, the consultants, and all the other folks who make serious $$ by working within the election system.

Instead of real conversations about issues and policies, it's degraded right back into the usual "where's his flag pin?" vs "that old guy hates the internet" goofiness.

lurker
10-16-2008, 12:46 PM
You guys are all wrong. McCain is controlled by a consortium of necromancers, and Obama is in bed with lobbyist from Alpha Centauri.
Ask yourself, Is John McCain the same man he was when he ran for president 8 years ago? No, he is not. Why? He died shortly after his defeat in 2000. He was then reanimated with an agenda more in line with the conservative republican party. This has to be the work of adept necromancers! You would have to be blind not to see that scary fact.
And, the quintessential question haunting the Obama campaign isÖ.Where did he come from? Well, Iíll tell you. He is a human hybrid from Alpha Centauri. He has been programmed to be appealing and rational, so that he can seize power. Once in office he plans on enacting IFTA- the Interstellar Free Trade Agreement. Then the Centauri will crush us with their extremely low priced imports made in their galactic sweatshops that enslave aborted fetuses to make cheap products. We canít compete with that!!!! You know this is true. Have you seen those ears Obama sports? Those are antennas used to signal the home world!
So, in short we are all screwed. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

drfrightner
10-16-2008, 01:40 PM
I do want to keep the boards positive, and I'm not looking to get into a BASH fest about who you want to vote for... but this is an ISSUE, and ISSUE for the future of your business.

There is no reason to turn it negative and as I've said in the past there is nothing wrong with a debate on any issue, it just doesn't have to get personal which is when it becomes negative.

I'm not attacking anyone for their opinions about voting for Obama or Frank for that matter...

The next four years based on who becomes your President will in fact have a major impact on your SMALL business.

Now Jam Bam... didn't you listen to what McCain said?????? During this environment when all business is bad WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO RAISE ANYONES TAXES???

Obama said clear as day that 'Joe the Plumber' taxes will be raised and that money will be disbursed to others. Once again, the Democrats are all about handouts, not opportunities. A job is an opportunity, a value. A handout is worthless. McCain knows this.

If ANYONE VOTES FOR OBAMA you are voting to HURT DAMAGE the haunted house industry for SURE!

Many of our vendors, and haunt owners gross over $250,000.00 per year and McCain has made a VOW NOT TO RAISE YOUR TAXES!

Vote McCain!

Larry

PS: I know we can ALL SAY we don't like McCain, we don't like Obama they're both bad, lets pick someone else. The fact is though you have to take the lessor of two evils, if you like neither, and there is no doubt that if you own a small business the lesser of two evils is McCain. Obama WILL RAISE TAXES that is your money that you earned going to someone else for NOTHING.

Smiley
10-16-2008, 01:45 PM
PS: Benjamin Franklin once defined insanity as doind the same thing over and over, but expecting different results!

Actually it was Albert Einstein who said that, not Franklin. :p

Patti Ludwinski
10-16-2008, 02:17 PM
First, I want to say....Lurker, you crack my shitt up!!!! Loved reading your post. It was a bit off the deap end, but you're probably right in many respects.

Now, as for McCain being rich and Obama speaking to the middle/lower classes....BULL! Obama is a rich dude too. Maybe not as rich as McCain (or should I say McCain's wife, not necessarily McCain). But, at least McCain and his wife give to the poor, adopt the less fortunate, go on mission trips, and LOVE America. Cindy McCain can be compared to someone like Angelina Jolie. They are good (rich) people who GIVE and GIVE to help those less fortunate.

I cannot say the same for Obama. Obama and his wife seemingly hate America, have connections with too many ill-choiced people and organization who hate America, and give less than 1% of their income to charity (...oh and that 1% went to a white racist church for that matter).

If this election comes down to racism, that is pretty sad. But racism goes both ways and Obama shows more racist tendencies then any presidential candidate I've ever seen. He attends a church for 20+ years that preaches on a regular bases that God should'nt "bless" America, God should "damnn" America. This same church preaches American gov't conspiracy theories like (1) our gov't launched AIDS as a form a genocide against the black population, and (2) our gov't enacted the 3 strike policy against drugs to get black people off the streets. And, this church preaches on a regular basis to this black congregation not to ever forget 'you were once enslaved and you are owed'.

Now, I would love to see a black person president. I think that would be truly great for our country and for our world. However, It's absolutely SCARY to think of Obama as our next president.

Finally, I just want to point out that the Democratic party always says they're for "change,". BULL! Through the years, the only one party who's truly been for change and that's Republicans. Anytime there's an Independant trying to run on the ticket, does that person split the D vote or the R vote?...The R vote. This is because Republican Americans DO want change. Democrats don't.

I want change, which is why I'm voting for McCain...GO MCCAIN!!!!!

Smiley
10-16-2008, 02:27 PM
You stole my thunder, Smiley. :(

Sarah

Bwahahahahahaha- I mean, oops, my bad. :)

drfrightner
10-16-2008, 02:47 PM
Tyler,

I would vote third party myself if they could find another Ross who would actually have a chance to win. Right now voting third party is throwing away your vote. One day if they can find another firecracker who can worm his way to the debates then you are talking a whole different story.

Larry

hauntedhousenut
10-16-2008, 03:03 PM
You guys are all wrong. McCain is controlled by a consortium of necromancers, and Obama is in bed with lobbyist from Alpha Centauri.
Ask yourself, Is John McCain the same man he was when he ran for president 8 years ago? No, he is not. Why? He died shortly after his defeat in 2000. He was then reanimated with an agenda more in line with the conservative republican party. This has to be the work of adept necromancers! You would have to be blind not to see that scary fact.
And, the quintessential question haunting the Obama campaign isÖ.Where did he come from? Well, Iíll tell you. He is a human hybrid from Alpha Centauri. He has been programmed to be appealing and rational, so that he can seize power. Once in office he plans on enacting IFTA- the Interstellar Free Trade Agreement. Then the Centauri will crush us with their extremely low priced imports made in their galactic sweatshops that enslave aborted fetuses to make cheap products. We canít compete with that!!!! You know this is true. Have you seen those ears Obama sports? Those are antennas used to signal the home world!
So, in short we are all screwed. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.


Sorry, but McCain is far from the conservative base.

JamBam
10-16-2008, 03:36 PM
It is NOT $250,000 GROSS, but net taxable income. Much different scenario. Much larger gross needed to get to that number. McCain seems to have a reality problem, too.

I agree with you that no one's taxes should be raised in these times or any times.

Now, about those handouts. George W Bush's Treasury Secretary (Paulson for you 77% that doesn't know his name) just got 700 BILLION, yes BILLION in handouts approved by congress and signed by W into law for the richest companies and people in America to save us all!!!! And how about AIG's $ 400,000 party, huh! Nice handout there. Course people want to call that a perk, instead.

The estimate today for W's deficit this year was just raised from a record 450 Billion dollars to over a TRILLION ! In one year! Even the most conservative of Republican writers were voicing their displeasure with W a couple of years ago in his spending mode, with higher taxes called for by them to pay for it.

Look it up, Clinton had the lowest unemployment rate of the last five presidents, a suplus budget four of eight years, and reformed welfare. No one seems to remember slick Willie did more than Monica!

I am a conservative Democrat at heart. In my community, (Dan Quayle's hometown- 80% Republican) back in 2000, they proposed three new schools and a additional gym at the high school. There was much discussion and the old timers called for building what they could afford, slowly, but the attorney for the schools had the admin and board convinced that the newly elected (never had an elected before then) would stop the building projects. The last appointed board had to approve them and the bonds sale before the last meeting before the elected board took over. Property taxes nearly doubled in this county in four years. And that attorney, he made somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-4 million dollars (legally) from the bond sale.


Congrats Larry, you most likely are in that net income bracket.

But, McCain votes against Joe the plumber every time, just check his voting record. And now we find out that Joe the plumber is not really legally a plumber, but would be considered a plumbers helper. But at $40 grand per year, he's doing pretty good. Until the country becomes a "Right to Work for LESS" state like Arizona. Those are the states whose workers, like Joe the plumber's helper, make on average $ 102 less per week than those states that are not "Right to Work for LESS".

Larry, when I get to the $ 250,000 net income level, I won't want my taxes increased, but in the top 3 %, I think I'll be able to get by.

And for the notion all politicians are whatever, I think the lobbyists have cut off the American public from their representatives with their money. SAD.

But I respect every one's opinion and urge all to VOTE! That is something every citizen should do.

Jordan24
10-16-2008, 03:42 PM
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Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 04:12 PM
As far as Obama's income tax plan. Only about 55% of American even pay income taxes.


Can you please cite the source of this claim?

Thanks,
Sarah

WeAreTheUnion
10-16-2008, 04:36 PM
Can you please cite the source of this claim?

Thanks,
Sarah

I would be interested in seeing that as well, sounds like bs to me.

Patti Ludwinski
10-16-2008, 04:39 PM
"When we combine the populations of non-payers and non-filers and look to see what overall percentage of each group is not paying taxes, we find that: 50.7 percent of African American households pay no income taxes, 35.5 percent of Asian American households do not, 37.6 percent of White American households do not, and roughly 52 percent of Hispanics pay no income taxes. "

This data is based on 2004 tax information... http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/542.html

Read more truths at http://www.taxfoundation.org/

---Patti

WeAreTheUnion
10-16-2008, 05:06 PM
"When we combine the populations of non-payers and non-filers and look to see what overall percentage of each group is not paying taxes, we find that: 50.7 percent of African American households pay no income taxes, 35.5 percent of Asian American households do not, 37.6 percent of White American households do not, and roughly 52 percent of Hispanics pay no income taxes. "

This data is based on 2004 tax information... http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/542.html

Read more truths at http://www.taxfoundation.org/

---Patti
Sure doesn't seem like 55% to me...
EDIT: I read that website and it looks like 32.4% in 2004, so my suspicions were correct.

Additionally, I think it is safe to say that Obama was speaking of households who do indeed pay taxes, as he is not a TOTAL moron.

Patti Ludwinski
10-16-2008, 05:26 PM
I never said it was 55%. Jordan (I think) did. I'm just giving you some new data.

---Patti

Jordan24
10-16-2008, 07:26 PM
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The Ghoulish Gallery
10-16-2008, 08:05 PM
KFI News radio in LA cited a government report that showed that approximately 40% of Americans do not pay taxes. These are mostly middle income low wage earners or new businesses. The reason for this is that they have so many write offs that they just don't owe anything. I'm sure that number adjusts a little each year but 40% seem to be fairly accurate according to the news report. Hope that helps resolve that issue.

Secondly, who you vote for is a deeply personal decision. While I'm not about to tell ANYONE who they should vote for, I would advise everyone to really go online and investigate the fact vs. the fiction spewed out by each campaign. This is one of the most important election in decades because of how it will affect the future of our economy and stability of our nation. PLEASE take the time to learn the fact about each candidate, then make and informed vote for whoever you think will best lead this country going forward.

My name is Tim Turner of Ghoulish Gallery, Inc. and I approve this massage...oops, Freudian slip!

Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 08:29 PM
Jordan,

Low taxes? How about NO TAXES!! It is unconstitutional that our income be taxed! You see, the 16th ammendment was NEVER ratified and does not allow the taxation of personal income.

So, both candidates, who WILL raise taxes no matter what they are force feeding you, are in a word unconstitutional candidates... All though, both have SWORN to protect it... from enemies foreign..

AND DOMESTIC!!!


REVOLUTION!! -Tyler

Tyler, this is a common argument and has been in the courts time and time again.

http://www.nhne.org/news/NewsArticlesArchive/tabid/400/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3242/Default.aspx

In haunted love,
Sarah

Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 08:30 PM
Hey, I think me and Lurker and Smiley and Elswarro are gonna go vote real quick and then go have a drink. :D

Love to all,
Sarah

poison
10-16-2008, 08:37 PM
I cant believe what i am reading.
1. Stop watching fox news!
2. Educate yourself. (Read, Watch another news source.)
3. Listen to Ralph Narder or Ron Paul speak.

Mccain is going to bring this country to its bloody bloody knees!
You have to ask yourself one question do you really want Sarah running this country?

Jordan24
10-16-2008, 08:59 PM
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Nightgore
10-16-2008, 09:10 PM
Jordan,

Vote third party! You do have a choice! -Tyler

poison
10-16-2008, 09:19 PM
Once again stop watching FOX NEWS, CNN & NBC.
Its ALL sensationalized for your viewing pleasure.

How can make a fair choice if your only listening to the far RIGHT or LEFT.
You have to find another source of media.

Jordan24
10-16-2008, 09:39 PM
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hauntedhousenut
10-16-2008, 10:01 PM
Once again stop watching FOX NEWS, CNN & NBC.
Its ALL sensationalized for your viewing pleasure.

How can make a fair choice if your only listening to the far RIGHT or LEFT.
You have to find another source of media.

You need to put the Koolaid down. what bill has Obama sponsored in the senate? , and what has he voted on. did you know that when he was in the Illinois senate, that he didn't vote on 90 different bills. please do your research first!

Nightgore
10-16-2008, 10:12 PM
Actually nut, your wrong... WAYYYYY WRONG!!! Obama has sponsored 121 bills, check it here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629


Looks like you need to do some research. -Tyler

hauntedhousenut
10-16-2008, 10:49 PM
Actually nut, your wrong... WAYYYYY WRONG!!! Obama has sponsored 121 bills, check it here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629


Looks like you need to do some research. -Tyler

Take your lips off hism

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271/

lurker
10-16-2008, 11:19 PM
Drinks! That is a platform I can stand behind, or pass out under, as the case maybe.
Given the amount of debt this country has acquired over the past 8 years, the only way for us to really keep from sinking is to raise taxes and cut spending. I'd like to see a politician have the melons to say that to the American people. You can blame any party you like for our crazy national debt, but we all share a little of the blame. A society can't live high off the hog, and fight two wars at the same time, and expect it to cost nothing. It's time we paid the fiddler, and we will pay one way or the other.

Barry
10-16-2008, 11:30 PM
I agree with Tyler on this one. Let's support a third party!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/judahverrecke/election08.jpg

Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 11:44 PM
Barry gets a special invitation to the party. :D

Sarah

Haunting Copy
10-16-2008, 11:53 PM
Drinks! That is a platform I can stand behind, or pass out under, as the case maybe.
Given the amount of debt this country has acquired over the past 8 years, the only way for us to really keep from sinking is to raise taxes and cut spending. I'd like to see a politician have the melons to say that to the American people. You can blame any party you like for our crazy national debt, but we all share a little of the blame. A society can't live high off the hog, and fight two wars at the same time, and expect it to cost nothing. It's time we paid the fiddler, and we will pay one way or the other.


I agree with Lurker, once again. :)

The conversation about cutting taxes is asinine. Oh sure, some taxes will be cut, but others will be raised to compensate. Every one of us had better stop "asking what our country can do for us," because no matter who wins this election, or the one after, or the one after, we will *still* be paying dearly for the situation we're in now.

Sarah

lurker
10-17-2008, 12:05 AM
I agree with Tyler on this one. Let's support a third party!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/judahverrecke/election08.jpg
The true MAVERICK!
His first official act as president would be to devour both houses of congress. That would be CHANGE we could live with!

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 03:37 AM
The bottom line is Obama is BAD for the economy, bad for the protection of our country, and bad for the haunted house industry which is made up of small business owners.

Period! Anyone who doesn't see through the smoke and mirrors deserves everything they get. Larry

PS: Tyler I know more about politics than you know about your own birthday. I follow EVERYTHING, and one day I might run for public office. Tyler you don't know what I know that I can assure you. And what I do know is this...based on your comments you'd rather wash away your vote than actually use it for something that counts. If you vote anything this election but McCain you are helping the Democrats take control of this country and they will make Government bigger, and they will raise YOUR TAXES! I'm surprised you can't realize this...heck even Joe the Plumber figured this one out.

When Bill Clinton was leaving office he was as unpopular as George Bush is right now, he was nearly impeached for God sakes, he was so unpopular that even Al Gore wouldn't use him to stump for him in Arkansas, which had Gore won that state he would have won the election. A President being unpopular towards the end of their run is nothing new, when Clinton left he left Bush a mess, a recession, terrorism running wild, and more.

Bush has put the brakes are terrorism, no more nightclub bombing is Israel, when Clinton was President he babied those people since Bush has taken a hold we no longer see bombings, we no longer get attacked on our soil, lets give Bush some credit even if he wasn't the best President. He got dealt a bad hand thanks to Clinton and he stopped Terrorism, he stopped playing around with terrorist nations, and Obama if he becomes President will set up back a decade on these issues, as NO democrat has the balls to deal with tough issues.

For our NATIONS safety thank GOD for Bush, thank GOD for a Republican, thank GOD for our brave men and woman who went off and served our nation, thank GOD for patriots like John McCain, not cowards like Obama who won't even say the pledge or has a wife who was never proud of our country until her husband got close to becoming President.

This is a SHAM... the guy loads up the TV with more money than anyone in history but I'm not buying... VOTE McCain!

Larry

Haunting Copy
10-17-2008, 05:40 AM
Anyone who doesn't see through the smoke and mirrors deserves everything they get. Larry


Now that was just plain ugly, Larry. tsk tsk tsk


Sarah

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 05:47 AM
Sarah,

When Obama stops fighting terrorism, when he raises your taxes, when he takes this country in a more socialism direction, when he creates class warfare, when he hurts this nation by costing Americans jobs by taxing the rich who do the mass majority of job creation and investment, when he taxes small business' to the point they can't even afford to expand their business, you get exactly what you deserve... you can't see through the smoke and mirrors and you vote for some handsome guy who over and over again talks about change...

That is all you'll have left when this guy gets done with you is CHANGE in your pocket. Larry

MMManiac
10-17-2008, 08:18 AM
Cookie having a political debate is a good thing. It creates discussion about a very important issue regardless where you stand. As for attacking Sarah thats whats causing the problems here. personal attacks are not needed, esp when you bring her children into it. So they have "made up words" as names.... Im pretty sure most of our names were "made up" at one point in history. Just because she didn't conform to normal society and name her kids john, matt, luke, ect doesnt mean anything about her ability to be VP. Look at Mr Biden. The fool didn;t even know what the job of a VP was! Great choice on that one.
Stick to the REAL issues. The war, gas prices, the economy, terrorism.

Nightgore
10-17-2008, 09:17 AM
Cookie,

But that's the great thing here... we may disagree! haha... I mean, OBVIOUSLY I don't agree with the majority here about politics, but I don't feel "sour" about it and I haven't lost or gained respect for anybody. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion... nothing wrong with that. I'm just here to educate and get facts straight.

I have nothing against Larry, I still respect the guy and have not lost any "sentiment" towards him. Just two people here disagreeing.

I do think that discussion like this are healthy for an industry board. Go to any other industry board (online or off) and they are talking about the SAME stuff. You just have to be able to take and suggest opinion without taking anything personaly and still stay professional. This is a pro. board right? ;)

Nothing said here will have any affect on a person, or to me at least. I still respect Larry and will still do business with him... nothing lost. -Tyler

PS: Thanks for the compliments, I think! ;) hahahaha

elswarro
10-17-2008, 09:21 AM
[QUOTE=Nightgore;48785]Larry,

(you think if something else happens, they'll want to go back? hell no)
QUOTE]

tyler.....explain this one to me.

and i swore i was leaving.......

Haunting Copy
10-17-2008, 09:26 AM
[QUOTE=Nightgore;48785]Larry,

(you think if something else happens, they'll want to go back? hell no)
QUOTE]

tyler.....explain this one to me.

and i swore i was leaving.......


I think he was referring to the shabby treatment our military received in Iraq.

Sarah

Haunting Copy
10-17-2008, 09:40 AM
Check it out:

http://norvig.com/election-faq.html

elswarro
10-17-2008, 10:16 AM
here we go.....

Tyler, you have no idea what the military thinks......i do. I am an active duty Marine who has fought in Somalia and Iraq. I have seen things that would make you cry. Things that change your opinion in a heartbeat. If you think we are carrying out genocide in the middle east, then you are a tool.

All your facts are from the internet......besides the info from your "Air Force First General" friend. By the way....there is no such rank in the military. You, my friend are a internet soldier......you are brainwashed.

I have served for 18 years and will continue to do so because i've seen the good we are doing. Until you grow some balls and serve your country, then your opinion means nothing to me or the other military vets that defended your right to degrade our country. You should be ashamed of yourself as an Amercian.

You know the old saying, "You don't like it.....leave." There is plenty of room for you in France or maybe you can find a tree to hug in Berkley.....better yet, why dont you go to the middle east and and start your anti-government rants there. Dont be surprised if you end up face down in a ditch outside of Ramadi......courtesy of one of the friendly islamic extremist that we must have missed during the American lead genocide.

Now, go ahead and retort.....but i'd rather discuss this further face to face. Maybe one day we'll get the chance.

To all the folks reading this.....i'm sorry you got to see this side of me. I am a patriot, I will defend our country during good times and bad. By no means do i want to make an enemy in this industry......but there is some things i just wont let walk.

Nightgore
10-17-2008, 10:24 AM
Jason,

THANK YOU for your service my friend... what you do is simply put brave, heroic, and yes... you are a patriot! My beef ISN'T with our military, I LOVE our military, I support our troops no matter WHAT they do. I salute you!

However, I DO NOT support our government, in fact I HATE them!

My grandfather was a Marine, my Dad in the Air Force... his friends, all Air Force.

But you've been posting here how long? When was your last tour? I mean I'm just wondering... and what the hell is an "internet soldier"... is that something from Toyland?

I am not degrading this country... this country is doing that on it's own! As a Marine, you swore oath to protect this country from ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!!! We now look at a DOMESTIC threat that is far more dangerous than a FOREIGN one... will you protect us?

I'm sure we'll meet sometime... hopefully we'll be able to discuss stuff like gentlemen... and I can't wait to work with you for our haunt.

Again, let me just say thank you for your service to this country... you are a patriot my friend. SALUTE!!

Thank you. -Tyler

Nightgore
10-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Also, like others... I'm leaving this thread. There's no sense in beating a dead horse! I guess we'll just have to have another depression with some martial law before people start waking-up!

I would like to leave you guys with one more site to reference:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com

Sign-up, learn, vote... help protect America's sovereignty!!!

REVOLUTION! -Tyler

WeAreTheUnion
10-17-2008, 12:54 PM
Poison,

How about you stop watching CNN and NBC. The mainstream media is extreamly liberal. Just because FOX comes off with both sides of the story, people have the impression that it is extreamly conservative. They have just as many 'left-wing' analysts as they do 'right-wing'. FOX also has the highest TV ratings out of all cable news, that right there says enough.

Yes. Good old fair and balanced Fox News featuring KARL !@#$ING ROVE AS THE LIBERAL ANALYST! Are you kidding me!?
Fox News is just as bad as MSNBC.
I know CNN probably seems liberal to you, but they're actually the most balanced of all mainstream news sources. Perhaps your perspective on reality is just skewed?
If you want "fair and balanced," watch C-Span. Straight facts, no spin.
Good joke with the Fox News bit, though.


And, do you really want Barack Hussien Obama

OO SCARY HIS MIDDLE NAME IS A COMMON NAME!!! A BAD MAN HAD THAT NAME!!! THAT MEANS ALL PEOPLE WITH HUSSEIN IN THEIR NAME ARE BAD!!! HE'S A WITCH, BURN HIM!!!

[/QUOTE]running this country. Look at the man's track record. He has been in the U.S Senate for only 3 years, two of which he spent campaining. Name 3 legitimate things that this man has done for betterment of this country. Look at his connections, Bill Ayres (terrorist), Rev. Wright (radical rasict priest), Father Phleger (radical racist priest), to only name a few. Go and read Barack's latest book he has out.[/QUOTE]

Are you implying that our current president hasn't been photographed shaking hands/proven to have had connections with Saddam Hussein (it's that scary name again!), Osama Bin Laden, and dozens of other so-called "freedom haters" and terrorists?
You're only lying to yourself if you don't realize that the Republican party has been wheelin and dealin with these people for decades now.


John McCain was not my first choice. But he is all that's left and when it comes down to him and Barack, I'd take McCain in a heartbeat.

Me too. Hopefully McCain can ACTUALLY start a nuclear (oops, sorry, nucular) holocaust and end the world.

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 01:50 PM
You said that the middle name of Obama is a 'common' name, and I would ask in what country 'IRAN'? Obama followed the MUSLIN religion, he was a MUSLIN, there is video on youtube with him wearing a turban, he's been endorsed by terrorist groups in the Middle East, his religious mentor here in the US is a radical, he started his political drives with an American Terrorist John Ayres, he sat on boards with him, he was his friend. What drives his thoughts and his views... you tell me when you are a Muslim, when you pal around with known American terrorists.

The thing on this issue for me is his WIFE was NEVER proud of America, and he refuses to say the pledge. If you don't think these our serious flaws in a man you want to RUN YOUR COUNTRY that many brave men and woman for hundreds of years have fought and died for well...

Its sad that is really what it is! Larry

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 02:01 PM
Last post from me... first off Tyler I'm really thrown by your wild and crazy views, about a revolution and all this other stuff. But listen this thread isn't about a revolution it isn't about all that insane stuff you keep talking about.

This thread was simply about who are you going to vote for and their is only two choices that you can make that will affect your business and our nations security for the next FOUR YEARS!

You can pick McCain who will keep taxes low, which is good for ALL business, and clearly he has more experience on foreign affairs and will keep this country safe. Or... you can pick Obama who says he will raise taxes, and he will pull all troops out of Iraq, which in my view will open up the middle east to Iran turning Iraq into another Iran. Going to Iraq in the first place was a mistake, everyone agrees, but we are there now, we can't turn back because if we do, everything everyone fought for will be for nothing. We will give terrorists new havens to plot, plan, and train to kill us.

We must stay and we must win just as McCain has said many times. McCain is also right we must not raise taxes, I love his idea for $5000.00 tax rebate to buy medical insurance, and last but not least I do not want the white house and the senate and the house to be controlled by democrats who love to tax and spend.

This is about your future and your business that you are currently growing... and you need your money, Scarefactory, Gore Galore your local Home Depot needs your money not an Obama government.

So I will vote for McCain because I believe in what he stands for, maybe not everything but more than the other option for sure!

Some are saying this topic is worthless, yes it is when you talk about silly revolutions and all that bull... but its not if you remember for the next four years your business could be affected if another terrorist attack happens on our shore, or if your taxes are raised.

McCain clearly will NOT raise taxes and will DO EVERYTHING to prevent another terrorist attack.

Vote McCain and keep the haunt industry going for another four years!

Larry

MMManiac
10-17-2008, 02:10 PM
Its odd these forums were "slowing down" due to the business of the haunt season and the numbers were down. Then Larry starts a forum, which everyone knew would cause a great ongoing debate (and often non positive like he wanted the threads to be) and bam the number of posters are increasing! Hauntworld conspiracy? Maybe Larry secretly will vote for Obama he just knows by screaming McCain everyone will get all huffy puffy and defend Mr Obama. Tyler feel free to take this conspiracy theory and run with it....

:)



McCain/Palin 08!

ldiliberto
10-17-2008, 02:10 PM
McCain, because I don't want our country to turn into France (socialist, liberal pinko commies)

poison
10-17-2008, 11:46 PM
If you want clarity watch THE DAILY SHOW!
Jon stewart will help clear up any undecided voters!

FearSeeker
10-18-2008, 01:38 AM
I honestly support the haunt industry 100%, which is why I have invested so much of my hard-earned money in it. A majority of my money is literally tied up in the haunt industry.

However, I will never, ever vote for anyone who will appoint people to the Supreme Court who will ultimately vote against women's right to choose and that is absolutely not the same thing as supporting abortion. That is going backwards instead of forward, and I am completely against that.

lurker
10-18-2008, 02:03 AM
Obama followed the MUSLIN religion, he was a MUSLIN, there is video on youtube with him wearing a turban

LOL

And, John McCain is The Manchurian Candidate. You don't think the Vietcong kept him prisoner all that time just to torture him? They brain washed him. He is a sleeper agent.
We are all screwed. We got terrorist on the right of us and terrorist on the left. I think there is one under my bed as well.

Larry, both of these candidates have been vetted by the press for over a year now. If you want to sell your point, stick to their policy differences. I don't think anyone on this board, of voting age, lacks the intellect to buy into that BS. Those tall tales of fear are for all the voters out there with room temperature IQs.

Infoamtek
10-18-2008, 08:40 AM
The real reason not to vote for Obama is because he's a Chicago politician (no slam to the people of Chicago) and a lawyer. LOL

Killer Katie
10-18-2008, 11:40 AM
Lurker, you make me laugh out loud! And I didn't realize that Obama started off as a fabric!!!! LOL

poison
10-18-2008, 10:53 PM
WELL SAID kATIE! WELL SAID! LOL

KroneDaddy
10-20-2008, 03:43 PM
I just voted. I am going to be out of town on election day, so I just now voted. Hooray!

McCain/Palin

WeAreTheUnion
10-20-2008, 11:23 PM
You said that the middle name of Obama is a 'common' name, and I would ask in what country 'IRAN'? Obama followed the MUSLIN religion, he was a MUSLIN, there is video on youtube with him wearing a turban, he's been endorsed by terrorist groups in the Middle East, his religious mentor here in the US is a radical, he started his political drives with an American Terrorist John Ayres, he sat on boards with him, he was his friend. What drives his thoughts and his views... you tell me when you are a Muslim, when you pal around with known American terrorists.

Obama may or may not be. Hussein is. Very common.
And yes I was speaking of the middle east.
Also "MUSLIN"? What?
The Muslim religion is Islam, for future reference.
Saying the Muslim religion is kind of like saying the Jew's religion. Very patronizing and demeaning.
If there is a video of him on youtube wearing a turban, I would bet my left nut it is a fake. Remember when they found Bigfoot?
There are also equally stupid (and fake) videos of McCain and the videos for Palin go on for miles.
And as far as endorsements go, I'm sure that McCain is endorsed by dozens of radical racist groups. Who you or your opponent is endorsed by means very little, unless you are desperate to dig up any dirt on a person that you can because you know that you're wrong and your desperate attempt to win the female vote ended up insulting and patronizing the entire U.S. population (turns out her supporters liked Clinton for her brain, not her ovaries, who knew?).


The thing on this issue for me is his WIFE was NEVER proud of America, and he refuses to say the pledge. If you don't think these our serious flaws in a man you want to RUN YOUR COUNTRY that many brave men and woman for hundreds of years have fought and died for well...

Its sad that is really what it is! Larry

I see nothing wrong with refusing to say the pledge.
It's a stupid, outdated poem. That's all it is.
I also see nothing wrong with his lack of a flag pin (I wish he hadn't caved on that one).
I don't find any solace in the pledge, the flag, or any of the symbols that have been cheapened and merchandised in this country.
It's all a crock of shit, if you ask me. True patriotism has nothing to do with waving a flag and singing songs.
Dissent is patriotism, exercising your right to say, feel, and think whatever the hell you want is patriotism, protest is patriotism, questioning your government is patriotism. Blind faith in a country is not patriotism. That's just plain stupid (not to mention really fucking boring).


To touch again on the first topic, I would also go so far as to say that if he were a Muslim (which I firmly believe he is not), that would not in any way shape or form sway my opinion. Not even a little bit.
The same would apply were he Jewish, or Scientologist even.
I wish we had an Atheist running, but I'll settle for somebody who won't let their faith get in the way of their brain (*cough* Sarah Palin *cough* - sorry I've got a cold).
The bottom line is, we are NOT a Christian nation, and when people claim we are, it makes me ashamed to be in the same room (see also: state, country, planet, universe) with them. The great people who created this country intended it to be 100% secular. Not "we're a Christian nation but you can believe whatever dirt-worshipping mambo-jambo you want," but truly secular. The good old separation of church and state.
Benjamin Franklin has some great quotes on this subject, I'd be happy to dig a few up if you'd like.
SO WHO THE HELL CARES WHAT RELIGION A POTENTIAL UNITED STATES LEADER PRACTICES? Muslims are not all terrorists, and all terrorists are not Muslim. So let's all get over that moronic stereotype and grow up, okay?
Great.

Jordan24
10-21-2008, 03:52 PM
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JamBam
10-22-2008, 09:25 AM
He went to a Muslim grade school briefly because that is the type of school they had, just like we have Catholic and Lutheran schools in the US. He is a Christian, remember the Rev Wright so many try to pinch him for. That is like saying so and so is no good because they know any one of the high profile (sometimes controversial) people in this industry.

And like it or not, the reason the USA is so great is because all are allowed to have freedom.

Religion is one of them, remember?

And if you check it out on the net, there are many sites that will compare religions and you will find that Islam (Muslims are Islamic) is close to Christianity.

So even if he were Muslim, it is the USA!!!!!!

VOTE, but do it as an informed voter, not as a sheep of others!!

PhantomSW
10-22-2008, 10:44 AM
Larry.. I want to change my vote. " Sarah Palin: 2012"

John is the least of two evils.. I want vote for someone and not agaist someone.

screamlinestudios
10-23-2008, 12:57 AM
I just want to point out after reading a few of these posts that the same nonsense happens every election. If you vote for Candidate A then America will be destroyed, if you vote for Candidate B then America will turn socialist. etc, etc.

Far be it from me to tell anyone what to do, but people, please if I may make a suggestion, if you want to argue on points of why you are voting for your candidate then fine, but casting out generalizations against either candidate on how they are determined to ruin the country is just silly. Think about it, both McCain & Obama want to take their vision to the Whitehouse to do what they think is in the best interest in this Country, It takes both the Congress and the Senate to actually get laws past to make things happen (the President signing off on it of course). I don't for a second believe that either Candidate either by ignorance or malice wants to harm America. Don't even try to convince me otherwise.

So vote for whoever you want and may the best man for the Job win and lets all get behind whoever it is to get our Country back to where it needs to be. If whoever in office screws up, we can boot them out in 4 short years, sooner if it is serious. This Goverment structure and Constitution were carefully designed and implimented by, in my opinion, some very intellegent people. Its been working thus far for 100's of years, lets give them some credit that maybe they might have know what the hell they were doing.

My two cents - take it or leave it. Most people are not going to be swayed either way any way, so it is pointless to bash each others Candidate.

Peace and God Bless this great Country of ours! God Bless America!

If you don't feel honored to be living here or bash the USA, I am sure you can find another place in this giant world that will be happy to accomodate you.

One last thing - no matter who is President, they are not directly going to make your life better or worse, it is up to you to do that. Too many people like pointing at the President as to why they have all their problems.

On more last thing, quit wasting your time on consipiracy theories. Even if you uncovered or believed in the biggest most outlandish hidden agenda in history, what are you going to do about it?

Sorry to run on and on - LOL

castaway
10-23-2008, 01:37 AM
And no matter who wins, don't blame them when things continue to get worse for a while, because they are inheriting the problems.

Greg Chrise
10-23-2008, 01:39 AM
The data gathered in the poll, who are you voting for and the thread does your haunt make $250,000 can be compared, extrapilated and what size under wear every one will need for Christmas can be obtained. Plus or minus three elastic band stress points.

castaway
10-23-2008, 01:44 AM
Shall we calculate in the $175,000 that the Republican National Committee is spending each month on clothes with accessories for Sarah Palin and her family?

JamBam
10-23-2008, 09:24 AM
Well said.

Now, the 175 K for the Sarah makeover is not per month. That was the total. I am not voting for her, but will stick up for her on that one.

These pics look like her, not for sure if it is her. They came with a few others . These are my favorites.

Shoot that gun, girl!! Nobody is going to take it away, either.
And she looks hot to party in the other one.