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oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-11-2009, 03:30 PM
I live in CA and if the Transworlds are always in St. Louis then most of ya all will never get to see my haunt when I finnally get it open. So just curious what other people might think of some other locations. Also if you pick St. Louis again give a good reason, not its just awesome. Thats not productive.

mindtumor
02-11-2009, 03:32 PM
How about we just get through this one first. I do not like the idea of moving it around each year.

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-11-2009, 03:36 PM
We don't have to move it closer to me and keep it there and I'll be happy. HAHAHAHAHA. Vincent This Time!

tchaunt
02-11-2009, 03:56 PM
Your above post is a wee bit confusing, but I think I get it. XD

In my opinion, moving it around would butcher the show. I've never been involved with TW, but I've been to lots of conventions.

People get used to one spot. When a convention moves each year, only the truly dedicated customers will follow it around. You'd mainly just have locals and very serious people showing up.

Plus, some vendors can go to places because the location is close. It costs a lot of money to drag large items around the country. Some of the vendors that people get used to every year won't be able to go, to, say, New York, NY, if they live in Texas. The cost would be ridiculous. The prices of there props would have to be insanely high just to pay for the shipping fees, the hotel, any registration fees, etc.
Just like I said above, you'll only get really serious people and locals to show up.

IMO, keeping the convention in one spot is a much better idea than jumping around the country each year.

imax
02-11-2009, 04:13 PM
And where is CHICAGO on that list? Huh?

-- I

bobgoblin
02-11-2009, 04:15 PM
yeah i agree where is Chicago on the list?

drfrightner
02-11-2009, 04:43 PM
I know you are thinking yeah yeah Larry is going to say St. Louis...whatever.

However let me state what I really think and I'm putting myself livng in Alaska okay.

I say Alaska. LOL

No here is what I really think, LA, New York, no way not for this industry.

Vegas no way to far. I love Orlando and find that to be my favorite place in the WORLD to attend a tradeshow but...

There are no haunts in Orlando or basically Florida in general. So you get no tours there and you have more distrations than any place on Earth.

Personally I think the show should stay in the Midwest right dag in the middle of the east and west coasts. This is fair for everyone wouldn't you agree. So what is really in the middle...

St. Louis

Kansas City

Indianapolis

Memphis or Nashville

Chicago or maybe Dallas but that is really a long shot.


If you look at a map you will see St. Louis and or Kansas City are the two best options for distance to everyone. Kansas City is about 4 more hours west and St. Louis is 4 more hours east.

Considering there are 10 to 1 haunters on the east side St. Louis is better. Chicago was just ranked the THIRD worst city in America to live in and the main reason was WEATHER! They rate Chicago weather second worst to only BUFFALO!

Anyway if you are not going to do this show in the midwest then it should go straight to Orlando because of the weather, cheap hotels, and places to do and see.

If you keep it in the midwest St. Louis is the best option not because I live here its just the most fair with the cheapest convention hall. Kansas City is a very nice city as well in a lot of ways better than St. Louis or about the same. I would not vote for Chicago because the weather mostly, and secondly because everything is way more expensive.

I think Chicago rated the 2nd or 3rd most expensive city in America to have a tradeshow. I think Atlanta was the most, Vegas might have been number 2 not sure.

Larry

Dr. Giggles
02-11-2009, 04:46 PM
San Diego? Sunny, not TOO bad price wise, and loads of cheap lodging.

graystone
02-11-2009, 05:18 PM
Hey Nashville Has Alot to offer!!!!!!! Shane and its Boot Scootin Boogy! Shane this time!

xtremecreator
02-11-2009, 05:22 PM
hmmmmmmmm. Missing Ohio whre most haunters are from. Hello?

drfrightner
02-11-2009, 06:27 PM
I've been to San Diego, and it is one of the best cities I've ever seen. It is a stuning place! To bad its all the way in the bottom corner to the far west of the country!

I know I'd love to live there that much I know for sure!

Larry

N2SPOOKINU
02-11-2009, 06:35 PM
Out of the options you have on the poll I like St Louis the best. Nashville did sound enviting Shane. Thats one I havent seen come up yet.
Greg

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-11-2009, 07:52 PM
San Diego is great but it would be unfair to all the people to have to come to the corner of the world. As it would be for New York I guess. Oh and sorry I forgot about Chicago. Larry you live in Alaska? Vincent This Time!

Infoamtek
02-11-2009, 09:08 PM
San Diego may be the most southwestern city in the continental US but it has a LOT to offer. A beautiful convention center center built next to the bay. A great haunted house "The Haunted Hotel" built in the basement of one of the Gaslamp Quarter's old buildings. Sixteen blocks of restaurants and nightclubs including Croce's, built and operated by Jim Croce's widow. The Whaley House, a real haunted house. The San Diego Zoo, SeaWorld, Legoland, and only about 90 miles up the road, Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm. And, of course, some of the best weather in the country.

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-11-2009, 09:23 PM
Now see there are so many good arguements towards bringing it to home in CA. We've some of the best cities in the country. I mean no offense to St. Louis or Chicago but CA is the entertainment capital of the world. Infoam hit the nail on the head and if not CA atleast bring it close to Sin City. Vincent This Time!

drfrightner
02-11-2009, 09:51 PM
I love San Diego awsome city! I do think its a bit too far away though. There is no doubt that San Diego is a better looking city than most cities in America. I heard its one of the most expensive to live in though.

Larry

Haunted Illinois
02-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Sorry, but California is just waaaayyyyy too far in the bottom south-west corner of the US for that to work.

The majority of the Haunted Attractions in the country, as well as many of the major haunt vendors, are located in the Midwest and along the east coast. Asking them to travel to a far corner of the country just isn’t cost effective.

As for California being the entertainment capital of the world… who cares? As Larry has stated many times, this trade show is all about selling haunt goods. It is, after all, a trade show. All of the side activities would do nothing but distract people from buying on the show floor... maybe even more-so than Transworld Vegas… which was a disaster. Just my two cents.

Infoamtek
02-11-2009, 10:51 PM
Adam, Why so........serious?

Just a joke.

We already have the SD Comic-Con here and it makes TransWorld look tiny.

Haunted Illinois
02-11-2009, 10:59 PM
Just kidding. We can have it in Alaska if everyone wants. LOL. Just excited to be back on the boards and wanted to stir up trouble immediately!!!!! :p

Infoamtek
02-11-2009, 11:03 PM
You know Adam, if side trips are such a distraction, maybe we should have that Darkness tour cancelled so the attendees aren't distracted from the trade show.

Haunted Illinois
02-11-2009, 11:10 PM
Now that's an idea! Larry, what do you think?

MidnightEvil
02-11-2009, 11:25 PM
Come on guys, your missing the perfect place..
++++ Hawaii ++++
A week in Hawaii and wright it off
on your tax's as a business trip.
Works for me .... HaHaHa

Jim Warfield
02-12-2009, 12:42 AM
3 hrs from O'Hare and the accommodations are dirt cheap! Both hotels are abandoned, just for the price of a crowbar everybody gets a room!
The one Motel has a nick-name, "Deadman's Motel" after a guy paid his month's rent in advance, went to his room, died , and a month later they found him! Good thing the AC had kept running that summer.
The other Motel is 4 stories , built to be a men's dorm for Shimer college (moved away) and after the men moved in became known as "The Animal Farm"and it is strangely decorated by the late Don quinn who maybe invented the theme room in Dodgeville Wis. at his "Don Q Inn".
Last I knew the rooms in his local creation used big, deep, copper cheese vats for bathtubs so pharting in the tub would be expected, "Who cut the cheese?"
And of course the international shrine to Mr. Tuxedo known as The Ravens Grin Inn!

mindtumor
02-12-2009, 07:18 AM
Adam, Why so........serious?

Just a joke.

We already have the SD Comic-Con here and it makes TransWorld look tiny.

Now that is a convention I want to go to. From what I hear its the BEST comic con. Is New York Comic Con the same? Kind of like the Wizard Worlds but better?

Howie Slobber Erlich
02-12-2009, 08:24 AM
I'll put my vote in for Michigan. The metro Detroit area has dozens of convention centers that would be great for TW. Plus, with the way the economy has been in MI, I am sure there would be great deals on the convention center as well as lodging. There is also a ton of reasonable entertainment including 3 great casinos. While here take in a Red Wing Game. Windsor is only a few minutes away as well. And the last I checked, Michigan is still the haunted house capital of the world. Plus we border Ohio which also has a huge amount of haunts. Hauntcon went over very well when it was hosted here a couple years ago. There are several haunts that I am sure would be glad to get involved in the haunt tours including Realm of Darkness which is a very detailed haunt, Erebus which has the Guinness record for largest walk through haunted attraction and of course Deadly Intentions which has been rated as one of the scariest haunted houses around since 2003.

Say yes to Michigan.

Howie "Slobber" Erlich
Owner
Deadly Intentions Haunted House
www.deadlyintentionshaunt.com

Nightgore
02-12-2009, 08:42 AM
I think, leave it in St. Louis... I don't want to keep attending a traveling circus! -Tyler

oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR
02-12-2009, 08:52 AM
So far the best arguement I've heard towards keeping it in St. Louis was made by tc. Thats a good reason and a good example why not to move it. Moving it to CA wouldn't be cost effective just a vacation for all of you eastern people. Maybe some of you will be able to see a beach some day! But I digress if it ever comes to CA I'll be friggin happy but if it doesn't oh well just make sure it stays out of Alaska! Vincent This Time!

Raycliff Manor
02-12-2009, 09:42 AM
Gary, I think you're on to something! Hawaii! Now that would be just freakin awesome! Ghouls take over the island! LOL We just need to locate some sweat-proof and water-resistant makeup, wait Bloody Mary already has it! We're set! Now I need to come up with a costume that won't clash with a coconut drink! :grin:

Kel

damon carson
02-12-2009, 09:55 AM
Personally I hope it stays in St. Louis but eventually It will probably go back to Chicago. But if it does its gonna have to been in mid or late March so the weather is a bit better if possible. But time will tell. Personally I think it will probably be better in Chicago if they dont bring the whole show to St. Louis. Just my two cents.
Damon

abracadaver
02-12-2009, 09:58 AM
I'm for Hawaii too! Can you imagine the shipping for ScareFactory.

Larry C.
www.abracadaver.com

Darkangel
02-12-2009, 11:15 AM
Come on Howie!!!:D Detroit has got to be the worst city in America. Not trying to offend, but Detroit's repuatation is unbearably bad. Bad politics like mayors, pot holes everywhere, no jobs, high crime, poverty, etc...I know every city deals with these problems but Detroit always ranks near the top in all those things...I'm sure there are many bright spots but I doubt the convention circuit looks deeply into Detroit, I could be wrong?


Darkangel

Motograter
02-12-2009, 11:22 AM
If Transworld moved out to California or Vegas again. I probably would never go. It's way to far. Keep it in St. Louis or Chicago. Also Howie is right about Michigan. If it where ever to come here one year. There are a couple haunts that I'm sure would open up for everyone. I think Michigan has close to 50 haunts now in the metro Detroit area? Everyone hears Detroit and thinks of bad things and it's all ghetto. Yes some parts are ghetto but there are a lot of really nice parts to visit. Including cool places in the outer suburbs as well. But I don't care where it is, as long as it stays in the mid center of the states.

Howie Slobber Erlich
02-12-2009, 12:35 PM
Darkangel,

Detroit always gets a bad wrap in the media. Have you ever visited Detroit? True that the inner city has a high poverty level and crime rate to go along with it. But I am not suggesting you visit the inner city neighborhoods. The downtown area has been built up over the last few years. Lets see, we have hosted the MLB All Star game and the Superbowl. We host the largest international Auto Show in the world. We host several huge tattoo conventions as well as comic conventions. We have 4 pro sports teams which have won several championships over the last dozen years. We have the largest fireworks celebration and festival in the country.

By the way, politicians everywhere are crooked. We ousted the former Mayor and he went to jail. We have a new temporary mayor and will soon be electing a new mayor. Probably, Dave Bing who was an all star Detroit Piston in the day and a pillar of the community.

By the way, according to the 2007 FBI crime rate statistics, Detroit is not even close to worst crime rate anymore. St louis has less than half the population of Detroit. Here are some numbers for you. Violent crimes Detroit 2,289 - St Louis 2,198, Murder or Manslaughter Detroit 46 - St Louis 40, Rape Detroit 40 - St Louis 73, Robbery Detroit 764 - St Louis 793, Aggravated Assault Detroit 1,440 - St Louis 1,292, Property Crime Detroit 6,772 - St Louis 9,736, Burglary Detroit 2,064 - St Louis 2,093, Larceny Theft Detroit 2,430 - St Louis 5,839, Motor Vehicle Theft Detroit 2,278 - St Louis 1,804 & Arson Detroit 88 - St Louis 118. These are the most recent official numbers released. Hmm it seems that St Louis ranks worst in most categories .

It does not have to be in the city of Detroit either. There are many convention centers in the suburbs.

By the way, my haunted house is in Warren Michigan. 1 block North of Detroit. In seven years of operation, we have never had any major security problem.

I am so sick of people bashing Detroit because of the way the media portrays it. The fact is that the Detroit area is a great place to be. Tons of stuff to do. Great hard working people. I would not want to live anywhere else!

Howie

Infoamtek
02-12-2009, 01:34 PM
So all you Midwesterners expect us from the West, East and South to use up all of our hard earned cash and travel to your miserable, freezing, crime ridden pestholes because you're too cheap and lazy to do any travelling.

What a bunch of lousy ingrates, ya cheap ass bastidds.

Just kidding. lol

stafford
02-12-2009, 02:11 PM
I don't really care where it is, I'll go. For the vendors sake, the midwest makes the most sense, so St. Louis is fine by me (hope my opinion doesn't change after the show).

However, my bet is that the show will be back with the Halloween Costume and Party show, wherever that may be, but my guess is either Chicago or Vegas. So seeing as that's what I believe the choice will be between, I'm picking Vegas. Quite simply because I've had enough Chicago weather, but being a realist, it'll probably be back in Chicago because of logistics (easier for vendors to get to). Can we start a petition to get them to consider the city of Chicago vs. Rosemont?

Chris

mindtumor
02-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Michigan as a whole is beautiful. I have been to other states and Michigan is a much nicer looking state then most. Our economy is a different story but we know why that is bad here.

Detroit is a HUGE city. There is some bad spots but most of the metro area is really nice. Look up Forbes 2009 worst cities and see which ones are ranked ahead of Detroit. Chicago and Memphis notably are ranked worst. Look it up.

drfrightner
02-13-2009, 02:32 AM
You hear people far west saying go west, far east saying go east... that is why St. Louis works its in the MIDDLE... Gateway to the West.

You can't get anymore fair.

Look I'm not St. Louis freak I just live here. Denver is 10 times better than St. Louis, so is Orlando, Detroit... ahhhh no St. Louis all the way! LOL

I've been to a lot of cities and by no means is St. Louis as cool as Denver, or Orlando, or San Diego, or whatever. St. Louis is better than say Philly, or New York, or whatever because St. Louis is small enough that you can't really get lost or overwhelmed.

Philly, New York and all those massive cities are just that massive!

St. Louis for haunts who want things cheap, simple and to the point is perfect. If I move and move to Alaska I would still say put it in the middle...

Do I want to stay living here? Ask Patti that question because the answer is NO! I want to move to some small town somewhere or LA one or the other.

Whatever is in the middle works best. In my view St. Louis beats out Chicago by a mile...

1) Better locaton more central to everyone
2) Cheaper convention center
3) Cheaper hotels, food, etc.
4) WEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St. Louis has rough weather but nothing like Chicago. But again we're aren't talking Chicago we are talking ROSEMONT which is a sponge a money sponge of give me give me... no thanks.

I can honestly say that if the show was to move to Chicago in 2010 I would not attend. I would skip it. I was ready to skip it before they moved it to Vegas.

I wouldn't mind Vegas because its better for weather, and fun. If they move it to Orlando I would go, just not ROSEMONT... I'm serious in saying I WOULD NOT GO! I want the show to be fun to attend on top of doing some business. I just don't look forward to going to Rosemont. I did look forward to visiting Vegas and I would go back there but it doesn't work for the vendors and mass majory of buyers who want to drive.

All you guys will find St Louis very inviting, very friendly, big city that feels small and in the end I do hope you go out there and go bowling, or catch the museums or whatever...you are in a new city explore.

St. Louis has the best Botantical Garden in the nation...

http://www.mobot.org/explore/default.asp If you like flowers that is the place to be!!! The Zoo was rated #1 in the nation by Zagot... blah, blah.

There is also this really cool place called City Museum and Magic House that are also rated #1 by Zagot. Zagot rated Magic House higher than Disney World. Yeah believe it or not!

Larry


Larry

drfrightner
02-13-2009, 02:38 AM
http://www.citymuseum.org/home.asp

http://www.magichouse.org/

http://www.stlzoo.org/

http://www.mobot.org/

http://www.slsc.org/

Plus www.SixFlags.com (http://www.SixFlags.com) will be open

drfrightner
02-13-2009, 02:41 AM
Couple other things to do...

St. Louis Blues have two home games during the show...

March 26th vs Vancover

March 28th vs. Columbus (MHC vs. Darkness) on that one!!! LOL

Larry

DollFacexHorror
02-13-2009, 04:30 AM
I'll put my vote in for Michigan. The metro Detroit area has dozens of convention centers that would be great for TW. Plus, with the way the economy has been in MI, I am sure there would be great deals on the convention center as well as lodging. There is also a ton of reasonable entertainment including 3 great casinos. While here take in a Red Wing Game. Windsor is only a few minutes away as well. And the last I checked, Michigan is still the haunted house capital of the world. Plus we border Ohio which also has a huge amount of haunts. Hauntcon went over very well when it was hosted here a couple years ago. There are several haunts that I am sure would be glad to get involved in the haunt tours including Realm of Darkness which is a very detailed haunt, Erebus which has the Guinness record for largest walk through haunted attraction and of course Deadly Intentions which has been rated as one of the scariest haunted houses around since 2003.

Say yes to Michigan.

Howie "Slobber" Erlich
Owner
Deadly Intentions Haunted House
www.deadlyintentionshaunt.com

I agree! although I suppose my agreement also comes in part that I live merely 20 minutes from the great city of Detroit. However working in the hospitality industry rates are down especially during the transworld time. I'd be more then happy to speak with all sales managers who would be more then willing to get group rates going with business being so DEAD no pun intended :).
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DollFacexHorror
02-13-2009, 04:32 AM
Come on Howie!!!:D Detroit has got to be the worst city in America. Not trying to offend, but Detroit's repuatation is unbearably bad. Bad politics like mayors, pot holes everywhere, no jobs, high crime, poverty, etc...I know every city deals with these problems but Detroit always ranks near the top in all those things...I'm sure there are many bright spots but I doubt the convention circuit looks deeply into Detroit, I could be wrong?


Darkangel


I think you would be suprised if you ever visit Detroit's downtown. Putting politics and potholes aside It's not as rundown as made to believe. People still come out for our car show!
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JamBam
02-13-2009, 06:37 AM
I can't vote if Chicago and Indy are left out. Indianapolis is even MORE centrally located thaan St Louis. I said it last year and I will say it again. INDY, INDY, INDY. Easy to get around. Similar weather to St Louis

As Larry says...
Whatever is in the middle works best. In my view INDY & St. Louis beat out Chicago by a mile...

1) Better location more central to everyone
2) Cheaper convention center
3) Cheaper hotels, food, etc.
4) WEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


INDY stats:
6000 rooms downtown, alone.
Twelveth largest city with a clean downtown. Big enough to host the NCAA Finals, Super Bowl, the INDY 500, Brickyard, Black Expo, and many more, yet small enough to be competitive in price with any venue. 2010 Final Four of NCAA mens basketball ( April 3&5)


Indy is a fresh, and diverse cultural city with an enriching array of arts, attractions, historical sites and special events. Lively theatre, inspiring music, dramatic art and interactive museums are among the city's multitude of attractions, many of which are located within steps of downtown hotels. Prime among these is White River State Park, nestled in the heart of downtown Indianapolis, which features the Indianapolis Zoo, White River Botanical Gardens, the newly expanded Eiteljorg Museum of American Indians and Western Art, the NCAA Hall of Champions and the Indiana State Museum. Just a short distance from downtown at the Indianapolis Children's Museum (the world's largest), the recently expanded Indianapolis Museum of Art and the world famous Indianapolis Motor Speedway and its Hall of Fame Museum. Indianapolis is also home to more memorials than any other city except Washington, D.C.

Grimley
02-13-2009, 08:07 AM
New Orleans would be cool. Warm weather and you can't find a city more fitting for a haunt show. It s kinda creepy already.

Boo Crew Production
02-13-2009, 08:15 AM
OK I will throw my 2 cents in here. I have heard allot of complaining for the last 3 years as to how the Transworld people treat the haunters and their lack of effort to boast the show.

Once again, in my opinion why not walk away from them and make MHC in Columbus Ohio the place to be. I know you all claim it isn't a true trade show, because it has social events and haunt tours, although the last I looked TW has social events and haunt tours (beside how many times can you go see one haunt anyhow). So what makes it, any different. and I also here MHC is too late in the season, YES but it can be moved up earlier, this is impossible to do on a year maybe two's notice, it takes planning and committment.

My arguement for MHC is based on 1. expense you get a 2 for 1 deal, you can get 2 10x10 booths at MHC for the price of 1 10x10 at TW. 2. MHC does not have drayage fees. 3. Several options for haunts to visit on the tours or several haunts to open there doors and let you look around. 4. It is run by HAUNTERS not by an outside the industry company that doen't understand our industry. 5. You are in the back yard of a few of the industries largest manufacturers in the industry. This list can go on and on but these are my main points.

MHC can be tweaked to make it an even better show then it is, but you must keep in mind "Rome wasn't built in a day"

Take it for what its worth.

mindtumor
02-13-2009, 08:18 AM
St. Louis couldn't handle Detroit, LOL! Larry have you ever been to Detroit or Michigan for that matter? Detroit has more nice square mileage then the entire size of St. Louis. St. Louis is cool but I hate to tell you minus the arch the city looks a lot like Detroit, LOL! So basically Larry you live in a smaller more crime filled version of the D, LOL! I'm just messing with you.

All teasing aside though Detroit is not what the media has portrayed it to be. It is a huge city and has a lot of potential. I believe the way our state is run is our biggest problem. Michigan is a beautiful state with a pretty good size population(which seems to be dwindling lately) People SHOULD want to come here. Maybe when when we get our shit straight and realize the auto industry can no longer be our cash cow things will take off again. That being said I don't really want to move Transworld here. Maybe some sort of haunt fan convention in the summer would be cool though.

kennyny
02-13-2009, 01:30 PM
This isn't in regards to the Haunt Show, but did anyone notice on the HCP floor plan in Vegas the very large Rosemont Convention Center booth right next to the TransWorld's sales office booth? Does anyone know if the retail show is returning to Rosemont next year?

Also, the Haunt Show's floor plan has been updated with more vendors. Some look to be pretty new to the industry.

Killer Katie
02-13-2009, 10:54 PM
I vote "the middle".
ANd keep it in one spot, that way, like Chicago, people can get together in the same places year after year, set gathering spots, etc.
Detroit was cool. I drove by myself, got lost on 8mile and lived to tell the tale! Besides, Erebus was brilliant!

Jolly Pumpkin
02-20-2009, 06:36 PM
Wow, this is the most fixed poll if I've ever seen one. How is everyone voting for St. Louis when no one has even been to the convention yet? It might be incredible or it may just be a disaster. We'll just have to wait and see. I don't think any of these areas are good choices for voting. But I might change my mind if the haunt show is as good as it's made out to be. I suggest Transworld being in Louisville, KY for 2010. Their convention center is incredible, they have some of the best haunts in the United States and it's just a great place.

graystone
02-23-2009, 03:41 PM
But I voted and when I did the St. Louis one jumped 2 votes at the same time. And I did not see any there was no members on line. Can visitors vote? Thats why voting should should who and what they voted for. Shane and its maybe its just a freak thing. Shane this time.

drfrightner
02-24-2009, 02:01 PM
Sorry I've been away for the last few days. And just quickly... I will agree with Noah that as for St. Louis wait until after you come here and then decide. Personally I feel St. Louis is a much better spot for this than Chicago to keep costs more in check. And for the record St. Louis is better located than Indy, but Indy is not far away maybe 3 hours.

St. Louis is called the 'Gateway to the West' and that is the purpose of the Arch. St. Louis in smack in the middle of the east and the west. Back in the old days 99% of the people lived in the east and went through St. Louis to get to the west.

No matter its really a silly debate because no has been to St. Louis yet. We've all been to Orlando, Vegas, Chicago (Rosemont), and I've even been to New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, all for IAAPA.

I've been to other cities as well for tradeshows including Fort Lauderdale, Cinncinatti, and several others I can't even think of right now. The main places have always been VEGAS or ORLANDO.

Those are the two biggest in the US for tradeshow, most popular for sure. But can the haunt industry afford most popular, I think that is a NO!

St. Louis visitors convention gets conventions based on giving tradeshow producers the best price, making things as cheap as possible from the space to the hotels. I think we got that and with booths down to 1200 I think its opening the door for more vendors or it should be.

Hotel costs from vegas or chicago specifically are down as much as 50% for the main hotels. There are no toll bridges, there are over 100 places to eat within 3 square miles, there are haunts to tour, events being planned everywhere all cheap, and we have over 100 vendors so far more than we've ever seen before.

What else do you want?

So again give it a chance, see what happens and then make your comments!

Start a new poll then but everyone needs to stop being hypocrates...we say we want things cheaper so you get cheaper but then you say somewhere else would be better, you say you want this or that and then when you get it you say something else...

What is imporant to you outline those items like for example...

1) Cost to attend (cheaper)
2) Lots of places to stay or eat (cheaper)
3) A central location or say a warm location
4) Best place to give vendors the best chance to bring more product

blah, blah, blah

Then analize and decide from there. Eveything is pro vs con some cons here maybe more pros there... don't throw around your opinions based on personal feelings, but rather after fact gathering.

If I based it strickly on personal feelings I'd vote for the Bahamas!!! Or how about on a cruise ship, or in Europe or whatever. They sound fun just like say Orlando but is it practical as a whole for this industry? No I don't think so.

Larry

Jolly Pumpkin
02-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Honestly I really don't care where the convention is being held. It just needs to be in a city that's safe, has a variety of food and fun things to do and has some quality haunts that will be open for the convention. I'm kind of finding it hard to tell the difference between Transworld and Midwest Haunters Convention at this point though. Right now it looks like MHC is going to have more social events, better seminars and workshops, much better deals on their haunt tours and just be an overall better event. Both conventions will have around the same amount of vendors with Transworld having a couple more high profile companies.

Although I thought that Tranworld in Rosemont, IL was the best convention when the haunt show and Halloween show were joined together I'm not really sure about this year. MHC is run by haunters, booths are cheaper and it's just an all around fun event. Can someone tell me what the differences are between MHC and Transworld this year. Please don't say that only buyers are going to Transworld because we all know that's bull shit. There are tons of people that are registering that aren't buyers. I can guaruntee you that.

mindtumor
02-24-2009, 08:43 PM
Honestly I really don't care where the convention is being held. It just needs to be in a city that's safe, has a variety of food and fun things to do and has some quality haunts that will be open for the convention. I'm kind of finding it hard to tell the difference between Transworld and Midwest Haunters Convention at this point though. Right now it looks like MHC is going to have more social events, better seminars and workshops, much better deals on their haunt tours and just be an overall better event. Both conventions will have around the same amount of vendors with Transworld having a couple more high profile companies.

Although I thought that Tranworld in Rosemont, IL was the best convention when the haunt show and Halloween show were joined together I'm not really sure about this year. MHC is run by haunters, booths are cheaper and it's just an all around fun event. Can someone tell me what the differences are between MHC and Transworld this year. Please don't say that only buyers are going to Transworld because we all know that's bull shit. There are tons of people that are registering that aren't buyers. I can guaruntee you that.

Don't say the "R" around here. I don't want to hear about how terrible that place is anymore. I don't want to have to type "That if you drive down the street you can find places to eat" anymore.

Nightgore
02-24-2009, 08:54 PM
Again, if it keeps to move... I'll just stop attending. I don't like trying to keep up with a traveling circus. I want to be able to hit this time of year and, without looking it up, know where TW will be, etc. etc.

St. Louis is fine with me... keep it there. -Tyler

PS: Louisville would be great too... still centralized and WAY cheaper than St. Louis! ;)

Tartarus
02-25-2009, 04:59 PM
I think we should do it in Dallas. There are plenty of hotels, two airports with cheap flights and lots of haunted houses to tour.

drfrightner
02-26-2009, 12:41 AM
Noah,

Here is the difference and its a big one... Transworld spends six figures on marketing MHC doesn't, Hauntcon doesn't, all of those shows combined don't spend a tenth of that money.

This is about QUALIFIED BUYERS for vendors, tradeshows cost a lot of money Noah, its not about booth prices its about travel costs, creating product, hotels, time away from your shop. If you are going to make the investment in a show it will cost you, you need to know without a doubt that the show will deliver QUALIFIED BUYERS!

Noah you do not own a haunted house, hence you are NOT a qualified buyer, now on the other hand you will attend MHC or Hauntcon or whatever but you don't bring the dollars that vendors need to recoup the investment. No offense but these boards and many others are filled with people with opinions many of them in fact, but almost everyone has one thing in common... not a qualified buyer. Almost every single person with an opinion that voices it for MHC, MHC, MHC do not own haunts.

Tradeshows are for people who want to spend money, not go to a dance, or or get into a zombie walk. Again all of those things are fun, and I myself would find all of those things interesting but I'm past those days. I don't have time to attend every single show just because someone produces one. There are too many shows, and most will fail you can bank on that one!

Vendors will not be supporting but maybe two of these shows going forward... if you ask me MHC does the best job at promoting this thing thanks to Barry. Barry is on top of every free opportunity out there.

Take the Hauntworld vendor yellow pages, he's the ONLY event to list, take the time to list. Barry is on top of this stuff for sure.

I think MHC has some value to vendors but has 100 times the value to those who attend. Transworld has some value to those who attend but 100 times more value to the vendor. Do you see what I'm saying?

That is the difference and until MHC or Hauntcon or the show in Philly, or any of these things steps up invests $100,000 to $200,000.00 in marketing it will stay the way it is right now.

For MHC to become the main show here are the things they would have to change to make it happen...

1) Move the show up into March
2) Qualify buyers, eliminate the horror fans and actors
3) Invest 6 figures into marketing
4) Ramp up education which means paying more to speakers
5) Eliminate many of the fun things they do and offer

If they diid all this what what MHC be? Not what it is now! Would the cost of booths triple? YES! Would the people who love MHC now not like it as much? YES! MHC has their own niche and it works and you love it, so why change it? Why kick out the actors, and the horror fans, and make it more business and less fun?

Transworld is all business and vendors need qualified buyers showing up at tradeshows not actors, not horror nuts, or people who don't spend money. You know its not free to develope new product with almost NO orders for 3 months, then buy booths, ship product, set it up, pay all the drayage costs, stay in hotels, blah, blah.

To some this is all fun and to others this is how they make a living.

Lets not mix the two together. Let MHC do what they do and let Transworld do what they do and everyone is happy!

Larry

mindtumor
02-26-2009, 08:57 AM
Just curious do you go to Transworld? Do you own a haunt or are you a buyer?

Jolly Pumpkin
02-26-2009, 10:54 AM
No I am not a haunt owner Larry, but I am a haunt reporter. I will be at Transworld to cover the event for my websites City Blood-Ohio Haunt Reviews (http://www.ohioshaunted.com) and The Halloween Database (http://www.halloweendatabase.com). I may not be spending tens of thousands of dollars, but I will be there and may possibly make some purchases since I will have a luxury bus haunt tour called Destination Fear (http://www.destinationfear.com) in October and will be looking at things to purchase for the event. I will be the only Ohio haunt review website at Transworld covering the event for haunts and haunt enthusiasts in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. So even though I don't own a haunt I'm just as important as anyone else who is going to be at the tradeshow.

Ken Spriggs
02-26-2009, 11:22 AM
I know some people are not going to like me.....but this isn't going to stop me from saying what I have to say.

Larry is kind of right....I said kind of......so count to 10 and read now

Transworld....of old.....was a great show to do business.....8 years ago.
We made props and sold them through a distibutor named Morris costumes almost 15 years ago.
Since then I have been to every Transworld....and some even before then
I have seen the show go from suits with BIG money.........to guys in black tshirts and haunt coats. Now I do have the mentioned attire...and am a firm believer in.....what difference does it make I am dressed the way i want to be......but i am making a point. People of all walks of life may have money to spend....but a person with a briefcase and suit looks to be more ready to do business than a guy in a tshirt and jeans......perception is the problem here.....it is profiling at its finest.

All the big costume companies and some of the smaller ones really got tired of seeing the same companies over and over......clothing is a dead give away!!!! How many people come to the booth with the same tshirt on? When you see the groups and you have to entertain 10 people and they aren't the ones doing the buying.....you just waste time.

Now I know everyone is a potential customer....but to Rubies Morris and the others
You spending 1000 is nothing compared to some of the orders they take.
I am a vendor.....I have seen it a million times......
I don't care because we do enjoy making peoples stomach turn by making them smell things that really smell bad! It's what we do.....stench

But if you bring 10 people to the show....that is 10 people who are out there collecting brochures. Now I know we all sit down after getting the brochures from potential vendors then we go back and buy after we sort it all out....I get it.....but they didn't need 10 brochures to make a choice.

There is a huge difference between MHC and TW....no doubt
I love MHC....it is fun.....We do the smaller shows to reach the smaller customers
After selling smells to the industry for the last 6 years.......I think many people know we are out there but we still do the small shows to keep our name out there.

I do hope the shows pay off this year.....we are producing some costumes to show and it may just move us in a new direction......besides the smells......and we do need to do all the shows to get our new stuff out there...........


Ok back to the real topic............BRING IT BACK TO CHICAGO
I will personally take you to an affordable place to eat.....if I have too

drfrightner
02-26-2009, 01:39 PM
Noah,

Again don't take this the wrong way but no more or less you are not important to the vendors at the show. Maybe they won't say it but its just the truth. I can tell you right now that I talk to vendors and most of them would prefer if only buyers show up, just like Rubies only wants retail buyers showing up to the Halloween retail show.

I'm not saying you are not an important reporter, or that your site isn't very important to the haunts you cover but to a vendor they are paying a lot of money to stand there on the floor and they want to talk to people who have check books period. This is how they pay their bills, and you are at the you should respect the fact that vendors need to talk to customers not actors, not people who love Halloween but customers.

Vendors have this one crack at selling a lot of product just this one, they have three days to make sales, to recoup their investment, to make enough orders to make it to another Transworld or for that matter to be able to afford to go to MHC or even stay in business.

Noah, I've had vendors tell me if things don't go well at Transworld they could be out of business. This show isn't MHC, its not Hauntcon, its a business to business show. All of your coverage is needed, appreciated, respected, and I for one thank you personally.

But I see all this chatter from people who do not own haunts about what we should do, or whats better, or what we need to change when it comes to tradeshows and I can tell you more or less you are all wrong.

MHC is something special to you and for good reason, its a hybrid right between you and the guy who's making a living at this, its more fun, more for you the show attendee. But lets stop clouding facts, Transworld spends SIX FIGURES or mailing lists, marketing, mailings, advertisement and more to reach and to only go after QUALIFIED BUYERS!

I'm not saying MHC couldn't do this because they can, and maybe the should but you are talking about a full time commitment and an investment of hundreds of thousands of dollars and once that investment is made this show will change cost wise for everyone and many of the things you love so much about MHC will be gone.

So I hope you understand the differences here and lets all stop trying to pit Transworld vs. MHC because its just not fair to either show at all.

Lastly, lets remember that Transworld to vendors is their lifeline, and lets respect their time at the shows and give them more space to sell to their clients this is a very important time for all vendors.

Larry

Dr. Giggles
02-26-2009, 01:48 PM
San Diego may be the most southwestern city in the continental US but it has a LOT to offer. A beautiful convention center center built next to the bay. A great haunted house "The Haunted Hotel" built in the basement of one of the Gaslamp Quarter's old buildings. Sixteen blocks of restaurants and nightclubs including Croce's, built and operated by Jim Croce's widow. The Whaley House, a real haunted house. The San Diego Zoo, SeaWorld, Legoland, and only about 90 miles up the road, Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm. And, of course, some of the best weather in the country.

Hey your forgetting "The Haunted Trails of Balboa Park!" hahhaah We are a part of the hotel family!
Anyways yeah theres loads of places here to stay as well. But i do suppose its a little out of the way. For most anyway. You should be a tour guide info...and yeah Im still gunna toss San Diego into the hat it may be a little farther but its beautifull, and it has a great convention center.

Jolly Pumpkin
02-26-2009, 02:32 PM
Everyone knows that Transworld has a bigger budget and spends a lot more money on marketing than MHC. I was just saying that when you look at it on paper there aren't that many differences between MHC and Transworld when it comes to the tradeshow floor and the events they both have. Of course Transworld is going to be able to have a bigger marketing budget, have the ability to email every person involved in the industry. Transworld Exhibits has been around for over 50 years and produces many different tradeshows every year. Transworld gets more buyers because it has a lot more support from vendors. This is because of its history and that it doesn't just let any peron roam the tradeshow floor.

I've been to Transworld before and it's a much more business like atmosphere and a much larger event than any of the conventions. But that of course was when the Halloween and Haunt show were together. I think the seperation of Halloween and Haunts is going to be The Haunt Show's downfall, but that's a different subject of its own. I haven't been to the haunt show in St. Louis yet or this year's MHC since neither event has occured yet. So everything anyone says about either tradeshow/convention is speculation at this point since neither has happened yet. This subject has gotten out of control. On to the next.

drfrightner
02-26-2009, 04:27 PM
In the end I'm saying this...

Everyone needs to stop pitting them against each other they are two different shows, with totally different agendas and both offer something unique and both should be supported.

Transworld atleast right now is the show where buyers will be buying and vendors will be selling. Transworld show won't be the funner of the two shows, but the quality of the education will be the strongest money can buy, the quality of the haunt tours will be strong, and the new products will be SECOND TO NONE!

MHC will have several vendors you won't see anywhere else, and many of the main vendors we buy from, they will have overall a higher amount of seminars, more events, more tours, but the amount of business being done much less.

Two different shows both totally successful in simular but different ways.

Both needed, both appreciated, both supported, but everyone needs to stop making it one against the other.

If you own a business in the Halloween industry... I will rate them in this order...

1) Transworld Haunt Show
2) IAAPA
3) MHC

Others to throw into the mix are: Transworlds Retail Show, Fun Expo, Hauntcon, and National Haunters Convention. But when monies tight you should follow the order listed because they can help your business more.

And the list goes on from there. If you own a business and you do not attend IAAPA YOU ARE NUTS!!!!!!!!!! If you own a business in the Halloween industry and you do NOT ATTEND THE TRANSWORLD HAUNT SHOW...find a cliff and jump off. If you can't find the time to drive up to Columbus pick up your orders from Scarefactory, or Unit 70 or whatever then I don't know what to tell you. Find the time and go to all of them.


Larry

Nightgore
02-26-2009, 05:15 PM
Actually, MHC's education line-up is THE BEST I've seen... this year, Transworlds SUCKS!!! Now, with that said... I'm not saying the speakers them selves suck... hell no; just the amount of classes vs. the topics vs. the cost... IT SUCKS!!!

Right now it's looking that I'll be spending around $200-$400 on seminars for a crew of 4!!! WTF!!! At MHC it will be $300 for a crew of for, FOR EVERY CLASS THEY HAVE!!!! Not too mention they are offering classes in almost every topic, taught be some very good people!

Transworld should hire Barry to put together their education series! Just a thought... -Tyler