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Raycliff Manor
12-22-2006, 12:08 PM
Can anyone provide me with information on how cgi technology is used in your haunt and what equipment you need to use it? I'm really interested in applying this technology into the Raycliff Manor attraction, but I'm not sure what all is involved. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Kel

SomeThingInTheIce
12-22-2006, 03:26 PM
I don't have a answer for you Kal but I know that Larry does use cgi in his haunts and in the attractions that he builds. He should be able to answer all your questions, just before he sells you a whole cgi package for your haunt.lol. Just kidding but he should have all the answers.

Raycliff Manor
12-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Thanks! I've actually been emailing Larry about this and trying to get some specific info. I was interested in finding out if others have used the cgi technology as well and how they used it. Thanks again...

Kel

Duke of Darkness
12-22-2006, 03:34 PM
We have been discussing CGI as well, but are still in the investigative stage at this point. Oh, it appears that I am back in the haunt business. Expect a more formal announcement in a week or two after we have a chance to work out a few more details. Beware world, a new haunt is coming!

Dave

Raycliff Manor
12-22-2006, 03:37 PM
Very cool news Dave! Keep us posted!!!

Kel

SomeThingInTheIce
12-22-2006, 03:44 PM
The world can always use a new haunt! :twisted:

Jim Warfield
12-22-2006, 07:40 PM
"C G I"?
I know alot about Cranky Grumpy Idiots.
What would you like to know about them?

NightMareManor
12-24-2006, 04:47 AM
All I can say is PRESHOW PRESHOW PRESHOW!!!

kevin McCurdy has done some preshow articles in hauntworld in the past. Check your previous hauntworlds for the article.

-Sean

Raycliff Manor
12-24-2006, 03:54 PM
Hey Dave, here's a company you may want to check into to. Hollow 3D Productions, http://www.hollow3d.com David is the person you want to speak with. He has been extremely helpful! He's going to be at TW so we'll be able to check out his product in person as well. The price seems really reasonable too! Congrats again and keep us posted on your progress with the haunt!

Kel

SomeThingInTheIce
12-24-2006, 07:40 PM
Kel, this is what I was thinking of when I posted about a peppers ghost effect. Sweet, thanks for the link.

Duke of Darkness
12-26-2006, 11:00 AM
Kel, I had seen this site before (after they did a piece on RFR), and their system is interesting. I am not, however, really looking for hardware, but more for information on producing the video itself (or perhaps a reasonably priced service to do so). The services part of the website isn't up yet. Did you happen to discuss this area with them?

Dave

Raycliff Manor
12-26-2006, 11:49 AM
I really was just getting information on the whole system and what all it entails. The projector would be the only thing needed to purchase separately and that can be found on eBay or less than buying from Epson directly. :wink:

Kel

SomeThingInTheIce
12-26-2006, 02:46 PM
plexi-mirrior 3'x6' $122.00, 2'x2' $27.00, I got prices today from Quality glass and Mirror. The frame can be made from wood, it wouldn't fold up but hay.

PumpkinHead
12-26-2006, 03:03 PM
SomeThingInTheIce and Raycliff Manor,
What effects are you trying to achieve? If you are doing pepper's ghosts with humanoid ghosts it might be cheaper and easier to just film actors doing the ghosts and adding special effects to the video. Disney did this on their tower of terror attraction.
-PH

Raycliff Manor
12-26-2006, 03:09 PM
I'm actually going after the effects like the ones on the Hollow3D website at http://www.hollow3d.com/products/imagery.html This is the type of cgi Im looking for. I think this company is going to be able to meet my needs. I'd love to see video footage of what has been done at the Tower of Terror though, if such video exists! :)

Kel

PumpkinHead
12-26-2006, 03:53 PM
They do a pepper's ghost effect in which you look down a hallway and see the ghosts of the doomed elevator's pasengers.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GZgWNCAP9V4
the effect I am talking about starts 1 and a half minutes into the video.
-PH

Raycliff Manor
12-26-2006, 04:07 PM
Awesome footage! Thanks for posting this! :twisted:

Kel

PumpkinHead
12-26-2006, 04:58 PM
No problem kel, it is an awesome ride!
The effect is simple actually.
Guests look down a hallway unaware that between them and the back wall stands a piece of glass set on a 45 degree angle. The image of the passengers is projected on the righthand wall about 10 feet away from the guests ( they don't see the projection because it happens in an alcove that appears to be another hallway that branches off.

Like so:

..................alcove with nothing.........................

Guest..................angled glass..........................back wall

.................alcove with projection.......................

Hopefully that makes some sense...
-PH

Duke of Darkness
12-26-2006, 06:13 PM
While their off the shelf products are nice, they are not quite what we are looking for. We may well just take PH's suggestion and shoot live video on a modified pepper's ghost (you can do really cool stuff with an extra piece of glass and an extra projector (ala Disney)). We have a good video editing suite to play with, so this is a good option for us. On the other hand, don't want to reinvent the wheel, so if anyone comes up with more good info, please post.

Dave

Jim Warfield
12-26-2006, 07:06 PM
Talking tech-nickle stuff just to confuse some of us half-wits?
What's a "Wheel"? anyway?
My Pepper's Ghost shows a "Hot Babe" in the reflection, which is just actually setting their minds up to have a good scare, courtesy of the "Hot Babe"!
I have scared people who told me they never get scared in a haunted house with this previously mentioned set up.
The main item making it all work was given to me by a well-known haunter who said, "Maybe you can figure something out with this in your haunted house, I can't use it."
(Being fair, this item is not really a haunted house item as far as I know, maybe that's part of the secret of the reaction it ellicts?)
Lots of FUN!!!

Greg Chrise
12-27-2006, 12:20 AM
So, CGI stands for: Cardboard Girl Illusion?

jason
12-27-2006, 10:05 AM
While their off the shelf products are nice, they are not quite what we are looking for. We may well just take PH's suggestion and shoot live video on a modified pepper's ghost (you can do really cool stuff with an extra piece of glass and an extra projector (ala Disney)). We have a good video editing suite to play with, so this is a good option for us. On the other hand, don't want to reinvent the wheel, so if anyone comes up with more good info, please post.

Dave

hey dave where did you hear/learn of something like this? the combination alone sounds exciting.

Duke of Darkness
12-27-2006, 10:44 AM
Jason,

Okay, being an attorney, I have to preface my answer with the statement that this source can be used for inspiration, but if you take the ideas and use them as is, you could be committing legal or ethical violations.

Okay, that said, if you don't mind some dry reading and want to be inspired as to ways to create new methods for special effects, spend a few hours on Google searching patents. Using the key words "Disney" and "Illusion" will yield very interesting results.

Dave

Hollow 3D
12-27-2006, 10:46 AM
Hello everyone,

We do offer custom CGI and video production services for use with projection systems. Our "Services" section on the web site is still down and for that I apologize. We have been very busy producing new content for use with our projection systems or any projection system for that matter.

We can produce custom scenes and visual effects at very reasonable prices. Plus we will have 20 new characters and scenes ready do go as a turn key solution. We will be previewing the characters at Transworld along with a couple of new products.

I will be happy to answer any questions. Please send me an email or give a call.

Thank you

David Love
Hollow 3D Productions
http://www.hollolw3d.com
hollow3d@pacbell.net
805-341-8819

Jim Warfield
12-27-2006, 06:18 PM
"Ethics?"
Those are those ways of acting and being that we would like to see everyone else strickly adhere to, right? But of course they couldn't possibly also apply to US!
Everytime I hear about someone stealing some idea or routine from my show to use somewhere else, I always pray to the god of"Their Audience Were Here Already And Saw It, And Will Recall The Experience And Treat The Thief Like The Bowel-Of-A-Whale That He Is."
Sometimes this obscure showbusiness god of originality does respond and smite them with jeers and being made into a naked, pimply-beaked ostrich.

"Look at that guy on the stage, he was ostrich-sized!"

Greg Chrise
12-27-2006, 06:24 PM
On such short notice, I'm not really sure what to do with the bowels of a whale? Is there an eskimo FAQs page I can go to for reference?

Jim Warfield
12-27-2006, 06:29 PM
They make very resilliant wind-bags for your bagpipes.
Be the envy of all the pipers , able to hold that note 20 times longer than anyone else.
You'll have bass tones that can talk to submarines half way around the planet.

Greg Chrise
12-27-2006, 06:34 PM
Cool, I like bag pipe music.

jason
12-27-2006, 08:47 PM
Jason,

Okay, being an attorney, I have to preface my answer with the statement that this source can be used for inspiration, but if you take the ideas and use them as is, you could be committing legal or ethical violations.

Okay, that said, if you don't mind some dry reading and want to be inspired as to ways to create new methods for special effects, spend a few hours on Google searching patents. Using the key words "Disney" and "Illusion" will yield very interesting results.

Dave

ahh yes. i never looked too much into those topics, not that it hasn't crossed my mind. just never enough time to really get into the research. still i'll make some time. lol

thanks dave