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ResistingFears
10-17-2008, 12:18 PM
We have been told that the upcoming Presidential election is a haunt issue because those haunts that are making over $250,000 will be taxed by Obama. I don't know whether this is true, but it makes me wonder how many haunts actually make that much every year. And in order to be taxed on that amount, that would have to be net income, which means that it would have to be income or profit after all costs and/or expenses are deducted.

So the question is, does your haunt have a net income (after all costs and expenses are deducted) of over $250,000? If so, I think you must be doing quite well and should let us all know how you made it to this point. Thanks for helping us share in the wealth!

rwrussom
10-17-2008, 12:35 PM
Good luck, Im my observation sales and attendance figures are closely held or exagerated. It is too bad. It would be nice to understand how a startup build over time.

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 12:42 PM
I think as Joe the Plumber pointed out, he doesn't make over $250,000 right now either but when he does he doesn't want his hard earned money and success taken away from him.

Every single haunted house owner wants to grow their business and reach a level where they can do haunting and haunting only, and that is the point. One day you keep growing, you keep making things happen, you will and you will make even more.

Lastly, as Joe the Plumber pointed out, who knows that Obama leaves the tax rate at $250,000.00 maybe he changes his mind and drops it to $150,000.00 or maybe even lower.

No business should be taxed more NO BUSINESS!

Bigger business creates more investment and more jobs, and when you take their money away you hamper their ability to do so! This is a fact!

Larry

Howie Slobber Erlich
10-17-2008, 12:43 PM
It is ridiculous to think that many haunts are profiting more than $250,000. My guess is that less than 5% of haunted attractions make that kind of doe. Most, on a good year profit 40k - 150k. This tax increase would not affect many haunters. Here is another sad truth. I would guess that more than half the haunt owners out there have 2 sets of books. Many more don't even pay taxes on their haunt at all. Of course no one will admit any of that, but we all know it's true.

Just my opinion,

Howie "Slobber" Erlich
Owner
Deadly Intentions Haunted House
www.deadlyintentionshaunt.com

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 01:27 PM
Howie,

I think you are 110% correct, but that isn't the point. I think most people think ah yeah stick it to the man, but its the so called man who employs almost every single American. How much more in taxes will struggling GM pay, or Ford pay, or even a company like White Castles. How much is 4% to a company like General Motors just how many jobs will that cost?

Why do we ship jobs overseas, what country in the WORLD has the second highest tax rates on business? You guessed it America, that should tell you right then and there why all the jobs get shipped out of this nation. When Obama raises taxes on any business he basically will be shipping even more jobs overseas and in fact costing many small business to cut jobs, and stunt growth.

Its not about how many make XXX amount, its about who you are taxing and how many jobs do they create and what will be lost once you do!

As for haunts making over $250,000 there are several, and clearly you can start with all the major theme parks in America who BUY MILLIONS of dollars from our haunted house vendors. True? Yes!

Do we have vendors making over $250,000.00 yes do we have haunts who do yes, do we have many haunts who are close or who will get there yes.

You make that much money because you EARNED IT you worked hard for it... and then some socialist comes along and wants to take it away. That is not American and it will cost this nation jobs for sure and I think that is the issue. Larry

ResistingFears
10-17-2008, 02:06 PM
About 2/3 of Americans are currently struggling just to pay their bills. So when your concern is the tax on GM, Ford, White Castle, or the few who actually do make over $250,000 per year, I think you are not in touch with most of America, who are just trying to make it through each day. Let's worry about all of us first and then worry about giving the money-makers a tax break.

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 02:48 PM
OHG... you are kidding me? Working Americans are worried GM, Ford and all of these other places are going to LAY THEM OFF! Then how many hard working American's will have jobs.

People must accept the way this nation is set up...when big business or the wealthy have money they invest, the invest in things that create new jobs, when you take away their money they don't. When you raise taxes jobs leave this country for China or Mexico, then people don't have jobs.

Its not always about stick it to the man, because when you do it comes around full circle and bits you right in the butt. Most Americans work directly for or work for a business that gets their business from a major corporation.

Yeah lets just tax them right out of business, send every job overseas...that is a great idea!

Larry

The Ghoulish Gallery
10-17-2008, 02:57 PM
I think this poll might get a lot more response if those voting were not identified.

Tim @ www.ghoulishgallery.com

ResistingFears
10-17-2008, 03:18 PM
I can't find a way to edit the poll to make it private.

And I doubt we would ever tax the major companies enough to put them out of business. Gas companies have been gauging us because they can!

drfrightner
10-17-2008, 03:25 PM
Let me tell you that is a MAJOR ISSUE for me... Gas companies should be taxed with a windfall tax, when you profit exceeds a certain amount they should pay 50% of it in taxes, I'm all for that. This is something the Democrats proposed and Bush vetoed and that really pissed me off.

Gas companies are raping American's no doubt about it... McCain has said flat out he will take on the Gas companies and Palin has already done just that in Alaska. I can only hope they do!

There is a difference though between excess greed and keeping your money that you earned. GM isn't greedy, charging to much for their cars, they can't they have way to much competitions. If you raise taxes on all companies that make more than 250,000.00 well all the major companies in America that employ directly or indirectly will be affected.

Larry

rwrussom
10-17-2008, 03:58 PM
Why dont you edit the poll to provide various ranges of profit and make it a.nonymous. We might just get a glimps of the state of the business.

Haunting Copy
10-17-2008, 06:53 PM
I think this poll might get a lot more response if those voting were not identified.

Tim @ www.ghoulishgallery.com


I agree!

Sarah

Greg Chrise
10-17-2008, 07:36 PM
Only profits are taxed. For years and years since the 80s the corporate tax rate on profits and capital gains has been 35%. Obama is proposing 39% over $250,000 in profit.

This simply gives incentive for larger small businesses to invest in inventories, labor or materials rather than buy more ferrarris, Mc mansions and swimming pools every year.

Real growing businesses including haunts do not take a profit to this degree, they increase their quality or resources or open more locations thus employing more. So it is a catch 22. It may not bring in more income to the government but insures profits are reinvested rather than the government getting the money.

People with the job mentality and employees think that business owners are just sitting on stacks of cash. They aren't. They are generally paying overheads and buying inventories, paying labor and catching up on debts. As a result they are already paying no taxes beyond what they take as personal income. The business might be worth millions but the man lives on $8,000 per year.

This is just another way to pass a tax on luxuries that by itself has not been able to get through congress. Likely this tax increase won't make it through anyhow no matter what any president wants.

If you sell your business or merger you are screwed. That's when profits and capital gains are realized. At some point you grow out of the "small business" catagory and there are a whole other set of rules for large corporations already.

It's all just another way to keep the man down.

Just recently I went to a contractors company picnic of perhaps 1500 employees and friends all paid. Everyone got in for free and had nice evening at no cost as a reward for somehow supporting the mans business. That party would be tax deductible. In comparison, another contractor I have has for years been building his multi million dollar house to look like a roman cathedral with a french whore house decore. No company celebration what so ever. The later guy has never been over maybe 30 employees and when times are tough gets down to 8. At the exact same economic times the guy that celebrates his employees has not cut back on employment.

It is so much easier to run a haunted house that is well detailed and has investment. That takes care of the actors with proper meals and such. All the profits were reinvested year after year toward a better resource. Only bad haunters have driven away from a ticket booth with suitcases of money that are never seen again. I think all the piggy people do need to pay a bit more. They want smooth roads when they drive off fast don't they?

Infoamtek
10-18-2008, 07:30 AM
And here's something to remember. Corporations really don't pay taxes. They pass them down to the consumer by either raising prices or cutting back jobs. By raising corporate taxes, the government raises our taxes. Think about it.

Haunting Copy
10-18-2008, 08:13 AM
And here's something to remember. Corporations really don't pay taxes. They pass them down to the consumer by either raising prices or cutting back jobs. By raising corporate taxes, the government raises our taxes. Think about it.

This is why I would like to see focused, *significant* incentives to encourage corporations to reinvest.

Sarah

Infoamtek
10-18-2008, 10:01 AM
Something else you don't hear about. The Federal Government makes more $$$ per barrel of oil produced in or imported to this country than the oil companies do profitwise. If you want a true-to-life haunt room, make a legislative looking room and fill it full of man-sized bloodsucking leeches.

KroneDaddy
10-18-2008, 02:29 PM
First of all, if you tax the oil companies more, they'll just pass it on to us. Believe it or not, oil companies do have expenses, the oil isn't just handed to them by the Saudis. Exploration alone is expensive. I do not defend the oil companies for the gas crisis, but we should've been drilling on and off our own shores for all these years.

Obama will realize, if he wins, that to carry out all the promises he's made during the election, HE WILL RAISE TAXES ON US ALL, except those who don't pay taxes.

Remember the three words he told Joe the Plumber, he will "SPREAD THE WEALTH" which is code word for distribution of money from those of us who work and pay taxes to those who refuse to.

Remember the Carter years, 21% interest, inflation and unemployment through the roof? Much worse than now. Financial institutions are in trouble now in part because congress pressured banks and other loan companies to loan money to those who couldn't afford it.

Look how much worse the economy is and how much higher gas is since the Dems took over the House and Senate. No wonder their ratings worse than Bush, their between 9 - 13%. Obama worries me. But we're all friends and that's only my opinion.

JayTeeDee
10-18-2008, 10:38 PM
Let me tell you that is a MAJOR ISSUE for me... Gas companies should be taxed with a windfall tax, when you profit exceeds a certain amount they should pay 50% of it in taxes, I'm all for that. This is something the Democrats proposed and Bush vetoed and that really pissed me off.

Gas companies are raping American's no doubt about it... McCain has said flat out he will take on the Gas companies and Palin has already done just that in Alaska. I can only hope they do!

There is a difference though between excess greed and keeping your money that you earned. GM isn't greedy, charging to much for their cars, they can't they have way to much competitions. If you raise taxes on all companies that make more than 250,000.00 well all the major companies in America that employ directly or indirectly will be affected.

Larry

This in its own right is a truly frightening statement!

The oil companies rate of return, their profit, is roughly 12%. That is not excessive. It's just that these energy companies are so massively big. You will find that there are all sorts of companies and industries who have profit rates that are highter. Should they all be taxed for "windfall profits"?

I don't work for an oil company or have any association with them, but, I just don't understand how anyone can say the rate of profit is excessive.

Take Exxon. Don't get bamboozled by someone stating they made $40 Billion over the last year. They are a $375 Billion company.

It costs money to drill for this resource, it costs money to buy it from where it is coming, it costs money to ship it, refine it, distribute it and such.

Yes, we're all being hurt at the gas pump, but, it's the Saudi's, Middle East, Russians and Venezuelans controlling the oil supply. They can manipulate the price of a barrel of oil simply by suggesting that they are thinking about cutting their output. Couple that with economies such as China, India and others that have been demanding more oil as well, the price is only going to rise globally.

Simply, absent an alternative, we are at their mercy.

Uptown Haunts
10-19-2008, 08:10 AM
If Osama Obama wins the Presidential Election, we will enter an age of Socialism in America which, in my opinion, goes against the Constitution of the United States and what it stands for. I didn't realize that working hard, being successful, creating jobs, contributing to the economy, etc. was a punishable offense even though big companies already pay millions (billions in some cases) in tax revenue. What Dumb-O-Crats don't understand is that there is no limit on success, income or profits and taxing big or successful businesses more than they are already taxed reduces their operating capitol, thus reducing the number of employees they can hire, will have to pay lower wages or, if they do hire more people and pay higher wages, that results in the need to charge higher prices which will be the only way to cover those increased costs. With higher prices comes fewer sales which then reduces the company's profitability once again and eventually affects the economy overall. Only those of us who own and operate businesses of any size understand this simple concept.

Steve...

kpolley
10-19-2008, 03:00 PM
Gas companies make a few cents off every gallon of gas. If they eliminated their profit altogether and made NO money the rpice wouldn't even drop a quarter. If the government dropped all it's taxes and stupid regulations on gas the price in some areas would drop more than a dollar. The government is much more responsible for the high prices. They made record profits off gas too...just nobody called them on it.

I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes...but Obama wants to be Robin Hood and steal from the rich to give to the poor. That's not the American way. It's not fair to punish success. Businesses can't grow when the government taxes them into the ground.

HauntedPhantom
10-19-2008, 10:48 PM
Usually when somebody feels a need to put down others, it is done in an effort (often subconsciously) to make them feel better about themselves.

colwood56
10-20-2008, 05:27 AM
Yeah lets just tax them right out of business, send every job overseas...that is a great idea!

Larry

That is from Larry's post.

This statement is what Bush has done in the last 8 years and McCain supports this. I don't trust either of the canidates. It's like voting for bad or worse.

Isn't there a web sight where this is discussed besides here?
I come on a Haunt sight and discuss politcs! I can't believe this!

Oh' I too am affraid to speak up on this board, I was bashed a few years ago because I stated my opinion.

BrainDonor13
10-20-2008, 06:09 AM
::clap clap:: Haunted phantom, I totally agree.

You deserve a standing ovation.

What about the families who are making roughly $40,000 per year and struggling just to survive? Do you not give a crap about them because, seemingly, you're not one of them?

Let me tell you - I AM one of those. And I work my ass off 12 hours a day, six days a week to support my family. We are unable to set up college accounts for our kids. We are unable to keep a savings with three months worth of emergency money. Is it because we live outside our means? No. And we fear for our jobs every day, and health insurance rates. We couldn't surviive if we were taxed any more.

Jim Warfield
10-20-2008, 06:22 AM
Which are the more "dangerous"?
Opinions usually can move a crowd to action whether it be rioting or voting but I think the majority of people who live in this country don't need to simply decide anymore with only opinions because facts speak louder for anyone below J. McCain's median income level of $5million dollars a year.
Remember he said if you don't make at least that paultry 5 mill. a year then you are just middle class. These are his constituantcy and that ain't the majority of us or the people,that I know or have ever known.
It becomes an "Us versus Them" when they ride roughshod over pensions, and they become shinning examples of ultimate greedy oinkers ever known.
What is it? 3% of the people here own 95% of the value of this country?
I guess this sounds all "right" and good if you like medieval fairy tales where the King is always right...because he is the king.
How many generations of worker ants will shrivel and die waiting for the King to drop some crumbs from the corner of their mouth?

screamline studios
10-20-2008, 07:19 PM
Obama all the way (at this moment) I really dont give a shit about big business most of the time they would get ride of joe smoe to make room for there budget(keep in mind the person lost there job after 20 years of service) Legal crooks is big business and i say after years apon years we need a change!!! To be honest how could it get any worse............

Jason Blaszczak


p.s I am not saying Obama is the answer BUT i am willing to risk it all!!!

Mike Honcho
10-20-2008, 08:56 PM
Hey I got this email a while ago I think you all should check it out


vvvvvvvvv




Another Obama thing, but questions raised in the text below have been in my mind

all along since Obama came 'out of nowhere' and thinks he is going to bring 'change'!



Subject: Fw: Author unknown

This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a

year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times

since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I

must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/> MSNBC, CNN, and <http://www.foxnews.com/>

Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months

ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have

four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was

tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student

loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is

very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs

and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not

apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life)

during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid

Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year

in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother

in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan

where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his

father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this

trip?

Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip

like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school

at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone

to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?

It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?

Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a

Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New

York? He was already living in New York.

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a

real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and

bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the

Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years

later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what

tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School?

More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko

offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis,

Miner,

Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's

firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors

when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser

for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was

instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate

race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago

for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans -

Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's

wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London

Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko

$3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met

Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele

Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make

any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born?

Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was

'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with

'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past

week,buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that

during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the

war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in

Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign

contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and

middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times

posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George

Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslim

faith'. When questioned, 'he make a mistake'. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it -

Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett:

DailyTimes - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times -

September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own,

Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting

this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from

within'!!!

WeAreTheUnion
10-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Hey I got this email a while ago I think you all should check it out


vvvvvvvvv




Another Obama thing, but questions raised in the text below have been in my mind

all along since Obama came 'out of nowhere' and thinks he is going to bring 'change'!



Subject: Fw: Author unknown

This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a

year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times

since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I

must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/> MSNBC, CNN, and <http://www.foxnews.com/>

Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months

ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have

four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was

tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student

loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is

very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs

and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not

apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life)

during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid

Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year

in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother

in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan

where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his

father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this

trip?

Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip

like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school

at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone

to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?

It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?

Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a

Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New

York? He was already living in New York.

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a

real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and

bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the

Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years

later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what

tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School?

More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko

offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis,

Miner,

Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's

firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors

when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser

for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was

instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate

race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago

for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans -

Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's

wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London

Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko

$3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met

Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele

Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make

any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born?

Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was

'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with

'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past

week,buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that

during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the

war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in

Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign

contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and

middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times

posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George

Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslim

faith'. When questioned, 'he make a mistake'. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it -

Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett:

DailyTimes - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times -

September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own,

Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting

this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from

within'!!!

You can find a conspiracy wherever you want to.
Bah, humbug, I say.
If you want to talk politicians with ties to the middle east, look at the people running our government right now.

Uptown Haunts
10-23-2008, 07:13 PM
Having grown up in a prominent political family in which our primary sources of income were several family-owned businesses over the years as well as several of my own businesses, my first hand experience in business and politics has helped to shape my opinions, views and expertise in various areas. This has been my environment since I was 3 weeks old. Today is my 50th birthday.

Owning/operating a business has it's ups and downs for many reasons. There's the financial obligations, making sure you've got the cash flow to support these ongoing expenses which include rent/mortgage, utilities, insurance, operating supplies, payroll and benefits if you offer them which we always did, taxes, etc. It takes a while just to break even. Hopefully, there will be a little something left over so you, the business owner/operator, can take a pay check home since that's the main reason why businesses exist in the first place. Financial gain in one form or another for those of us who have made the investment.

As for politics, I grew up in a Republican household. Even though I've never had the urge to seek public office, I've been bashed and slandered in the media by the Left Wingers just because of my accidental relationship to my parents who have both held various public offices from 1964 to the present. I got over feeling insulted with the name calling when I was 7 years old. Instead of crying the blues, I just return the favor now.

If saying bad things about others is only done to make one feel better about themselves, Dumb-O-Crats must be the most miserable people on the planet. Look at how much they whine, cry, complain, blame, etc. It never ends. I don't know what they're gonna do once Bush leaves office in January. But we're getting off of the subject....

Higher taxes will hurt most of our businesses. Based on the Federal income tax structure, the more you make, the more they take. Once you reach a certain gross income, you pay a certain percentage of that figure. Bump up the gross to the next level and you pay a higher percentage which never made any sense to me. 10% of $10,000 is $1,000 and 10% of $100,000 is $10,000. The person with the $100,000 gross income is already paying $9,000 more than the person earning $10,000 if that's the way our income tax structure worked. But it doesn't. The person grossing $100,000 is probably paying about 30% which comes to $30,000 off their gross income. If the income goes up, so too does the percentage paid in. This extra $20,000 could've been used for any number of things. Buying products and services that help the economy, college tuition for one of the kids, upgraded equipment for the business, benefits for a couple of employees (or yourself) or it could even help secure a better location if you're leasing space for your haunt.

Osama Obama's gonna kill us.

WeAreTheUnion
10-26-2008, 10:16 AM
Osama Obama

Grow up please.

Uptown Haunts
10-27-2008, 02:45 PM
Pennsylvania sales tax is 6%. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh added another 1% to the sales tax figure. What does that mean to those of us who spend money in Pa? Here's an example....

If you buy a used car @ $10,000, you have to add 6% ($600) Pa. sales tax or 7 % ($700) sales tax in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Increase the sales tax by another 4% (it now becomes 10%) and these sales tax numbers become $1,000 and $1,100 respectively. Double these numbers for a $20,000 vehicle. The sales tax is now $2,000 and $2,200 respectively. Delaware has no sales tax. Think of the savings. Who feels Delaware should have a sales tax and why?

What are business owners paying in taxes if they are already earning $250,000 in profits per year? What's another 4% on their $250,000 profits? It's another $10,000 over whatever they're already paying in taxes. The same amount of money that was used to buy that first used car (minus sales tax unless you're in Delaware) I mentioned earlier. Regardless of our gross incomes, what would an extra $10,000 mean for your business?

For those who don't have a problem with extorting "just 4% more" from businesses, it must be nice to be independently wealthy unlike the rest of us who actually have to work for a living. I don't earn anywhere near $250,000/year. Not being a parasite, I feel that successful business operators deserve to keep whatever they can (legally) because they already pay more than enough in taxes and they're the ones who made the investment of time, money, effort, planning, developing the ideas, pursued their dream and create jobs which usually has a positive affect on any economy. Bottom line; America is supposed to be the "Land of Opportunity". For some strange reason, there are those who want to destroy the American Dream or prevent it from happening and then cry, whine and complain about how bad things are when there's a Republican in the oral office (thanks, Bill).

WeAreTheUnion
10-28-2008, 01:25 PM
For some strange reason, there are those who want to destroy the American Dream or prevent it from happening and then cry, whine and complain about how bad things are when there's a Republican in the oral office (thanks, Bill).

The "American dream" is just that (a dream) to WELL over half the population, so those who are fortunate enough to live it should consider it a fucking honor to help out their fellow Americans.
The selfish rich minority controls this country and it's a crock of shit.

When you stop making immature jokes and grow up, I'll have a serious discussion with you. Until then, have fun acting like a 12 year old (seriously, my little cousin has more constructive things to say than you do).
I'm bored to tears by your inability to crawl out of your own ass.

MMManiac
10-28-2008, 03:31 PM
Wearetheunion do you honestly think that someone who busts their ass, makes huge gambles and risks in a business and helps the economy by hiring staff, investing money, and what not should just hand over more money to the "less fortunate" because they didn't choose to go down the same path? I dont make nearly $250,000.00 but when I do (because that is my dream and I'll work my ass off until it happens) I dont Mr. Obama (who might I add can't even adlib a fricken speech when his telepromter goes off) take more of my money to "redistrbute it" to everyone else.

Im Sean De Wane and I approve this message...

drfrightner
10-28-2008, 03:55 PM
Obama new connections to additional people with terrorist ties is just flat our HORRORIFING! I just can't believe that someone who says flat out I WILL RAISE TAXES, I WILL RAISE CAPITAL GAINS TAX, I WILL TAX SMALL BUSINESS that you would even consider voting for this guy.

You really want a democrat President, senate, and house?

Are you kidding? Business leaves our country and sets up shop in Mexico, China, or somewhere else because we charge too high taxes in this country. This is a fact and somehow during hard economic times you want to RAISE taxes this is F*CKING ABSURD!

Let me tell you something this guy is NOT A PATRIOT, he has surrounded himself with people with anti-America views like Rev. Wright, Ayers or this new professor who was a member of the PLO... the Jewish people have called him out for his ties to this new guy. This is scary!

Bottom line though once you realize your dreams, that you fight for, you bust your ass for, do you really want someone taking it all away from you, or for that matter making it harder for you to get there? ME...NO!

Vote for your country and vote for MCCAIN! The future of this nation is at stake here... everything as we know it will change. Lastly, some of you think Obama's tax hikes won't affect you you are nuts... do you know what Capital Gains tax is? If not look into it because next time you sell your home you'll realize really quick what a hiked up Capital Gains Tax will do to your pocket book.

VOTE MCCAIN!

Larry

drfrightner
10-29-2008, 04:22 AM
This just in... Biden the BONEHEAD just said in an interview that they want to tax all Americans making more than $150,000.00 NOT $250,000.00. Steve Forbes said today that Obama has to tax the middle class to pay for his programs because as he put it there is where the money is at. Biden is a moron and I'm sure Obama right now is wishing he'd just shut his mouth.

So it started off at 250k, now the real number has been leaked its really 150k, but who's to say Obama says NOOOOO... umm I think if you make more than 95k is to much, who knows.

Vote McCain.

Larry

beardedbil
10-29-2008, 08:19 AM
Both McCain and Obama will have to raise taxes to pay for programs for which the public is clamoring, whether those programs are universal health insurance, expanding the military, trying to retire the national debt, or simply trying to balance the budget.


McCain proposes to increase your tax exemption for children by something like $125/year. That's it, if you have children you get something, otherwise not. This will increase the deficit.


McCain proposes a $2500-$5000 "refundable" tax credit for the purchase of health insurance while apparently proposing, as I understand it, eliminating the deduction for employer provided health insurance. This is a tax increase for business to pay for a tax benefit to the public. This is, ostensibly deficit neutral.


McCain will cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. This is proposed to keep American companies on shore and to stimulate the economy. This will not keep companies on shore because the 10% tax savings on profits is miniscule compared to the as much as 80% operating cost savings of exploitation of cheap foreign labor. And since most corporations do not pay any taxes due to loopholes it is ridiculous. All that will happen is that those that are paying taxes domestically will pay less and increase the deficit. All of this tinkering with tax cuts will result in a net tax increase because a higher percentage of the operation of government will be placed on your credit card.


Obama's plan, a tax cut for the middle class, should be offset by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Curtailing tax loopholes for companies operating offshore will have far reaching effects including reducing the deficit. As far as funding for new programs goes, there is little doubt that these, like universal healthcare or improving public education and tuition programs, will go on your nation's credit card.


Your taxes are going to go up with either Obama or McCain. For whom you vote, if that is your issue, depends entirely on how much they will go up and/or what you will get in return.

WeAreTheUnion
10-29-2008, 09:00 AM
Wearetheunion do you honestly think that someone who busts their ass, makes huge gambles and risks in a business and helps the economy by hiring staff, investing money, and what not should just hand over more money to the "less fortunate" because they didn't choose to go down the same path? I dont make nearly $250,000.00 but when I do (because that is my dream and I'll work my ass off until it happens) I dont Mr. Obama (who might I add can't even adlib a fricken speech when his telepromter goes off) take more of my money to "redistrbute it" to everyone else.

Im Sean De Wane and I approve this message...

Based on that attitude, I would guess that you are probably not a person who has to face serious financial worry on a daily basis. You probably don't have to worry about things like having to choose between feeding your family and paying the utilities or your rent this month.
Some people just plain do NOT have the option to "choose that path." Perhaps you should take a visit to inner-city Detroit and ask people if they think they had the opportunity to "choose that path."
This country's financial and economical system is designed so that the rich stay rich, and the poor get poorer. If you don't see that, you're ignorant and/or you watch too much Fox "News" (and don't try to come at me with that MSNBC crap cause I don't watch that either).

I'm sick and tired of people who honestly believe that with a little hard work, anyone can achieve their wildest of dreams! It is next to impossible to get out of poverty in this country. The "American Dream" only applies to the middle class and up, for everyone else it might as well be called "The American Pipe Dream," or the "We Made Up This Stupid Thing Just To Make Poor Fucks Feel Like A Failure For Being Born Into Poverty & Never Having The Chance To Think Beyond Today Dream." OR maybe we could call it the "Hell No I Don't Want To Pay A Little Extra In Taxes So You Can Get A Little Help To Pay For Your Rent AND Food For Your Family This Month While You Try To Figure Out How The Hell You're Going To Get A Better Job Than McDonalds And You Want To Go To School But You Can't Because You Have Two Kids And It's Obviously Your Fault That Both Of Your Parents Were Drug Addicts And Didn't Tell You That You Can Do Better Dream."
It's easy to criticize the bottom and tell them it's their fault when you don't know even remotely what it's like to be there, or how hard it is to get out. Like it or not, these people need our help to give them even a glimmer of hope. When you make a quarter of a million dollars every year, to complain about having to pay more in taxes that will be spent to help give everyone the opportunity to live the American Dream is selfish. There's no other word for it, it's selfish.

Uptown Haunts
10-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Hard work does pay off occasionally. And those who put forth the effort deserve to reap the rewards provided by their efforts and hard work. Sitting around and waiting for a handout never made anybody rich or successful. If you landscape your property and make it absolutely beautiful, are you going to do the same for mine even though I'm just laying around, being a parasite, waiting for someone to do everything for me? How much of your pay check do you share with others? Do you really think extorting money from businesses is going to help business stay in business? And since we're all in the haunt industry, will you share some of your wealth with the rest of us even though we may not have put forth 1/10 the effort you have? You're living in a fantasy wold.

Since we are all in the haunt industry in some way, shape or form, let me use this analogy just to prove a point. The hit movie "Halloween" opened in theaters more than 20 years ago. Should we as haunters be entitled to a share of the residual revenue just because we're in a very similar industry?

If you really feel that Obama's plan is right for you, vote for him. If you have common business sense, vote for McCain. Having a hissy fit over a Right Winger's opinion isn't going to change the outcome of the Presidential Election. Remember; freedom of speech is not reserved just for Left Wingers. If you'll notice through out this thread, I've voiced my opinions based on facts, not fiction, and have not resorted to foul language. Generally speaking, Right Wingers are a little more diplomatic. You've just proven my point about Left Wingers being whiners, complaining and acting like a 4 year old having a temper tantrum. Grow up and accept the fact that we all have our own opinions and we are all entitled to the same Constitutional right known as freedom of speech. If that offends you, move to another country where freedom of speech doesn't exist.

Freak95
10-31-2008, 12:20 AM
I'm not getting into the political discussion, because it just starts a whole mess of problems.

Our haunt makes roughly 10k a year. We are non-profit. It all goes to Law Enforcement United, which uses the money to help pay for officers injured in the line of duty.

Now, me and the other guy that designed, and built the house this year, and have had great dealings with the design over the past 4 years are wanting to take it to a bigger level. The organization is in the talks of trying to get a permanent building for the haunted house. (we have to tear it down, and gut the houses every year, thus eating away at our very little budget) Here is my question...

If we get this permanent building, like an old grocery store, or warehouse, what do me and him need to look into as far as trying to build this up to be one of the greats, while still giving to the non-profit side?

MMManiac
10-31-2008, 12:23 PM
It started at $250,000...
Then $200,000
This week it started at $150,000
and now $120,000...

Does anyone see a trend here? It's Obama's TRUE tax plan sneaking out.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/low-richardson-pegs-middle-class-making/

VOTE MCCAIN!

Uptown Haunts
11-01-2008, 04:08 AM
Freak,

If you acquire this location, it will add greater credibility in the minds of the general public. Having a permanent location establishes you as a 'permanent' fixture in the community. Your haunt could become a landmark like a certain gas station at a particular intersection or amusement park in a given area.

Building the haunt in a permanent location will allow you to work on it year round. It should also 'grand father' your haunt where buildign codes apply and will inevitably change in future years. This saves time and money but you still have the ongoing expenses of the property. Rent/mortgage, insurance, utilities, alarm company, etc.

When building a haunt, your biggest outlay of financial resources will be at the beginning when trying to secure a location, getting plans drawn up, seeking city approvals, the initial promotion of the facility so people know you're there.

You're definitely on the right track and I wish you great success with your project.

Steve....

WeAreTheUnion
11-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Hard work does pay off occasionally.
Yes, unless you happen to be on the bottom. You have to understand that some people don't ever have the opportunity to go to college. Some people don't have the opportunity to finish high school.


And those who put forth the effort deserve to reap the rewards provided by their efforts and hard work. Sitting around and waiting for a handout never made anybody rich or successful.
Ah of course, the grumpy ill-tempered god-fearing conservative (how's your own judgmental medicine taste, doc?) jumps right to the handout mentality.
It's not about handouts, it's about understanding that some people NEED help and to deny them that is selfish. That's it, there's no Fox News spin you throw at me that I'll believe. Ever.
Your attitude is a selfish one.


If you landscape your property and make it absolutely beautiful, are you going to do the same for mine even though I'm just laying around, being a parasite, waiting for someone to do everything for me?
Ahhh yes, now we come to the "the poor are nothing but a parasite hanging on the side of society" portion of the conservative mindset.
I must say, I couldn't agree more!
Hell, let's just kill them! It'll be easier, right? I would say ship them off to an island somewhere, but I wouldn't want to have to raise your taxes to get rid of them. Nasty pests.
Hmmm...wait, I think Stalin did that...and I'm pretty sure he was a communist...

Your analogy makes no sense. It's not about landscaping and other forms of luxury, it's about eating and shelter, basic human needs. And you bet your ass if my neighbor's roof caved in and they had nowhere to stay, I'd have the couch pulled out and dinner for a few more ready before they even asked. It's called "caring about others," or in some circles "being nice," instead of "being selfish" and "not caring about anyone except yourself." Remember Kindergarten? I think we learned that there...maybe it was preschool, I don't remember.


How much of your pay check do you share with others?
My pay rate is $7.15, and after taxes I make about $5.50, so you do the math. I figure a portion of that money goes to help people in need (more of it goes to the official United States bomb all the brown people mission, but I can deal with that).
Beyond that I donate to charities when I have the extra money. I figure, I have everything I need and there are people who don't. Why wouldn't I help out a fellow human?
Remember the "being nice and caring about others" thing? There it was again!


Do you really think extorting money from businesses is going to help business stay in business?
1. Extortion? Hardly.
2. If you make over $250,000 in PROFIT (AFTER expenses and other write-offs, pure profit - and there is a great video of McCain defending this point a few years back before he flip-flopped to take the GOP cock into his greedy, grubby little mouth for the nomination) then you live a life of luxury and therefore can afford to give a little more than those who don't.
3. No, it's not going to help them stay in business but it's not going to prevent them from doing so either. If a business makes $250,000 in profit or more, that is NOT a business in any danger of closing and somebody's pockets are definitely shimmering.
What it will do however, is ensure that our defense system is in tip-top shape and work to ensure a future in which everybody gets an opportunity to live your prized American Dream.


And since we're all in the haunt industry, will you share some of your wealth with the rest of us even though we may not have put forth 1/10 the effort you have? You're living in a fantasy wold.
Uh, well, since that has nothing (as in, really absolutely nothing at all) to do with the topic at hand I would have to say there's no point in even answering that question. Why would I give random people money who don't need it? I'd rather give it to people who really need it and are working hard but just can't catch a break.
Now, that said, if you worked your ass off and spent your life savings building a great haunt and then you had several terrible seasons and lost every penny you had, I think you'd be glad to know there's a government program to help you get back on your feet and start over. You might think differently then.
So I think perhaps now you can see that it is you, not me, who is living in a fantasy world (you know, since you're not making any damn sense).


Since we are all in the haunt industry in some way, shape or form, let me use this analogy just to prove a point. The hit movie "Halloween" opened in theaters more than 20 years ago. Should we as haunters be entitled to a share of the residual revenue just because we're in a very similar industry?
Again, I don't understand what you're trying to say. This analogy (again) makes no sense and is in no way representative of the idea of taxing those who can afford it and giving a break to those who can't. It's not like they're gonna raise your taxes to 75% and send FBI agents to hand out $100 bills to any schmuck on the street. It sounds like you've been watching too many Ron Paul videos on youtube.
The idea is NOT to ensure that everybody makes the exact same amount of money, that's absurd. The idea, however, IS to make sure that everybody has an opportunity, not just the lucky ones.


If you really feel that Obama's plan is right for you, vote for him.
I do, and I will.


If you have common business sense and don't care to look into what he's really saying, vote for McCain.
I edited your quote to make it more accurate, hope you don't mind.


Having a hissy fit
Nobody did that.


over a Right Winger's opinion isn't going to change the outcome of the Presidential Election.
Well duh...


Remember; freedom of speech is not reserved just for Left Wingers.
I never said it was only reserved for left wingers, but that doesn't mean I can't call you out on saying things that
A. Aren't true (like McCain!)
B. Are the product of a selfish mentality (Like Palin!)
or C. Show traits of a person who is incredibly naive how the world works and truly thinks there's no racial divide, no poverty divide, no gender divide, etc. (Like both of them!)


If you'll notice through out this thread, I've voiced my opinions based on facts, not fiction, and have not resorted to foul language.
I actually don't think you're telling the truth, to me or to yourself.
And I mean, yeah you didn't "resort to foul language" but you said something so ignorant (and continue to say things of the same caliber) that I find it a lot more offensive.
They're words, get over it.


Generally speaking, Right Wingers are a little more diplomatic. You've just proven my point about Left Wingers being whiners, complaining and acting like a 4 year old having a temper tantrum.
Again, nobody had a temper tantrum. I just think you're a selfish human being.
I say that with a calm face. I think that you are selfish and naive in your beliefs.


Grow up
In case you forgot, I'm not the one who resorted to "osama obama" and "oral office" jokes.


and accept the fact that we all have our own opinions and we are all entitled to the same Constitutional right known as freedom of speech.
I do accept that, in fact now it seems you are trying to infringe on my right to freedom of expression. I am currently expressing how I feel about what you've said. I expect the same from you.
Now the question for you is, when will you grow up and accept the fact that not everybody has the same opportunity and that being born into poverty can be a life sentence with no chance for parole (ugh I hate metaphors)?
When will you grow up and accept that those people need our help and as privileged Americans your opposition to offering that help is selfish?
When will you grow up and accept the fact that while there are some people who abuse programs like welfare and unemployment, those people are the exception and NOT the norm.
When will you grow up and accept that without unemployment, thousands of people would not be able to feed their families in times of need?
When will you grow up and realize that the way you and your beloved presidential candidate think about money is designed to do one thing and one thing only:
Get the rich richer by making the poor poorer.


If that offends you, move to another country where freedom of speech doesn't exist.
And now you're jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth.
Your right to say what you want doesn't offend me, it is your ignorant and selfish mindset that offends me.

Have a nice day :)

Infoamtek
11-01-2008, 03:13 PM
I have a word for you, "THEFT"! Money taken forcibly from one person to give to another is theft, even if it is the the government that is doing the stealing.

Haunt Lord
11-01-2008, 03:17 PM
I would like to say BRAVO! and give a standing ovation to WeAreTheUnion for such a reasonable and easy to understand response! Well done!

Mike Honcho
11-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Redistributing the wealth....

Yesterday on my way to lunch, I passed one of the homeless guys in that area, with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." Once inside I noticed my waiter had on an "Obama '08" tee shirt. When the bill came, I decided not to tip the waiter and explained to him while he had given me exceptional service, that his tee shirt made me feel he obviously believes in Senator Obama's plan to redistribute the wealth. I told him I was going to redistribute his tip to someone that I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. He stood there in disbelief and angrily stormed away. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $3 and told him to thank the waiter inside, as I had decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy looked at me in disbelief but seemed grateful. As I got in my truck, I realized this rather unscientific redistribution experiment had left the homeless guy quite happy for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn. Well, I guess this redistribution of wealth is going to take a while to catch on with those doing the work.

Vote McCain

Uptown Haunts
11-01-2008, 06:51 PM
Thank God (Yes, "God") I'm not PMS-ing like some folks. My working years started with earning just $2.10/hour and I paid taxes on that income. Federal, state, local work privilege, etc. Yep, I've been paying taxes since earning next to nothing. And I was lucky to get that part time job at the time. Jobs were extremely scarce then. What's really amazing is that I've paid every tax dollar I ever owed. All of my income since day one was documented and reported. Being white and since my parents made just above the maximum income limit to qualify, college tuition money was unavailable for me. They didn't earn enough to pay for my continuing education out of their own pockets either. If I were a minority, that would have been a different story but, that's just the way things worked out and I've learned to deal with it by creating my own opportunities.

For those of you who believe in the American Dream as I still do, that's great. It's difficult to achieve but it can be done. The point I'm making is that it's not completely impossible. The fact that not everybody can get there for various reasons or because of their circumstances is no surprise. But, people who earn less than certain income levels qualify for tuition, Public Assistance (Welfare) in the form of food stamps, medical cards, grant money and numerous other government programs for the underprivileged. Even I had to resort to Public Assistance when I was out of work at one time in my life so, I'm speaking from first hand experience. The government also provides job training programs. Tax revenue has always funded these programs and I feel they should continue because there really are people in the position that WeAreTheUnion has pointed out. Nobody can argue that fact. I certainly didn't.

For those of you who don't believe in the American Dream, you may want to just give up, sit on your lazy ass, whine, cry, complain and start taking your Mydol. The chronic complaining is really getting old. Just because one person can't seem to get a break doesn't mean thousands or even millions of others never will either. It does happen. If you can't see that, you need to get your head out of your own ass and look around. Don't forget about the government programs. If you, your parents, wife, husband, working age kids, grandparents, friends, neighbors, etc. have paid into these programs through their income tax revenue, go and get your fair share but stop whining and always playing the victim. You can reach your goals but you need to take the first step. That would be making an effort. You just have to get up off of your lazy ass, get with the program and do it.

Higher taxes will generate more revenue on a government level but, what does it do for the business owner? For one thing, it increases their operating costs. How do they compensate for this increase? Higher prices, lower pay for employees, no more benefits for their employees, lay offs, outsourcing to other countries to remain competitive, etc. Anybody with an I.Q. of less than 7 can figure that out.

Sorry for the language but that seems to be the only way some people will get the message. Then again, maybe I'm being too optimistic.....

Carnival of Frights
11-01-2008, 07:14 PM
Mike Honcho, I'm glad to know that you are the originator of that email that has been going around for weeks. Nice plagiarism.

Uptown Haunts, Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are females or PMS-ing or whining or complaining. I see them stating facts that you happen to disagree with. Quit your griping about others expressing their views.

We are allowed to support Obama!

Uptown Haunts
11-01-2008, 08:50 PM
I'd like someone to point out where I am being "selfish" on this tax topic. In these forums, one person will make a point, another will make a counter point. I've been in both of these positions but never realized how much my opinions and personal experiences would offend others. Including earning $2.10/hour and paying taxes on it. Wow, I'm gonna burn in Hell for that one. I'll probably burn in Hell for my contributions to Habitat for Humanity, AIDS research, Cancer research and various other worth while causes. None political.

I've already stated that if you agree with Osama Obama's Socialism platform, vote for him. If you have business sense and would like to see American companies create better jobs and stay in America, vote for McCain. Everybody has their own opinions, including me, but I get bashed for my opinions and then get bashed again for defending them or exercising my right to free speech. What's wrong with this picture?

Without success, there would be no jobs, movies, construction, cell phones, concerts, computers, cars/trucks, air lines, food, clothing, skate boards, banks, stocks, haunt industry equipment or supplies, etc. As a society, we need businesses (big and small) to be successful. If they are not successful, they disappear. So does all of the stuff I just mentioned above. The United States is a Capitalistic society. It depends very heavily on the dollar. With more dollars comes more of everything else. I'm not interested in Socialism. Okay, now for some more Uptown Haunts bashing....

Mike Honcho
11-01-2008, 10:08 PM
Mike Honcho, I'm glad to know that you are the originator of that email that has been going around for weeks. Nice plagiarism.



Well I am glad to see that you got my emails hahah

HauntedPhantom
11-02-2008, 04:02 PM
Dear Uptown Haunts,

I respect you as a person and I respect your right to free speech. I also don't believe the real issue is that you are 'being "selfish" on this tax topic.' However, I want you to understand the reason others are reacting so negatively to your posts, and therefore you think they are bashing you. This is simply because in the process of presenting your views, you continue to insult so many.

Not only do you insult Obama by calling him Osama Obama, but you insult females, especially those who currently have menstrual cycles which is likely most of them who view these boards, "Dumb-o-crats," and anyone who has business sense.

I happen to have excellent business sense. I have a college degree. I am not a minority or anyone else who has been handed anything. I am not lazy. I earned everything I have. I slowly worked my way up from nothing to making in the 6 digit range annually. I have absolutely no debt except my mortgage (no credit card or other debts). I am wise enough not to have lost any money due to our economy problems.

I am also wise enough not to listen to propaganda. I am well aware that almost all politicians will say what is necessary to reach their target audience in order to get their votes. And I realize that in order to save our failing economy, we are going to have to pay in some form, whether it's through sales tax, personal income taxes, business taxes, etc. Most politicians are saying now what they think they need to say in order to be elected. Then they will listen to their advisors and hopefully heed their advice and do what is best to save the economy from failing. Previous politicians have not always followed the recommendations of their advisors. I find it ironic that the recent bailout was for the amount required to finance the war in Iraq.

In all of my wisdom and with all of my terrific business sense, I voted for Barack Obama. I believe others should do the same.

Haunted Phantom

Nightgore
11-02-2008, 05:06 PM
Just go vote... either way, America loses! jeez... -Tyler

actiondeath
11-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Believe it or not, I am still on the fence. No idea who will better suit me and mine. I can't help it, based on facts, both sides have their good and bad qualities. I fear for Obama's well being if he's elected. As closed minded and intolerant as most of this country is, he may not make it till January. Also, the fact that Sarah Palin could possibly become the president scares the shit out of me.


Higher taxes will generate more revenue on a government level but, what does it do for the business owner? For one thing, it increases their operating costs. How do they compensate for this increase? Higher prices, lower pay for employees, no more benefits for their employees, lay offs, outsourcing to other countries to remain competitive, etc. Anybody with an I.Q. of less than 7 can figure that out.

This is what cracks me up! In the last 50 or so years, has there been a single presidential term, during which taxes and thus operating costs did not go up in some form or another? Has there been a single term during which product and service prices did not increase to compensate? Layoffs and outsourcing are happening NOW and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Someone somewhere was 'innovative' and 'revolutionary' in thinking "someone in the Philippines would probably do this job for PENNIES!" No law against it. Hell, they probably called it "The American Dream".

Bottom line... taxes will ALWAYS increase. Businesses will ALWAYS be forced to look for new ways to increase profits and cut costs. I completely understand anyone who doesn't like it. I hate the fact that any American company would have to lay people off or outsource in order to counter an increase in operating costs. It's a pain in the ass, but it IS part of your "American Dream". To think that any one president could EVER change this fact, to me, is naive and lazy.

Uptown Haunts
11-02-2008, 07:40 PM
I'd like to thank the last few respondents for taking the time to make mature, sensible comments in regard to their views, and mine, on this topic.

Jordan24
11-02-2008, 07:40 PM
This is what cracks me up! In the last 50 or so years, has there been a single presidential term, during which taxes and thus operating costs did not go up in some form or another?

1980. Ronald Reagan came in after Jimmy Carter, lowered taxes and kept them low for his entire term. That worked out pretty well as far as the government generating revenue, government actually generated the most revenue ever at the time.

HauntedPhantom
11-02-2008, 10:25 PM
I fear for Obama's well being if he's elected. As closed minded and intolerant as most of this country is, he may not make it till January. Also, the fact that Sarah Palin could possibly become the president scares the shit out of me.



Dear Action Death,

I hear you loud and clear on this and actually considered both parts when making my decision. I promise I'm not going to tell you how to vote, but I will say that our President will always have the utmost security we offer, and no matter how determined the intolerant masses are, we can't let that affect our decisions or that's just bowing to intolerance.

I will also say that if something were to happen to the President even with all of the security we have, and I certainly hope it never would, we have to consider who would take over as President because that's a reality. And the VP could take over if the President were to die because of completely unrelated issues, such as health, some freak accident, or any number of reasons which are probably more likely scenarios because of the extreme security surrounding the President.

I just thought I would share more of my thoughts on the matter. I realize it's not an easy decision. I wish us all only the best!

Haunted Phantom

HauntedPhantom
11-03-2008, 12:01 AM
Dear Jordan24,

You may search the internet for more info on Reagan's tax increases, but he had two major ones that negated his big 1981 tax cut. You may read details of them at http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh060804.shtml and lots of other places online, but this one seems to sum up well how tax cuts are just covered in other ways.

Haunted Phantom

Jim Warfield
11-03-2008, 12:38 AM
In the American Dream it has usually involved finding a more militarilly backward country than your own and moving in to take the items of value, if they resit, kill them, sign worthless treaties, move them across a river with no food , let them starve, go to war in the spring and don't forget to kill all the women and children.
Later huge oil/fuel gulping bombers were made to do the dirty work from very high altitudes, a cleaner method, removing the sight of horrid death from the vision of the highly trained pilots.
The rich need more tax breaks so that money can be sent away to other workers working for pennys, that is where the jobs will be made, do those workers pay taxes to the US? No. We lose again. Good and smart move giving those wealthy people more money to" invest".
Maybe Henry Ford #1 is to blame? He always had another supplier working just a little cheaper just a few more miles down the road to replace his present supplier if that guy got more greedy. Now that road goes to China and Bangladesh, soon to extend large open air workshops where starving Chimps wil be trained and tortured to operate machines for a mere banana (of questionable quality?)

shawnc
11-03-2008, 02:41 AM
Dear Uptown Haunts,

However, I want you to understand the reason others are reacting so negatively to your posts, and therefore you think they are bashing you.

Haunted Phantom

I don't think there are that many "others" here. It looks like some joined just to post on this thread. Maybe Larry can look into that.

I also disagree with the concept of The American Dream as some have described it here. "Dream" sounds way too easy, and shame on those of you who say that the people on the bottom have no shot at it. Just gets lots of sleep and you will eventually get everything you want? In reality, you better set goals and work hard towards them, not just at your job to pay your bills. Dreaming isn't going to get it done, and calling it The American "Dream" has evidently led millions to believe that it's easier than it is.

Uptown Haunts
11-03-2008, 08:22 PM
Martin Luther King had a dream.....
Think about it.

WeAreTheUnion
11-06-2008, 03:37 PM
I'd like to thank the last few respondents for taking the time to make mature, sensible comments in regard to their views, and mine, on this topic.

Pot...calling...kettle...black...
If you don't think that my responses were mature and sensible, then I think you need a mirror with which to take a good look at yourself, a band-aid for your boo-boo, and if necessary perhaps I could also call for a wahhmbulance.
I speak bluntly and will always refuse to tip-toe around issues. I will also refuse to apologize for that. This does not mean I am attacking you. My BELIEF is that people who share your views on taxes/wealth/etc. are selfish and money-hungry. I did not say "you're a selfish prick and should go fuck yourself," I simply stated that I was taught that refusing to help those in need is, in fact, selfish. I understand now that you claim to donate to charities and that is a righteous thing to do. Are you a selfish person? I don't know, probably not. Are your views on taxes selfish? Absolutely.
It is my right to respond to anything you say or do, just as it is your right to respond to anything I or anyone else says or does. I think now is a good time to emphasize that you also have the right to walk away, so the fact that you continued to respond nullifies any whining (yes, whining - isn't choice of words a fun game?) you may feel entitled to. If the conversation was too "immature" or for you (which I find hard to believe), then perhaps you should have avoided name-calling in the first place, and then you should have just left it alone. Something tells me you're not really offended so much by my tone, could it be you realize I'm right and a majority of the country now agrees with me? Hmmm...
I fired back against your offensive comments with a tone of arrogance and anger, because you have to fight fire with fire. You set the tone of the argument with comments like oral office, osama obama, etc. Further, I never ONCE stooped to the level of name-calling you or your candidate of choice, a feat which you failed to manage at multiple stops along the way.
So...who's the immature one? I'm lost.

Uptown Haunts
11-06-2008, 05:24 PM
I've never refused help to anyone who needed it and probably never will unless I am unable to do so. I don't believe my views on taxes is selfish at all. Based on my business practices, more money for the company means more money available that can be spent on my employees, charities, etc. I didn't know that was such a selfish thing. Remember, I started working at $2.10/hr compared to your $7.15/hr regardless of the time frame.

Rather than "cherry pick" my words like the Left Wing media, you may want to read all of them and see that I also pointed out that there are already numerous programs available to those who need help in various ways. I also stated that I needed this assistance at one time in my life so, yes, I was one of those people you always whine about but I turned down the food stamps. All I took was the medical card which covered 100% of all medical bills if necessary. Was I being selfish? If so, wouldn't that make others in the position you speak of selfish? Giving nothing or almost nothing and expecting something in return.

With Osama Obama's tax plan, he will pull more working capital out of the economy. Where does it go? Will Osama Obama share it with you? With me? With others around the country? I found out today that Osama Obama asked his supporters to continue contributing to his campaign fund. The election's over. Who is being selfish now? Since you seem to be the expert and claim to be "right", could you explain this whole thing to me and the rest of the Haunt World community? I'd really appreciate that.

If you find my comments offensive, I won't apologize and you really need to grow up. Your choice of words doesn't seem to be too "flowery" either. I'm neither angry nor arrogant. Just voicing my opinions based on experience. Remember, I've been dealing with Dumb-O-Crats bashing me, due to my accidental relationship to my political parents, since 1964. I didn't choose this path but it still continues today. Should I just sit back and say nothing? If so, could you demonstrate by example? I highly doubt it.

Uptown Haunts
11-06-2008, 06:04 PM
Will Osama Obama help the needy with his multiples of $250,000? It must be nice to have lots of disposable income....

Jim Warfield
11-11-2008, 10:32 PM
"Bought" via freely given donations from average people versus previous elections "Stolen" via having your brother be the governor of hanging Chad.
Every election has been "bought".
Sort of like taking your street driver to a concours car show and wondering why your 63 Studebaker didn't beat out the Ferrarri that was trailered in.

Uptown Haunts
11-12-2008, 07:06 AM
Jim,

Who do politicians "buy" elections from? Is there an Election store somewhere that I don't know about? Can I get a price list?

Printing, mailing and advertising for an election campaign can get pretty expensive even on a small scale. All money must be accounted for as required by law. With my mother's current county row office that she holds, we ran huge fund raisers in the first 3 of her election cycles. Each term is 4 years. Since then, we ran smaller events which yielded far less campaign revenue and received even smaller donations. Naturally, all printing, mailing and advertising costs have gone up considerably since her first campaign. People just don't have the extra cash to kick into campaigns anymore.

Being well liked by the voting public and running a clean, efficient office, there was one election where she won by a margin of just over 37,000 votes county-wide with a total of 96,000 votes cast for her office. In her first election victory, she won by only 28 votes out of 92,000 total. Voting machine recounts took about a month. She is now in her 9th consecutive elected term of office. Proof that not every election has been bought. Some people actually earn it.

JamBam
11-17-2008, 05:59 AM
The issue of redistribution of wealth is ongoing.

When the Reagan tax cuts hit, I was a laid off construction worker. My part of the pie was reduced by Reagan because the unemployment comp was taxed for the first time.

Who benefited? The people needing it the least. Some would say, those are the 3-5 % of the population netting $ 200-250 K.

So, in the Reagan tax plan, the wealth was "redistributed" to the top.

Now, Mr. Obama has proposed repealing Bush's tax cut and go back to pre-Reagan taxes. McCain has so many foot soldiers (most of whom will never net 250K), including "Sam the Sewer cleaner" (Joe the plumber for you that believe the BS) that it is sad. Sad that people don't even know they are helping undermine themselves. The McCain ads said Obama was going to raise taxes. What he didn't say was if you made less than 200-250 K, it didn't apply to you.

The financial bailout recently was done by the same administration that grew government by 40%. That means more taxes. The same admin that helped keep minimum wage stagnant for nearly ten years. All while the two wars were making many of his and Cheney's buddies fantastically rich.

Now unemployment is rising and will be until credit opens up. It is hard to argue with real data. Check out this chart http://www.ibew.org/legislative/W080714_JustFacts.pdf . It shows how when the federal deficit is low, the unemployment is low over the last 40 years.

All most people want is to make a decent living, support a family, and have a little spending cash. The American dream of becoming rich is left for two types of people. Those that inherit it and those that work their butts off, have some things go their way, and are able to succeed!

Marr Branch
09-07-2011, 07:44 PM
I only take cash at my haunt, u fellas making 250,000 a year might want to do the same.

badass
09-07-2011, 10:46 PM
when i get some time ( may be november) im gonna read this thread
the facts r in..were fuked
but its nothing new.. really..
we have been living on this false economy for way too long..
everyone fresh outa school..
livin in a house they dont own..
drivin a car they dont own ..
sittin on furniture they dont own..
watching a tv they dont own..
not tring to piss any one off here just chimin in
but this didnt happen over night..
and this country is plum dumb full of whiners....but smile
on the bright side...
people still love haunted houses
and i still love making em

so bring all your gold to the Haunted Hoochie..
highest prices paid..
at 20 bucks a gram..
your kids r countin on u

no really i will buy your gold

shawng
09-15-2011, 06:18 AM
I think this is an appropriate post to show our haunt promo vehicle, it definitely beats driving a hearse, and gets just as much attention :-)
10574

7thCIRCLEOFHELL
09-19-2011, 08:14 PM
Many haunted houses and hayrides are calming they bring in 65,000+ patrons. and if you were to take that times $20 price ticket which is very very low!!! Considering vip passes in such would make a total of 1.3 million!!!! take away half of that and and that's well over half a million for the year! Are my figures wrong or is this the business?

austind
04-13-2012, 11:25 AM
Larry I hate to say it but you are right. I am a business owner and my company is hiring right now. If I have to pay more taxes then my guys have to do more with less. Owning your own company means that you have to take care of your employees and make sure the have a job tomorrow, that means I have to make sure we make money for all of our well being. When cash flow is tight I am the one who will hold my checks for a month or so. When did it become a crime to make money and why does that mean that we have to support thoses who don't work hard. I started out with nothing and now do well for myself, but I have friends that don't put in the time and effort and collect handouts because it is easier than getting off thier butts. We all had that group of people that did nothing back in high school and a lot of them are struggling now. Is it my job to support them, they were told that if the didnt try that they would go nowhere in life, just like me. I have three guys that I hired as temps five years ago with only a high school education and they are now making over 60K a year. They worked hard, went the extra mile and actted like the we're part owners when it came to work, so now that I have trained them the make pretty good money. I can't find good help right now, and don't have the time to try 30 guys to find one good one. This is in Detroit where we have the worst unemployment in the country, it's easier to suck off the titt of society than to do what you can for yourself. Sorry for being negative but I had a kid at 18 it woke me up and I began working on becoming a man, I worked 3 jobs and we some how made ends meet. Now I am working on becoming a kid again by getting in to the haunt business, and hope to put more good people to work. I wish everyone a successful year this year, keep working hard and it will pay off in the long run.

P.S. you don't have to give the government any of your money if you spend it on more props.

shawng
04-13-2012, 12:15 PM
AustinD,

Just wanted to reply to this "P.S. you don't have to give the government any of your money if you spend it on more props. "

Thats not true, if you are buying props, especially anything worth over a few hundred dollars, they are depreciable assets, not expenses. So you can't make $100K in haunt profit, spend $100K on props and call it $0 taxable (not legally anyways).

austind
04-13-2012, 03:39 PM
You are correct unless you don't count it as a asset. If you lease the equipment on a short term lease you avoid this mess. Plus mask, prosthetic, fog juice, fire retardant and things like that are a operational expense. You can get creative with this also by increasing advertising and having family work for you that have a lower taxable rate. My son works for me and gets paid a high hourly rate and he has to pay for his own car and insurance out of those funds. This makes his car and insuranse basicly paid for out of the company funds leagaly and gives him a good reson to work hard. I also lease a lot of my own equipment from myself so they are an expense from another company I own that is not making alot of money and give me ability to suport my employees the better until it grows large enough to support it self. My wife is a CPA / Tax accountant and she has worked it all out so that the dollars are still taxable but at a lot less than normal. The bottom line to this rambling is that there are ways to work around problems especially if you have a good lawyers and CPA.

HauntedMemphis
04-18-2012, 11:06 AM
AustinD,

Just wanted to reply to this "P.S. you don't have to give the government any of your money if you spend it on more props. "

Thats not true, if you are buying props, especially anything worth over a few hundred dollars, they are depreciable assets, not expenses. So you can't make $100K in haunt profit, spend $100K on props and call it $0 taxable (not legally anyways).

They are depreciable over 10 years. So all you have to do is spend 10x what you make and you are all set.

Twin Locusts
04-18-2012, 11:44 AM
About 2/3 of Americans are currently struggling just to pay their bills. So when your concern is the tax on GM, Ford, White Castle, or the few who actually do make over $250,000 per year, I think you are not in touch with most of America, who are just trying to make it through each day. Let's worry about all of us first and then worry about giving the money-makers a tax break.

RF, I understand and am empathetic to your concern for workers. I can tell by the phrase, "not in touch with most of America", that you are, to some degree, in tune with political rhetoric. Please take the following as a sincere, humble attempt, to offer an understanding of the bigger picture - my remarks are in no way meant to be disrespectful or offensive. It's just that seldom have all the markers of misunderstanding been present in a single paragraph as yours above. Can't guess your age but at some point you have been lied to, egregiously lied to.

There is a simple but rarely understood concept in economics. It's called supply and demand.

When in preparation for your life via education, trade apprenticeships, backyard wrestling ;), etc you, at some point, decided to sell your time. Your plan was either long term or short term.

Once you make this decision you must find ways to fetch the highest dollar for what you have to sell. This two party transaction requires a buyer.

The buyer is also called an employer; in this role the buyer pays market value for labor or services by the hour.

When what you have to offer your village, your city, your market is labor-over-time you had best be concerned about the viability of the buyer. To take any other approach is an ideal instilled by romantic fiction, not economics. We are born owed nothing; each decision we make, great and small, leads us to a station in life chosen by us. Even having an opinion about the station of those that chose deeper education, risking capital in the market, or a trade that commands a higher price is one of the great embarrassments of America.

Alas, today is a new day and an opportunity to grow and compete in the market. An investment of 13:45 in the video below should improve your strategic approach to the labor market. If you work by the hour, think of yourself as a walking investment and use cost benefit analysis to find ways to improve your value everyday!

Godspeed, and good hunting!

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shawng
04-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Exactly the point i was trying to make, any prop that isnt a consumable (ie. low cost item, or cheap masks etc) HAS To be depreciated. I dont want to sound rude, but it doesnt matter if an accountant (or your wife whos an accountant) told you otherwise. Tax law is pretty clear on this. I mean you can claim and expense whatever you want, you can expense something that never cost you a dime, but if an audit comes.... watch out!

drfrightner
02-01-2013, 01:34 PM
I think this topic got way off track here...

Getting back to the original post I wanted to say something here... I think almost ANY haunted house can gross over $250k any day all day long. With the ticket prices as high as they are now this is nothing to achieve honestly. We are talking what 10,000 to 15,000 paying guests ... depending on your ticket price you should be able to achieve this number every single season.

I just wanted to say if you are not hitting these numbers don't despair because I can help you not only crush that number but hit numbers much higher.

I can honestly say if my haunted houses did this amount we'd be talking about an auction right after the season... my expenses are so high its not even funny. So if you are running a modest haunt with modest expenses I think you can make a profit at these numbers if you do things the smart way.

Most haunters run around buying 10,000 animations that break five minute later, or spend what little they do spend on the wrong things... in order to build up your business you must start with yes a good product (your haunt) but you must also have an even better presentation.

I'd ask all the haunts who voted NO they do not make this amount of money look in the mirror... view your website, your photos, your videos, logo, flyers tv ads, or whatever do they stack up are they any good compared to what you know is out there? If the answer is no then that is where you start right there... you could and can correct all of that with less than 10,000 you wasted on a broken animation.

If you correct all the things I just mentioned watch your attendance DOUBLE in the first year...

I've said it before and I hope people take notes and follow along and believe what I'm saying because I'm 110% right!

Look attend my seminar at TW... I do one seminar a year always geared towards what I enjoy most HELPING PEOPLE MAKE MORE MONEY! If you don't take my seminar and you attend some silly how to make a prop or detail something seminar you are a complete FOOL! Yes those seminars are cool but you are haunters you should know this stuff already... you should be making yourself a smarter business man, operator, more of a marketing guru over and above all else. Trust me! Seriously take my seminar and I will help change your life and your business! It will be the best one at the show I know this for a fact... because I will teach you how to make your business better!!! In my mind that is the single most important thing you need to know because once you accomplish that you can do all the other stuff because you'll have more money to do the detail, to buy the props to do things you couldn't before... then those seminars are more important than the business because now you can refine your product with a healthy budget!!!

Lastly BUY THIS DVD http://www.hauntedhousesupplies.com/how_to_ultimate_success_dvd.htm

I did make this video to get rich, I made it to HELP YOU PERIOD!

Larry

Coasterbp
09-06-2014, 06:13 PM
Lastly BUY THIS DVD http://www.hauntedhousesupplies.com/how_to_ultimate_success_dvd.htm

I did make this video to get rich, I made it to HELP YOU PERIOD!

Larry

Freud might have something to say about the little mistype on your last sentence. lol

-=CoasterBP

gorezone
09-11-2014, 11:59 PM
Funny! You might be right there. To answer the question though I wish my haunt made 250 grand. We are working towards it.