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Rich Hanf
01-16-2007, 03:24 PM
Greetings boyz and ghouls...it's Tundra Update Time. The good news is quick and easy. Spoke to old fiend Tony Timpone...editor of Fangoria Magazine today and he has agreed to provide plenty of horror genre material for the goody bags.

The other news is I found out just yesterday that Crazy Bob Turner has decided to do a Thursday night event Social. It will be competing with Frozen Tundra so I wonder how this will work out.

More Tundra Updates to follow

Jim Warfield
01-16-2007, 06:21 PM
For some reason I got the impression early on that Bob was the one organizing the Tundra Tour?
He called me one night several months ago and we talked a long time about the possibility of him bringing bus or buses to see The Ravens Grin.
He told me that he arranges numerous bus tours for various events throughout the year.......???
I know. When you assume, you make an Azs out of "U" and "Me".
Just wondering?
As an extra added fearful thought: I was told there is no place on this planet that you can be that out does Mount Carroll, Illinois, we are surrounded by nuclear plants more densely than anywhere else!
See all my new toes! Growing from my nose!

Greg Chrise
01-16-2007, 06:35 PM
The other day some one said "we love jesus" and my mind automatically put the word A$$ in the conversation for me. It's all that secret agent code training or something?

It is so great you are trying to make sure no one gets burned by competing events.

drfrightner
01-16-2007, 07:47 PM
Rich,

The reality is the social he did grew more and more popular because no one had anything to do prior to the show opening that Thursday night and it was FREE. The numbers for that thing have slipped and slipped because less and less people are coming to the show that early now.

See most of those people who went to that came in early because of the seminars TW did, and since last year they didn't do them his social dropped off the face of the planet.

Now TW has the seminars ongoing with the show itself I doubt anyone is coming in that early again this year. The attendance was very low last year and this year I'm sure it would be even lower even if it was still FREE!

Now that I hear you have to pay $100.00 I can't imagine ANYONE paying... and I mean ANYONE.

I wouldn't worry Rich about this even competing with Frozen Tundra, if Pickel and we're talking Pickel only charges $35.00 for all his Hauntcon Seminars who would pay $100 to hear Bob talk...c'mon now. LOL

Larry

Jim Warfield
01-16-2007, 11:04 PM
A little known fact is that several years ago only one person signed up to hear Mr. Tuxedo , Spookhouse Cat "Talk", after the guy paid the $100.oo, Mr. Tuxedo whispered the winning Lotto numbers to him, he played them and walked off with 35 million dollars.
You just never know?

Rich Hanf
01-17-2007, 06:36 AM
Just to clear a few things up...Bob is in no way associated with Tundra. Jim...don't know the nature of your conversation with Bob nor am I privy to what he's done in the past. Just know that he is not part of this event.

Next, nobody at Tundra looks at Bobs event as competition. Couldn't be. Bobs doomed event (just my opinion) takes place in the evening on Thursday. You could easily get into Chicago on Thursday and still make it. Tundra starts at the ungodly hour of 8am so if you are doing Tundra you are definitely commited to doing it and must arrive Wed which of course means extra time lost at work and money spent for food, hotels etc. Big difference. Obviously people are willing to make this commitment and I would guess that it's because they have lined up one hell of a tour. There is gonna be a lot of hard core haunters with real life practical experience learned by actually doing haunting on thoses buses. Even the most experienced haunters will walk away having learned a trick or two.

Lastly...Larry, you are correct-a-mundo. As seminars numbers fell off so did the numbers of the crazy Bob social...it makes sense of course. Nobody was coming to Chicago to do that. I agree with you. I also agree that if people are hesitant to spend $35 to see the Pickel (and I don't know that they are) they will never spend $100 to see Bob. In addition, there are those that question whether or not Bob even knows what the heck he's doing. Although he has been around for a while, we have all heard the stories. He is the first one to tell you about his numbers...he closed down his mini golf course, closed down his Renaissance Faire, and came up with the crazy (there's that name again) idea of doing a spooky trail by giving his customers golf carts so they could run over his actors. Can you say ouch...or lawsuit?

I think he should just abandon this whole thing. He can either do the Tundra Tour with everyone else or go back to doing the social for free like everyone expects. As I see it those are his only two options.

Ken Spriggs
01-17-2007, 10:58 AM
Maybe we will be busy on Saturday too???

$15 for a haunt and a ride on a bus....

Dream Reapers

Jim Warfield
01-17-2007, 11:16 AM
The whole tour bus thing ..well, the Ravens Grin does not really lend itself to doing such a tour well or very efficiently, such is not the nature of this beast.
Even when we had buses and had half the bus load eat while the other half saw the tour, it was still a rushed experience. That is not really what this tour is the majority of the time.

drfrightner
01-17-2007, 12:39 PM
Rich,

I think you're dead on the money...no one is going to this social even if it was free at this point. Let me make one thing clear, its nothing person, its not a cheap shot against Bob, its just a fact.

Everyone is going to Frozen Tundra, anyone coming in that early that is. Even if people got back in time to make his social they'd be worn out from the trip. The seminars are no longer bringing people in on this night to support Bob's social. What I can't figure out is why does he now charge for this thing in the first place?

Does anyone know why he's charging money?

Larry

Greg Chrise
01-17-2007, 04:30 PM
There still might be hope for Bob's event. The Tundra tour sounds great. I would compare it to what happened at HauntCon in Dallas as far as serving a need.

Being from Texas, I already had many tours of Rippley's Haunted Adventure and Night Mare on Grayson in San Antonio so I did not go on this bus Tour to save more than two hundred bucks. It included staying in a San Antonio Hotel over night. Of course with the river walk San Antonio is sort of a good destination spot. Also being from the area I caught up with everyone Friday night at the haunt dinner and didn't check into a hotel until late Saturday night. Being able to commute and having to coodinate which of my people would be to this or that event. Some went to the haunt tours and did not have an intrest in the show floor believe it or not.

As far as cost is concerned, I would imagine his event includes a band, an open bar and some buffet and with an intimate number of people the room costs money. Several years ago in Chicago Leonard's Costume Party cost $75 to get in for probably similar festivities. They added things like photo ops and sponsors gave away some products the most expensive worth supposedly $600. No one went to this party to hear Leonard and I'm sure no one is going to hear Bob for hours. It is a dinner party.

I haven't been to Bob's party but I would imagine he has at least some traditional number of people that would not miss his event just because it is their tradition. I'm sure it has migrated from being out in the Crowne open area to a banquet room replacing Leonard's event.

I haven't seen it actually advertised so I guess we aren't; on the list of dignataries that traditionally go to Bob's event.

By Saturday night at the Dallas event so many people had arrived around their work schedules and pre registered that there were 7 busses and about 100 cars pulled into Verun Manor even though I'm sure even the locals had been there 30 times it was the place to be.

In my case I couldn't just take time off of work I had to accelerate completing a large hotel Casino swimming pool in Oaklahoma and meet or exceed their deadline and still had to get the crew home for the weekend to be able to take even a day off. The less stressful events were a necessity.

And the seminars for $35 were not "the Pickel" there was several days of 3 rooms of some topic every hour for an hour and no way to see it all and the show floor. I think Leonard made only one 15 minute welcome speech every day. To my rating the best seminar for me was the Bad Boys styrofoam demo. Yes, they are the hardest working guys in the haunt business.

Additionally rooms that were normally $149 minimum were reduced to $89 for people attending the conference and daily there was a continental breakfast in the hall before things got started. We don't see Transworld attempting to really care for their guests like this.

Someone completely objective could go to all of these events and see what sucks and what does not.

The smaller venues like HauntCon and Haunt X are in hotels that have good accoustics and carpeted floors. Not really any more limited for space. The big convention center in Chicago is big but bare floors and of course we have this season of weather. It is kind of an old style display style tradeshow floor like how it was in the late 60's. All these newer venues really class up an event and things like HautCon move around to take advantage of that.

Transworld only has the location thing, so many haunts are up North and perhaps this is located sideways? And how long does it take to see the Scare factory display? Really.

All I'm saying is some (maybe older?) haunters need a little hospitality to feel good upon arriving and maybe Bob is filling just such a need? Not really a competition, a different need.

I love the Bad Boys (not like that) and hope their event is a blast too! I hope they can build to 7 busses! Rich has a lot more screaming to do.

Greg Chrise
01-17-2007, 05:31 PM
OMG! Maybe Leonard is secretly telling Bob what to do?

Jim Warfield
01-17-2007, 05:41 PM
..and folllowing the chains of command, Jeanee tells Leonard what to do.
Not exactly an earth-shattering revelation though. hahahaha!

Greg Chrise
01-17-2007, 05:44 PM
And they upcharged the event $25 and split $12.50 each to their respective fortunes. Or maybe it's a 40/60 split?

It's all evil I tell ya!

Matt Marich
01-17-2007, 07:47 PM
Frozen Tundra is going to be impossible for Vendors like us, Damn-it! But I always enjoy Dream Reapers, this year we are going to walk through *backwards just for an extra thrill. ( Ken and JT will have to sign off on this legally speaking) We also are still hoping to see Raven's Grin, so little time, so much to do!

*-The reverse backwards scare forward.

Jim Warfield
01-17-2007, 09:38 PM
Scare the forwards, disrupt their shooting, stand on the center's foot, get the rebound.

Ken Spriggs
01-18-2007, 08:00 AM
Matt we are up for almost anything........BUT PLEASE DON'T COME DRUNK
Haunters are worse than the regular customers in this aspect....the customers are still afraid when you send someone in costume after them......Haunters just start swinging, last time I was on the receiving end.

Anyways we are open again for some abuse (just don't swing at ME...I swing back)

Dream Reapers Open Feb 23 and 24
Buses will be running from the convention center starting at 630pm
If you want info while at the show...stop by Sinister Scents upstairs
Ticket price with a TW badge...$10 only and the ride over and back $5

BEHIND THE SCENES TOUR
This is still being worked out. Having a booth all day, the haunt all night...makes for a tired bunch of people. We will try to still have this
We are working with the folks who bought the property we are on.....they have a bar concession stand and MORE ROOM than we do around the corner from us, so people can wait there while we are waiting for the behind the scenes tour.

Speculo
01-18-2007, 08:17 AM
$10?

You should charge more, It least your normal rate...

IMO

Thanks!

Ben
NETHERWORLD

Jim Warfield
01-18-2007, 08:20 AM
A "drunken" farmer once walked into the Ford dealer on a Sat. night and after the deal was done for the new car the farmer was suddenly very sober and told the Ford dealer that he was just pretending to be drunk to see if he was going to take advantage of a drunk on the car deal!
Alittle booze across the lips for the aroma and "Who can I punch now?"
Makes me wonder sometimes? Really drunk? How drunk? "HHHMMM?"

Ken Spriggs
01-18-2007, 08:23 AM
Yes I can agree BUT we want as many people to come as possible.
We don't do it for the $$
We actually use it to cover the weekends expenses with the show...hotels...and all the other stuff
It costs alot to turn on the lights in February but you are our fellow haunters......it is the least we can do.

Ben Please give me a jingle this weekend

Jim Warfield
01-18-2007, 08:27 AM
Expenses in Feb.! I have three firnaces in the Ravens Grin, but do all three of them run all winter long? NNNNOOO!
The one furnace is just to take the chill off , mostly for October helpers. Basically that furnace would otherwise be trying to heat the whole outdoors! Money I could be buying cat food with!

spookologist
01-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Hey Ken....

Maybe raise the price to $20 with the bus and the extra 5 bucks can go towards your bar tab for a job well done. You guys work your butts off each year so why not reward the crew with a round. Even if its a tip type of thing.

Just a though.

Wayne




www.trailofterror.com

Ken Spriggs
01-19-2007, 08:22 AM
Ok how about if we place a tip jar at the exit.......
If anyone wants to pay more they can.
We may be doing the behind the scenes and having a small donation type charge.
We really enjoy doing the tours

We are going to have tickets online soon (Sean?)

Check our site for new info as we get it. www.dreamreapers.com

Bump in the Night will be having all there stuff at the house for your viewing pleasure.

We are also talking to a few celebs for you all to meet.
Since Fango is in town......of course we have invited all the celebs from there also....some have contracts so they can't sit and sign BUT they can come through and they usually do.
Last year we had Bill Mosley, Kane Hodder, Mick Foley, Butch Patrick, Dustin Diamond....I think that was it.

Look forward to seeing everyone

Ken Spriggs
01-19-2007, 08:22 AM
Ok how about if we place a tip jar at the exit.......
If anyone wants to pay more they can.
We may be doing the behind the scenes and having a small donation type charge.
We really enjoy doing the tours

We are going to have tickets online soon (Sean?)

Check our site for new info as we get it. www.dreamreapers.com

Bump in the Night will be having all there stuff at the house for your viewing pleasure.

We are also talking to a few celebs for you all to meet.
Since Fango is in town......of course we have invited all the celebs from there also....some have contracts so they can't sit and sign BUT they can come through and they usually do.
Last year we had Bill Mosley, Kane Hodder, Mick Foley, Butch Patrick, Dustin Diamond....I think that was it.

Look forward to seeing everyone

Matt Marich
01-20-2007, 08:33 AM
Ken, I don't drink...., Stomach problems from to much Haunting Stress.

Ken Spriggs
01-20-2007, 05:14 PM
High blood pressure pills and the little purple nexium work wonders!

hauntdaddy
01-27-2007, 06:03 AM
We really enjoy and look forward to going through Dream Reapers during TW. We will miss that after TW moves. As for the frozen tundra tour, I go to those every year because I live up here.