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oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
01-31-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm designing a maze and one of the scenes I'm going to require the small group of patrons to step into a furnace used to burn the bodies in the morgue.
I know a company that can provide the fake flames but does anyone else have a company they use or different product they use to produce REALISTIC fake fire?

The site I use is Technifex.com

Nightgore
01-31-2009, 12:59 PM
Those faux fire systems are very expensive and require ALOT of up keep! For a "walk in the furnace" I would just load it with THICK fog, fire colored lighting, burning/cracking sounds, and the smell of smoke and burnt stuff... think about it, furnaces are normally maxed on smoke... so this makes the illusion very easy to create! -Tyler

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
01-31-2009, 01:05 PM
Thats true. Smell of burnt stuff obvious. The sound of crackling a must... But I actually want them to be timid about walking into something that actually looks like fire. They need that actual fear of walking into a flame before they realize its just fog. Then BAM!! Great scare. If its just fog and lighting kinda makes it a waste of time. Just another room.

Boni
01-31-2009, 06:16 PM
I was thinking of something similar, but kind of like a gas chamber. They walk into a room, you close the big door behing them like slamming an oven, then start sending fog into the room.

These fog machines always come with asthma warnings, subjecting people to fog in an enclosed space, is this wise?

Nightgore
01-31-2009, 07:00 PM
For a prolonged period... it wouldn't be wise! But for the few seconds this scene would take place, it should be ok... I'd place up the normal warnings and what-not. -Tyler

hauntedhousenut
01-31-2009, 08:21 PM
I'm designing a maze and one of the scenes I'm going to require the small group of patrons to step into a furnace used to burn the bodies in the morgue.
I know a company that can provide the fake flames but does anyone else have a company they use or different product they use to produce REALISTIC fake fire?

The site I use is Technifex.com

Technifex is the cadillac when it comes to flames, one things for sure you definitley have expensive taste, one of there smaller units run about eight grand.

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
01-31-2009, 08:31 PM
Thankyou for that information. I've been contacting them over the last few months to get a price qoute and nothing back. So that info helps ALOT.

Jim Warfield
01-31-2009, 10:02 PM
I had a really old light blinker from a car dealer's sign. It had two patterns, sort of like :
On-off-on-off-on-off while the second pattern was sort of like : On-off-off-on-off-off-on.
I had a yellow bulb at one end of the room and red bulb at rhe other, these two lights in such a pattern did make what looked like a light pattern of flames from the outside of the house through the uncurtained windows.
The blinker was a totally mechainical design with a rotating horizontal wheel that had current pick up points all driven by a small 120 volt electric motor.
This finally quit, it was probably from the 1950's it flashed about 100 small 120volt bulbs on a big sheet metal arrow to show you where their service department doorway was on the side of the building.

Mike Honcho
02-01-2009, 11:39 AM
Technifex is the cadillac when it comes to flames, one things for sure you definitley have expensive taste, one of there smaller units run about eight grand.

only 8k lol hell ima get 60 of em then hahahahah

RJ Productions
02-01-2009, 12:14 PM
I woould have to agree with Tyler I would use fog and other effects to replicate the environment. $8 Grand for basically a distraction effect??? The Technifex is awesome, but if too realistic who would actually "walk" through it?? You don't want to stop them from entering but get them once they are inside.

You could have fog in the furnace chamber, then I would place flickering orange and red lights to give the fog that look of fire in the background. Or place several of the silk flame lights on each side of the room. In the fog they would look like the ends of the gas furnace jets in a "resting" position. You could have a subdued crackling noise playing in the background. Get a Sinister Scent of buring wood or flesh if they have it.

Then when you close the door a LOUD sound like the oven door slamming is played though your sound system. Now the fun.... evavate everything... blast the fog, increase the intensity of the lights, or if you use the silf flames now add an orange flood or two, have the sound change from subdued crackling to the sound of a gas burner on full, if possible you could even place a heater or two on each side and blast them on!

Now you have an intense effect with easily attainable materials at a fraction of the cost.

Good luck.

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-01-2009, 12:24 PM
well ok. I'm not opposed to turning it on once inside. They could trigger it or something. Or just the lighting would be turned off while the fog is on. That way it looks just like smoke.
The other thing is I would like to build my own. 8 grand is alot for a distraction. But I still want it. If I could build one with equal quality for less I'd love to then maybe sell it to you guys. EVIL LAUGH. But seriously does anybody know specifics on how to build it. Or will I be on my own on this one.

robos99
02-01-2009, 12:47 PM
You won't get anyone to tell you specifically how to build a vendor's products. Partly because I'm sure most people don't know. If you read the website then you know they use a steam system combined with lights to pull off the effect. But I'd bet if you merely took a steam pipe and stuck some lights and a fan under it you wouldn't get near the same effect. If you can't afford to buy the actual system, then you need to find another solution, not have someone tell you how to build the very expensive product for cheap.

You're better off going with the suggestions already given than trying to duplicate something someone else is selling.

One idea....record the sound your furnace or stove makes when the burner is ignited. On a stove you could record the sound going from low to high. Amplify this in the scene after the guests step inside the furnace. Most people should instantly recognize this sound. Combined with increased fog output and maybe some silk flame effects, it could be rather convincing that the furnace is firing up with them inside.

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-01-2009, 10:46 PM
Not that i dont appreciate your input but I will never use fabric to create a flame. Its extremely hokey and I hate it.

On a different topic I was just seeing if anyone had an idea for the lighting system. I'm not so sure how it works but I already have a prototype build. No lighting system though. Havent played with that yet.

Kallie
02-02-2009, 04:12 AM
Not sure if this will help :
http://www.garageofevil.com/projects/color_organ.php

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-02-2009, 10:35 AM
thankyou so much for that link. I think this might be the winner for the lighting system. Its the final component. All thats left is to play with the angle and the mirror with the hazer. thanks Kalie.

Jim Warfield
02-04-2009, 05:51 PM
Like if you need or want them to sit down make sure what they are to sit on is made of fireproof material, like steel or concrete, this small fact might work it's way into the back of their mind and pose the question:"Is this really going to turn into an oven or furnace?"
I had a customer tell me about a haunt they attended when they were a kid in Texas in which the only exit was through an open doorway surrounded by flames.
The flames were not real but everyone sure thought that they were.

nzanesmith
02-04-2009, 06:36 PM
What about a water screen projection combined with heat, fog and smells. You can adjust your "water screen" so its more of a mist or fog stream so you don't soak your guests and then have a projector project a looped video of actual fire on the "water screen." Place inferred lamps at the entrance of the room to provide the heat with little light and have the room full of fog and smells along with the lighting tricks everyone else has offered. Of course you'd have to have some form of a drain under the screen with a catch tank and a circulating pump but i think it would be a great effect.

Nick

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-04-2009, 07:37 PM
See now Jim is just backing up my need for a psychological scare.

The water screen wasn't something I had thought of. I'll definately look into that. Thanks for that idea.

Allen H
02-05-2009, 12:26 AM
Im going to second Nick. I would try a projector above the door they walk through, project flames on the fog filled room, with lights in the room also I think thats a winner. I did a similar thing last year and it worked splendidly. If you make your own flame DVD just have the looping flame that you want be your menu screen that loops automatically without having to be reset at the end of its run time. and make the play buttons invisible.
good luck and get us pics of your progress,
Allen H

nzanesmith
02-05-2009, 12:34 AM
Well I sure am happy my first real post on the board seamed to be well received and a productive though :-)

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-05-2009, 08:24 AM
Nick you were more then productive. When I open up hopefully next year if not the year after that and your in my area I want you to act for me. PWETTY PWETTY PWEASE. HAHA no if you ever want to act for me you'll always have a job waiting.

RJ Productions
02-05-2009, 08:15 PM
Hey Oak Hill, I probably just missed it, but were is your haunt or is your haunt goning to be??
If you open this year you need to start on a web site soon. Trust me, the best investment you can make in marketing your attraction!! (Oh...I don't do web sites so it's not a plug!!!LOL!!!)

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-05-2009, 08:41 PM
Thanks for that tip. But realistically MY haunt won't be open REALISTICALLY for 2 or 3 years. I'm going to work internship with one or two haunts in between then to make some money and get real experience.