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Jonathan
02-02-2009, 11:42 AM
http://www.rfrpodcast.com/haunthottie/JACKIE/RFR_Haunt_Hottie_Jackie4.jpg

If you tuned in to Rotting Flesh Radio this week already know that we announced the OFFICIAL RFR HAUNT HOTTIES coming with the show to Conventions, Tradeshows, etc.

This week we introduced you to JACKIE, the RFR HAUNT HOTTIE. We will be upping a full gallery of Jackie this week with a variety of poses, shots and even more to come! Here is a few shots so you now can Sit Back, Relax and Rot Away… and get to know Jackie.

Remember, if you are interested in becoming one of the RFR Haunt Hotties be sure to email us a photo, and tell us about yourself. Become part of the Rotting Flesh Radio Haunt Hotties. Email us at: rfr@ rfrpodcast.com.

SEE THE WHOLE SLIDESHOW ON THE RFR HOMEPAGE
www.RottingFleshRadio.com

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 12:37 PM
That other haunt site ummm, haunternet did this and I personally think its tasteless. It may seem like a good idea but in the end has no benefit to a haunt website. For years haunts have tried to shed images of bad shows, tasteless scene, devil worship and worse.

I don't see how sexy chics wearing sexual cloths with some blood on them somehow is related to reporting on haunted news and events. I think you do a good job at what you do so I would think somethng like this really only damages your image rather than enhances it.

Me personally I'm not offended by things like this but many people are and turned off by the whole approach. I think people who use woman to sell something or promote something are mere gimmicks for window shoppers.

I think its something you should second guess.

Just my opinion!

Larry

Jonathan
02-02-2009, 01:20 PM
Larry,

the point is way different from the other sites out there. These girls are the ones that will be the ones entering the Miss Midwest Scary Pageants, Body Art Shows, and so on.

So sometimes they will look beautiful, other times they may be the Best Zombie out there in a Actor Seminar. A variety of different roles. I think you are thinking of items like the Suicide girls and things like that.

This is nothing like that at all. These are girls that will be part of the Haunt Industry's many events. Not just hanging around the RFR booth like a Hooters girl.

Hope that makes some sense to you.

These aren't bondage girls, or garbage like that, these are Haunters, being Haunters but doing it on behalf of RFR. No different from a Haunt having their female actresses enter contests and events on their behalf.

Well, anyhoo...Haunt On.

Darkangel
02-02-2009, 04:28 PM
This girl doesn't look much like the haunter girls I've seen at haunts! lol

Seriously, I don't think its a great idea either. It's not needed you already do an amazing job why taint it with low brow gratuitous T&A? Hot chicks and sexual things should be seperated from the haunt industry....

Darkangel

Jonathan
02-02-2009, 05:16 PM
I think the part many are missing is it is not about T&A. JAckie for example has been a vampress, made up as horrifying and scary as possible and many of the team have taken the Crazy Bob Hauntertainer U. I think too many can't around the photo shown.

I do appreciate all your input. I will say though it will probably make more sense when you see the in the miss midwest scary pageant (which is def. not T&A) and guest Haunting at Haunted Attractions.

But please keep the feedback coming. Feedback is a good thing. And hopefully someone understands what I am saying on the topic. LOL.

And Thank all for you for the nice words about the RFR Show. It is appreciated knowing you all dig it.

xxxdirk
02-02-2009, 05:31 PM
Um, it is Jonathans choice to do with his site what he wants, the same as its Larry's choice to do with his haunt & site whatever he wants. Its a business decision. As far as saying that she does not look like any character in a haunt, that is just silly! I have seen sexy, bloody girls at counless haunts wearing skimpy outfits. Like it or not SEX SELLS! Anyone see the Go Daddy comercials? Tasteless? Yes, Stupid? Yes, but it does work! I am not saying every haunt should have some sex appeal, but I think if a haunt has a few sexy girls (&guys) in it, it will help bring those teenie boopers in.

Darkangel
02-02-2009, 05:41 PM
Sex does sell, in the porn industry not haunted houses. To survive and thrive we need families as well as mature adults, why add it if its not needed it won't make your haunt scarier or better its tactless. Dirk with your reasoning why don't we just thrown some loose looking chicks on every thing anyone does for marketing because it works! Maybe Disney can put lingerie on all the princesses in the parks and dress Minnie Mouse up like a hooker right? Why not, it sells maybe they'll make more money forget about morals!

Darkangel

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 06:00 PM
I agree he can do whatever he wants with his site and I can do whatever I want...although lets not forget I'm told every single day what I'm doing wrong! LOL

Anyway I think its tacky, and derails exactly what he's built his whole entire site upon. The photo listed is suggestive and well un-needed.

I think you stand on what you've built the property upon and improve that alone. I just don't think its what Halloween is all about but whatever floats each others boats!

Larry

terrormasue
02-02-2009, 06:10 PM
Does anyone remember Elvira? OK, so what was that all about?

MDKing
02-02-2009, 06:13 PM
Elvira was not involved with the haunt industry right? Wasn't her show a late night show that showed Horror movies? I've not seen her shows so I don't know for certain...

Allan

xxxdirk
02-02-2009, 06:21 PM
So you guys that are against a femail showing skin can honestly say you have NEVER seen a girl in a haunt wearing anything provocative? That TOTALLY blows my mind. I have seen at least one at almost every haunt I have EVER visited, and am willing to bet there will be one resident "hottie" at every haunt I visit this convention season. Even last year when I went to House Of Shock, their preshow had things that pushed the envelope as far as sex......

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 06:25 PM
What is sexy about a riske girl covered in blood? LOL

All am saying Ron is sexy chics, in sexy photos, covered in blood has nothng to do with haunted houses, or Halloween it simply adds to sterotypes and I can assure this isn't the path to building a successful haunted house. I know this isn't a haunted house but its just un-needed.

Jonathon is doing a great job and doesn't need something like this, personally and again just my opinion will hurt his site and what it stands for more than help it. Again just my opinion!

As for Elvira she was a comic, and made movies, commercials and did more because of her COMEDY than ANYTHING including her boobs! LOL. Elvira is funny not some teenager with ripped cloths and blood all over them with some expression of 'come get me'.
Larry

terrormasue
02-02-2009, 06:30 PM
Elvira was very involved in the haunt industry, in fact 6-flags used her every Halloween when they put on their Haunt. She was featured in several attractions through out the years. I suppose I am telling my age here but many women dressed as Elvira during the Halloween season. However, most were not as well endowed.

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 06:33 PM
Ron,

House of Shock gets away with MURDER my friend because they are New Orleans... try putting on that show in the midwest or say Wisconsin you'd have the whole town against you. The city would do everything to shut you down... In New Orleans things are different there with people getting drunk 24 hours a day, voodo, the whole history of the city, everything.

I don't think there is a place in this nation where this could fly other than New Orleans. They have mad this work for them in that city, and I think that is great and unique for themselves, but I'm sure they would be the FIRST ONES TO TELL YOU...

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! LOL

Larry

xxxdirk
02-02-2009, 06:40 PM
Sigh.... Now Larry, I know you are going to want to call me after I post this, but I just have to. :) You say sex does not belong in a haunt? LOL!! I just went to YOUR site and clicked on photos. No there are no half naked girls, but there is sex and skin and blood. You have a voodoo guy, shirtless in one scene with a body I used to have 5 years ago. You have a shirtless guy walking around in your Q line. Why? SHOCK factor perhaps? You could have the actors wearing a shirt, and gotten across the same idea. Anyhow, the point goes back to ENTERTAINMENT ad doing whatever you feel ENTERTAINS the crowds. You can only have so many SCARY scenes before people get burnt out. Throw in something funny, or maybe some eye candy and then hit em again with the scares.

graystone
02-02-2009, 06:53 PM
But if anyone rather see me in a thong I guess I can do it for the better of the Industry! Shane and its strike a pose. Shane this time!

xxxdirk
02-02-2009, 06:57 PM
So Larry, what you are saying is that HOS knows what they can get away with and does it? So using that same logic if I think I know what will work in my community, I should do it? Yeah, If I was opening a haunt right in the middle of AMISH country, my haunt would be a LOT different as far as what I would have in say, Vegas. LOL No I am never going to have half naked girls running around my haunt (cause my wife would kill me) but I am not going to have my actresss wearing a turn of the century outfit that covers 99% of her body.

terrormasue
02-02-2009, 06:57 PM
I was watching a special on the haunted industry not too long ago and the people in New Orleans were protesting against the House of Shock. In fact when they interviewed the owner, who ever he was, and he was very proud that his attraction was so bad that the city was trying to shut him down. I agree with you Larry. People like that give the haunt industry a bad name. I also agree that women clothed in barely nothing covered with blood is somehow a turn on is wrong and extremely dangerous and as a woman I do not appreciate it. I would not entertain the notion of attending such an event. Good for you Larry.

Jim Warfield
02-02-2009, 07:06 PM
Where Dirk is coming from, I mean this is a paicture of him in his Vampress outfit isn't it?
Incredible costume Dirk!
Want to come here for a summer slumber party in my back woods behind the house? Be sure and come in that costume though.
Sex and lust has no place with blood, gore and violent criminal acts?
"HHHHMMMMMM?"
Sex and lust has no place with the supernatural?
Can you say succubus? Incubus?

I also understand why deciding to show or not to show certain things inside your haunt is a matter of personal choice, we all do that, I might do that more than most since I don't have blood, gore, or violent criminal acts portrayed since in real life there is usually a huge connection between crimial acts of violence and someone's sexual or social "wires" being severely crossed and I don't want to possibly have to explain the unexplainable to some young inquiring mind.

The Nazi Babe display upstairs is played for laughs in a light that one of the most effective serial-killers of all history, A. Hitler would not be able to see any humor in since he had no humor and therein lies the fun.

This house of mine is a haunted,haunted house but I distract people away from this fact by using humor and attempted humor as I try to keep the tourists from luring my succubus into their car when they leave.

Jonathan
02-02-2009, 07:19 PM
WOW. I never thought I'd have a ongoing thread on HW.

Well, first off THank You Ron for your input. I know you get what I am saying. You totally know what I mean by this and the concept behind it.

I also understand where some of you are coming from.

But here are a few things to consider:

A.
We are not going for House of Shock style. Nor ever claimed to go that road, or Suicide Girls or any of that.

B.
Everyone is basing all this off of a few photos. These were just meant to introduce her to everyone. She is the same Vampire Girl that welcomed people to CLub Vampire at MHC, no one had a problem with her then.

C.
The thought behind the RFR Haunt Hotties, isn't to sell sex. It is to have a female presence to RFR. I.E. Miss Midwest Scary Pageant. (FAR FROM T&A), Guest Acting at Haunted Attractions during the Haunt Season arranged by Rotting Flesh Radio. And also take Acting seminars by Bob Turner, and such. So there is many Haunt things related to it.

In fact, the girl in the photo is doing Make-Up for Haunted Attractions! And also has done the Body Art as well.

D.
I appreciate all your input. Wether good or bad, it can only help you grow and move in a direction when launching anything.

Thank all of you who have emailed me postive things about this, and also thank you who have emailed the negative. All good to hear either way. Hell, that is how I got RFR where it is today.

But hey, Ron, I will call you tomorrow too.

Jolly Pumpkin
02-02-2009, 07:27 PM
Wow, this is some of the most screwed up shit I've ever heard in my life. It's okay to have decomposing zombies, severed heads, blood splattered tables, maggots, fake feces, live demon births, simulated death, blood spewing bodies, dead infants, split open farm animals, massive beasts munching on human remains and the list goes on and on. But one innocent picture is shown of an attractive girl covered with fake blood the message board erupts with criticism.

It absolutely doesn't make sense and if something like that picture gets people this irritated then maybe you shouldn't be in the haunt industry to begin with. I've watched programs on The Darkness where one of your workers is showing how to create disgusting vomit, guts and blood, but this innocent picture is what sets people off. You're being just as bad as people who say that people involved in the haunt industry must worship the devil and that a haunted attraction should never be in a town because all it causes is problems.

Not everything on a haunt site is meant to further the industry. Don't forget that a large percentage of people are going to a site to look for haunts and need a reason to return when the season is over. Not everyone is involved in the industry and they just want to have a good time when visiting haunt related websites. I think people who don't have variety on their websites aren't going to increase their hits as much as they'd like. But this is just my opinion. Come on people lighten up. You're acting like her breasts are fully exposed and she's dressed as a nun. Get over it, get a life and just have fun. It's not always about representing the industry.

stafford
02-02-2009, 07:54 PM
It does sell, and Jonathan's not selling a haunt, he's selling his show. His show is haunt related, and horror related as well.

Anyone check out the marketing for a good majority of horror movies in the past...well, ever? How many young attractive females have been cut up and exploited in the name of promoting horror?

To each their own. Use it to your advantage or don't, but far be it from me to judge, when I've got a dead girl (who everyone calls a hooker), with her head split open on the floor in one of our rooms, yet I won't allow a horned anything anywhere in the haunt (can you guess a bit of my background)?

I guess essentially I'm saying, who cares.

Jonathan, you don't need to make any clarifications. Saying that it's tied in somehow to the Miss Scary pageant, really? There were dudes in that thing last year if I'm not mistaken :) If it's how you're choosing to market your show then go with it, see how it works out.

Larry, I'll expect to see no attractive women or men at your place in March :)

With the liberties that haunters take with such a wide variety of subjects, like the pot and the kettle I guess.

Chris

Haunted Illinois
02-02-2009, 08:33 PM
That other haunt site ummm, haunternet did this and I personally think its tasteless. It may seem like a good idea but in the end has no benefit to a haunt website. For years haunts have tried to shed images of bad shows, tasteless scene, devil worship and worse.
Well, regardless of whether or not it is tasteless, it definitely does attract attention and can boost the popularity of a site. Perhaps you're just mad you didn't think of doing it first?


Elvira was very involved in the haunt industry, in fact 6-flags used her every Halloween when they put on their Haunt. She was featured in several attractions through out the years. I suppose I am telling my age here but many women dressed as Elvira during the Halloween season.
So True.


Wow, this is some of the most screwed up shit I've ever heard in my life. It's okay to have decomposing zombies, severed heads, blood splattered tables, maggots, fake feces, live demon births, simulated death, blood spewing bodies, dead infants, split open farm animals, massive beasts munching on human remains and the list goes on and on. But one innocent picture is shown of an attractive girl covered with fake blood the message board erupts with criticism.
It absolutely doesn't make sense and if something like that picture gets people this irritated then maybe you shouldn't be in the haunt industry to begin with. I've watched programs on The Darkness where one of your workers is showing how to create disgusting vomit, guts and blood, but this innocent picture is what sets people off. You're being just as bad as people who say that people involved in the haunt industry must worship the devil and that a haunted attraction should never be in a town because all it causes is problems.
Not everything on a haunt site is meant to further the industry. Don't forget that a large percentage of people are going to a site to look for haunts and need a reason to return when the season is over. Not everyone is involved in the industry and they just want to have a good time when visiting haunt related websites. I think people who don't have variety on their websites aren't going to increase their hits as much as they'd like. But this is just my opinion. Come on people lighten up. You're acting like her breasts are fully exposed and she's dressed as a nun. Get over it, get a life and just have fun. It's not always about representing the industry.
Amen. To those offended, get over yourselves and realize that your scenes of gore and/or death are more offensive than any innocent picture of this girl.

It does sell, and Jonathan's not selling a haunt, he's selling his show. His show is haunt related, and horror related as well.
Anyone check out the marketing for a good majority of horror movies in the past...well, ever? How many young attractive females have been cut up and exploited in the name of promoting horror?
To each their own. Use it to your advantage or don't, but far be it from me to judge, when I've got a dead girl (who everyone calls a hooker), with her head split open on the floor in one of our rooms, yet I won't allow a horned anything anywhere in the haunt (can you guess a bit of my background)?
I guess essentially I'm saying, who cares.
Jonathan, you don't need to make any clarifications. Saying that it's tied in somehow to the Miss Scary pageant, really? There were dudes in that thing last year if I'm not mistaken If it's how you're choosing to market your show then go with it, see how it works out.
Larry, I'll expect to see no attractive women or men at your place in March
With the liberties that haunters take with such a wide variety of subjects, like the pot and the kettle I guess.
Chris
Amen, Amen, Amen!!!

Also, is what he is doing even close to being as morally objectionable as what some Haunters have done?
How about those involved in the website: "America’s Best Haunts"? These haunter prima donnas had claimed (perhaps fraudulently), without any real evaluation buy an Industry expert, that they have the “best” attractions in the country. Rotting Flesh Radio is doing nothing more than using a "mascot" to help promote their business. There is nothing wrong with that. At least they haven't misrepresented the business by claiming they are the "best" anything.

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 09:55 PM
Noah, Chris or whomever else... I hope you rush to my defence when people say I shouldn't do this that or the other in the future!!! Please do!

LOL

Secondly let me say I'm not offended at all... but I do think people will be and I do feel it is not neccessary benefit to his site. Lastly you say sex sells...not that, no one is going to come to the site to see bloody chics in half torn cloths.

Dude look around the net you can watch PORN FOR FREE NOW just like youtube, all porn is basically free now. So no I don't buy what you are saying not one freakin bit that somehow it will sell something it want, if anything it will trash up the site. Again my opinion! It will detract from the message they want to promote. Again my opinion!

These are my opinions however I 110% agree that people can do whatever they want... SO WITH THAT BEING SAID remember that next time everyone tells me what to do, how much to charge for something, or whatever. I AGREE! They are just my opinions and I'm offering MY OPINION because I think he's done a great job at trying to promote things and I'd hate to see it trashed up with teenagers covered in blood with torn cloths. It will turn people off and detract from the message of the site. Again just my opinion!

Larry

xxxdirk
02-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Jolly Pumpkin, I have to give you mad props for that post. That was freaking awesome!!

Jim Warfield
02-02-2009, 10:06 PM
That's why you carry a box of pet treats when you go visiting haunts, so you have a little something to give to their pet mascot!
"Nice Kitty, nice Kitty, don't bite, at least not hard."

stafford
02-02-2009, 10:09 PM
Larry,

I absolutely would, I stood up for you charging whatever you thought appropriate for your haunt tours, how soon you forget.

But lets not get all that restarted again...please.

Chris

drfrightner
02-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Chris,

I know you did and I didn't forget I was kidding you... hard to know the tone people have with the comments... I thought I threw in a LOL!!!

So let me do that now... LAUGH OUT LOUD!

Larry

Darkangel
02-03-2009, 07:26 AM
What you guys apparently failed to remember is that people are PAYING US for blood, guts, vomit, and scary stuff that's what they are there to see. If they want to see sleazy checks they can hit the strip club on the way home where they will be PAYING to see that and they will not be expecting to see blood, guts, vomit and scary things.

I have seen a few sleazy looking girls in haunts or in pics and videos and they usually offer very little if anything other than guys passing them by with crude comments, I've heard it and seen it. That's what you presented to your guests, then you will be getting those comments from guys. Dress like a ho, you get treated like a ho. If the female had any talent as an actress, she's be delivering great scares or powerful and convincing lines. Girls with little to offer upstairs(brain) feel to resort to this type of approach, and sadly there are too many people out there ready and willing to exploit it even in the haunt industry.

Darkangel

SomeThingInTheIce
02-03-2009, 05:33 PM
Halloween Horror Nights uses sexy girls every year, he// they did a vampire house one year and all the girls were hot and all the guys were buff and cut and it was a damn good house. They use sex from the house and street actors to hot girls and guys selling jello shots. In most horror movies the hot chick always dies.

hauntedhousenut
02-03-2009, 05:59 PM
http://www.rfrpodcast.com/haunthottie/JACKIE/RFR_Haunt_Hottie_Jackie4.jpg

If you tuned in to Rotting Flesh Radio this week already know that we announced the OFFICIAL RFR HAUNT HOTTIES coming with the show to Conventions, Tradeshows, etc.

This week we introduced you to JACKIE, the RFR HAUNT HOTTIE. We will be upping a full gallery of Jackie this week with a variety of poses, shots and even more to come! Here is a few shots so you now can Sit Back, Relax and Rot Away… and get to know Jackie.

Remember, if you are interested in becoming one of the RFR Haunt Hotties be sure to email us a photo, and tell us about yourself. Become part of the Rotting Flesh Radio Haunt Hotties. Email us at: rfr@ rfrpodcast.com.

SEE THE WHOLE SLIDESHOW ON THE RFR HOMEPAGE
www.RottingFleshRadio.com

One question before I invest my self any further, is she single if so have her im me lol. those eyes are mesmerizing.

Darkangel
02-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Those eyes are colored contacts.....

Jim Warfield
02-03-2009, 07:28 PM
"That EYE is messmerising." (At least on my computer screen, I only see one..)
Safe bet though since they usally travel in pairs.

Greg Chrise
02-03-2009, 08:29 PM
She just had a kitchen mishap, not being able to see out of her designer disco contacts and splattered strawberry ice cream topping all over!

Yum Ice Cream.

hauntedhousenut
02-03-2009, 08:56 PM
Those eyes are colored contacts.....

Way to bust my bubble>< lol

geckofx
02-04-2009, 12:11 AM
Did anyone ever stop and think, GEEE, maybe here are multiple formulas for the whole haunted house industry. Why in the hell do we all have to be the same? And what is this notion that something is bad for the industry. This is such a silly idea. First off do we really think anyone actually cares what another attraction does outside their area. "Oh my god Jimmy did you see what those Haunted Hoochie guys did on the youtube" Says a lady sitting in her living room in Southern California, yeah that's it. So maybe some are going for the "Disney" crowd, others are trying to shock people.

You come up with your model based mostly on what you think you can actually pull off. Then you pray you make enough to get to the next year. This is the most bizarre industry, some of you have attractions that rival theme parks, others are still using paper mache an cardboard cut outs. And you know what, none of us are making a killing off this.

Sex sells, it's a reality, and that's what they are going for. Let them roll with it. And yes I would SO take that chick home to mamma.

Some of you say "No gore, we don't need gore to scare." Awesome dude, but don't knock someone else who takes gore to a whole other level.

Show me a formula for this industry and I'll give you an example off the top of my head that contradicts it.

Larry you were quick to point out that was your opinion and kudos for that, but we gotta sit down and talk about this idea of hurting the haunted house industry as a whole, cause man I'm missing it.

They did try and shut House of Shock down and failed.

The most violent heavy metal bands tend to come from the middle of nowhere bible belt towns. Maybe an over the top attraction would work great, who knows, who's trying it? No one? Where are those Hoochie kids located?

Open your minds kids, the world is a big place to scare lots of people.

geckofx
02-04-2009, 12:21 AM
Those pictures are really sad. Are we seriously making a big deal out of a set of six photos some crappy photographer took of a second rate model? Really guys?

Jonathan
02-04-2009, 02:21 AM
All I can say...is wow.

THank you all for the pros, cons and so forth.

And HHNut....the eyes are photoshopped. They are a great color, I just enhanced them.

And boy oh boy, I am afraid to see what you all will say when you meet RFR Haunt Hottie Trish in 2 weeks, if you though Jackie was over the top.

But seriously on a side note. All these girls are part of the industry at haunts, are make up artists, and FX vixens. So don't under estimate them.

But WOW, thank you all for the feedback, and also those of you who "get it" and your support. I guess if I hired the hooters girls to walk around the show floor no one would care......

OH WAIT, they WERE walking around the show floor at MHC and people stopped them to take photos. LOL!

Darkangel
02-04-2009, 05:46 AM
Sorry hauntedhousenit, but it was easy to tell they were not her real color....

Jonathan, just out of curiousity how does your wife feel about the RFR hotties concept? Does she like the idea of using these "models" in this way?

Darkangel

Boo Crew Production
02-04-2009, 06:32 AM
I know feathers are going to be ruffled with this.

I normally try to avoid this Drama BS, but I feel I must respond to this thread. To defend the inocent.

If you guys don't know anything about this girl why do you post your comments. This cute girl has been part of the haunt attraction industry for a few years now. She has as much if not more desire and interest in the haunt industry as many of you do. You are all so quick to condemn and ridicule, that you are blind to this.

Jackie is the future of haunting, she is part of an acting troupe in Columbus Ohio. She loves the industry. She is going to school for her future as well as learning Make-up, acting, volunteering at MHC, Traveling to act at multiple haunts, and yes she happens to be cute. Does this offend you?

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with what JJ is doing. He is attempting to get the ladies more involved in the haunt industry that is dominated by guys. These photos are not tasteless, or degrading. These photos are done respectfully, there is NOTHING exposed that you don't see on a daily basis. LOOK AROUND If you are offended by a cute girl covered in blood, you may just be in the wrong industry.

You negativity is what drives a wedge into the industry, and drives people away.

JJ keep up the great work, We love the show, and what you give to the haunt industry.

NightmareAftershockLLC
02-04-2009, 07:08 AM
I think maybe some of y'all are very judgemental. Maxim magazine does a thing called hometown hottie of the month. It's an everyday girl that shows how pretty she is without looking like a stripper, and demonstrated how cute girls work their asses off just like the rest of us. I think it is a very pretty young lady, and if she works in or around the haunt, even better! For some reason alot of you think it is tacky! What justifies tacky in an industry like ours?! I mean let's get real. We play a game that allows us to act out a fear fest to scare the shit out of patrons!! Does having a pretty girl look cutesy with blood on her seem like it's out of line? Doubtful. Kudos to RFR for doing something different! I like it.

Darkangel
02-04-2009, 07:08 AM
By all means guys lets get the ladies more involved, but lets put some clothes on first. If this girl or anyone else is "the future" of the haunt industry, then why stoop to the level of selling sexuality? Being hot is great that will help you get ahead in this world, but if you really want to be successful put some clothes on. Not that these Martha Stewart, Oprah, and ladies like that are considered hot, they are hugely successful because they relied on their intelligence, wit, and ambitions rather than cater to the bottom feeders of society taking the easy way out. Only people with nothing else to offer resort to selling sexuality.

Darkangel

Darkangel
02-04-2009, 07:13 AM
C'mon man who really would find a sexy girl in a haunt scary? Let's be real it's not scary pretty girls are in the horror movies to look hot then get killed. I have been to many haunts and I have see many great female actresses that were scary, it was the sexy ones that gets rude comments and laughter. If you're a guy and she's really hot, you're not thinking of being scared you're thinking of getting her number!!!!


Darkangel

graystone
02-04-2009, 07:41 AM
What would a post be with out my thoughts. Here they are as I see them.

1. Larry get over it. I have said it 1 million times. What works for you don't mean it will work for someone else. This goes for the other way around too.

2. Post a pic of this chick to the general public and post a pic of some blood and guts or a pic of a room in your haunted house and see what gets the most responce! Unless your a Haunter the general public don't give a DAMN!
**** Watch the video of Larry being interviewd by Fox News they did not give a crap what he had to say they wanted to know what was in the box. Maybe a sexey naked woman! We will never know.

3. DarkAngel your coming off jealous. First you say its not needed and is in bad taset ect. Then comment is made about her beautiful eyes and your quick to point out whats wrong with them. Dark are you saying that unless your gothic, fat, ugly and live haunted house stuff 24/7 a beautiful lady cant be in a haunt? Come on! Post a pic of yourself or maybe join the pageant and let us know how it turned out.|

Now moving on to a few questions on a personal note.
Is she married? Got a boy friend?
Would she like to stay in a suite in St. Louis I have plenty of room?
Would she like come to a dinner I am hosting in St. Louis?
Would she give me her phone number or email?
Would she or someone post more pics?
Would she like to come to TW with me?

Well I am sold they are not selling sex! They are selling beauty! I for one have been sold! Shane and its... Its a nice change to see a beautiful lady instead of 100000000 haunt photos for a change... Shane this time.

GraveyardBeth
02-04-2009, 08:16 AM
Okie, new to the forum. Hello!! haha And here's my 2 cents. First, (and correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Johnson), it's my impression that RFR's target audience is haunters (not the average patron that visits the haunt). Therefore, whether it would be considered acceptable INSIDE the haunt is totally irrelevant. And actually, this is quite tame considering I've seen photos of many a BARE breasted ladies at various haunt conventions. That being said, I must state that the sex 'n' haunt blend isn't exactly my thing, BUT I fully recognize the fact that it is appealing to many others. Come on...the wicked evil seductress? That's a common theme, and one appealing to both men and women alike (MANY a reputible women in the haunt industry like slip on a corset, push up the boobs and play that role). This is not much different, except the photographs taken here are formal shots. Lastly, I applaud Mr. Johnson's decision to look at the entire package when choosing this years RFR hottie representative. Yes, she is beautiful, but she is also an amazing actress and the photos taken clearly illustrate that ability. I hope this trend continues when choosing future RFR hotties.

Slain
02-04-2009, 08:17 AM
Shane,
I agree that this girl is hot! Great pics I wished they'd shoot a slasher video and show some more skin!!
However I don't see this being in our haunt for the simple reason that we'd never get anyone out of there.. This past season we had a girl in a nurses outfit kind of messed up like the hottie pic but more nursey..Most of the guys going buy were a little freaked out but the closer she got to them the hotter she looked especially on those colder nights..
I think that it is more of a distraction that effective for us perverts of the world...Maybe that is their way of scaring people....I do like it though...

graystone
02-04-2009, 08:24 AM
[ Lastly, I applaud Mr. Johnson's decision to look at the entire package when choosing this years RFR hottie representative. Yes, she is beautiful, but she is also an amazing actress and the photos taken clearly illustrate that ability. I hope this trend continues when choosing future RFR hotties.[/QUOTE]

Here Ye, Hear Ye Beth well said!!! Hey are you hot too? Post a picture maybe Dark will lighten up. LMAO! Shane and its want my digets? Shane this time.

Boo Crew Production
02-04-2009, 08:31 AM
Where in all these postings does it say that she IS in a sexy costume when in the haunts she works at? Or when she does make-up?

Here is a pic of Jackie at one of the haunts she has acted at.
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/21/l_2e0de6632866439989935e1501ad36d9.jpg
Nothing sexy about this character.

In a haunted attraction don't we encourage actor's and actress's to create multiple characters? This is one of her many characters. She is also currently creating more characters, yes some sexy to get attention and to promote the haunt she works at. isn't attention what we attempt to get to promote our goods or services, to stand out, to be different.

I do not see this as selling sex, why? I see VERY little skin as opposed to things you see on TV. These photos are in good taste.

Darkangel
02-04-2009, 08:47 AM
She looks great, like a real haunt actress and she looks scary. Why couldn't this pic be used?



Darkangel

Jonathan
02-04-2009, 09:51 AM
I will say. YES, my wife knows about the models and is fine with it.

One, she understand business. Two, she is secure knowing I am hers. Three, it is no different than my day job doing photo shoots for Advertising and Design.

Slain
02-04-2009, 10:08 AM
Elvira was at our place (Atrox Factory) opening weekend..
She looks 40 but she's really 56. She is a hottie for sure. She exploits her breast, legs, and butt but in a good way.. Very classy lady. The girl in the photo this thread is hot but not Elvira hot. She just happens to work at a haunted house and has a nice look to her..I think being in a haunt dressed like this does'nt scare me but really gets my juices flowing if you know what I mean...


Elvira was very involved in the haunt industry, in fact 6-flags used her every Halloween when they put on their Haunt. She was featured in several attractions through out the years. I suppose I am telling my age here but many women dressed as Elvira during the Halloween season. However, most were not as well endowed.

xxxdirk
02-04-2009, 10:14 AM
I REALLY can not figure out what has you guys undies in a bundle. I mean SERIOUSLY. Go back and look at the pic. Yes, there is SOME skin showing, her arms and some of her chest area. There is a hint of cleavage, but its not like her boobs are hanging out or her nips are showing. You can barely make out the shape of the breast. I have seen much more skin walking around downtown in the Summer. I have also seen MUCH more skin showen at most of the haunts I have visited over the past 5 years. As Jolly Pumkin said, this thread is so messed up it's not even funny. You go through a haunt and there are movie quality props of severed heads, or brains or mutilated body parts, or recreate the scene from the EXORCIST and no one blinks or says anything. You put up a post with a pretty girl showing some skin and people freak out. What do you guys want, to have every inch of skin covered? Maybe those of you that are so offended can create a haunt with every scene pitch black as not to offend, or maybe have the girls all wear the full body black things that they make some women wear in some places in the middle east!!

Jim Warfield
02-04-2009, 10:15 AM
How much time do you spend in sexual fantasyland? (and what have you got to show for it?)

People would be amazed at all the long hours of work I have commited to this property over these last 21 years but going back, looking at my entire life, I could have built quite a few haunted houses for all the time lost thinking and needlessly pursuing those other fanciful yearnings.
Shake it off, get back to werq.

SomeThingInTheIce
02-04-2009, 01:06 PM
Man, 6 pages of this! YOU GO GIRL!

Barry
02-04-2009, 04:35 PM
Man, 6 pages of this! YOU GO GIRL!

LOL!! I was thinking the same thing and the only reason I read all of them is because Jackie is a very good friend of mine.

As has already been pointed out, you all are talking about different things. Promoting RFR vs promoting a haunt. I don't have a problem doing it in either if that is what works. Personally I think this thread is a perfect example that it does. Look at all of the pub that JJ has gotten! LOL

Tater
02-04-2009, 08:05 PM
All im saying is if you dont know the girl then stop throwing insults around like you do...in other words shut the hell up if you dont know her

OdetteDespairr
02-04-2009, 09:09 PM
First of all im going to start out by saying I Love My Friends LOL thank you and you know whom you are

Secondly im going to say that some of you know me but not by Jackie, I usually go by OdetteDespairr or Justcallmelafeeverte just to clarify who i am lol

Third im going to say to Something In The Ice that i didnt even know this was all going on till Tater called me and told me LOL

Ok so wow where to start, thank you to JJ for everything im so happy to be in this position and hope to use it to its full advantage, and hopefully bring more women into a more prominent position in the industry, being the RFR hottie to me meens that even tho i can be pretty i am still a very very good actress, it meens that i can open up oppertunities for women in a highly male dominated industry, im hoping girls who take a backseat to men each season will see me and go "Hey, you know what, if she can do that so can I".

Onto what you think of my photos...if you like them...then thank you im glad you enjoyed them, they were alot of fun to do (oh and by the way the whole shoot was planned and designed by me, from theme to costumes to makeup to lighting and set, so i do do more than just stand in front of the camera and try to look pretty thanks) and im glad that they caught your attention and brought some more notice to RFR because helooo...obviously that was the point...to gain more attention for RFR

if you did not like them..then that is your opinion and whatever you feel think and believe i respect that, because i am not in this industry to pick fights, nor do i believe the belittlement of others creative outlets and ideas is tastefull, i am in this industry, to learn, grow, and enjoy it...creative criticism is welcome...but slander and name calling and childish behavior is not

And now onto me...the easiest way to explain me and my place in the industry is to check out the introduce yourself sticky thing because theres a few paragraphs explaing my experience and how i fit into this whole fun haunt industry puzzle

the only things i'll say relating to that are 1. During haunt season if you think im sexy then you have a few bolts loose, i try to steer as far away from sexy as possible and am covered almost completely 2. I am a good actress...come to my haunt and watch me work..better yet ask someone who knows me...or visit one of the haunts that i am scheduled at through out the season...because obivously im good enough to travel

ok now to adress a few fun litte things that were said

Geko..moms like me...for some reason lol

Graystone...funny..no..yes but he only comes out at night...not going...apparantly my clevage is offensive so are you sure?...mebe...mebe next year

LOL

Odette Despairr
AKA Jackie Rotting Flesh Radio's Newest Haunt Hottie

AnandaHexen
02-05-2009, 12:24 PM
Whether Jonathon has this is different than whether haunts have it. It doesn't set an image that I necessarily want furthered in this industry, but it doesn't offend me, nor do I see it offending too many other people.



This is a topic upon which, frankly, I think much of the industry needs to think on.

Sex sells? Sure
Is it necessary to a haunt? NO NO NO
Are you wrong to have it in your haunt? No
Does it show immediately if you are doing it blatantly and poorly, merely riding on the mantra sex sells? YES YES YES

If your haunt can't survive without WOMEN dressed in whatever you think is sexy at the moment, then you need to exit this industry.

If your haunt does have WOMEN in sexy "scary" clothes, then please be sure that they can actually carry off what they're wearing. There is nothing wrong with a sexy vampire or occasionally a victim, but it is pathetic when it is more than obvious, even to the customers, that the person who is dressed like that is merely taking an opportunity to wear something that they would never wear in a million years and can't act in it to save their lives. If you have a dominatrix-style character then she'd better be the damn scariest thing around because a WOMAN thrashing a whip and yelling innuendos or random lines is not scary, not even to the customer, and really she probably isn't sexy to the customer either whether her cleavage is busting out or not!!!!


It is totally up to Jonathon to decide whether he wants to be the Hugh Hefner of the haunt industry. If the women, who don't normally allow themselves to be seen in this type of genre want to, then that is their choice and their choice alone. I choose not to and frankly, if I did do it, I'd do my own make-up and costuming so that it looked like the same kind of quality as my own acting and costuming. However, the spectrum of appropriate and inappropriate is endless on both ends in this industry and won't be defined any time soon.

This isn't about whether Jackie is sexy or not in this picture. She dresses well when she acts and her pics show that she acts and costumes herself appropriately for whichever character she is portraying. Her costumes and make-up look good and are something that I think haunts should be teaching their girls and women.

My concern is the example this is setting for those who DON'T look to see how the actresses dress in October. My concern is for the GIRLS who want to dress like that in October, for the GIRLS who want to use the haunt industry as an opportunity to get away with stuff they'd never be able to any other time or anywhere else. That should NOT be what this industry is about.

This is about quality and whether you decide not to pander to the lowest common denominator.

Sex sells, but who decides what is sexy? Even if she is sexy, is she really contributing something SCARY or positive to your show? Did your quality just drop exponentially when you let that little goth girl in the corset and the boots scream in that room for an hour just because she's showing some skin and a few patrons asked for her number? Would you want your daughter/mother/sister doing that act? If she can do it and scare people or at least act well, then let her, but honestly, out of all the women I've seen act since 1993, maybe 3 could carry it off. 3!!!! How many are out there trying it? TOO MANY!!!

You can have the sultry/sexy/scary/whatever in your haunt, but less is more, and at least try to do it well!!

drfrightner
02-07-2009, 02:27 AM
The let the product sell itself period end of story. If what you offer isn't good enough sure add some half naked woman to spice it up, and after that don't work go back to square one of making the best product. Again end of story.

If what you sell is porn keep taking it to the next level, have the best porn, blow (whoops I hope that isn't taken out of context LOL) everyone who would compete with you out of the water.

If you sell Playboy find the sexiest woman on the planet and find the best photographers to take those photos. Yes sex does sell and when people want to buy sex they buy it ... you don't walk into a haunt site expecting to find it.

If I want to watch porn I wouldn't expect to find it on a Halloween site that is for sure. I'm not saying this is porn but its a step in that direction for sure.

Look let me say that I don't care what anyone does with their website, but having stuff like this doesn't sell anything, anyone who thinks that is a fool. Try doing something like this and sticking it on your website and use your slogan "SEX SELLS" and lets see how long you last.

Sex does sell in strip clubs, on porn sites, and so on... it doesn't sell your haunted house I can tell you that. The minute you add some half naked woman, and throw that up on your site your business is going down the tubes. I'll bet anyone on that!

Look here is the bottom line...

Most people are total hypocrates they preach against porn but they watch it they buy it, people preach against global warming but run right out and buy hummers, they prosecute the charged without all the facts but when they get in trouble its an unjust. Preists preach GOD while they rape little boys. Look people frown on this stuff, and will talk down on it even if they might secretly like it. You never want the public to turn on you and you do not want to give them any reason to either.

Look I'm just saying and I stick by what I'm saying... there is no place for it and it will turn more people of than help the site. Haunted Houses and or Halloween and stuff like this don't mix and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

We have fought for years to leave behind sterotypes and well this ... okay whatever.

I like Johnathon and think he does a great job but if this is what he thinks will sell his site then in my opinion he doesn't believe in what he's already doing. The same goes for anyone... all those gimick haunts out there like get your money back, or whatever... lets face it your haunt isn't good, otherwise you wouldn't do these gimmicks.

Gimmicks work for so long then people understand yep it was a gimmick, never coming back, then where are you at?

Build the best product, something you believe in, put you heart and soul into it and leave the gimmicks at the door!

I must be honest I don't visit RFR and do not listen to the podcast, and to be honest I don't listen to any podcast. However I took a visit over to the site and looked around, and the site has an edge to it so maybe this goes in line with the goals of the site. I must also admit Jonathan is one hell of a graphic artist...kudos! Anyway I visited several horror movie websites and none of those major sites have anything like this either. I wonder why? Maybe because their focus is reporting HORROR MOVIE NEWS... I don't know. Doesn't really matter because RFR should do what they feel is best for their business, I guess since I didn't visit the website I assumed the focus was haunted news, and didn't see the connection between haunted news and this and still don't. But again just so everyone is CLEAR I could care less what people do with their own personal website, if it works for them that is all that matters.

I personally just don't see the connection between this and haunted houses. Just my opinion!

At my haunted house I don't use sex to sell, I use scary monsters because I thought that is what we sell? Maybe I'm wrong! LOL

Larry

drfrightner
02-07-2009, 03:16 AM
The Darkness presents 'Darkness Hottie' of the week (LOL). I'm now a believer and jumping right onto the bandwagon!

Our hottie will not only charm you with good looks but after he'll put an axe through your head and use it in the haunt as a prop!!!!

LOL

Larry

graystone
02-07-2009, 07:20 AM
Yall remember the chick that runs around at TransWorld in camofouge with the thong up in her butt? Damnnnnnnnnnn trust me I bet the vendor she works for always has good sales! Anyway bring on more Jackie sorry I missed your call babe. Call me back you got my digets LOL! Shane and its I want to see more chicks in Birthday suits at TW. Shane this time.

Darkangel
02-07-2009, 09:05 AM
You see what I mean? That's the EXACT type of attention you ask for and recieve when you dress and act that way. But hey, if that's the attention you want, shoot for the stars! ;)

Darkangel

xxxdirk
02-07-2009, 10:05 AM
Ya, I am a guy, and appreciate the female form, but the camo girl at TW is just nasty! I can totally understand Darkangel having issues with HER or someone like her in a haunt.

stafford
02-07-2009, 10:07 AM
First off, as I’ve said before, but maybe more bluntly, who cares.

You can’t make this about right/wrong, because there is none. People can argue both sides of this till they’re blue in the face, and it’s probably not going to change anyone’s mind. But I really think this is a subject where no one has the knowledge to say, this is the way it is, or give the bottom line on the subject.

You may not use “sex sells” to market your haunt, and you may be right in doing so, because you say you’re selling a haunted house, not sex. But let’s stop and look at how some other products that our demographic spend their disposable income on, are marketed to them.

Video games – I’m not a gamer, but I don’t live under a rock either. Can you say Lara Croft, okay enough said.

Movies – I’ve already touched on this, very seldom do you see ugly girls wearing sweaters as the “protagonist” or victims for that matter.

Music – Ok, not only the artists, but the content as well.

Clothes – Abercrombie and Fitch, come on, you’ve been shopping at the mall and seen their big black and white pictures in their stores, more ugly people, dressed head to toe right?

Food – Anyone remember the Carl’s Jr. Paris Hilton ad, the one that crashed their server so many people watched it, fairly unsuccessful eh?

None of these companies are tagging their ads with “sex sells” as has been suggested someone may try, but they are using it to their advantage. Whether you agree or not, sex does sell, not just on porn sites, and in strip clubs.

“Let the product sell itself period.” I agree, for any product or service to be successful it should strive to be the best that it can in quality, but also vigorously promoted! This could sometimes include advertisements that includes sexual or suggestive content. It’s probably not a good idea to do it all the time in every ad, and it doesn’t have to be done overtly, but to say that it doesn’t have its place in marketing, whatever the product may be, is just ignoring the reality of how things are done.

The same can be said for using “gimmicks”, if you have a good product, a good publicity “stunt” or advertising “gimmick” can sometimes work. I agree that when it’s a bad product, people that get somewhere because of a “gimmick” and then have a bad time, yeah it will back fire, but if they have a good experience, well then I guess it worked right?

Jonathan put a picture of an attractive girl on his website, promoted it, and now people are talking about his site/show more than ever (as far as I’m aware), so whether it’s “sex sells” that’s working for him, or a gimmick, or not (it could be just the controversy), all publicity is good publicity.

Larry, I do appreciate you honoring our art form, and fighting against stereotypes, and your decision not to market your event that way. If you respect Jonathan’s decision to do what he wants to market his product, you can’t say you really don’t care and then blast what he’s done.

I think the reason that I felt compelled to “chime in” again is that I don’t think what he’s done is made a step in the direction of “porn”, nor do I think that the multi-bazillion dollar companies mentioned above are moving their products towards porn.

I do understand that we all have our "soap boxes", I've gotten up on mine a few times, so if some people are offended by what Jonathan has done, I do respect your right to get on yours.

Chris

graystone
02-07-2009, 01:06 PM
Well said. Again I agree you either like it or don't. Just because some don't why blast thoes who do? Dark babe loosin up your granny panties and chill. Its clear you don't like it. Its cool its your opinion just stop trying to shut the door on our party here with the guys and gals that does. Shane and its. If your hot show it and if your not just stay quiet. Shane this time.

Darkangel
02-07-2009, 01:26 PM
Chris,

You've made you point, several times now we get it you basically agree with everyone else, mostly guys I'm sure.

Shane I could post a pic of how I look but I would ask that you do the same, and I don't think the rest of the board did anything to deserve THAT!!!:D:D:D

Again, thanks for proving me right earlier Shane!

Darkangel

graystone
02-07-2009, 01:47 PM
This is about post of hot chicks. Not ugly dudes LMAO! Now go get dressed up and show us what ya got! Shane

Jim Warfield
02-07-2009, 04:36 PM
So are you saying, Shane that you don't look so hot in Drag?
Have you tried it with low lighting?
Surrounding your face with baby kittys?
We're having FUN Now!

Kevin Dells
02-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Nice thread and Ron i come in your defense!!

Yep i have to agree with the majority of the boys here sorry! I have been preaching to ron for years he needed to cute up his show because (Im sorry) it does draw people in the door. One or two cute girls on staff certainly dosen't hurt and both Males and Females do like it!!

I will probably get my backside kicked here for saying our haunt last year had multiple spots that we asked the girls to dress a little scantily to draw the crowds eyes on purpose, it set up the overhead scare that she then triggered.
(AKA the Go go Cage in our redneck hayride)And yes Ginny was dressed like a go go dancer, she was 16 years old and yes her father who by the way is one of the most overprotective southern SOB's iv'e ever meet approved. He saw how well her scare got the wagonfulls of people and it was a huge part of our redneck section! Crowd Favorite and yes we pooled them coming out, they never saw it coming all attention was on her and she got them everytime!

I say i will probably get my backside kicked because many haunters wouldn't think that a theme or idea like this should be in a haunt,BUT we had it and it worked like a charm and thats what building a haunt is all about scaring your customers with everything youv'e got. No it's not old school which many here feel is the only route to use in their haunts, but for many of us were always looking for new and innovative idea's that the crowd has never seen. If you use females or even males that are hotties to draw crowds then more power to you i say!

The question i do have for Jonathon is are these girls actual Haunt Girls, what haunts do they represent? If your going to have a haunt hotties monthly girls they should be girls that actually work for a haunt. I have to agree that while your girl for february is very beautiful (incredible blue eyes!) she does look very much like a hooters girl with blood splattered on her and what actual haunt is she representing?

A good example of a Haunt Hotty in my mind(and im sure Ron will agree with me on this) would be Brooke Englehart from the Svenpuss Haunt Acting Troupe and yes she has worked at many haunts and now tours. Just my 2 cents now let the beatings begin!

swampboy
02-07-2009, 07:00 PM
Just a couple points:

1) Sex and scares have been intertwined for years. Go back to ancient myths, 20th century vampire tales, the slasher films in the 80's, Anne Rice, etc...Sex and scares are in our culture, other countries' cultures, movies, books, etc.

2) RELAX!

3) I'm all for it as long as RFR commits to not having Tater as Granny in a thong.

Kevin Dells
02-07-2009, 07:11 PM
Granny in the thong i totally back you on Swampboy!

That goes into the "Oh Hell No!" Book

stafford
02-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Darkangel,

Seriously? You're going to tell me to lay off? That everyone gets it? While at the same time you seem to be posting about this every couple posts?

My first post was essentially who cares, to each their own, and that we shouldn't point fingers, when there are several pointing back at us for other things we take liberties with.

My second post gave some examples of how sexy images have been used to promote plenty of products geared towards our target market. I wasn't saying anyone had to use it, or should, just don't burry your head in the sand and pretend it's not applicable to our industry at all. Also, to once again say to each their own, and there probably is no right or wrong.

The reason I restate this for you, is first to show you I've posted twice, not several times, and to get you to possibly reply with something constructive, as I feel I have, rather than your rants which just make you look angry, and bitter for some reason.

You've brought up porn, stripclubs, and suggested Disney should change their princess outfits to lingerie, and dress Minnie as a hooker. You've told everyone people go to haunts to see vomit, hmmmm. You want women to be judged by their brains, and acting skills, yet you categorize me with "everyone else, mostly guys", talk about sterotyping. Don't you think women could possibly ever form a similar opinion to a man on some topic?

If you reread my posts I think you'll find my commentary was on us, not agreeing or disagreeing with what Jonathan has done with his haunt hotties, but encouraging people to think about some things, and not be so quick to judge.

It's much easier for you to get someone to see things your way, if you're first willing to see it theirs.

Chris

Darkangel
02-08-2009, 05:37 AM
I apologize, I may have jumped the gun with you Chris...Your viewpoint seemed to coincide with veryone elses, I figured that side of the argument was well represented already, by many...

I believe I have stated my point and I'm concluding my participation in this thread. I underestimated the level of respect for women and their skills being highlighted in this industry both by men and by their own choosing if they "stoop" to certain levels. And if girls agree to dress "scantily clad" after being asked by their male managers, they deserve the lack of respect they will ultimately receive.


Darkangel

graystone
02-08-2009, 07:00 AM
Dang lighten up. Whats your deal its not like these lady's are posing nude I don't get it. Heck you cant watch a movie in this day and time without nudity. When you go to a movie and see a woman naked do you walk out and assume she is trailer trash or a whore? These ladies are not even naked. Its all in fun.

I bet if you could start a pole with the general public I bet you they would be more offended by the blood on her than the her looks! Look you don't have to be dog ugly to be apart of the haunt industry. This industry is just like the world it takes all kinds and everyone is different and welcome and adds something to it. God don't judge why should you. Jackie its clear to see you and Jon are showing that haunts don't have to be all about blood, guts, dead bodies and horror. Remember its a Haunted House Not A Horror House.

I love the the fact that our industry can have beautiful women in it. Again it don't have to be all things ugly.

DarkAngel your not the chick at TransWorld that had the faces on her boobs was you? Shane and its Jackie You Go Girl! Shane this time.

Kevin Dells
02-09-2009, 04:19 AM
I underestimated the level of respect for women and their skills being highlighted in this industry both by men and by their own choosing if they "stoop" to certain levels. And if girls agree to dress "scantily clad" after being asked by their male managers, they deserve the lack of respect they will ultimately receive.


Darkangel


Thats funny Ginny got a ton of respect from me! That girl reset that overhead scare a couple hundred times a night for a month straight, i seriously thought when i built that scare that it would be a spot that i would have to replace that actress a few times in a season because of it's difficulty to lift it.

She never once bitched about doing it and she was always eager to do her job.

If i remember right she also took second best actor out of 100+ actors this past season and that was voted on by customer feedback (both men and women) and all the other people on staff,Lack of respect? No that girl gained a lot of respect from everybody !!

By the way she supplied her own costume for the part so her distastefulness was up to her and her family. I didn't just walk up with half a dress and say hey put this scrap of fabric on. But hey thanks for making me feel like some perv!