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drfrightner
04-29-2009, 11:03 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-bizuniversal-halloween-horror-0042909apr29,0,6437607.story

This is big news read this!

Larry

Jonathan
04-29-2009, 11:15 AM
Wow. That is a big read.

MMManiac
04-29-2009, 11:26 AM
wow hope that man has good lawyers and lots of money!

stafford
04-29-2009, 11:32 AM
Those guys were at IAAPA one year I believe, there's another thread I posted this morning here:

http://www.hauntworld.com/haunted%5Fhouse%5Fforums/showthread.php?t=8390

Chris

drfrightner
04-29-2009, 11:39 AM
Chris,

Sorry I didn't see your post. I got an email about this and just posted it up here... I think those guys are the Rays, but I'm not sure. A few years ago they licensed those icons from New Line, took a booth from IAAPA and tried to sell them off as haunted houses. I don't think they sold any because in my opinion they were asking way too much money.

I am guessing here but I think they lost their licenese and Universal did a haunt like they always do in Orlando with icon movie monsters and now these guys are trying to sue.

This will be a very expensive lawsuits because Universal has their own inhouse lawfirms, so they can just fight it for 10 years if they want to.

So we'll see what happens!

Larry

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Dr. Giggles
04-29-2009, 03:53 PM
Uh oh! They better be prepared. Universal is going to have some big lawyers on their side.

chuck weber
04-29-2009, 04:38 PM
why not come up with their own original ideas like Netherworld does every year. new characters, new icons, monsters you'll want to forget because of the nightmares. no original ideas anymore. no imagination, that's what's wrong with alot of these places..... introduce your patrons to new creepier scary creatures they won't soon forget.... If it's good, people will never forget it. (like the urban legend haunted house that never exsisted years ago)- 13th floor or something- so scary- if you make it to the 13th floor you get your money back- people are still looking for it and talking about it ! it's a legend !!!! I heard about this place 15 years ago, and couldn't find it... and still can't..... It was an original idea.... talked about nationwide !!!! now, put on your thinking caps and come up with something new and original and kick ass over the top scary.... you dont need the stuff your being sued over. put your money towards hiring talented haunt people to come up with new ideas instead of paying lawyers.

shawnc
04-29-2009, 05:17 PM
Am I reading this right? They came up with the idea of using three characters, who are well known and not their own, and think they have a case? I am assuming Universal owns the characters or has rights to them, and this other company doesn't. The characters have been around for 25 years. This will get thrown out of court before it goes very far.

tchaunt
04-29-2009, 05:33 PM
This seems to be a big case at first--since it involves Universal--but I doubt the smaller company will win, let alone get anything out of this. It's America, the entire place is ran using playground politics. The large company almost always wins.

Haunter3
04-30-2009, 03:19 AM
Interesting read, I'm eager to find out how its going to turn out

Ken Spriggs
04-30-2009, 02:48 PM
I don't know about the rest of you.........BUT

I would think that they had signed contracts to use the Jason, Freddy, Leatherface characters when they tried to sell the haunted houses a few years ago.
If they did, the rights would surely be violated....right?
UNLESS they didn't have the rights and Universal got them first.

But now here is where none of us should be lawyers...if someone is, please correct my view if I am wrong.

IF someone sat down with executives at Universal and pitched the idea
THEN
Universal goes and does it themselves..........YOU COULD SUE THE HELL OUT OF THEM
All they need is documented proof of the meetings and the discussions.
Right?

kpolley
04-30-2009, 07:47 PM
It seems that way to me too, Ken. But, I'm not a lawyer.

Nightgore
04-30-2009, 08:38 PM
If that's the case then Cedar Point can sue Six Flags for building Kinga Ka (same ride as Top Thrill Dragster, but built later)... the idea/design of the ride was meant for Cedar Point.

I don't think it's illegal to steal an idea if it's not been copyrighted or anything of the sorts. Also, unless ICC had EXCLUSIVE rights to the character (which I'm sure they didn't) then Newline Cinema can sell out as many licenses as they see fit!

Now, if the idea of using movie characters is copyrighted (doubt it) by ICC... then they could, realisticly, go after SEVERAL haunts... not just Universal! ;) -Tyler

robert
05-01-2009, 02:21 AM
Who were the guys offering this same package at the Chicago TW a few years ago?

Ken Spriggs
05-01-2009, 08:24 AM
Tyler I kind of jumbled what I was saying

You are right somewhat

IF a said person owns a property.....and another uses it to make money.......lawsuit
IF a said person brings a concept to the table.....and the idea is stolen and used.....lawsuit
IF a said person just has an idea....and someone beats you to it.....TOO BAD

I wish I knew more of the story....or at least what Icwhatever really owned or didn't own

See I have had enough dealings with lawyers over the past few months to make anyone sick.
I have learned A TON of stuff between the FBI and the Prosecuters and the DA...oh my can they make your head spin.

The main thing?......its all how you say something.....that matters!!!!!
I don't recall works for me really well!!!!!

Nightgore
05-01-2009, 08:57 AM
I'd agree with that... I mean, Universal can argue that haunts across the country have used these same movie characters in their haunts! Now, as long as these haunts didn't market the characters as being in the haunt, there wouldn't be any problem.

I mean, if New Line Cinema had costumes/masks/etc. made for the characters, did they NOT expect for haunts to use them? I don't think so... now, it could be that in the future these items start coming with warnings and disclaimers like... "NOT FOR HAUNT/ATTRACTION USE"

I really don't think ICC has a case here, their idea was NOT original... nor creative!

I think, case closed and goes to Universal! -Tyler

MeyerPointManor
05-01-2009, 09:12 AM
Based on what i know about this lawsuit they do not have a case. If that group of people went to Universal and proposed something very vague such as the idea to use three of the most popular horror movie characters in an upcoming Halloween Horror Nights event then they shouldn't win anything.
On the other hand, if the group of people proposed original content, such as actual blue prints and original character ideas and then later on Universal used them without permission, then they should win.
Just my thoughts
-Meyer Point Manor