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Mr Nightmarez
04-21-2009, 10:39 AM
I have heard some haunts have gone back to "Touching" or even grabbing in haunts.

Who here does this and let the debate start!?

As for me - we train our actors to stay within the bubble of uncomfortable and occasionally there might be contact but immediately back away if contact is made. I have heard of haunts bringing back the "We will touch You" and they do... grabbing and pushing.

Just wanted to poll - and yes I know there will be some "legal" discussion etc. but I wanted to get a feel for who is doing what!

Plus I wanted to see if anyone was "touching/grabbing" if any legal recourse has happened or if your attraction has seen an increase in traffic because you advertise - "WE WILL TOUCH YOU!"

Thanks!

Haunts of Richmond
04-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Our rule: "No monster will intentionally touch you."


We've always wondered about insurance for haunts that touch. Just seems like the liability would be huge... especially in these ambulance chaser days.

Dr. Giggles
04-21-2009, 11:04 AM
Well, we try not to touch. But sometimes it helps for a scare. We never push nor grab though. As thats just being brutal and very rarely gets a scare in my opinion. I may hold hands with an unaware female, or link arms with someone. But i would never grab nor push. However i do invade personal space so accidental brushes and pushes do happen.
But other then the occasional touch, i think that contact should not be allowed in haunts. I know that a monster shoving me and grabbing me wouldn't scare me, it would irritate me.

Dr. Giggles
04-21-2009, 02:06 PM
I agree, little is ok, but violent ones, i.e. grabbing and pushing. Not so much. I enjoy shadowing people who are the back of te group, and just lightly tapping them on the shoulder. They will turn around and i will be gone. Either in a shadow, around the corner, or over the wall. (I do par kour). Freaks people out when they know someone is in the vicinity, and could come into contact with them when they cant see them, usually only two taps on the shoulder suffice to get the person running.

Badger
04-21-2009, 02:56 PM
No touching under any circumstances (unless it is unavoidable, like they run into you). That will get you fired from our haunt rather quick.

It's easy to grab and scream for a scare. Learn how to scare without touching. that's a bit more difficult...

Jolly Pumpkin
04-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy being touched at a haunt. It makes the haunt that more intense. But sometimes it can be taken a little too far. I've been to about 5 haunts where touching was permitted and for the most part, the actors didn't take it too far. While there was a haunt where the actors would bite, grab your shoulders and turn you around, and even hold onto your legs. It was intense, but over stepping the boundaries of people's personal space. Either way I enjoy it when a haunt incorporates touching in their haunt, but that's just me.

OdetteDespairr
04-21-2009, 03:52 PM
No touching in our haunt. It leads to dangerous situations. Plus alot can happen by accident to your patrons or to your actors. To me its an unnessacary risk. Your actors should be able to scare the crap out of someone inches from thir face with out having to lay a hand on them.

OdetteDespairr

Allen H
04-21-2009, 06:13 PM
Touching is a hot topic, No one at my shows is allowed to do it. Does it happen, sure.
One or two actors will weasel their way into the group by tapping someone on the shoulder and going around the other side when they turn to see.
In the midway its common for an actor to fall in with a couple and place their hand out as they woman (or man) goes to hold hands with their other for a quick freak out.
Brushing against someone in a tight spot while on your way to your next spot.
One of our actors takes advantage of the wording of our rules "The actors cannot touch you unless you touch them first, their touch may come in a very dark area where we forgot to put cameras" He is a Line actor and will walk up to a group introduce himself and stick out his hand for a hand shake, when they grab it, they realize their mistake "he says see you inside" and scurries off. It gets a good reaction and has never gone sour.

It happens in the line of duty but it is not taught and is not condoned, the above situations I understand fully.
Allen H

xxxdirk
04-21-2009, 06:29 PM
When we visited the haunt in Columbia, at St Louis, they had some controlled touching and thought it was done VERY well. A grab of an ankle here and there, a brush of the hair etc. I really enjoyed it and thought it would freak out a lot of people.

BruiseMuse
04-21-2009, 07:21 PM
I've worked at several haunts that allowed touching. It was always something that only the older, more experienced actors were permitted to do. Grabbing was not allowed, but we did do brushing of the hair, tapping on the shoulders, taking their hands, etc. The big guideline was that touching could occur from the shoulders up and from the knee down (to avoid the "grope zone").

N2SPOOKINU
04-21-2009, 07:35 PM
We do not allow touching at Fearfest in Columbia Missouri. Our competitor Necropolis does touch their customers. It gives the people of Columbia the option to be touched or not to be touched depending on which haunt they visit. I will say if I see or hear about one of my crew touching any of my customers they are warned once and that is their ONLY warning. Termination will follow. We dont feel you need to touch someone to scare them and thats the way it is at our haunt.
Greg
Fearfest

Brandon_K
04-21-2009, 07:58 PM
Heh, no way no how. Arms length at all times.

Maybe it's our area, I'm not sure but we get a fair number of drunk customers and at least a half dozen times per season and actor gets swung at. Sometimes they connect, sometimes they don't. If a group is stupid drunk, we escort them out. If they're obviously intoxicated but not being rowdy, a security member will follow them from a distance.

Kevin Dells
04-21-2009, 08:15 PM
Prop touching is allowed, i carry a short childs sized hockeystick that i have layered many layers of papertowels and then dried gobs of latex over for the ripped flesh look, it's been nicely distressed over the years.

During make up session we have a community water bucket for that quick rinse of blood covered hands, before i head to the spot for the night i dip that latex blob in the watered down blood.



Living in N.C., October is nice and warm,LOTS of sandals on our patrons i just drag my little buddy across the top of their feet for good quality screams! With the shorter length hockey stick it is very easily worked inbetween groups of people so you can hide behind one group and get the people in front of them.

Now their being touched, but not really being touched, their being touched by something clammy and wet but non staining as the blood is watered down quite well.

I feel all out grabbing is asking your audience to kick your actors ass, your grabbing them and they will return the favor 10 fold and then claim the actor hit them first.

The no touch policy gives them NO rights for hitting actors. You hit my people, your gone thanks for the contribution!

If your actors aren't talented enough to scare without grabbing somebody physically, then their not very good actors!! Touching with Props or sweeping of hair or blowing in their ears all part of every haunts tricks, totally allowed.

Tell your crews to build props with flesh hanging off them, they really work well !!

Give them a shaker can of beans, they can eat the beans and make very scary noises!

Badger
04-21-2009, 08:44 PM
Kevin, where in NC?

Mr Nightmarez
04-22-2009, 06:44 AM
I appreciate all the responses. We visit haunts during the conventions and it's great to see everyone's haunt and styles. Some touch or even grab. As stated above the shoulders and below the knee.
For any of the haunts that touch - have you had any issues or lawsuits etc? And insurance concerns?

Great stuff, thanks to all that has responded.

damon carson
04-22-2009, 10:44 AM
I feel that touching isnt neccessary. And anyone that does is setting themselves up for trouble. You dont have to touch to scare anyone. To startle or surprise someone is much more effective. That takes a talent. If your resorting to old jaycee tactics of touching your haunt is in need or major improvements on the scary end. And not to mention they are really desperate if they must resort to this.
Damon

jasonswoods14
04-22-2009, 04:27 PM
Well, I'm doing a hayride this Halloween, and we think it is ok to brush up against them. Maybe lightly take hold of someone's arm or leg but never hard grabbing or pushing.

maliciousstudios
04-24-2009, 03:18 AM
Back when I worked in a few haunts I didnt have to worry about touching the patrons, I had to worry about the patrons touching me !! I was always getting felt up...lol... and so were other actors, chicks would get us in dark areas and they would litterally rape us...LMFAO... not that I am complaining ( Unless of course it a nasty 500 lb hag ) BLAH.... I can remember one woman litterally pushing me into a dark corner - shoving her hand down my pants and grabbing me.... ( WOW ) I didnt expect that !! ( Im sure other people have had the similar experiences with crazy drunken women in the haunt lol ) I personally dont have a problem with a ( LITTLE TOUCHING ) but I dont agree with brutal touching AND - yes I do agree touching is a very sensitive subject !! On either side of the line. LMFAO

Mr Nightmarez
04-24-2009, 08:18 AM
Back when I worked in a few haunts I didnt have to worry about touching the patrons, I had to worry about the patrons touching me !! I was always getting felt up...lol... and so were other actors, chicks would get us in dark areas and they would litterally rape us...LMFAO... not that I am complaining ( Unless of course it a nasty 500 lb hag ) BLAH.... I can remember one woman litterally pushing me into a dark corner - shoving her hand down my pants and grabbing me.... ( WOW ) I didnt expect that !! ( Im sure other people have had the similar experiences with crazy drunken women in the haunt lol ) I personally dont have a problem with a ( LITTLE TOUCHING ) but I dont agree with brutal touching AND - yes I do agree touching is a very sensitive subject !! On either side of the line. LMFAO


LMFAO - I guess I should have been more clear! Yes we do get touched and some of those lap dances and rubs are nice - other times - just pain gross or creepy... lol
We explain that if you touch our monsters they will touch you and sometimes this does go beyond where it was suppose to go - (We were referring to being tossed out) but some inebriated people don't comprehend as well as we would want them to!

BTW: Looking forward to my masks from you guys! And *shameless plug* Malicious Studios has some great stuff and I can't wait to get mine!

Jim Warfield
04-25-2009, 01:14 AM
I believe when that woman put you against the wall then put her hand down your pants that this should have resulted in an "Up-Charge" for her, more financial compensation coming your way.( Even if it wasn't up!)(yet.)
This might be an up-charge that is even new to Larry!
I would worry about her "touch", you don't know what she was doing before with that hand!
She could have just been eating red hot peppers bare-handed!
You could have then discovered Johnny Cash's "Burning Ring Of FIRE!", that he sang about falling into.
Not a Fireman? Then why the firehose?

Kelly Anderson
05-20-2009, 07:40 PM
The touching or no touching is always talked about at our haunt. We always stress to get as close as you can during a scare if its nessissary. But never touch! We realize that some times characters bump into our guests in the dark, but what do ya do? We make very clear to our guests that if you dont touch our characters or our stuff, they wont be touched.

To take it a step further, we dont allow chasing our guests. Our building we use for our haunt was once an infirmary for the Wisconsin State Child Center. It has 3 levels. We usually use all three floors. We will not allow the risk of someone falling down a stairway. We dont allow any scares on stairways, period.

Several years back we had a case where a girl came running out the exit and ran right into some of that orange plastic temperary fencing, fipping over and broke her jaw. The girl claimed that a mummy was chasing her. Our mummys feet were bound together and could hardly walk yet alone run.

The liability involved with allowing touching and running is too great. If you have good actors, a scare can be accomplished other ways.

Kelly Anderson
HauntYourHouse.NET

The Mad Hatter
05-30-2009, 02:50 AM
I believe that it can be dangerous when actors touch. I can't complain about the haunt I went to in St Louis that allowed actors to touch. Some fine ass blond chick was all over me even following me through the haunt. "Pretty boy"-Girl Ha ha ... I got some shits and giggles from that Fine ass girl......although it was a turn off when guy actor said -"squeal like a pig". If that blond chick said it, it would be ok. I'm into that kinky stuff......Of course I have to be into kinky stuff to be into this industry, aren't we all!

-Frank Balzer

graystone
05-30-2009, 01:27 PM
NO!!!!!!!! And as far as the other side of the fence goes you sure as heck better not touch my guys either! Shane and its if you do your azz is out! Shane this time!

mindtumor
05-30-2009, 01:43 PM
I am not trying to sound stupid or be funny, but I have had several women ask me to touch them when they go through. I never do but I have always found it odd that people would ask that.

hauntedhousenut
05-30-2009, 02:23 PM
I am not trying to sound stupid or be funny, but I have had several women ask me to touch them when they go through. I never do but I have always found it odd that people would ask that.

You should charge extra for your private show!

"The Gun Show"

Mr Nightmarez
06-03-2009, 06:03 AM
I am not trying to sound stupid or be funny, but I have had several women ask me to touch them when they go through. I never do but I have always found it odd that people would ask that.

We have this happen a lot w/ our que line actors and we have had 'monster sandwiches' for photo ops etc. I guess depending on the area... like the que line is more exposed and many witnesses where as a dark room can lead to serious litigation. And we have people grope and touch our crew all the time... it's gonna happen especially when your 260 feet below ground and a 4-6 foot path and 6 ft tall ceilings... And it's hard to have security close at hand when there's only 1 way in and out...

We train our actors to expect it and if it happens and they want to file charges - they follow them out and we have a meeting w/ our policeman on duty and the guest along w/ our security and actor. I really miss having a building and crash doors!

Jim Warfield
06-16-2009, 09:52 AM
"Maintain at least an arm's length distance between the customer and your body/face at all times to keep from getting PUNCHED! (Or kicked, kneed! Elbowed)
..and if the customer advances with a measure of "intent", be ready to retreat to maintain that predescribed distance.
Just like the statement that you should be able to scare/entertain the customer without touching them, you should also be able to do the job without chasing them or being close enough to smell their breath (unless they have a mouthfull of rotten teeth or garlic)
The "Mind" is where it should all be taking place. I have "No Running" posted all over my place, even though in October some teenagers will always want to run.
If they run, they miss the detail, then later say the place wasn't worth it or other such desparaging remarks.
All they remember is that they were at a "track meet".

NateTheGreat
06-24-2009, 01:55 PM
Yeah that's a good point. Safety of your actors is important and touching could jeopardize that. Touching in a haunt just seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

~Natethegreat
www.Fearoverload.com

hauntedghost
06-28-2009, 06:43 AM
it's sad to say that i have had that happen to me where girls asked me to touch them but i didn't and guys would ask too but thats just weird.. I do feel that if you get touched then its fair game to me. but all the times i have worked at the haunt for over 9 years the boss there said no touching and i was fine with that. The only times i EVER touch some one was when they were drunk or being a a$$hole. I would have to kick them out for that.

monsterwax
09-23-2009, 11:49 PM
There is no personal touching, but we sometimes use props to reach out from above and pull off hats and such. This is aimed at men and caps, not women and erotic zones.

Gman035t
09-24-2009, 04:30 PM
I believe touching is completely necessary for an intense haunt. Dead Acres Haunted Hoochie does it, and I loved it.

Jim Warfield
09-27-2009, 02:23 PM
Touching might be effective because all physical torture begins with a touch.
What may come next is always where the worriment lives.
Of course the brain is where most scary things transpire and will also cause the most memorable incidents whether they were real or imagined.
Case-in-point, hypnotism.

scattered screams
09-27-2009, 07:36 PM
I understand no touching!! What about a clean mouth I hate it when a actor gets in your face and screams yell whatever, and Wow (you need a tic tac)

I just hate it they smell like an ashtray, or just yuk mouth.

badass
09-28-2009, 01:01 PM
sometimes i even touch myself....




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Jim Warfield
09-29-2009, 07:55 AM
Practice touching yourself so you can get better at it for when you will be touching others?
Better not.

Terrorknight
10-26-2009, 06:29 AM
I think if you need to touch someone to be scare, your not being scary. We never let our actors touch people at all, no bottom of there legs or tapping there shoulders or even the scary fingers in the hair. Half of our actors jump out at people and the other half you can see coming and trust me we have no problem scaring the shit out of the people that come thru.

freak 'n' stein
04-04-2010, 11:14 PM
We don't allow touching. Last week at Necropolis was the first time I've ever been to a haunt that made it a point to let us know as customers that we WILL be touched. I wasn't sure it was a good idea at first, but it was done in a rather tasteful way...if that makes sense. They stuck to the "above the shoulders, below the knees" rule. One girl was rubbing my head which was a little odd, but for the most part it was just people in your face and grabbing your legs. Like I said, we don't do it and never will, but if it's done right I guess it can be effective. Actor safety and customer lawsuits is what we're trying to avoid.

jakprintsHAUNT
04-05-2010, 04:28 AM
My opinion on this is that as long as it is done tastefully and by a seasoned actor, there is no problem with it. Grabbing or shoving is definitely a no no as that can always become an issue of safety concern. A shoulder tap, hair brush, or similar touching as Katie said staying out of the "danger grope zone" should not be any issue...all about common sense by the actor. I also feel the idea of having cameras through your haunt for protection are a great idea, like Fearfest did...then if you get a claim by a customer...review the tape...and if something inappropriate did occur, you have grounds to discipline the actor, and if not, its your ammo against a bogus claim.

Someone also had a comment about actors with bad breath...that they need a tic tac or something...Monsters should not have minty breath! Same reason monsters should not have white sneakers! It ruins the atmosphere, and adds too much human element to the character that gives the customer a false sense of security. Anything that can put the "normal human" element back into the actor will work against your favor in even the subconscious thoughts of the patron. You want them afraid and a bit uncomfortable to a degree. In this same respect I agree they shouldnt smell of cigarette after a break or something like that for the same reason...unless it went with the character. Most people know that it is all fake, but the less comfort zones you forcefully provide, the more questions it leaves in their brains, and the more on edge they will be.

Thats just my opinion.


Mike "Pogo" Hach

wickedfarmer
04-05-2010, 08:36 AM
'... Do not touch actors or you will be removed. Sppoks will not grab you but understand masks are hard to see out of and might bump into you. You might be touched with a large pair of fake hands. (monster comes out of pit and lunges hands towards feet) I MYSELF will do the tap on shoulder when following a group through corn WHEN GUYS know I am behind them to slip around them up to their girlfriend. Many times have had a girl reach back to take hand of her male friend and end up with my bone gloved hand and scream like Death himself just touched them.

Jim Warfield
04-06-2010, 03:18 AM
"Well, maybe? I can't speak for the people you came here with, you know, the people in your group? They might touch you?"
This gets them all looking at each other..checking out the possibilitys....expands to the entertainment parameters..with no cost to me!

cheeseboy33
04-06-2010, 11:48 PM
"Well, maybe? I can't speak for the people you came here with, you know, the people in your group? They might touch you?"
This gets them all looking at each other..checking out the possibilitys....expands to the entertainment parameters..with no cost to me!


That is a really amazing idea. So simple but very very effective. Because then they no longer trust eachother the whole time they are in your haunt.

annarchy
04-10-2010, 01:37 PM
It's only going to take a couple "idiots" that take the touching too far and the media is going to run with it. These are topics that HHA should address and begin forming some type of {industry guidelines} for the well being of all haunted attractions and protection of the industries reputation.

rip-saw
04-13-2010, 10:10 PM
We have touched clients but only in a manner by putting hands on their shoulder or touching their hands that they have on the side of the wagon...we only do this with a few older veteran actors we would not and will not let a younger actors do this because of liabilities. Our veterans only do this to those who appear to be tolerant of this ,not touching big burley guys that may knock your block off or a female that may climb over another custumer or fall off the wagon and injuring themselves....but that is my take , I actually get onto the wagon get the crowd seperated and may sit down next to someone which inturn may have incidental contact...it comes with the deal alot of people love it and some don't but it can put on a good show.....rip

tonguesandwich
04-14-2010, 02:28 AM
No intentional touching. An extreme thought... I did a short term as a cop and rape was the unauthorized touching.... you can see where that can lead. Penetration is not necessary and even though this may seem as an extreme example you would be amazed at the claims. So you may want to consider state laws and whats happens when you allow touching and your actor misses the target and touches the wrong spot. Just a thought.
Grabbing a minor accidentally in the wrong spot....yikes!
I guess I would say whats it worth? Extreme -Jail time or probable lawsuit? Does it make your haunt that much better?

How about projectiles? I liked the Darkness this year even though we were told not to go because a friend of ours was sprayed in the eye with a water bottle at close range. Her eye was pretty red the next day. We thought it was a fluke and went anyway. Low and behold The same thing happened to my wife who has sensitive eyes from surgery.... if she hadn't recovered as much as she did she would had definitely been in the hospital. She cried a little and complained to the walkie talkie attendant and he said it was just water. Water from a inch to the eye out a spray bottle isn't fun!
I was in front of her so I missed it....good thing.
Her eye was pretty red the next day. No harm but it definitely ruined the haunt for her. All that money on a haunt that most dream of ruined with a dollar spray bottle. I doubt she would go back.

So whats touching worth?

Jim Warfield
04-14-2010, 07:26 AM
Know who your employees are.
In Illinois you now have to have criminal backround checks on all owners and employees..except if you have a charity haunt...? (So where will all them haunt perverts end up now?)
Coming up with some spur of the moment hired help will now be legally impossible, which may create situations where unruly customers have more accidental freedom to mess with the other customers if you come up short of help.....
In a perfect world.......
I guess a lights on, "museum" tour with surveilence cameras on could solve all of these potential problems.
People still want to be entertained for their money.
I spend alot of time personally entertaining them in the first room, of course I love doing this.
In a perfect world.

thecursedone
04-25-2010, 11:02 AM
Touching is un-needed.

Our Haunt has been running for 22 years now. We do alright considering the population and the fact that we are really low tech compared to most nowa days.

But back on topic. Touching is un-needed for a few differn't reasons.

First, it's a huge liability. Whats to say an actor doesn't get carried away and grab someone too hard or push someone just hard enough to twist the customers ankle.

Second, If you can avoid it...it's always a good idea to keep some distance between your actor and thte customer. After all your customers are coming to your haunt to get scared. People do drastic things when they get scared enough. Some will try to flee at all cost, others will be very combative. And we dont want anyone to get hurt.

Now there are some cases where touching could be helpfull...Like to offer a helpfull hand should someone have fallin...or to help guide someone through a area that they are having problems in. But this should be left up to the choice of the customer