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crazyfarmer
12-28-2006, 06:29 PM
Can anyone tell me anything of this haunt? Is it worth going to? The auction is in Feb. by Norton auctioneers. Thanks for any comments.

dr0zombie
12-28-2006, 06:50 PM
http://www.screamworksatlanta.com/

He was trying to sell it through some of the boards... I have lost a hard drive since I emailed him about the event. And I learned the hard way I was not backing up my OutLook email addresses with the inbox. So I can't give you an email addy.... but you may be able to search on the event here and find a thread.

drfrightner
12-28-2006, 10:29 PM
Its being put into an auction in February...the whole thing will be auctioned by Nortons. It might already be listed on their site...

These guys LOST everything, they're really down in the dumps and just need to recoup as much of their money as they can. They had to have the auction quick because they're moving back to New York, and they're paying like $5000 per month for rent. This was a total flop even though they spent tons of money on it and hired the Godfather.

They had hired non other than Leonard Pickel, to be their consultant, and he sold them a bunch of used attractions he designed. So what you're looking at is something he did for these guys...if you know anything about Leonard Pickel you know what this looks like.

Those guys did another haunted haunt called Shipwreck, which they claim they did mostly themselves, it was clearly the best one of the bunch. They have a blackhole tunnel which seemed to be in good condition.

I took tons of pics of this thing...would someone like me to upload them?

Larry

MidnightEvil
12-28-2006, 10:45 PM
Here's the link for the auction

http://www.nortonauctioneers.com/Auctions/Screamworks/Scream%20Works.pdf

PumpkinHead
12-28-2006, 11:03 PM
Larry,
It would be nice to see those pics, thanks.
-PH

dr0zombie
12-28-2006, 11:08 PM
Well I hope I am not stepping on any toes.... here is what he sent me when I asked for photos in early November. Larry probably has better photos than this.....

http://www.geocities.com/scareullc/Main.html

crazyfarmer
12-29-2006, 12:02 AM
Thanks for the links dr Ozombie! and yes Larry if you could download pics, that woud be great. Ihave done a haunted corn maze for 7 years and a haunt in our woods but am getting tired of being dependent on the weather, which in Mn. it can suck in Oct. This is my first venture into what would be an enclosed haunt. Are these haunts bad if they are designed by this Leonard guy, if not what would be a fair estimate I might want to bid on any of these? Thanks again for all help and info.

drfrightner
12-29-2006, 02:09 AM
When I get a chance today I will attempt to upload them. Rich Hanf is trying to contact these guys for an interview...it would be a great story about what went right and wrong. When you spend $500,000.00 to run a haunt and fail, I think there is some valuable lessons to be learned.

One off the top of my head is DO NOT EVER HIRE the know it all who seems to flop everything he touches. His string of disasters is NOW legendary! Is there EVEN one success for the Godfather? I'm NOT dogging him, this is EXACTLY why I speak up when he goes around claiming to be the bible or the godfather, or some legend.

People like these guys buy into that bull and look where it gets them...bankrupt!

Aside from that I'm sure these guys would tell you that location, location, location matters. They told me they didn't have the location that they thought they did. Lastly, their attraction wasn't really that excited, and thats putting it nice...you have to look down the road with Netherworld, who has set the standard in the market.

You can't come to town with a bunch of Pickel houses and think the market will accept that when another haunt has set a standard, which for anyone would be hard to match. I would be interested to learn about what they think they did wrong...they probably could help the industry more than anyone could due to their attempt to go for broke.

They went for it...it didn't work out. Personally I feel sorry for them, they're really nice guys! I really feel bad for them!

Larry

mindtumor
12-29-2006, 06:26 AM
You know really that is a good idea trying to get them to interview and talk about what possibly went wrong. I think that kind of information would be useful. Maybe for the next magazine?

Nightmaretony
12-29-2006, 08:39 AM
Agreed. A successful haunt is far more than simply putting up a new or used attraction and hoping it would work. Location, manpower, access, logistics, a sensible budget.

Let us see, 5,000 per month for RENT? For THAT kind of money, they could have purchased some rural land to build on and the rent would instead be a mortgage, with equity building up. Also, how can one possible expect to recoup and make money on that kind of rent?

Would love to know their history, why from moving to New York to Atlanta to run their haunts. Almost like a babe in the woods things.

QUESTION: Was this group IAHA members or members of Hauntworld, by any chance? To me, if you don't go about getting into the haunt community to learn what you can and make connections and learn the ins and outs of things, but instead rely upon a single consultant resource, THAT to me is stupid. It is like putting all of your money into a single stock advisor's wisdom without checking out the marketplace or knowing the world of stockmarketing.

Ken Spriggs
12-29-2006, 09:12 AM
Gee Larry there you go again.......
It was a bad plan before Leonard got involved!

So Larry is Hauntworld going to sponsor Dream Reapers along with Leonard and Haunted Attraction? (haven't asked either of you yet so don't think I have some master plan)

I mean what better way to unite the industry
:shock:

Oh and NightmareTony....we pay double that in Chicago for rent...ALL YEAR LONG! Come check out what 125,000 a year can buy you when you are at Transworld, we will be open!

drfrightner
12-29-2006, 11:53 AM
Ken,

No there Larry doesn't go again... Ken I don't think you'll ever understand why I point these things out. Is it because I don't like the guy? NO! Believe it or not that is NOT the reason.

In my opinion this guy is the biggest failed haunter around, he couldn't make it with his own haunts in Myrtle Beach, CLOSED, he couldn't make it in Salem, CLOSED, he couldn't even pass fire codes in Wildwood, NJ, (haunt set up the haunt and then the pier had to push off the haunt off the pier by a bulldozer into a trashcan (true story) ). He was the main consultant to Madison Scare Garden, FAILED (lost according to Lynton Harris over $800,000.00 and Lynton told the whole industry he was sold piles of wood). Another example is this boat he worked on, which he got fired and sued, now you have Atlanta Screamworks. But let me tell you I'm sure there are many more in between...heck just look at all the units he has for sale. WHY?

Let me tell you Ken, you say Screamworks was flawed from the get go, ya it was from the minute they let Leonard talk them into buying those used haunted houses it was flawed. Leonard was their consultant, he's the one who sold them these attractions he was their guy...they looked to the Godfather for advice and well the trackrecord stays on track doesn't it.

When a guy goes around TELLING people who don't know any better 'I'm the godfather, I'm the bible of the industry...' some people believe it and hire this guy, and then they join the long list of failures and disappointments, atleast from my opinion. If I'm wrong show me how I'm wrong, show me what I'm saying isn't true. If we allow people to believe this guy is really the GODFATHER of this industry, another sucker could be taken to the farm and lose everything.

I know just how hard it is to make it in this industry and so do you Ken...do you want this to happen to another person? I will say this much, if someone tries to open a haunt in Chicago a big one, the best thing you can hope for is they hire this guy...LOL.

If you met those guys I'd feel sorry for them as well I know I do! Look I won't rant about it again, just understand where I'm coming from, as I said its a tough business, and people especially if they are to spend $500k to get started need to know good information, I just would feel guility allowing someone to believe that one person is the godfather or the bible of this industry. It just isn't true and no one that I know believes this!

Larry

drfrightner
12-29-2006, 12:35 PM
The bottom line right now I guess is not to argue about the bad advice they got, but spread the word that you can pick up some equipment pretty cheap at an auction in Atlanta.

These guys will probably never get back into the industry, they need to sell their equipment and are hoping as many people as possible come to the auction.

UNDERSTAND THIS: This auction will NOT be your typical auction. They're auctioning off each attraction not parts. You buy a whole entire attraction.

The auction should go pretty quick!

crazyfarmer
12-29-2006, 01:04 PM
o.k. please correct me if I'm wrong. but what I see in the posts. these haunts are not something I should waste my time on. From some of the pics I've seen they dont"t look alot different than some other haunts I've gone to. Is Leonard Pickels haunt designs just that bad. some do seem very small for the value. Thanks for everyone:s help.

drfrightner
12-29-2006, 01:12 PM
Here is my HONEST view...

The haunts are not good that goes without saying. The pirate one isn't bad and the mansion one could be fixed up with REAL props. What you're really buying is a wall system, something you could very easy make into something better.

There is nothing wrong with the mazes themselves, although a lot of the wood is particle board, which really sucks. Someone can buy these things and set them up at their haunts and use them as side attractions to make an extra buck. They will need someone to make them look better that goes without saying. But you're getting a complete maze...what its worth to you I don't know.

But if you can pick them up for $10,000 to $20,000 each you'd probably make a lot of money with them as side shows, upcharge events.

I don't know what they will or won't sell for...the best one is the Pirate one, second to that is the mansion. There is almost nothing to the others, outside the black hole tunnel which we all can use.

I would say if you're looking for extra attractions you might consider going to this auction and bidding. It could be worth it to you!

Larry

SomeThingInTheIce
12-29-2006, 01:50 PM
$500,000.00 to start :shock: If you try and hit one out of the park your first time at bat more often then not your going to strike out. Start small and feel the waters, I can not believe they were talked into spending that kind of money right out of the gate and with NetherWorld dominating Ga.
He//, the Jcees should open up next to Halloween Horror Nights.

KroneDaddy
12-29-2006, 02:18 PM
OK, I might be going out on a limb here but here goes. I'm sure they exist, but I haven't heard of any... has anyone been really successful buy jumping into the haunt business, dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars in one year on a super mega multiple attraction?

Most of you I think and other big successful hauntes started small and built upon that. Every time I hear these stories of people that mortgaged their homes and borrowed hundreds of thousands of dollars and were shocked when 50,000 people didn't show up their first year, I just cringe.

Granted my show is real small, all I can really manage at this time with my job, but I hope to build upon it over the years, already have. I started on a shoestring, and virtually remain one, but we have a really good show.

Whenever anyone asks me how to get into the business I caution them about going into a haunt completely balls out, unless they a multimillionaires.

How do you make a small fortune in the haunt business??
Start with a big fortune.

I feel for these guys, and hope they recoup some of their money back. As for Leonard's part in it, I try to stay out of that since I like to get along with everybody. Don't know if anyone could have saved that situation. Good luck to the boys, sorry it didn't work out, I know it hurts.

Timmy

MDKing
12-29-2006, 05:21 PM
Is particle board the same as OSB board?

Thanks,
Allan

drfrightner
12-29-2006, 05:32 PM
No its a panel made from scraps of wood, compressed and glued.

Its TERRIBLE wood, you can't paint anything on it because all you see is grain. The idiot (whoops sorry LP) that thought it was a good idea to build a detailed haunted mansion out of ANY particle board should be shot! LOL

This is the cheapest wood you can buy!

But the whole thing isn't made out of this wood but a lot is.

Larry

Greg Chrise
12-29-2006, 06:05 PM
From personal experience, I would really first hand check out the condition of the wall systems. If they are used Elm Steet OSB walls they were built in 1993 to 1996. Wood 10 or more years ago did not cost what it does today and although these have perhaps a spooky paint job, it has probably reached it's life expectancy.

I would value them at much lower. I paid $10 per panel and spent another $20 per panel remodeling or the equivelant of just buying new to begin with. Remodeling involves taking them completely apart, repainting everything and putting them back together with new screws and culling out any bad lumber. A 185 panel attraction really cost maybe $3,000 to build in 1993. Then in the past 10 years they all have been continuously for sale in the $65,000 to $75,000 range.

As there are other goodies like sound systems and emergency lights thsi might add to the value but again these are also vintage items that in many cases only last a year or two.

I would not pay more than $5,000 per attraction. If you are prepared to pay more, it might only be worth it to understand the floor layout, how it is assembled and what it requires to set up and tear down a temporary attraction. An expensive education of sorts.

It would be a good starter haunt if emphasis was put on props and actors. In the case were the gentleman has had a long running corn maze, yo will find the customer resistant to change or paying more for a few years and only wish to come to the corn maze as they always had so cheaper is better.

It was also the standard that these attractions were set up outdoors and OSB doesn't stand up very good in that application. That being said, in the early 90's OSB was the material of the future and no one knew how long it would last and it took until just the past few years for proper glues to be formulated that would really be approved for exterior applications like roofing or wall liners.

If you did buy one, expect to only get maybe 2 years out of it and be throwing it in a landfill or having a burn pile. However you will perhaps be able to keep some knowledge from the experience. It is quicker certainly to just buy and go and it would be a great addition to a rural event but not at too high a price.

And if you need an consultaion about a triangular grid I will pass on all I have learned for free right here or by email. I believe in matching the size of the attraction and it's contents to the market, having it paid for as you go and not undertaking any actual risk and understanding how long materials will last, what storage concerns must be met and so on.

No matter how much money you have to burn even if it is half a million it takes years and years to develop a stable customer base let alone profit. Maybe there are enough horror stories out there to deter the gypsy shows? It sounds like a good idea to pop into a big town but it isn't ever. It sounds like a good idea to be the second attraction somewhere but it really isn't. This is bottom feeding and you only get bottom feeder returns.

The real story wether it is Leonard or not, has proven that with haunted attractions the business style of going into this with big money and partners turns out poorly in all cases. There are now 20 years of haunts that have gone to auction to recover storage fees. It seems there is always a better paying business than a haunt in a high profile location. This is what has happened to the hundreds of family owned amusement parks over the last 100 years. It shouldn't be a shock. It could have turned out differently and everyone would have wildly prospered. The waters have been tested. Somebody had to try all of these schemes I guess but, as in all business a point of reality comes.

Leonard's modern day speech about getting into the haunt business include 5 pages of cautionary life considerations before diving ahead but, of course lots of money would certainly make up for that seems to be the gamble. Scabbing off the larger market should certainly not fail if you have the money. Yet this is what goes on over and over.

Someone needs to pay ME $500 a day. I'll be sitting here waiting.

This is Greg Chrise reporting for Who Gives A Crap Magazine.

Greg Chrise
12-29-2006, 06:48 PM
OSB stands for oriented Strand Board, chips of wood pressed and glued together to a uniform thickness. Like shipping crates from China or roofing.

Particle Board is much finer pulp similar to saw dust as well compacted in glue Like mass produced furniture and cabinets.

The Elm Street units used 3/8 OSB which seems these days impossible to find. You can only find 1/4 inch or 7/16 inch. Plywood such as CDX meaning one side kind of finishes the other not finished and using Exterior grade Glue is the cheap modern replacement for floor underlay or Haunted Houses.

Generally these would be double sided panels that weigh 90 plus pounds each whereas with the CDX it has the strenght to not flex and be one sided panels only weighing about 60 pounds.

Please consult your Chiropractor to see if you are healthy enough to engage in a Haunted Attraction. If you have an erection that lasts longer than 4 hours may be the symptoms of a larger problem.

Jim Warfield
12-29-2006, 07:16 PM
Who needs a chainsaw to chase the customers out of the haunted house if you have the previously mentioned undieing erection?
You will be chasing them out with that!
Remember, when tuned up it should start after one or two pulls, no more than that!

Nightmaretony
12-30-2006, 08:52 AM
I would like to bring out one thing in Leonard's defense which you will ALWAYS know from his lectures which is a good point and one really anyone should be taking to heart.

NEVER take out a house mortgage to build and run a haunt.

NEVER.

A haunt is a business and is risky, like ANY business. Going in with false expectations is a bad thing. Putting in half a million dollars into a show won't guarantee sucess, even if you went top of the line and hired Disney imagineers to design and build it.

Just ask Ron Howard sometime. (that is my own add)








One thing every single one of us has in common in here is that our haunts are a labor of love. The money is needed as a business, but it isnt our primary motivator.

We are all aware of the risks and have made our decisions for our shows based on our networking on Hauntworld, IAHA, HA and everywhere else.

We keep INFORMED. as a group, and I do think that this is something that helps out much more than simply having piles of money or consultants.










(and if you wonder about my own side of things, got smart, did find a cute 7,500 sq foot attraction for under a grand :D. Hardest part has been trying to get partners. Going at it solo is a roughie. Farm was a smart move, mortgage is also under a grand. The use of this haunt and another haunt for the movie project will help garner credentials to help get potential partners. And so another year went by with the longest learned and least active haunter in the world....)

MDKing
12-30-2006, 09:52 AM
Thnks for clearing that up, it was exactly what I thought it was. That(particle board) is pretty lousy wood to use for haunt walls I must agree.

7/16 OSB is now just $5.98 a sheet, dow from more than $15 a year or so ago. Anyone use this for walls out there?

Thanks,
Allan

Raycliff Manor
12-30-2006, 10:09 AM
Allan, We use 3/8" CDX plywood for our walls in the haunt and they've held up great for 3 seasons.

Kel

drfrightner
12-30-2006, 12:24 PM
Allan,

Gregg might be right it might be OSB, but either way NO ONE should use this wood to build their attraction. It splinters easy, it breaks easy and if it gets wet at all it falls apart. But the worst part about this wood is that you can NOT paint it with any detail because no matter how many coats you put on the wood the chips of wood show up badly.

This is the worst wood to build your maze out of period!

Many panels at Screamworks is made from this wood but not all.

Larry

MDKing
12-30-2006, 06:27 PM
So, Larry you recommend plywood only then? I have all my old walls all made with plywood, but I'm going to need a bunch of new ones this year for new scenes.

Allan

drfrightner
12-30-2006, 06:31 PM
Yes NEVER use that kind of wood for ANYTHING...its not for a haunted house. Larry

lurker
12-30-2006, 08:05 PM
I have one room in which I used OSB board. Larry is right about not being able to paint detail on it. The chips show through, but in a low light area where the walls donít need detailed painting it works fine. Also, I wouldnít use it in a dark maze where people would drag their hands over it. It may splinter easy if not coated with several coats of paint. As for it falling apart when it gets wet, I think Larry is thinking of particleboard. That stuff will swell when it gets wet, and fall apart. I literally drenched the OSB board that I use in flame retardant, and it held together fine.
Cheap OSB board is also a good choice for wall panels if you intend to cover the walls with something else as well like carved foam masonry work or monster mud. We built cave walls over OSB board using chicken wire and Monster mud and it worked great. Walls donít need to look good if you canít see them. They just have to be able to support what you put on them.

Allan
I saw that OSB for 5.98 tonight when I was at LOWES. I was pricing lumber for a movie set Iíve been contracted to build, and I noticed that all lumber is at a good price right now. If you need to build walls now is the time to buy. Its winter, and there is housing slow down. Good news for lumber prices. Get it before the spring.

zombierandy
12-30-2006, 11:36 PM
[quote="Nightmaretony"]I would like to bring out one thing in Leonard's defense which you will ALWAYS know from his lectures which is a good point and one really anyone should be taking to heart.

NEVER take out a house mortgage to build and run a haunt.

NEVER.

A haunt is a business and is risky, like ANY business. Going in with false expectations is a bad thing. Putting in half a million dollars into a show won't guarantee sucess, even if you went top of the line and hired Disney imagineers to design and build it.

Just ask Ron Howard sometime. (that is my own add)



Indeed! I worked at Chamber of Chills Haunt that Ron Howard's company backed about 10 years ago. These Haunts where run by Spencer Gifts. Well , they TANKED! I was very dissapointed with the sets and the scares (very lame). I can understand why they never appeared the following season!

Nightmaretony
12-31-2006, 09:15 AM
Hi Zombie, I went through the Chamber of Chills at Universal in Hollywood. Personally, I gave it a 2. Sure, it was 100,000 square feet and aluminum walls with prerun ducting for power and feed lines. Sure, it was spiffy and rooms were decorated ok.

My beef with it was this:

Room: customers enter.
Decorated room to well known movie theme
Playlet begins
actor/actress comes out with storyline
30 seconds later
room lights go out
strobe light turns on
villain type comes out, running alongside customer rail, threatening customer with x implement
customers leave room, go through blank non decorated hallway into next room

Repeat 20 times.



Honestly, this was the first haunt where I experienced BOREDOM.



You want to keep your customers guessing, not go by a rigidly defined script "if it worked great on test for the first room, it will work even better for ALL the rooms!"

The Exorcist room with moving floor was the closest to a change of pace in there...

MDKing
12-31-2006, 10:15 AM
Well, for most of my needs with this wood it will not be needing paint, as I'm getting tons of vacuform panels that will be screwed on the sheets and they will be painted, so that is all people will be seeing.....

Still unwise?

Thanks,
Allan

Jim Warfield
12-31-2006, 03:57 PM
OSB has soaked up as many as 12 coats of latex paint and eventually became a rubberized panel that shed no splinters. Too much work.
You could still see the wood chips.
My peculair method of handling a new piece of wood has me painting all six sides of the board or sheet before anything else happens to it, then after cutting and construction is done, the painted scraps weather much longer if you eventually need them for little angle support pieces or something and if I live to be 150 years old , still running this place but have no money for a new roof and the roof is leaking , these over-painted boards will stil be shedding rain and surviving long enough so I can sell the place to a 135 year-old Larry and retire.
Always planning ahead......

lurker
12-31-2006, 04:27 PM
If you are covering it with vacuform panels, OSB should be fine. If you plan on using the walls for detailed painting in the future, you should invest in regular 3/8 plywood.
Out of curiosity, what kind of vacuform panels are you getting, and from which company?

MDKing
12-31-2006, 07:11 PM
Lurker,

I'm getting the Scenic Service castle wall panels, see them at the link below,

http://www.scenicservice.com/vgallery/

Are you looking for some as well? Provost Display sells some as well, but cost a lot more.

Thanks,
Allan

Greg Chrise
12-31-2006, 07:14 PM
Allan,

The "new" OSB does have exterior glue in it. 1/4 is too flimsy and 7/16 is plentiful and cheap. I think I saw your framing pictures and it doesn't look like a mobile haunt and it IS inside so go for it. My only reservation would be that taking the time to have the CDX and framed insuch a manner that it comes apart means you have made the investment ahead of time to be able to move and save all the materials quickly.

Tearing it down to raw lumber instead of prefabricated walls requires much more labor but stores into about 1/6th the space and hauls in that many fewer trips. It is just a way of operating.

I am hoping you aren't using nails though. Air guns are quick but make it four times more difficult to reclaim anything.

If OSB is not exposed to exterior conditions directly it will still last maybe 10 years or more. Spraying the wall system with stuff like fire retardent before the decor goes on becomes just one more shield against the outside humidity.

I have reclaimed lumber that was once a large wooden interior in a metal building, I got the metal building too, it is laying outside. Generally these get studs from a regular construction are cut to be the 4 foot sections of a wall panel as the ends get screwed up with nailing.

In the bigger picture, if everything you build is all the same stuff it doesn't matter where it goes, thus cutting out more labor and supervision hastles. It has to be idiot proof or you will have to do everything yourself.

Ken Spriggs
12-31-2006, 07:42 PM
Well you CAN use OSB and it will be ok.
We have done it for 7 years now.
Larry is right ( oh my I agree with Larry) they so splinter and if they get wet you might lose a panel or 2. Our place is always up...we usually put other stuff on the walls...It's cheap and we aren't about to go through and replace all our panels just because we were cheap our first year.

If you can paint....you can figure a way to make it look good.
Nothing like a nice flat suface to paint on....but sometimes you do what you have to do.

Jim Warfield
12-31-2006, 08:51 PM
A haunter using some kind of metal wall panels told me they would get torn! I can't see how this much force could be put against a wall ?
He said the splintered wood was much more quickly repaired than ripped metal.
I see the difference in being that it is easier to pull a splinter from a customer's hand than to sew up a gash, a deep gash, a deep, profusely bleeding gash, a profusely, bleeding deep, pulsing, throbbing gash!
"Supper time yet, Mrs. Dracula?"
"Yes, Darling, hand it over."

MDKing
01-01-2007, 10:10 AM
Hey Greg, Ken, everyone, thanks a lot for the feedback, I appreciate it!

Allan

jason
01-01-2007, 11:36 AM
You know really that is a good idea trying to get them to interview and talk about what possibly went wrong. I think that kind of information would be useful. Maybe for the next magazine?

i second that notion. i would like to know why they went broke after their first season.

Mr Nightmarez
01-04-2007, 05:40 AM
I met these guys at Hauntcon last year and talked to them in detail. I felt they were going to lose from the start.
#1 They are not HUGE Haunt Enthusiast. They wanted to make MONEY

#2 They may have dived in hard, fast and consulted wrong... but I tried to warn them.

#3 We all know the risk in this industry - and as much as I like the guys and as nice as they are/were then. I have to look and say "I told you so..."

#4 I have consulted w/ 3 haunts in my years and NONE - I repeat none have ever lost $$$. Every Haunt I have owned, or been a part of have never been in the black or red. (Not tooting my own horn) Stating facts. So YES you can make $$ and YES a Haunt Consultant can benefit your show...

#5 I told Ben and Billy about these guys coming to Atlanta (Actually a few blocks from Netherworld) and they even offered advice and spoke with them during Hauntcon.

#6 Can money be made - Hell Yeah - But you have to know your limitations and goals... and NO it will not happen overnight. I beleive too much was expected and they wanted quick turnaround.

Jim Warfield
01-04-2007, 07:59 AM
I consistantly double my money, I remove it from my wallet, fold it in half and put it in my back pocket. People talk about me behind my back, they are probably admiring my lumpy butt.
"Ones" work just as well as 20's. 100's, I don't know about?

drfrightner
01-04-2007, 10:36 AM
You forgot one...

They hired the one and only consultant who doesn't know how to run a successful haunted house. That should have been #8 I think.

#9 They could have bought a successful attraction already in atlanta called 'Nightmares' for a total of $25,000 or so but I guess their world famous consultant who went to that auction told them 'no it would be better to spend about $200 or so thousand with him to buy four old out of date elm street unit instead'. Could have bought a whole haunt over 30,000 square feet, with some cool props for 25k but no buying four elm street attractions that was the smarter move...NOT. That has to be #9.

#10 Sign: The sign on this place was painted on something like a sheet, once you saw the sign you knew it wasn't going to be good, this could have steered off lots of customers.

#11 Name: Screamworks Atlanta I mean that name isn't scary and on top of it is too long. That is a terrible name. Then to go one further the haunts inside the names of those sound silly: The Slammer ... wow that sound really well you know. I am NOT trying to beat up these guys, like I said they're really nice guys. But they needed their consultant to tell them these things, these guys where honestly novices. All of these things add up to failure and hopefully people reading this stuff can learn from it.

#12 URL: This URL was just way too long the minute you find out screamworks is taken you don't keep the name and through the city name in it that should have given them an omen to change the name or get a scarier URL or shorter.

#13: Location: According to them their location wasn't good. It would help to live in that city and know they area really well before committing that kind of money.

SomeThingInTheIce
01-04-2007, 03:26 PM
Only one person made out on this deal.

Mr Nightmarez
01-05-2007, 09:07 AM
It will be interesting to see...


ANyone going to the auction. I'll probably make the 2 hour drive - just to see Billy and Ben (who I know will be there! ) Like me lurking more so than buying...

:oops:

Jim Warfield
01-05-2007, 05:40 PM
It would also be very interesting to see what their customers thought of their show.
Maybe a local web site advertising haunts had a rateing system like Haunted Illinois and Haunted House Chicago do?
Maybe they just didn't have enough customers because they were a first year enterprise?
Maybe they just weren't showmen? There are some people who can do 99% of it right and still not know how to entertain.
All products and busnesses have to modify, change to attract customers, the terms "Been there, seen that", is the death nell for numerous things caught a decade behind the fads and fashions.
How long can one succe$$ fully beat that same lame horse and have it turn a buck?
Quick! Call the ASPCA!
Have alot of the standard haunting scenes and characters "Jumped The Shark?" (Jim's new phrase he learned just today off the computer!)

PhantomSW
01-25-2007, 06:28 PM
Please let me clear something up here:

Screamworks Atlanta IS NOT ScreamWorks Productions (California)
ScreamWorks is a Great name...We love it (www.screamworks.org), but we never named our (award Winning) haunt after it.

"The Conover Mystery Ranch" sounds much better...

Thanks..