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drfrightner
01-25-2007, 04:57 PM
Transworld is officially moving the whole show to Las Vegas starting in 2008. The show will now be located at Sand Expo and Convention Center and the show will be held on March 16-19th.

In the past they had a Halloween show in Vegas but it never went over well probably because of Chicago, but now the WHOLE show will be located in Vegas.

There are also rumors of other things happening that would make the show EVEN more exciting than EVER before...more on that later if it happens. Anyway what does everything think?

Larry

gadget-evilusions
01-25-2007, 05:07 PM
That sucks. I don't go to any shows that I can't drive too right now. I would hate to have to start flying to Transworld. Right now it's a 7 hour drive. I wouldn't want to have to go further, but I guess there is no choice. Do they figure they will get more people if they move to Las Vegas? Most of the big haunt companies are closer to chicago.

Jim Warfield
01-25-2007, 05:16 PM
I always thought the competition with EVERYTHING else there is to see and do in Vegas is what helped to make the Vegas show an also-ran, especially as far as the venders were concerned.
Is Transworld really leaving or did they get booted in favor of a show that makes the place more money? After Haunters arrive in Vegas, I hope they remember to attend the show!
There's the Paper Clip Show, the Electric Toothbrush Show, The Celebrity Booger Collectors Expo......

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 05:25 PM
You know I agree with you and yes you're right however Chicago is cold, hard to find hotels, nothing to do, etc. Vegas is the #1 spot in the AMERICA for tradeshows...there must be a reason for it.

I do think most haunt vendors are east of St. Louis and are haunters so this is putting everyone further away.

The one thing I think will happen is FEWER people will bring an entourage with them. This could get the show back to being a business to business show and less of the one business owner and 15 staff members.

Thats not a bad thing either.

Larry

Raycliff Manor
01-25-2007, 05:34 PM
It's going to be much further for us, but I think it's AWESOME news! I'm not a big fan of cold weather and it's much easier to justify the expense when going to the convention can also be viewed as a vacation! :D I love it! Thanks for the news!

Kel

Jim Warfield
01-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Why would anyone wish to bring 15 guys with them , more competition for the showgirl's attentions!
I'll be there as soon as those real-looking 100's coming off my ink-jet printer! Exactly which color and brand of ink do you use for yours Larry?

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 05:44 PM
I'm assuming but not sure that the show will never be coming back to Chicago, I think once its moved its there for good.

What are the pros and cons of Vegas? What are the pros and cons of Chicago. Do you think its a good idea or not?

I'm waiting for Rich Strelak to chime in ... I'm sure he likes the idea. LOL

Larry

Jim Warfield
01-25-2007, 05:49 PM
Rich won't like it at all, having 700 sleeping bags and tents on his lawn for a week!
There is "Circus! circus!", then there would be "Circus! Circus! Circus!Circus!" (Rich practising the "Cussing".) hahahaha!
I have been to Vegas once, I was there the morning Elvis was found dead.
I had an alibi.
Elvis never had said, "The day Jim Warfield shows up in Vegas, I'll drop dead!" But he might have?

PumpkinHead
01-25-2007, 06:14 PM
YAY !!!!!! When a four hour flight is replaced with a four hour drive PumpkinHead is a happy Jack-o-lantern.... and he refers to himself in third person..... don't make fun of him

He will see you all in 2008

-PH

MMManiac
01-25-2007, 06:21 PM
I wouldnt mind going to Las Vegas but Chicago was nicer. I dont think people would take a bus from Las Vegas to Green Bay for the Frozen Tundra Tour, or the Dream Reapers Tour. As far as the weather is concerned do it later in the year or just deal with it. It's not THAT cold! (Then again I live in Wisconsin). We'll just have to see what happens

SomeThingInTheIce
01-25-2007, 06:23 PM
Bring it to Orlando,lots to do and its not freaking cold.

Nightgore
01-25-2007, 06:23 PM
Is their any MAJOR haunts in LV? I don't know of any! -Tyler

kpolley
01-25-2007, 06:25 PM
My first thoughts are that it sucks because that is half a world away for me when Chicago is only 4 hours. I also wonder if the prices will be hiked, lowered, or stay at the already high levels they are currently at.

On the bright side, Nevada is a right to work state so the stanglehold that the unions have on us at Chicago will be lifted. I can't say that I'm sorry to see that go.

Flying is much more expensive than driving, however. I think overall this will not be a good move. I expect smaller turnouts and less revenue for Transworld meaning higher costs for those of us who still go.

I'd be real curious about the projected cost increases or decreases.

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 06:36 PM
I totally agree the total overall attedance will DROP!!!

But I also think the qualified buyer will INCREASE, because many people will view this as a getaway in addition to a tradeshow. Many amusement park owners/managers will probably use the show as an excuse to finally come again, but the real reason is Vegas.

The one thing I think you will LOSE for sure is the gatherings, taking over a hotel, sitting down at one hotel and talking all night. I think you will lose a lot of people getting together and talking as most will be in different hotels, and people will go to shows, casinos, or just walk around.

From that stand point this will ruin the experience from what you know it as now, however as a vendor you should be happy if more qualified buyers come and you have to weed through less people who don't own any type of haunt and plan no buying nothing but still want your brochures and dvds.

Its a catch 22...

As for haunts there are many haunts in Vegas and I'm sure you'll find them opening up for this event. I'm sure Rich Strelak will be doing something, maybe Randy Griggs, etc.

I doubt you'll find many people who don't want an excuse to go to Vegas and I think in the end thats the bottom line. As for hurting TW, it might cause some vendors to scale back booths because of shipping costs, who knows. On the other hand you might see an increase in buyers so you buy more booths. Who knows right now.

It will be different!

Larry

MDKing
01-25-2007, 07:03 PM
First of all, I personally am not too thrilled with it. But it would be good to see in a new city though. There aren't too many people who will feel bad for those who complain about not being able to drive there anymore, it's been in Chicago long enough and now you guys can fly too!

But I think that a Halloween show would still be better received in Chicago rather than Vegas. Sadly Vegas is going back to it's old ways and with everything going on, the city of Vegas will hardly notice that the Transworld show is in town.

Plus, that's going to be a long flight for all of us on the east coast, which is where a lot of haunts are. I'm not much for flying although I do it often, last flight to Vegas I got real sick!!!

SomeThingInTheIce has a good idea, move it to Orlando, even if IAAPA is there who couldn't use another trip to Florida? And you wouldn't have to deal with all the aggressive "hoes" an loud drunks on the street on the way back to your hote in Vegasl!

But it would be cool to see Rich's haunts, if he decided to open, they look awesome!

Allan

MDKing
01-25-2007, 07:21 PM
After thinking about it, I think a great place for the show to move too would be Texas! The Dallas/Ft Worth area for example. Nice weather, middle of the country, great haunts and attractions. Plus personally I would love to check out a Mavericks game while there! :D

But, I'm sure they already decided on Vegas so we'll all have to make the most of it.

Allan

Ken Spriggs
01-25-2007, 07:24 PM
Gee I haven't missed a show in like 15 years.
There's always a first.
Don't get me wrong Vegas in March for my Bday would be nice, but the show is hard enough to pay for in Chicago...and we live here. Now add airfare rental cars and the rest of the stuff.....it isn't going to be worth it anymore.
I hate to say this......seems more than ever that they don't want to deal with the Mom and Pop haunted houses. I would bet my life that most of the haunts are barely able to afford to send 1 or 2 people to TW as it is, and that is probably driving not flying.

I guess some of the smaller local/traveling shows are going to be doing a bunch more business.

Well i might as well start using the tagline

"COME TO DREAM REAPERS....BEFORE YOU CAN'T ANYMORE"
Fun while it lasted

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 07:33 PM
I kinda figured the people in Chicago wouldn't like it, I mean you don't have to do anything but sleep in your own bed and drive home to your own bed at the end of the day. For me it almost the same thing, St. Louis isn't far away, I don't have to fly, when we're done with the show we're driving back the same day. From that stand point I don't like it either.

If I was a huge vendor like a Scarefactory I don't think I'd like it much either, what a trek to go to vegas...might as well have the show in LA.

Now on the other side of the coin...someone says go to Orlando. Well lets be honest now Orlando is all the way in the corner of one side of the country...so whats the difference.

Is it fair for west coast people...NO its not! So if you move it to vegas is it fair for east coast people? NO its not.

Most haunts are east of KC, so this effects most of everyone. Oh well...

If you're a professional you'll be there period! This is your business so you will be there! Period!

Will it take some time to get use to? Yes it will!

But hey IAAPA is going to Vegas in 2009 and then every other year...they've announced a west coast east coast format starting 2009. 2009 they will be in Vegas then Orlando then Vegas then Orlando and so on and so forth. So if I keep going to IAAPA i'll be getting use to going to Vegas.

I'm POSITIVE this effect haunters and probably will keep a lot of haunters away because they like driving. But again if this is a business for you you will be there even if you have to fly...big deal!

Its really not much different, you still have to get hotels, you still have to eat, and in Vegas they have more hotels, more things to eat, more stuff to do, and its not cold. For vendors no unions!

Do I like it? Yes and NO. I don't like it because its further away, because I think fewer people will come and no place to get together after the show, but I like it because hey its Vegas baby!

Who doesn't like Vegas?

Larry

PhantomSW
01-25-2007, 08:03 PM
How about starting East coast trade show???

Start out small and see if it grows??

Yes... I know it is a Headache and half...

ClusterOne
01-25-2007, 08:18 PM
I heard this rumored a year back or so, and as someone who goes to several trade shows a year in Vegas..this will be bittersweet. It will still be a flight for me, I ain't driving for 11 hours again, did it once, that was enough!

And if the convention will be at the Sands, who says we cant take over that hotel! I'm sure they have a place like the bar at the Crown we can loiter in.

So for us, more positive then negative...but I will miss our trip to Chicago. We were know as the idiots from California wearing shorts, now we are just going to be the idiots from California!

Nightgore
01-25-2007, 08:52 PM
I guess this news means that MHC will grow! IDK... Vegas? It seems, distant. LOL! -Tyler

MidnightEvil
01-25-2007, 10:23 PM
This is all I have to say about the move.

Bright light city gonna set my soul
Gonna set my soul on fire
Got a whole lot of money thats ready to burn,
So get those stakes up higher
Theres a thousand pretty women waitin out there
And theyre all livin devil may care
And Im just the devil with love to spare
Viva las vegas, viva las vegas
http://www.midnightevil.com/v7.jpg

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 10:23 PM
I think Nightgore is correct... smaller shows like MHC could end up having more people attend who don't attend TW. On the other hand I still think TW will stay the home for the haunted vendor and buyers, but it could lose a lot of that haunted hangout kinda feel.

Larry

Jonathan
01-25-2007, 10:32 PM
I think it can go both ways. It may lose some of the "Haunter" feel, but can be successful in Vegas on a tradeshow level.

In my other job, I have been to many shows out that way and it is less interactive and personable, but numbers in sales are good.

But then you have to look at the average buyer too. Many may not fly out that way and will just resort to buying from the site or catalog.

Most of what buyers do like is the after hours activities that Vegas will lack. Yes, there is Vegas shows, acts etc. But it won't have the Haunter feel. So with that, many may feel why go, just buy from the catalog.

So there are pros and cons.

Now for the Halloween Costume and Party Show, it will flourish. That place will be gold for it. I mean most of those people are wholesalers, buyers etc and do their own thing at night anyhoo. So in that respect its a good move.

Now do I personally like the idea. No. I think a Haunt show, Trade or Con needs to be representative of what it is. And Vegas doesn't cry buy me, buy me come all haunters.

A cold Chicago or Hauntcons, MI this year, or MHC does. Its true to where haunts take place. THeir market, their target audiences and where they feel at home.

But then again thisi all my opinion.

Nightgore
01-25-2007, 10:55 PM
I could also see haunters from that side of the country attending more, since Chicago was far away for them. They're probably screaming... "about time!'. LOL! I guess I need to start a savings account NOW for next years show! -Tyler

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 10:58 PM
Yes there are pros and cons but lets just put out the facts...

The #1 most attended IAAPA show as in New Orleans...why? Because it appeals to adults who want to have fun as well as see their industry show. When they have the show in Atlanta its all time low...why? Because there is nothing to do in Atlanta.

So whats the point...the point is that taking the show to Vegas is going to mean more professional turnout for vendors. Amusement parks no longer go to Chicago, just bored I guess, I guess "ORDER OUT OF CATALOGS' like you said...

Vegas will change that for sure... instead of ordering out of a catalog they'll go to the show. Vegas is the excuse to go!!!

Facts are facts...Chicago is cold, Chicago is boring in the winter, Rosemont's not even in Chicago, not enough hotels, hotels cost too much, not enough places to eat, its just an all around NON draw for a tradeshow.

There is a reason why ALL tradeshows are moving to Orlando and Vegas...don't kid yourself before its all said done all tradeshows will be in these two cities for good reason. The city itself is a draw as is the show itself. Chicago in the winter is NO draw! Vegas is a draw anytime, everytime, everyday, anyday.

Yes the 'haunted' feeling will be gone, and it will be replaced by a business feel, where attraction owners and buyers with money to spend deal with vendors ready to supply product. Thats what a tradeshow is suppoe to be!

I still think you'll find TONS of haunt fans showing up and running around with blood dripping down their face, just not as many. After the show is done for the day, people will hit the shows, dine, and have fun. Nothing wrong with that.

Larry

Jonathan
01-25-2007, 11:05 PM
Yeah I agree. As I said, I have attended many shows in Vegas for business and it is sales and sales.

I think over all, in the end, there is a market for Haunters and Business Vendors at shows like Hauntcon and MHC, and TW is more business end.

We will see how the turnout is from the buyers. Its a reason to go yes, is it a drive, or flight yes. But then again, if you were on the WEst Coast isn't Midwest a drive or flight?

Its going to affect some no matter what. Do I personally like it, no, I am in WI. Its easy to get to and Buy and now vend. But business is business and there are reasons behind decisions.

I have been to Vegas many times and am bored of it. Yes there is tons to do there, TONS. But after going to tradeshows there for years, I am burnt out on the scene. Maybe its the fatherhood and old age kicking in.

I think it'll be a hard move for TW, but in the end work itself out as all things do and work for the Industry.

drfrightner
01-25-2007, 11:22 PM
Do you know what the REAL bottom line is???

The real bottom line is ANYONE who's running a haunted house, or using Halloween as a ways of income, extending an amusement season, or whatever IS GOING TO TW no matter if they move it to Alaska.

As an attraction owner I could go a year or two without going to IAAPA...nothing ever seems to change there. Its a different kind of show for sure... its not as much about new product as it is about cutting deals.

The TW Haunt show is about seeing NEW product, and the end user the haunt owner WANTS new product! You can't get that ANYWHERE ELSE!

Haunters will be in Vegas, drive, fly, train, or walking they'll be there!

Will some haunters bring a small entourage, yes! Will some horror/haunted fans stop coming due to costs, yes! Will some still come, yes! Will it stop anyone trying to make a living from haunting from coming...NO!

Larry

spookologist
01-25-2007, 11:43 PM
Like anything else, change is difficult. I'm sure the vendors will adjust. I think it may balance out because casual people wiil go just for the Vegas thing and the die-hards will go anywhere. Being from CT. nothing is convenient, but this will be my 10th year attending the show. I think you'll see buses filled with haunters coming from certain areas like Ohio and Illinios. Now that would be a great road trip.

I hope we don't loose the gathering aspect of it. I think we'll need to make sure we have a headquarter hotel with a nice set-up like the Crown had for us so the haunted feel doesn't go away. What should be done is an array of scheduled events and gatherings. We can all hang out and maybe we can go to shows or events as a group.


I'll take the warmth but I will miss Dreamreapers.

Wayne

dr0zombie
01-25-2007, 11:44 PM
There is the draw of Vegas over Chicago.... come on... EVERYONE has a trade show in Vegas or Orlando.... why not go where the events are....

And then simply the huge numbers of people who attend on the weekend of TW that are just there to mingle and see the sights. It is a trade show. A move to Vegas would equal less people who spent more money to get there.....Money to attend equals money to buy. In that way Vegas can filter for them......

This does suck for smaller events. Though you never got the feel TW was really in it for them anyway. That's why there is a MHC. MHC is for the core of the industry, the regular haunt guy/girl. TW has been moving away from the haunt industry for years now.... so for them to move to Vegas and give more room to an event that caters to haunters like MHC may be the best thing for everyone, when this all happens.... though.....it will be sad to see it go...

Speculo
01-25-2007, 11:52 PM
It might be good for the big show.. the Halloween show... but for hardcore haunters not so much. I like Vegas, I have been before and I will go again. But frankly what Chicago has IS the haunters.

I think that I would rather discuss the business and the fun of haunting all weekend with others that live and breathe this stuff than go see some $130 song and dance, but I bet I will end up at shows and exploring anyway...how can you resist?

It is almost like being stuck in some cabin in the snow...but it doesnt matter where it is, it matters who is there. Frankly everyone will scatter to the winds in Vegas, a massive brain drain, and I also just don't see all the big animation manufacturing guys hauling as much stuff there.

We shall see what happens, the overall show may do great but it just might bust up the haunting culture as we know it, and vanish many of the low volume vendors from the floor.

Only time will tell.

Thanks!

Ben Armstrong
NETHERWORLD

Nightgore
01-25-2007, 11:56 PM
I could agree that the small time vendors would dissapear from the show. Kind of sucks when your trying to make a living at this! -Tyler

Haunted Illinois
01-26-2007, 12:06 AM
What a sad thing this is. Well, not just for me, but Haunters in general. I’ve been going to the show for more than 6 years now and I guess that’s all going to come to an end. The nice haunt-feel of the show will be sacrificed for a cold, sterile business atmosphere, which I think is a shame.

From what Larry said, it’s the end of Transworld in Chicago. Transworld being hosted in Chicago was definitely very convenient for myself and Haunters in Chicagoland and the general vicinity.

It’s a mixed bag, for sure. Who will it benefit? Who will it hurt? I think we all know the answer to that question. As Larry said, this change of venue will result in more “qualified buyers” attending the show. That will most definitely benefit the wholesale vendors, who are only interested in dealing with high-volume sales anyway. I suppose with the show in Vegas, the wholesale folks won’t have to worry about “gawkers” swiping their valuable catalogs anymore. But I think that is the only group of vendors the change of location will benefit.

The sad part is that the wholesaler’s gain will be the Haunt vendors’ loss. Due to the distance involved, I’m sure that a number of Haunt vendors won’t attend in Vegas, or at least those who do will downscale their presence, due to the cost alone. The additional cost of travel will result in a lot of low-budget to mid-budget Haunt owners not attending, also. Even with me being as big of a Haunt nut as I am, I’m not sure I’ll be able to attend the Vegas show, due to additional travel costs. Many people traveling from the East will have to pay an additional $200-300 for plane fair, plus the cost of a rental car and other additional expenses. That, in addition to the cost of a hotel, will be just too much for some to pay. Of course that will be a drop in the bucket to those high-end amusement park-type haunts, but how many of them are there, compared to the regular haunters who had attended Transworld before?

The main concentration of Haunts, as I understand it, is in the eastern half of the US. Now the “powers that be” have decided that the Transworld show should be on the opposite end of the country? How much sense does that make? This will make going to the NEW Transworld show more costly and difficult for most Haunters and even Haunt vendors. Perhaps Transworld just doesn’t want to deal with low-budget Haunters and “unqualified” buyers and this is their solution to get rid of them?

Another consideration is that we won’t have Dream Reapers, the Raven’s Grin or Frozen Tundra Tour to attend. Dream Reapers and the Raven’s Grin have definitely become a tradition of Transworld weekend for many people (myself included). I realize there may be haunts that will open in the Las Vegas area, but it won’t be the same. You can call me a sentimental fool, I guess. I suppose for me that the warm & fuzzy feeling of Transworld has dwindled, as a result of me hearing this news.

While Vegas has an abundance of activities to offer, won’t that detract from the show? Yes the location may draw people to attend, but with all the gambling and other stuff to do, could it be possible that show attendees will spend less time at the show and other Haunt-related activities as a result?? And as Larry pointed out, it won’t be as much of a social event, as it will be a business gathering for wholesale vendors/buyers. I don’t know about you, but a great deal of my enjoyment of the show was due to the social atmosphere of Transworld. With that aspect of the show diminishing, Transworld has become a bit less attractive, at least to me.

As for Vegas having better weather, that may be so, but the bone-chilling cold of Chicago was more beneficial to Haunt vendors than people realize. With less things for people to do and bad weather that everyone wanted to stay away from, more people stay inside on the show floor longer, thus benefiting the vendors at the show.

Perhaps people are trying to make this show out to be strictly a high-end haunter or amusement park haunt owner show and that’s fine, but I think this decision is doing the Haunt Industry a disservice. Undoubtedly, this Transworld migration will benefit local shows like MHC in the near future.

Just my two cents!

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 12:11 AM
See again I don't agree... I love Ben and agree with him 99% of the time, however I don't agree that vendors will bring less. I don't agree at all!

In fact I think they'll bring more, because moving the show to Vegas will draw MORE buyers from amusement parks, entertainment centers and the like. As I stated before New Orleans has outdrawn most other cities due to its adult themed entertainment.

Vegas is everything any adult could want, everyone wants to see the lights and sounds of Vegas. I do agree with Ben that the haunted culture that has been developed at TW will probably be dimished greatly. Is it fun hanging and talking all night? C'mon its great!

Will you lose alot of that horror fan mentality that seems to overtake Chicago yes you will. Why?

When the Halloween show invades Rosemont it takes over the town...you can't go anywhere and not be amoung others in your industry. However in Vegas no one will even know you are there. We'll just mix right in.

I think a good suggestion to TRANSWORLD would be to work with a hotel to book all of us haunters in...this way you can continue the traditions.

I'm sure this will happen, we're a year away! We have plenty of time to find another hotel to hang out at...just as in Chicago I'm sure we can find a hotel home base!

But in the long run I think MORE buyers show up for Vegas than ever before in Chicago and vendors will reap the rewards.

Does this hurt the small haunter, maybe but not really. People can plan vacations around this show, heck LA is only FOUR hours away! You can do the show, see the sights of vegas, see the shows, then drive up to LA and do Disney if you want.

Vegas can be a vacation in March.

Lastly, c'mon now EVERY airline flies to Vegas direct practically. Its an easy airport to find flights and cheap as well! Hotels are cheaper on top of it!!!! What you lose in whatever you'll gain back in cheaper hotels and for that matter nicer hotels.

larry

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 12:27 AM
Adam,

What's really funny is to hear people cry about how far away it is...

If you live in Texas, say Houston one of the biggest cities in America how much further is Houston from Chicago to House to Vegas? Less than 400 more of a drive...not that big of a deal.

So for haunts in major states like Texas its not that big of a deal, heck Vegas is closer to LA than Chicago is the Frozen Tundra Tour, or closer to Salt Lake City than Chicago is to the Frozen Tundra tour.

What is really crazy is we act like we're back in the horse and buggy days, or when train was the only way to cross the country. You can fly RIGHT NOW on Southwest for as little as $129.00 each way from Chicago to Las Vegas!

So what is the big deal?

You can get hotels for ONE FORTH the price in Vegas as Rosemont. Again I'm not seeing how this is a backbreaker for ANYONE including the horror fan.

Face it Vegas is better, warmer, more fun, more things to do, better hotels, bigger convention center, and the tradeshow capital of the WORLD!

Anyone can go to Vegas!

Anyone!

I've gone to the Chiller Show and people come from ALL OVER! Heck Ben, who chimed in already has gone to HAUNT X and thats even further from his home than Vegas. Today with the web, cell phones, webcams, blah, blah its almost like everyone is a next door neighbor.

Back in the 80's when i Moved back to St. Louis from Houston I lelft all my friends...it felt like they were a MILLION miles away. When I called them I had to get permission because of long distance. One 20 minute phone call cost like 30 bucks.

All those days are over...this world has shrunk by 90%! Nothing is that far away or atleast it seems that way anymore. Distance isn't the issue.

The issue might be that you might lose that 'we're taking over the town' 'or all the gatherings at one hotel' but I think you can still have that in Vegas as well.

Dont' get me wrong people...I'm a FOUR hour drive from Chicago I love it. But just because IAAPA goes to Orlando a 19 hour drive from my home, doesn't mean I'm not going!

Larry

RJ Productions
01-26-2007, 04:32 AM
WOW! I go out to the storage yard to get some work done on my Haunt (weather is sunny in the mid 50’s!) and all Hell breaks loose!!! Move the show and some people think the world has ended!!! Listen I’m IN Vegas so you would naturally think I’m thrilled about having TW in my backyard….not really. For personal reasons I liked having it in Chicago. I’m from ChiTown (GO BEARS!!!!) and it’s the only time I get to visit family. But if you look at the reality of, moving makes good sense for the show…period.

Remember TW is based in Chicago area. It is definitely easier for them to keep the show there, their staff lives there, they have more contacts there, the Rosemont center and area hotel bend over backwards to please them. So why on earth would they consider moving???? Again, because it’s the best thing for the show.

Like it or not Vegas, like Orlando is a convention town. It’s designed to accommodate the business. There are more hotels here than anywhere on the planet. In Rosemont a huge hotel is 300 rooms, in Vegas a SMALL hotel is 3,000 rooms! TW is having problems with rooms this year, not a problem in Vegas.

Cab fare is cab fare period. Vegas has shuttles, bus service and you can walk to a lot of the different attractions. Where can you walk to from the Rosemont area hotels????

You drive to Rosemont, you pay out the nose to park your car everyday, even at your own hotel!
Parking at your hotel is FREE in Vegas. If you really want to pay to park in Vegas it’s called VALET and you tip the guy $2.00!! maybe a five if you’re a big spender! Valet at Rosemont, it’s a mandatory $15-25 PLUS a tip!

How many places to eat in Rosemont??? How many places after 10pm??????? Ever get back to room after a long load in and then wonder how you’re going to eat? Try NOT to find somewhere to eat ANYTIME of day in Vegas. And do I even have to mention “Last call”??? No such animal in Vegas!

The purpose of a trade show is to put buyers in front of a vendor; you have to service these buyers and vendors. That’s what a place like Vegas is designed to do. Is it the purpose of a trade show to provide a “…warm and fuzzy feeling”??? Maybe at a Dr. Phil convention, but not a business trade show.

Yes I agree, you will not have a Midwest haunt taking a bus load of their actors to the trade show, but in the reality of it is, how many of those actors make buying decisions???? Here’s a little convention lesson, there is no free lunch. SOMEONE has to pay the bills. At TW and most shows it’s the Vendors who foot the bill. They pay the big prices for booths to be put in front of prospective buyers. That allows all the non-buying attendees to gain admission. No sales means, no Vendors. No Vendors means no one to pay the bills. That means you have to charge admission to run a show, no free lunch. Why do you think Hauntcon has to charge? Not enough Vendors to foot the bill.

As some have stated it may make MHC a bigger show, but again it won’t be Vendor sponsored because you won’t have a big enough buyer base. How will they afford to put on the show?? Charge the attendees of course! Some have made comments about not being able to afford TW. How do you expect to afford bringing a busload if everyone has to pay for admission????

As Larry stated several times, true Haunters will show up if they moved the show to Broken Arrow Oklahoma!! Things will just shift alittle. I go to Chicago alone, I have EVERY year. I don’t bring my Actor Co-ordinators or any other staff. They don’t make the business decisions, I do. Move the show to Vegas, and I may finally have MY people come see the show!!! Things shift. Now the guy from Michigan who used to bring HIS entire crew has to go to Vegas alone because HE makes the business decisions. Maybe having a west coast show will improve and grow the west coast Haunt market????

The argument that Chicago is better because buyers have no where else to go to is total bull! The show floor closes at 5pm period whether you are in Chicago or Vegas, so Vendors still have the same amount of time. Changing to Vegas means the opportunities AFTER 5pm just increased about 20 fold! Bottom line is that it will be much easier to do business in Vegas for a trade show. THAT’s why they’re moving the show.

People are complaining that we’ll lose all the “camaraderie” we have in Chicago. You will only lose that if you WANT to lose it! They had a poor excuse for a trade show in Vegas before. There were hardly ANY Haunters in attendance, yet we all seemed to get together anyway. We can schedule get-togethers officially or impromptu if Haunters want to meet. I’m sure Hauntworld would want to sponsor something! We just have more choices of locations and we don’t have to worry about “last call”!!! Some would call that a big plus!!

Someone else commented about Haunt tours. There are NO permanent haunts in Vegas, too costly. I will try and make arrangements to have one of my shows open, but that should NOT be a determining factor to go to TW. Remember the haunt tours were only added recently. The haunts in year round buildings figured they could make a couple extra bucks opening during the show. Let’s be really honest…. The haunt tours only prospered because there was nothing else to do!! Do you go to the haunts to get new ideas or do you go to the show???? ANY Haunt only has “last year’s ideas”. You have to see the show to get “next year’s ideas”!!! Face it, we go to the haunts to hang out and visit. We’ll hang out and visit in Vegas, it’s just that the background changes and now wears fewer clothes!!!

So to sum up a LONG rant… am I happy about the move to Vegas?? Not for personal reasons, but for the benefit of the show itself, it is absolutely a smart move.

OK Larry, I responded! What happens in Vegas!!!!!!

Jim Warfield
01-26-2007, 07:59 AM
I may be very wrong, but I always guessed that the reason the Vegas Transworld wasn't much in the past was because it was so much closer to the west coast where so many artists and technitions that do incredible work live and that alot of the products shown might not have been that impressive to west coasters??
The movie and tv production business provides more full-time entertainment/creative opportunitys, which also mean more people thinking toward these ends, thereby coming up with more and newer ideas .
Once again, I could be wrong about this, I only see out over the cornfield when the snow is holding down the corn and even in the summer my corn-periscope can get wevils on the lense.

John Coen
01-26-2007, 08:13 AM
Sounds like an opportunity for the Midwest Haunters Convention to expand!

imax
01-26-2007, 09:01 AM
John, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Have MHC move over to the Chicago in March slot and see what happens. Might be a great move!

As for us, eh, whatever. More money I can take off the taxes at the end of the year I guess. The nice thing about Chicago was it is more or less smack dab in the middle of the country. Not a bad haul for east or west coasters, or from the folks in the south. It's extremely easy for us Midwesterners to get there.

My question is - where did you get the info, Larry? I can't seem to confirm it anywhere? Is it really confirmed, or is it still rumor stage?

Seems kinda funny that a big show would just up and move, especially when the company is based in the same town (Rosemont)... especially without testing the waters with surveys of buyers/sellers and (most importantly) exhibitors.

I guess time will tell. Larry, if you have a link to a press release, I'd love to see it.

-- I

Ken Spriggs
01-26-2007, 09:07 AM
Whatever.....If we go we go.
It will be a better show for wholesale.

Haunters will be nonexistant or very small part of the show.

Hell I should be able to pick up some business shipping everyones stuff to the convention next year.

It is hard LARRY for people who run a haunt and have day jobs to make it to conventions.

Hauntcon...MHC....Ironstock will all become the things for Haunters to do

TW will be back to the show it once was 15 years ago...people in suits buying things....maybe it isn't going to be so bad...depends on what you are selling.

Nightgore
01-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Lets not forget that the Hauntworld.com gatherings will probably grow...

I now that I am going to try HARD to go to the Vegas show next year! In fact, I just opened a savings account TODAY for it...LOL! I was looking around the internet and found this...

Hotels.com (if purchased early enough in advance)..
Sorry for the BIG link!


http://www.hotels.com/processSearch.do?allPropertyTypesSelected=true&usertypedcity=&destination=4fded4ff-af4a-41b7-976b-bd5bd436f135%7Cb68f06c3-77a8-49f1-9ba2-c9e779fdad9d%7CLas+Vegas%2C+NV%2C+USA%7C1&inout=&CIMonth=-1&CIDay=-1&CIYear=2007&COMonth=-1&CODay=-1&COYear=2007&dateless=&numrooms=1&adults%5B0%5D=2&child%5B0%5D=0

Not that bad! I believe that hotels like this and more are probably MORE affodable than in Chicago. The only thing I see rising is airfare, so book in advance (several months). The earlier you book, the cheaper it is.

And you add the money you save on hotels in Vegas to your airfare.... it should be about even, shouldn't it! -Tyler

Joedog
01-26-2007, 09:48 AM
I would be willing to bet the southerners will pick up somthing in Atlanta.
Ben?? Think you could make a snowball?

Speculo
01-26-2007, 11:03 AM
I don't disagree with you Rich or Larry, I just like what is going on now from a culture stand point in Chicago. As far as hotels, food and cold it is not so good!

And for us to guess what Scarefactory, Unit 70, Scareparts and the like will do is pointless anyway. We will find out in due time. I am sure Transworld is making a very reasoned choice, I am sure they know what is best for their business.

And what we are doing here won't change anything. They are moving to Vegas, and if you own a haunted house you will be there as well I am sure.

So enjoy those last few freezing trips across the road dodging flairs and slush, we will see you in Chicago one last time.

Thanks

Ben Armstrong
NETHERWORLD

KegRoller
01-26-2007, 11:03 AM
This is wonderful for us. The Chicago show has always been cost prohibited for our whole crew to attend. In Vegas it would be a 3 hour drive and the hotels can be relatively cheap.

From a business standpoint… having the show in Vegas will do exactly what Larry said. The show is a great excuse for buyers to sneak off to Vegas for some fun. This will bring new blood, and more importantly a new money, to the show.

mindtumor
01-26-2007, 11:19 AM
As long as the show is similar to the show in Chicago I will find a way to get to Vegas. It isn't that hard to travel, especially with things like priceline.

screamlinestudios
01-26-2007, 12:13 PM
I think this may have been mentioned before, but I could really do without that strong arm tatics of the Chicago Unions -

That alone as well as the warmer location and appeal of Las Vegas are bonuses for me.

We'll be there, just some more logistics to work out. Instead of me driving a truck of our booth and props, we'll have to ship them in containers.

It will cost us more, no doubt about that. Unless they are willing to lower the price of the booths.

creature
01-26-2007, 01:24 PM
I myself think this is great news! I have been attending trade shows in vegas for my swimming pool and hot tub company for 14 years. I read alot of complaining about rental cars-but I have never once rented a car. You can get to any hotel on the strip on a shuttle from the airport for about $7. The new tram system goes all the way down the strip, and straight to the convention center. I believe you can ride it all day for $10 or so. You can get ANYWHERE on the strip!
Also rooms are way cheaper. I can usually stay at the Luxor for $59 or excalibur for $49 a night. There is always deals on rooms. I will have to pay probably another $100 for a flight, but I will save on the rooms for sure, as most of the time in rosemont it's 130-150 a room, plus parking fees. All in all It will work out cheaper for me(Other than money spent on fun and drinks..lol) There is so much more to do in vegas...and being from Buffalo-I am much happier to go to a warmer climate!! All in all I think this is definately a good move. Other than no more dream reapers :(

-Tim

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 02:10 PM
Right now it seems to be a split 50/50 on reaction to this.

Anytime you have change its hard at first. When I read Ken's comments I'm like what...Ken this is what everyone else in the nation does year after year. You're like one of how many haunters that live in Chicago, there are people from all over that have to deal with what you now will. No big deal man...

You have a successful haunted house, and you will be at Transworld I will bet you on that one, and I'll go one further: You'll have a great time!

I will take another leap here...

All the people saying MHC or Hauntcon or whatever will now grown and maybe take over TW, or that all the new show will be is haunters in suits... I laugh very loudly!

Nothing against these shows, but facts are facts, people go to these shows like a gathering, for their seminars, and or because they are haunters, but no one is going to Hauntcon to see NEW stuff, they hardly have any vendors. Transworld has ALL the vendors, and the VENDORS won't be switching anytime soon!

The vendors are going where the TW goes, and the buyers are going where TW goes, and the vendors are going where the buyers go and the buyers are going where the vendors go and that will be (let me take a breath) VEGAS!

Lastly, I don't think ANYONE will be wearing suits! The only person I see wearing suits year after year in Chicago is Lynton Harris! LOL I don't think that will change in vegas.

Actually (KEN) since you made that comment, the only thing that will change on what people wear is NOW you might actually see people wearing SHORTS! LOL

Larry

Empressnightshade
01-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Well, you'll never catch my butt in a pair of shorts, but I am one of the 50% that's happy TW is moving to Vegas! :D

I am also very glad I chose to attend TW this year. Without it still being in Chicago, I would never have the opportunity to visit Jim's haunt, TOTF, Dream Reapers and all the others. PLUS, I'll finally get a chance to eat the REAL Chicago pizza and not the stuff they call Chicago "style" pizza they serve us here. However, due to the expense, I figured this would be my first and last time attending. Now that it's moving much closer to home, I'm hopeful again. :)

SomeThingInTheIce
01-26-2007, 03:19 PM
I have to say this..."What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"
I can see the commerial now.lol.

Raycliff Manor
01-26-2007, 03:33 PM
If Empress will be in Vegas, what more reason do I need to go to TW Vegas?! :wink: Looking forward to meeting you in Chicago Emp! :D

Kel

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 03:34 PM
Just in case you were thinking maybe I'm wrong... I got another confirmation from Transworld today. They are moving!

This is it!

Vegas here we come!

Larry

Raycliff Manor
01-26-2007, 03:38 PM
The way we look at it, with what we'll save on food and rooms, we can fly. Of course, I do understand that we're not vendors and we don't have to transport a lot of large items. Hell, the luggage will be light with only shorts and t-shirts! Seriously though, I do hope the vendors who normally showcase their products will be willing to get their items to the show. I have a feeling in the long run it'll be more lucrative for them.

Regarding the gatherings, next year we'll have to form a HauntWorld Committee to coordinate a gathering of haunters. That is if TW doesn't take on the challenge already with some form of Haunter's Pavillion area in Vegas. :wink:

Kel

imax
01-26-2007, 03:41 PM
Sounds like the vegas destination is only secured for 2008. The location for 2009 isn't set, and it may indeed be back in chicago, according to Gregg at TW.

It almost sounds like they are testing the waters for a moving show. That would be great! Chicago, Vegas, Orlando...

-- I

ScarlettP
01-26-2007, 03:49 PM
Well... y'all have fun. I can't do Vegas. I've been doing TransWorld for almost 15 years. (I did three in Atlanta before they dropped that one.) Looks like this will be my last one.

RJ Productions
01-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Have MHC move over to the Chicago in March slot and see what happens. Might be a great move!

While I stated shows like MHC might increase in attendance, this type of move wooul be detrimental. Why go up against Goliath when it isn't necessary?????

COMPLIMENT the TW show don't try and compete!!! Make sure MHC is far enough away that people will attend BOTH shows. Do you business at TW (along with a little Vegas fun!!!) and meet your friends at MHC.. Vendors won't support MHC if it's too close to TW, that's why TW Vegas failed to begin with. Too close to the main show...why do both?

Let's talk about "cheap" haunters!!!! Move MHC to Chicago you're back in the same groove, hotel prices, lack of food, activities, etc. What happens if MHC has no vendor support? Remember no free lunch? Wil Haunters be willing to pay additional $100 plus just to visit and feel "warm and fuzzy"???

It seems from people's comments that anyone who is business related, or has done other trade shows sees this as a good move. Only those that have had TW in their back yard for years, drive in, stay with friends or relatives or cram 6 to a room are complaining. The free lunch is over! Most of us have had to foot the MAJOR expenses of traveling to Chicago for years now. Look on the bright side you won't have a fraction of expenses we've had to endure for years!!

For those complaining about making a weekend trip to Vegas, do what others do. You plan a vacation around the show. You expend your stay and stay the week in Vegas. Once you tire of that in a couple years, you drive the 4-5 hours to Los Angles and do the touristy stuff there. March is great because it's warm enough and you don't fight the crowds of the summer!!!!

I WILL definately miss one HUGH factor of leaving Chicago...no not even visiting my family..... I will miss ITALIAN BEEF SANDWICHES!!!! You can not get them ANYWHERE like good ol' Chicago beef!!!! Chicago pizza is great, but you can get a close approximate...not so with Italian Beef!!! My FIRST stop when I land is Buona Beef or Portillo's!!! THAT's what I will miss about Chicago!!!

See I STILL don't win with the show moving to my back yard.I've visited family every year and we're use to it. Now I'll have to make the trip to visit them (and get a beef fix!!!)

ScarlettP
01-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Vegas hotel prices are normally three times higher on a weekend night than through the week. If a hotel says they have rooms starting at $70 per night, that would be a Monday through Thursday nights. Same room on a weekend could be as high as $200.

Plus - JoeDog just informed me that the proposed date is the same weekend as some big NASCAR race. Try finding a hotel room with all those folks around.

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 04:04 PM
As for testing the waters, I don't think thats the case. Whenever you uproot a show that has been in one city for this long, you don't 'test the waters' by moving the show thousands of miles away to see what would happen.

You stand the chance of losing your dates at Rosemont and everything else on a 'test the waters' I don't think so. I think this is set in stone...they're going to Vegas to try and make it WORK!

And I can tell you I think it will WORK, and you'll find that it won't leave!

But we'll see.

Again everyone understand, I live four hours from Chicago I like the short trip!!! LOL

Larry

mindtumor
01-26-2007, 04:47 PM
I live in Michigan and am not exactly thrilled the show is moving to Vegas, but like I said before as long as the show basically stays the same I will be there. I may have to start planning the trip earlier but I will be there.

Empressnightshade
01-26-2007, 04:53 PM
I will miss ITALIAN BEEF SANDWICHES!!!! You can not get them ANYWHERE like good ol' Chicago beef!!!! Chicago pizza is great, but you can get a close approximate...not so with Italian Beef!!! My FIRST stop when I land is Buona Beef or Portillo's!!! THAT's what I will miss about Chicago!!!


Ummmm....
This beef. How far is it from the convention center?

RJ Productions
01-26-2007, 04:58 PM
Scarlett... Room rates ALWAYS flucuate on weekends..EVERYWHERE! You can still find better deals in Vegas than any other major destination.

The NASCAR week end is the week before TW. It's March 9-11 this year. TW is scheduled the following week end.

Remember this is Vegas, we usually have SEVERAL tradeshows going simulatiously. NASCAR pulls in what, maybe about 100,000 people?
Vegas has over 300,000 rooms!!! Don't worry, you'll all fit!!!

And think of it this way, if you want ot make this an extended vacation, those $49 weekday rates make the trip even MORE appealling!!!

Can anyone bring me Italian Beef sandwiches in dry ice next year! LOL!!!

MidnightEvil
01-26-2007, 05:11 PM
Hey ScarlettP

Here are some Las Vegas facts as of 11/30/06 from the
Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority

Room Inventory 131,769
Average daily room rate $118.19
Occupancy Level
Hotel 93%
Motel 66.2%

I attend the CES show every year and never pay over $100 for a room.


"World's Largest Technology Tradeshow Attracts Record International Attendance
With 1.8 million net square feet of exhibit space - the largest show floor in its history - and over 140,000 attendees from across the globe experiencing the latest consumer technology products from 2,700 exhibitors, the 2007 International CES reinforced its status as the world's largest consumer technology tradeshow. Produced by the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA®) and celebrating its 40th anniversary, the 2007 International CES ran January 8-11 in Las Vegas, Nevada. "

As for NASCAR being there, no big deal. I been there with NASCAR, NHRA, SEMA, it's no problem to get rooms.

And don't forget rooms at HotelFear are only $10 :lol: LOL

Haunted Illinois
01-26-2007, 05:52 PM
FYI... Here is the official press release from Transworld Exhibits, if anyone is interested...

http://www.hauntedillinois.com/2008transworldmovestolasvegas.php

damon carson
01-26-2007, 05:59 PM
Its disappointing that it is moving from the mid-west. And it being a close event for us since we live in Missouri. Although I do have relatives in Vegas and I used to live there so I know my way around. But still I wish it would stay in Chicago! This may open the door for a convention to be started in St. Louis??? Hint hint Larry! Let me know if I can help! :wink: But again I hate to see Transworld move. It has its positives and its negatives both ways. Everyone needs to party it up this year in Chicago big time!
Damon

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 06:17 PM
I didn't post the whole press release because I was going to post it on my blog but here it is anyway...




TRANSWORLD EXHIBITS MOVES 24TH INTERNATIONAL HALLOWEEN, COSTUME AND PARTY SHOW TO LAS VEGAS , MARCH 2008

NEWS RELEASE
January 25, 2007

Rosemont , Illinois -- After 23 years in Chicago, TransWorld Exhibits has announced it is moving the International Halloween, Costume & Party Show (HCPShow) to the Sands Expo & Convention Center in Las Vegas . The 2008 show dates will be Sunday, March 16 – Wednesday, March 19.

“By moving this show to Las Vegas , we will be able to expand our floor plan and accommodate the expansion requests of many of our exhibitors. We’ll also open up the show to greater attendance participation from the West Coast. This is a big change for us and we’re excited about its positive effect on the show,” said Joseph Thaler, president of TransWorld Exhibits.

Exhibitors and attendees will be able to see the 2008 floor plan at the 2007 show which is just around the corner, Thaler said, opening on Friday, February 23 and running through Monday, February 26, at the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont , IL . “We’re looking forward to discussing our plans with exhibitors and attendees,” Thaler added. “We’ll be talking about this move a lot at the upcoming show and we’re confident that exhibitors and attendees will share our enthusiasm about 2008.”

Transworld’s 12th National Haunt & Attractions Show, located upstairs from the HCPShow in Rosemont, will also make the move to Las Vegas in 2008 and will continue to be held in a separate exhibitor hall, although crossover attendance is free and encouraged.

“We’re already working on a number of special initiatives for the Las Vegas show,” Thaler said. “We hope to announce some exciting co-locating shows and a few other surprises that will add to the excitement of this move.” Announcements and new developments will be posted on the show website, www.hcpshow.com.

For more than 50 years, TransWorld Exhibits has been a leading producer of independent trade shows. The business, which had its roots in the housewares and consumer electronics industry, has over the years expanded its offerings to include general merchandise, Halloween merchandise, giftware, seasonal items, jewelry, fashion and accessories. The firm runs trade shows located in Chicago , Las Vegas , and the United Kingdom .

Duke of Darkness
01-26-2007, 06:27 PM
As I figured it would, this announcement has drawn some emotional responses. I think that there are some very good reasons to bring show to the west coast. While some are complaining about how far way Vegas is for many haunters, with the exception that those who currently drive to the show, it should be less expensive to travel to Vegas. There are always good hotel and airfare specials to Las Vegas.

As far as the show, one of the reasons for the move, as stated by TW was to give the show room to expand. I too think that the Vegas show will be bigger. I personally think that one of the reasons for the move is that the haunt industry on the west coast, while smaller than the east coast/Midwest markets, is growing quickly.

I personally like the move, not only because I will be able to drive there, but more importantly, because I will be able to take my wife and combine it with a vacation time. I think that in spite of the gloom and doom predictions, many smaller haunters will feel the same way and find their way to Vegas.

The "feel" of the event is a different matter. It may loose some of its intimacy and dark feel. There may be less casual socializing. But only if we make it so! That is not something controlled by the event organizers or the locations, but by us. If we want to have quality social and networking time for haunters we can make that happen.

Unfortunately, I won't be in Chicago this year. I will, however, be in Vegas next year and I, for one, look forward to a great show.

Dave

Mike Bizub
01-26-2007, 07:12 PM
According to the press release the show will run from Sunday to Wed nesday. You are not talking about a weekend now but 3 weekdays. We will always go wherever the show is but I will miss Whitecastles and Giordanos. Mike

drfrightner
01-26-2007, 07:15 PM
Now that is a good point to bring up... I don't like the show being on weekdays thats for sure. That sucks big time!

Most haunters have a real job. Taking off work is a tough thing.

Larry

The13thHour
01-26-2007, 11:18 PM
I am excited about the move and also that the show will be during weekdays. We already have to fly to Chicago so that is not a big deal. I already have to take time off from my day job to go to Chicago, now I can take all week and stay for some fun after the show!

lurker
01-26-2007, 11:20 PM
I'm okay with the move to Vegas. Warmth, gambling, and hookers all have their charms :twisted: But the week day schedule sucks. That fact really makes it seem like they are trying to cut down on the number of small time mom and pop haunts that can attend. If that schedule isn't already written in stone, then they should seriously rethink it.

Nicole
01-26-2007, 11:53 PM
Also not too happy...

Pros - Yes... it iS a warmer climate and there's more to do in Vegas.

But - we're there to do business and we rarely have time to do other stuff anyway - and we're indoors most of the time... so we're going to be spending more money on travel getting out there because Chicago was closer... and have less money to purchase things.

Ruafraid
01-27-2007, 12:04 AM
I think that in addition to all the reasons already posted the "weekday" time means that the "really" dedicated "business" people will be there and its an attempt to "weed" out the smaller haunters that have "day" jobs and can't afford to take time off work or don't want to use "vacation" days for the show. I fall into the latter category as well so don't take it the wrong way. I go to Vegas many times for expos for my day job and it's a big move for sure. Change is inevitable for everything and nobody likes change at least on the front end. I plan on making a week of it since its right on my birthday and what better gift can I give myself ?

kpolley
01-27-2007, 01:03 AM
I was upset about the move for various reasons...but the move of the show from the weekend to the weekdays is just...well...it's not cool. I don't know what else to say. I think that TransWorld is really going to hurt their attendance with this. I'm very disappointed to hear this new bit of bad news. They may not keep the show in Illinois, but at the very least we might be able to pressure them into moving it back to a weekend. Let's band together...

Greg Chrise
01-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Once global warming kicks in a bit more and anyone in Las Vegas even going near a window bursts into flames, it will be back in Chicago. Maybe 2009? Sounds like they didn't make that reservation just yet and that is the only mistake I see.

It's like the more they can do to keep everyone bitching the more they get dynamic free advertising from the turmoil. Very clever.

drfrightner
01-27-2007, 02:51 AM
Kip,

I'm with you baby! I think moving the show to Vegas is a good idea, but having the show on weekdays is a REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA!

Moving the show to Vegas won't hurt the show at all...people will find excuses just to go to Vegas. Thats really not the issue...the issue will be having the show on weekdays. That will hurt!

Larry

RJ Productions
01-27-2007, 04:32 AM
Man you people can't make up your minds!

First you complain about TW being in Vegas as the weekend room rates will triple.....
Bow you find out the show is during the week so you will have the really CHEAP room rates and you complain the show is NOT on the weekend!!!

Think of it this way.... seminars and such are usually BEFORE the show right???
So now they would be on SATURDAY.
This means the "Weekend Warriors" could come in for the seminars, spend all Sunday on the trade floor and fly home Sunday night.

Face it, you can find a thousand reasons not to go whether the show is freezing in Chicago or balmy in Vegas. Those that need to be there will get there, period! I had a full time job, ran a second business with my wife, ran an association and STILL managed to go to every TW, I don't want to hear any more excuses.

This comes to mind......

There are people that MAKE things happen,
People that WATCH things happen,
and people who wonder "WHAT HAPPENED?"

So where do you fall?

hauntdaddy
01-27-2007, 06:35 AM
This will be the last TW show we go to then. With the limited funds we have, we do not have the money to fly across the country to go to a show. The Chicago show was relatively close and inexpensive for us.

Tattoo
01-27-2007, 09:03 AM
WOW!
Quite the thread going on here!

I don't think the move has anything to do with "weeding" anyone out. I spoke with Greg at TransWorld the other day and he told me that the first floor spaces are sold out. The Rosemont Convention Center can no longer provide the space needed for the show to grow and expand. The Halloween side of the show grows larger year by year. The Haunters area seemed alot smaller last year. I am sure there is open space upstairs where the Haunt area is located but let's face it, most people prefer to be downstairs for obvious reasons.

Will the show be missed in Chi-Town? Absolutely!
Is moving to Vegas a good or bad move? ONLY time will tell.

We plan on attending no matter where the show ends up or what days the show happens to fall on. We do the majority of our buying throughout the year at TW and HauntCon. If Haunting is a major part of your life and income, you will find the time and the money to attend any and every convention that suits your needs.

I think the move to Vegas offers alot more to a broader range of people, and Rich has stated some great points about the city. I look forward to the move and TW always gives you plenty of time to plan and make travel arrangements.

Until then, let's have a great time in Chicago (Rosemont) and we'll see you all soon!

Tattoo

Infoamtek
01-27-2007, 09:11 AM
Speaking as a vendor from California, I am delighted to see the show moving to Vegas. No more union goons losing your booth stuff. Plus, Sunday thru Thursday is when Vegas isn't jam-packed and the room rates are CHEAP! And to all those who did the old Vegas TW show, we can go back to Quark's and get wasted on Warp Core Breaches.

Baron Von Goolo
01-27-2007, 01:39 PM
I'm so stoked I think I just peed a little! Now my crew and I will be able to attend every year as opposed to, well, actually I never brought my crew because airfare and hotels to Chicago for just myself was a grand. Hell, I haven't been since 2002 because I couldn't justify the expense anymore. (No huge loss - staying in contact with my favorite vendors by catalog and phone has worked out just fine.)

I also think this will be a HUGE shot in the arm for the haunt culture on the West Coast. With the exception of Knott's Scary Farm, people don't seem to flock to haunts out here like they do east of the Mississippi: I don't think they know any better. I won't be a bit surprised if having TW in Vegas (even for just a few years) helps to bring up the quality and presence of haunting on the West Coast overall. If haunting in the West can start to match the quality and the popularity it has in the East, overall it's going to improve business for vendors and frankly, for IAHA as well.

Jessica Sammis
01-27-2007, 02:48 PM
So, I just wrote a long, well thought out, reply to this thread and when I hit submit, it disappeared. :x

So here's the short version:
Vegas good!
- For those of us who fly to both Chicago and Vegas, travel is easier and cheaper to LV!
- I used to vacation there every year, until I started my haunted travels. Now I get the best of both!

Vegas bad...
- For those of us with a gambling addiction and other indulgent weaknesses, holding business in LV is a lesson in restraint!

Overall, I am thrilled about Vegas '08!

Now, thinking more short term, this is my third time to Transworld Chicago, and perhaps the last, and I have yet to go to Raven's Grin Inn...an unfortunate fact that must be remedied this year! So, who's going this year?

Jess

lurker
01-27-2007, 02:56 PM
Quark's and get wasted on Warp Core Breaches.
Beam me up! I haven't been to Vegas since they got the Star Trek Experience, and my inter Trekkie has been looking for an excuse to get out there.
I still think the week day schedule isn't good, regardless of the cheaper room rates and smaller crowds.

Jessica Sammis
01-27-2007, 02:59 PM
Oh yeah, and the days off from work are the same. This year, I am taking Thursday and Friday off to attend two and a half days of the show + tours...next year it will be Monday and Tuesday. No big deal!

Jim Warfield
01-27-2007, 04:57 PM
I am going to The Ravens Grin Inn, I wouldn't miss it for the world!

Nicole
01-27-2007, 05:00 PM
I do agree with Larry (and with Adam... in a separate off-this-board conversation) regarding the fact that they scheduled the show in the middle of the week.

What in the HELL are they thinking?

To move the show to Vegas is one thing... but MOST if not all haunt-owners I know (or production team members like myself), all have day-jobs... and have to take off work.

I really am starting to think that TW is starting to try to weed us out and cater to the Universal-Disney, big-park haunts.

From a PR standpoint I don't think it was a smart move... especially if they are making such a big change - at least keep the show over the weekend! Geesh.

I like the atmosphere in Chicago - nowhere to go... let's stay-in/visit local haunts, network/talk haunts - it's become a better show and is just getting "established"! Too many distractions in Vegas. Chicago is tradition... hopefully it will comeback "home" in 2009. :)

Jim Warfield
01-27-2007, 05:03 PM
More bad news, Larry misunderstood, Transworld is moving to "Vegas", North Dakota!.

drfrightner
01-27-2007, 09:22 PM
Putting the show on weekdays is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea!

Moving the show to VEGAS is a REALLY REALLY good idea!

Haunted house owners for the most part have real jobs and I think will not attend if they're not heavy into haunting.

Moving the show to VEGAS will NOT hurt this show only help it. Everyone saying the opposite really doesn't understand how this will effect the show for the positive.

If you changed the dates of the Halloween show in Chicago to weekdays it would just as much effect the turnout of haunters.

Something to be very concerned about.

Larry

Greg Chrise
01-27-2007, 10:11 PM
I don't think being open only during the week is that bad. I don't think getting off of work is any different a commitment than a majority of travelers to the Chicago show had to make.

I'm wondering just what volume of haunts are in fact still charity events (not the obvious Jaycees and Kiwanas) but, the median haunts are not on salary from a charity and seeking ANY get-away haunt vacation is also dipping yet again into their pocket.

Now getting further from populations of haunts means burdening by number more groups?

Like you said before Larry, I'm in Texas and it is the same distance. Most people from Texas actually drove to Chicago some 19 or more hours. For charities however it becomes the decision of supporting the industry or making their event grow a bit.

At some point it should be realized that haunters aren't neccessarily rich. All these conventions are being supported for the love of the community. It isn't because everyone is from the Press on an expense account like the Consumer Electronics Show. The haunt part of the event has been dragged there by the party group it is connected to with no prior solicitation. So I guess the votes will come in after the show.

I do think the regional events will fill in more of a gap, this is what the bitching is. People have money but not jet set money and Chicago was conveneint to more maybe.

I would like to see a picture from Vegas with Larry and Linton wearing a suits. Just kidding. There is a normal course of people going to see Transworld and then having not to go to develop their events or having the finances to do both.

I'm no longer going to feel like a smuck because I can't do both. So there is the business opportunity. The Haunted Press reporting from the Haunted House Consumer Show catering to the growing masses of unqualified smucks. Now there will be even more of them.

Welcome to my club.

Nightgore
01-27-2007, 10:14 PM
I just know that I'll be there no matter what... I'm saving now! -Tyler

nocshroud
01-28-2007, 12:52 AM
wow

Barry
01-28-2007, 10:48 AM
Wow, just spent 30 minutes reading through all of these posts. :shock:

First, I want to say thank you for all of the kind comments about MHC. It is great to know that our reputation grows more each year.

Second, MHC is not going to move to Chicago in March :lol: One of the reasons for the success of MHC is the fact that we all live here in Columbus and are able to have a little more control over all aspects of the show.

Now for my thoughts on the move. I think it is great for Transworld even with the dates/days that they chose. It is a well known fact that they have wanted to move back to a more traditional show. That being more high-end buyers and less enthusiasts/lookers. Larry is exaclty right, if you are a larger haunt, you will still go. To this end, Transworld is achieving their goals with this move.

I cannot speak for for the other shows but MHC will continue to welcome all haunters. We do not look to compete with Transworld. We try to compliment their show with something different and with a different target audience. This is why our relationship with Transworld has always been great. We both understand what we are trying to achieve and, where we can, we try to help each other accomplish that.

I wish Gregg and the rest of the staff good luck on the move. I hope to see everyone next month and Vegas in '08!!

Kevin Dells
01-28-2007, 12:51 PM
I like Barry just spent a half hour reading and right off the bat i will say myself and Posse will not attend.
Lets get to the point of talking about Posse's the people everybody's trying to weed out first. Have we really hurt bussiness that bad, is your bussiness struggling that bad that a few extra catalogs is going to kill you! Cmon! Give me a non color brochure so i can at least see whats avaiable to me and quit your crying!

Why i attend with my posse which has totalled more than 25 a year.
Because every haunt has different talents, some people design sets, some costumes and characters, some build props, and some do make up.
I don't have one person that can do it all and i run with a 150+ staff so i bring them to see what's available and what we can buy this year.

RJ productions stated that a haunt owner dosen't make a decision of what to buy from their staff or Posse.WRONG! Very wrong! When my haunt owner bought 80 grand worth of props, animatronics and make up in 2004 WE made the decision not just him. He asked what WE thought and We all built it, i just wanted to point that out.
If we hadn't been standing next to our haunt owner in the Scare factory area would he have spent 18,000$ on the Slayer in 2002? I doubt it!

Im sure Kevin at Gore Galore is very happy we talked our owner into buying all three Bone Warrior costumes, if we weren't there to urge our owner into buying them they probably wouldn't have been bought at least not all three. When we saw the costumes we immediatley disscussed how they could be used and a room to use them in. We also bought props for that room from three other sellers as well! So keep in mind when you see us this year we are doing a LOT more than just swipping your literature for bathroom reading!

Nick and Brian from Wolfe Brothers have become very good freinds,why because my teenage posse spends hundreds in their booth every year on their make up paint! Can we afford their classes,NO. But they know us by name and even have a few of us on their website. So why do they know us so well because we buy their product because were haunters and we need their product and love it, do you think they have a problem with us,i don't think so!

How about the Theatrical Contact lense girls? Can't tell you how many pairs we have personally bought. I own 27 pairs myself and i know everybody in my crew owns multiple pairs.

So with that said, and again to bring up the fact that haunt owners do bring their crew with them. Is it really hurting your bussiness to hand us a brochure still?

Whats done is done and in my opinion it will hurt TW the haunters show.

I know for my crew and haunt this will make a huge difference. Scarlett i am going to apologize first before i write this. In my city of Rockford,Illinois we have three halloween stores. Two of them independent and one of them a Spirit. In my opinion our spirit is the worst excuse for a halloween store i have ever seen, it's ALL garbage!
There is NO way a haunt can run on the products they stock! I have been trying in vein to talk our haunt owner to opening our own store for two reasons.
1. To stock products people can actually use.
2. So we can employ people that know how the product they are selling is used!
I walked into one of the larger Spirits in the Chicago area desperatley trying to find Blood Powder, asked one of the minimum wage kids if they had any in stock. The look i got from him resembled this :shock: ! I then asked for the manager of this store, he said they didn't stock it and he had never heard of such a thing.
So i went to the make up area to see what they did have as i was short on Spirit gum. Whats sitting on the peg! You guessed it Blood powder,not one but 30 of them! So i got the manager to ring me up and asked for a drop of water from the water bottle sitting on the counter. Sprinkled a little blood powder on my palm and added a drop of water. The whole line behind me was ohhhing and ahhing, i ended up doing a make up seminar right there and then before i left. The manager asked if i would come work for him, when i explained my shortage of time with running a haunt he was more than happy to hand out my haunts voucher for my help.
The moral of this little story is i need a halloween shop in my town desperatley that knows what they stock, but more importantly is i wouldn't have know what the blood powder was if i hadn't attended TW and grabbed a brochure! So when you see us this year keep in mind we are buying if you are willing to sell and not just turn us away!

I would like to say Thank You to everybody that has been to Dream Reapers and Screamfest(2002) for the open houses. Another reason why i travel with a Posse, to entertain all the haunt owners after the show. It has been a tradition for all of us to book rooms, pack every costume we can dream up, and unload on your butts both nights for the past few years! Thank You again for attending and enjoying the show, your my favorite crowd to scare! Better than the October crowd actually and i will miss it dearly!
To everybody complaining about the money difference of hotels between Chicago and Vegas. Bally's ran my wife and I 220$ a night 10 years ago, im sure it's not that much cheaper than the Crowne who is offering a discount. We payed 130$ a room at the Crowne this year. If myself and teenage posse can afford it im sure everybodyelse can!

All i have to say at this time, except i am going to go put on my parka and enjoy the great outdoors like the whiner I am!
Oh and Barry you won't mind if i bring 25 up to your show will you?:: sarcasm::

professornightmare
01-28-2007, 05:05 PM
I think this is definately a step back, a big one. I think this will cause alot more separation in the industry than their already is. Chicago was a tradition and had a "magic" about it. It takes alot to establish something as a tradition or anual event. Think about if you moved your haunt every year? Not a good idea? The result..industry suppliers will have to re-evalute their customers, choose the show that works best for them and make use of the internet! I attend Chicago for many reasons, socialize, network, sell, buy and to share info with others in our very unique business. :(
I look forward to discussing this with many of you.
Professor Nightmare
aka John Denley
Boneyard Productions/SpookyWorld

drfrightner
01-28-2007, 05:57 PM
John,

I agree with you basically, however I think all of these things can be recaptured in Vegas as well.

One of the things I pointed out was that TW should make an effort to find ONE hotel to try and book haunters into. This would help a lot! That would be a start, now if you did that I don't think you'd lose a beat in terms of having the opportunties to do what we do/did in Chicago.

On the other hand I think most people would probably be more interested in seeing shows, hitting the town than hanging out in some hotel. I know for myself, I probably would be more interested in doing what you, Rich, and several others use to do...hit the town baby! Have fun!

In Vegas you can do that in Chicago its harder. There are pros and their are cons.

As a professional haunter you will be there with bells on. Change is always hard, and shocking at first.

But let me point this important fact out...

IAAPA which is the BIGGEST of the BIG tradeshows moves all the time, I've been to Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Atlanta and in two years IAAPA itself is going to VEGAS.

IAAPA moves around a lot and it doesn't seem to be a problem. Heck I hear people keeping saying this or that about Hauntcon...c'mon now thats a real laugh because Hauntcon moves from city to city each and every year, I hear no gripes about that one. Additionally Hauntcon doesn't have vendors, its not a buyers show, its an enterainment type of thing.

So now that the Halloween show is in Vegas it can now be a PROFESSIONAL show AND an ENTERTAINMENT show.

Don't see the harm in that.

Lastly, let me say the web has basically replaced Chicago anyway. Cell phones are now a dime a dozen, it costs nothing to call your friends a million miles away. People chat and hang out daily and chat on the web. Last but not least you have a million shows for the 'gathering' type feelings. Transworld is first and foremost a business to business show.

I'll be there! You will be there! And anyone really in the business will be there along with I'm SURE hundreds of others who are not! I don't think it will change as much as you think but yes something will.

Larry

Nightgore
01-28-2007, 06:10 PM
I know that I won't let TW book me into a hotel.. the "Globetrotter traveling" is like the MOST ridiculus agency ever! The prices are WAY too high. I will be making my own travel arrangements; But I'll be there! -Tyler

damon carson
01-28-2007, 06:17 PM
Ya forget a hotel I've got relatives. LOL! Not trying to rub it in or anything but thats the one thing about Vegas it would save a butt load on a hotel stay!
Damon

Ken Spriggs
01-28-2007, 06:20 PM
Well how would everyone feel about a Marchish gathering in Chicago area still?

Nightgore
01-28-2007, 06:22 PM
This also brings up the HW.com gathering in St. Louis. Is this still happening? -Tyler

Greg Chrise
01-28-2007, 08:10 PM
What's an entertainment show? I ain't never seen no show girls or magic acts? No haunted cork face tap dancing or ventriloquist acts?

All I've seen at smaller events are many of the same smaller vendors you see at Transworld or local to the smaller shows trying to make it at smaller venues? With smaller overhead?

All I've seen at smaller events are seminars by people who have a product or service to offer. I guess they are all unprofessional as well.

So there aren't any 20 foot $18,000 peices of latex flopping around in a dark zone. As a small customer I don't feel let down by this at all. I don't think these smaller vendors want to be considered unproffessional when in reality they are spending the money and going in some cases to ALL of the shows because that one Big Pro Show hasn't been the end all to be all for their products? Or they hope to be at the pro show in great demand one day?

So what happens at a pro show again? Guys in suits, really large latex, hookers and lots of big check writing?

Are you really sure what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?

I would think the top 13 haunts could all go there and write a check in one afternoon then hit the town in maybe two limos tops. It won't have to go on all week, at least tradeshow floor wise. If everyone used debit cards it could be done all in about 15 minutes. The most professional would be electronic transfer of funds directly from everyone's off shore accounts, individually with only proferred customers being invited over an Internet conference. Better yet the next level would be the big vendors flying the prospective buyers to their own show rooms and asked what it would take for them to buy today. Then there are limos and hookers and party favors if they say the right word and their account confirmation number comes up on the big screen. Only the big guys and one body guard each need to attend.

Oh yeah, and Elvis.

drfrightner
01-28-2007, 10:09 PM
There are so many gatherings now, I doubt if you had one it would draw many people, but people from your area for sure, but those same people would buy a ticket to your haunt in October...catch 22.

I think people really like gatherings and like when people hold them. Go for it!!!

As for a Hauntworld Gathering, you know I really need to hold one of these things and do it right someday. But yes we can have one again, no problem! Let me get my haunted house finished first, and secondly its VERY COLD here today.

On the subject of Chicago, if it stays as cold as it is now IM REALLY DREADING going to Chicago. It is butt ass cold here in St. Louis today...at or around zero.

Chicago is just as cold, cold, cold. 5's to 20's

Vegas warm, warm, warm. LOL 50's 60's

LOL


Anyway whenever we get close to getting our haunt done I'll announce something. We're trying to get it done before TW.

Larry

Greg Chrise
01-28-2007, 10:18 PM
If everyone sent their relatives to Vegas now, one way, they might be settled in enough to have a free place to stay when Transworld is there.

drfrightner
01-29-2007, 01:19 AM
Gregg,

Congrads, you posted the 100 reply! I think we broke a record!

Larry

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 01:24 AM
I don't think I have seen that anywhere.

I would like to thank my mother, all the little people, my dog. Thankyou, I will never forget this.

ClusterOne
01-29-2007, 03:13 AM
Wow, quite a little thread going here!

All the big conventions are in Vegas, all the big industries are in Vegas. I think it's time that the halloween/haunted attraction industry starts to get recognized as a substantial player out there. And moving our biggest show to Vegas is a great start!

SpFXChic
01-29-2007, 12:53 PM
Wow! So, I cheated, I skimmed all the pages of this thread. I have to agree with Empress, and say that I must be one of the 50% that is excited to see the show move. I might actually get a chance to attend it now. Vegas seems so much more affordable than Chicago, especially during that time of year. And it's much closer to home for me, as well. A one and a half hour flight or a 12 hour drive. Rooms are fairly cheap in Vegas and there are plenty of them.


Wouldn't it be great to have a Zombie Walk down the sidewalks of the strip?!

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 12:59 PM
It's not official until a Werewolf pees on a fire plug.

One of the seminars will be from the people at the Evellen Wood Speed Reading courses

Raycliff Manor
01-29-2007, 02:09 PM
I love the Zombie Walk idea SpfxChic!

Kel

xxxdirk
01-29-2007, 03:39 PM
Wow, as someone else says, I leave this forum for 7 days and the whole thing goes to hell. :P Anyway, my 2 cents... 1st, remember, this is a FREE event. There is NO admission, so we really can not bitch too much, unless you are an exhibitor, then I feel you have every right to contact TW and voice your displeasure.....
The prospect of a move has good and bad points.

Bad? It's new and we are all going to be lost with no Crowne to hang at. No Dreamreapers to visit
Perhaps several of us will not go so friends will be missed.
No wild parites on a Friday or Saturday.
On a selfish level, I am now gonna have to pay $300 for a flight out there.

Good? Cause we have no Crowne to hang at, we will just have to find a new bar to take over. :twisted:
Perhaps there will be new, fun haunts to visit.
We might just make some NEW friends? :shock:
We will have to party on (GASP) a weeknight. Maybe some will fly in Friday already and start the partying then?
$300? Oh well, a paid vacation to SIN city.

The one thing that does bother me is that it seems it makes more sense to have the convention in Chicago. It is kind of in the middle of the country and takes about the same amount of time for people from the east, west, and south to visit.

So in summary, yes, I would love to have it stay in Chicago, but perhaps there is some golden lining......


Ron

Jim Warfield
01-29-2007, 05:59 PM
All the posts concerning this subject seems to have gotten everyone thinking about whether or not it seems like a good idea , but what about if the venders were all aware of this thread? What would they be saying about the Transworld move to Vegas?
After the dust settles after next year's Vegas Transworld and everyone will have more information concerning if it was a really good idea or a not-so-good idea, then it will be interesting to see if everyone's opinion is still overly influenced by how close or how far they are located from either Chicago or Vegas.

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 06:58 PM
I thought of the vendors the other day. Is the booth space more?

How many customers come to the haunt show in Chicago?

You know to really have all the answers we will have to keep this thread going for a whole year. The number of posts might rival please submit your alien abduction stories HERE.

drfrightner
01-29-2007, 08:02 PM
More big news concerning the Vegas show...

First off according to TW the first day of the show is SUNDAY...this is good. According to TW hotels are too exensive on weekends, everything is cheaper on weekdays.

Makes a lot of sense.

So I think people can come in on Saturday, do the whole show on Sunday and maybe take off work on Monday fly home on Monday. I think everything would be fine that way.

Additionally it seems the haunt show will run along with another amusement show...so now you'll get double bang for your buck.

More on that coming soon!

This might bring in additional buyers for the haunt vendors.

Larry

Haunted Illinois
01-29-2007, 09:56 PM
First off according to TW the first day of the show is SUNDAY...this is good. According to TW hotels are too exensive on weekends, everything is cheaper on weekdays.

Makes a lot of sense.

So I think people can come in on Saturday, do the whole show on Sunday and maybe take off work on Monday fly home on Monday. I think everything would be fine that way.

Personally, I think it would be better benefit Haunters if it were held on a weekend. It would give people more time to spend at the show. Since this new show is supposed to be bigger and better than what was in Chicago, attendees will definitely need more than just one day to absorb everything, especially if they want to take the time to take pictures, talk to vendors about products, check out additional activities in Vegas, etc.

And Larry, you have said three times in this thread that having the Vegas show scheduled as-is would be a bad thing. For example:


Now that is a good point to bring up... I don't like the show being on weekdays thats for sure. That sucks big time!

Most haunters have a real job. Taking off work is a tough thing.

Larry


Kip,

I'm with you baby! I think moving the show to Vegas is a good idea, but having the show on weekdays is a REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA!



Putting the show on weekdays is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea!

...If you changed the dates of the Halloween show in Chicago to weekdays it would just as much effect the turnout of haunters.

Something to be very concerned about.

Hmmmm. At first it was bad, now it's good? What changed between now and three days ago?


Additionally it seems the haunt show will run along with another amusement show...so now you'll get double bang for your buck.

This will also bring in additional buyers for the haunt vendors.

Yes, I saw the original URL you posted online, before you removed it from your post. And my quote was what you originally posted.

That may bring in a handful of extra buyers, but probably not too many. The ASI Show (Amusement Showcase International) is a show of vendors featuring coin-operated amusements (per their website: video games, pinball machines, jukeboxes, pool tables, foosball games). I fail to see how that will bring in extra customers to Haunt vendors. Would owners of arcades or sports bars really have any interest in Haunted House props?

Don't get me wrong, in some ways I'm actually warming up to the idea of the show being in Vegas. I just am not sure that it will benefit Haunters as much as is being presented here.

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 10:12 PM
The cross over of the amusement "coin" game industry is easy. FEC parks and haunted houses go together and where they aren't now should be. Push the bumber cars out of the way and put up a haunted house and the same people that think the lazer tag is cool will love a haunted house. Same purveyors. The only thing is that technically this not a quick sell as per square foot a coin or token game makes more than a haunted attraction. At least if the location is profiting. This is an opportunity for FECs to enter the off season market. They need us.

Versa vice, if not an immediate hit, this begins the exposure to whole new markets for haunted attractions to be just as called for as a lazer tag arena. Not enough of them are wildly successful yet when approach on an individual basis. It has to do with the locations having been on the down trend anyhow. What if haunts were installed in the up trend like a normal thing? The market is bigger.

I think this element is worth supporting the Vegas link now. I have watched all these post wondering how pathetic that everyones favorite convention is being dragged around the country by a balloon show.

Now I'm seeing something with potential for anyone that does anything to do with haunted houses.

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 10:18 PM
If this is what you can make an income from, it doesn't matter what day of the week it is. It's a job.

Now that is entertainment.

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 10:25 PM
I would like to announce that I will be making the 200th post as well.

Thankyou.

Greg Chrise
01-29-2007, 11:29 PM
Possible bad news for Vendors. Union jurisdiction at the convention center.

http://www.asi-show.com/pdfs_07/exhibitors/UNION%20RULES%20%20JURISDICTION.pdf

Kevin Dells
01-30-2007, 06:06 AM
Ha, Right back where we started from. I hate the union,been non union for 30 years and love the fact i can take my lunch at anytime of the day, and a company vehichle is a great perk too!

Aren't a whole lot of union guys that can build this either.
This is how i make my living.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h126/babyman1/main189.jpg
Sorry about it being sideways i rotated it but the tag didn't accept it.
Backside photo

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h126/babyman1/main194.jpg

xxxdirk
01-30-2007, 10:49 AM
Thats beautiful Kevin. I love big spiral staircases!

Infoamtek
01-30-2007, 11:54 AM
They were a damn good band.

drfrightner
01-30-2007, 12:48 PM
Adam,

You act as if you're some kind of private investigator or know it all. I don't need you to correct me... I know what I said.

But the fact is the show isn't all on the weedays, and yes now that I learn the show starts on a Sunday I'm a lot happier. People can come in on a Sunday and stay on a Monday. I think that is what will happen.

I did not and do not like the idea that the show isn't on a weekend. But Sunday is technically one of the TWO days people have off. I think that will be good enough. You watch people will take off Monday from work, they'll show up in Vegas on Saturday and leave Monday night.

See the HAUNT show won't take long, seeing the Halloween show not as long as you think. In one day you can cover the whole show no problem but people will stay TWO DAYS.

Adam you act like a know it all but you really don't know anything...

Fact is this won't be any different than it is now...Everyone now goes home on Sunday... they really only spend TWO days at the show, which is exactly what they'll do now. ONE DAY is all you really need if you're a haunter, if you are a Halloween retailer you need the whole show. A haunter ONE DAY!

Look Adam everything you say won't mean a thing...the show like it or not is moving to VEGAS! We'll see you there!

Larry

BTW: In case you didn't catch my post on this subject, I think it was 44% of ALL my customers came from Illinois! Thought you might like to know that! See ya!

drfrightner
01-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Adam,

I see I miseed answer or responding to one of your questions...

An amusement show can bring in FEC, small amusement operators, bowling alley owners, etc. Thats why!


Secondly let me remind you I changed my opinion to some degree because we WERE all wrong the show starts on SUNDAY its NOT all on a weekday. Thats why I had a change of heart... I think its okay not the best but okay now.

FAST FACTS:

Vegas

1) Its warm
2) Tourist Spot
3) Tons of things to do
4) Cheaper hotels
5) NO UNIONS
6) Will draw more qualified buyers than cold Chicago (due to party town)
7) IAAPA even moves to Vegas in 2009 (that should tell you something)
8) Travel in and out of Vegas is CHEAP
9) Able to hook up with other amusement shows
10) Vegas is the convention capital of America (why, figure it out, read above).
11) Unlimited Convention space

Chicago (FEB)

1) COLD COLD COLD
2) Nothing to do
3) Major amusement parks have skipped TW for years, no reason to come to Chicago too cold.
4) The UNIONS in Chicago are expensive and abusive to vendors product
5) Hotels are out of control expensive
6) Travel into Chicago has been interupted many times due to snow storms, ice storms and worse.
7) The convention center is no longer big enough for the Halloween industry (thats a good thing)
8) Not many places to eat


Chicago has many plus on its side such as:

1) Tradition
2) Central location

But to be honest thats about it.

When you weigh the plus and minus Vegas wins out. Period.

This is what's funny... for years people cried about how expensive the hotels are, and yes they are way too expensive. We've heard people complain about how difficult it has been to get to Chicago if the weather was bad, we've heard people say move the show to a place warmer, and no doubt Vendors have been screaming about those Unions and their fees.

Now its changed. To tell you the truth people got what they asked for.

Now we'll see if it works!

Larry

Ken Spriggs
01-30-2007, 01:45 PM
Larry I don't have the time to blow holes through most of what you just posted.

WHO CARES THE SHOW IS MOVING.....in 2008 TW will have it's worst turnout in years.

I don't have to be Hanfadomous to see what is going to happen.

xxxdirk
01-30-2007, 02:07 PM
AUUUGHHHHH all you whimps that keep whining about the cold in Feb-March, grow a pair will you! Geesh it's not like you are having to walk around outside for an extended period. You get out of your cab, walk 3 feet to the door of the convention center and thats it. Worse case you park in the ramp across the street and walk to the center. The way you make it talk you are setting up your haunt outside and are working in the elements. I mean, next week they are talking about wind chills of -9 or so sure but by that weekend, it could be back up to a balmy 35 or so......

Matt Marich
01-30-2007, 03:28 PM
Also an added plus Larry is legalized Prostitution just miles outside the city and some of the finest Adult Entertainment in the world. Hmmm..., Haunters and Hookers, on second thought, maybe not such a good idea, forget I posted.

Matt

MMManiac
01-30-2007, 05:45 PM
xxxdirt im with you! Bring on the -9 weather. (All I know is in October in WI it can get pretty cold. Even with heaters going in my haunt it's COLD! I feel bad for some of my costumed actors who don't have on much.) Even if TW moves to Vegas we have the Midwest Haunters Show and who's to say someone wont develope their own show in WI or IL... (That last line was ment for Tattoo)

Sean

drfrightner
01-30-2007, 08:51 PM
Ken,

There is nothing to blow holes through... facts are facts!

Look let me say I agree that the attendance may be down slightly, because we might lose BUS loads of people who don't buy anything anyway.

You know actually we're just going to see a switch from the bus loads of non buyers from the east coast to the non buyers from the west coast.

There is NO doubt that more people from the WEST coast will now attend, and ANYONE who owns a haunt from the east coast will attend. Due to the show being in Vegas more amusement facility owners may now attend, I don't think you'll see a decrease in sales, but maybe overall attendance but that isn't a bad thing.

Its like my friend in Kansas City once said to me...


He raised his price in the middle of the season to $20.00 and I was LIKE what in the HELL did you do... didn't you lose a bunch of customers.

He said Larry what would you rather have 40,000 people at $15.00 or 30,000 people at $20.00? When you add up the numbers the end gross is the same...

He said... I'll take 30,000 and 10,000 less headaches.

Same money, just less problems.

Larry

Jim Warfield
01-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Because the actual numbers are not made public, nobody except the people who are Transworld really know how that show is doing from year to year. Is it my business to know? No.
Positive propaganda is a fact of the business of promoting anything, "How is your business doing?"
"Great! Fantastic!"
I don't know? Most people I know and businesses have suffered since 9-11.
I can easily see Transworld suffering as many trade shows have gone the way of the Doe-doe bird since on-line shopping.
If you have a business and the business takes a decided dip, for whatever reason, you had better be trying to fix it somehow and maybe that is what Vegas is all about, nothing more. It's called survival.
If someone had a hidden nasty agenda to make Transworld-Chicago fail, just keep moving the date up the calender to discourage travel to Chicago. Wasn't Transworld once at the end of March?
It would be as predictable as sitting on a freshly painted park bench.
"Gee!? My pants now have paint on them?"
"Gee? Northern Illinois is cold in the winter months?"
But then maybe Transworld was forced to have Feb. this year?

Dusti
01-31-2007, 12:50 PM
Another thought...

Conventions and trade shows don't change venues overnight. I'm very curious as to when the move to Vegas was actually decided upon, and what exactly prompted the decision. Was it not being able to get the traditional March weekend at Rosemont for '07? A financial decision based on which city is the easier to use to host a trade show/convention?

The press release I want to see would include an honest breakdown of what decisions were made when and for what reason.

I don't actually think it's a decision based on the desire to chase haunters away. TW has (IMO) put too much energy into catering to haunters with things like the Haunters' Pavilion and hosting their own costume ball for me to believe they're not haunt-friendly.

That said, of **course** this will affect attendance in '08. Contrary to what's been posted in this thread, *not* every haunt owner attends TW Chicago, for all kinds of valid reasons. The move will (I suspect) pump up attendance at MHC (which is a dang good "mini-TW" of sorts), and Hauntcon (and, really, let's support the industry events we already HAVE rather than talking about starting up MORE, shall we?), and possibly IAAPA (which is still where I think we as an industry fit in better than at TW).

As for lack of things to do: The Fangoria con (http://www.fangoria.com/special_events.php) looks to be WELL worth checking out, with lots of potentially overlapping guests - I know some of the people listed as Fangoria guests have attended TW in the past, and personaly I think having both events the same weekend is quite wonderful. (I wish they had a schedule posted - I'd love to run over and see Voltaire!)

(ETA: More details here: http://www.creationent.com/cal/fangochi.htm)

Greg Chrise
01-31-2007, 02:22 PM
It would have to do with Transworld not owning the convention centers?

I don't know if they are in competition with other event orgainizers?

Or other events paying more to have the right schedule?

Or perhaps Transworld is movin on up and taking this event to Vegas?

Maybe the Douglas center is scheduled for a big remodel?

All I know is no one asked me.

I'm sure if it was considered a sucky event it would not be anymore.

Jim Warfield
01-31-2007, 06:40 PM
When you built on a swamp you always dug less. (Or rather not at all!)

Bonesaw
02-01-2007, 02:00 AM
WooHoo!!!!

Great news!!!! Of course, I am only one hour by air so the news rocks for me. But it is true, it is the convention capital of the world for good reason.
Give it a chance. After getting there, it is so much more convenient & fun!!!

I can't wait! I have that town so dialed in. I am the King of Vegas!
Hope to see ya all there!

Jim Warfield
02-01-2007, 08:34 AM
So you are the King. Then the rest of us are the Jesters?
I personally could handle that task, it might not go well with some others though......
Answer me this King, just what are those "Ladies-In-Waiting" waiting for?
Do they all still congregate on the street corner and the truck stop parking lots?
What is the difference between a Duke and an Earl?
Duke is Earl's dog?
Can you tell one of the King's Henchmen just by the way they walk?
Step-Hench-step-hench-step-hench. Carrying a concealed sword in your pants was tricky, especially if it was a broad sword, and why such a big heavy sword just for a Broad? They move quicker than that, use a raphier on them, my suggestion.
Did the word "Dungeon" actually come from what that room was filled with? "Dung"? (Just my guess?)
"Castle", Hard "K" sound for "King", the rest tells alot about the big guy living there, owning the place? " Astle"?
I might be Andy Roonie's relative, oh no!

brad
02-01-2007, 11:29 AM
This will be my third year to go to TW. Now having done a haunt for thew first time. So you could have classified me as a horror fan, and not a haunt operater. I live in Texas, and Larry is right. To me theres virtually no difference in going to Chicago or Vegas. Chicago is fearkin cold to me Vegas is perfect temp. Yeas I feel that the haunters feel in Chicago will be lost for the first year or 2, but, there are plenty of places to mingle in Vegas. We can all take over another Hotel bar. There's enough choices in Vegas to do so. The Crown bar was about the only good choice for us in Chicago, but theres so much variety in Vegas, we WILL find another place to hang out. It might be rough for the first year or 2, but it will move on, cause there's enough stuff to keep the ball rolling IMO.

Tattoo
02-01-2007, 11:36 AM
No where has it been said that the move to Vegas is a permanent one, perhaps they are testing the waters?

If you want to get in on the bets, I will have a board with me at the Crowne EVERY NIGHT!

I'll bet this one pays off big time!

MMManiac
02-01-2007, 06:26 PM
Count me in tattoo.. Buy the way I wanna buy you a drink in chicago. Keep an eye out for me

Sean

Frighteners Entertainment
02-01-2007, 08:06 PM
I look forward to a nicer climate to attend, though, now I have to fly, but this gives my wife a little something else to do, it's Vegas!
I'm thinking that the overall cost will be just slightly more that what we've been paying for the last 6-7 yrs.

Jim Warfield
02-01-2007, 09:53 PM
It can take some money to keep a wife entertained.

stafford
02-01-2007, 11:21 PM
It makes no difference where the show is, if your serious about your business you will be there.

In my opinion, the show will see increased attendance not only from plenty of qualified buyers who will make it a mini vacation, but for the following reason as well.

We've attended Transworld every year in Chicago and until this year none of our staff had seriously expressed an interest in going, no offense intended but partly because it's Chicago in Feb/March. However, now that they know the show will be in Vegas we already have staff making plans for it. I think you'll see plenty of haunted house staff/actors use it as an excuse to go to Vegas.

Most people who attend Transworld have to fly, I don't think you'll find a cheaper city to fly to from most anywhere in the country. As far as cheap hotels, I don't think you'll find a city with more options either. Even some of the cheaper hotels in Vegas have to be nicer and better kept than the Crowne Plaza.

Oh, and did I mention its Vegas!

Nicole
02-03-2007, 10:36 PM
I look forward to a nicer climate to attend,

You mean you won't miss this? ((Just cut and pasted from the lead story "30 below windchill Chicago" on Drudge)):


* Statement as of 8:39 PM CST on February 03, 2007 *


... Wind Chill Advisory remains in effect until 9 am CST /10 am
EST/ Tuesday...

Bitterly cold temperatures will drop into the 5 below to 15 below
zero range overnight... with the coldest temperatures north of
Interstate 80. Gusty west winds of 15 to 20 mph will continue to
diminish tonight... but the combination of the bitterly cold
temperatures and the wind will allow for frigid wind chills as low
as 25 below to 30 below zero tonight. Temperatures will only rise
to around the zero degree mark on Sunday for areas north of
Interstate 80... and from zero to 5 above zero south of Interstate
80. West winds will becoming gusty again on Sunday with daytime
wind chills of 20 below to 30 below zero. Bitterly cold air
temperatures and blustery winds will continue to keep wind chills
in this range through Tuesday morning.

... and myself, Ron, Terror on the Fox Gang, etc... all live NORTH of Chicago - they don't call it the frozen tundra for nothing!!!!

PS: GO BEARS!!!

xxxdirk
02-04-2007, 11:07 AM
Just checked the weather. Right, now at 11am, -10 w/o the windchill. Close to -35/-40 with. :shock: Now, I have to leave and go do a magic show in an hour which means unloading & loading back up in the elements. Fortunately, it is just a basic show, so my load ins for those only take 10 minutes. Then I am gonna go home, turn on the TV and watch the Superbowl. Speaking of football, did you know that when the Pack played the Cowboys in the famous Ice Bowl in the 60's it was -70 windchill :shock: :shock: :shock: And that was back before when people had the great thermal jackets and undies. I laugh whenever I see footage of that game and you see some ladies in the stands in just basic jackets. I wonder how much of that footage was from the 1st few minutes of the game and then they spent the rest in the car in the parking lot!!

Nicole
02-04-2007, 12:20 PM
Don't let those bunnies that you pull out of the hat freeze! :) Have a great show and warm up with Da Bowl and a hot toddy. Yum!

Speaking of the Ice Bowl - My husband dragged me to the Packer Hall of Fame last year (actually, it's well done and pretty cool), and they have one section dedicated to "The Ice Bowl!"

PS: The Lombardi Trophy room was the best - the theatrics/lighting/projectoin effects were subtle, but very moving - people whispered in there - it was like church!

Kevin Dells
02-04-2007, 03:39 PM
Im telling you i feel really bad for the dogs today! My beagle had to keep switching feet to poop! It was entertaining as hell! Usually don't watch my dog poop but this was funnny while excrutiating all at the same time!

So Ron you guys got Favre for one more year huh? Glad to hear it, i like Brett i just wish his Jersey was blue and orange! Man i didn't say that outloud did I? lol

And Nicole, give your sweetie a kiss for me today and tell him it's from another bear fan! Hah!

Jim Warfield
02-04-2007, 05:33 PM
I changed the message on my answering machine to make mention of the impending cold temps forecast for tonight and telling people to stay home.
Yesterday and last night I had a total of 24 paying customers go through here, even though the temp. /wind-chill was -20!
So, tonight a few people wearing only t-shirts on their upper bodies will probably show up here! (It has happened lately)
Yesterday I had to spend alot of time in the cold doing these events here for those people, I really wonder "Why"? I would rather be alot more comfortable.

imax
02-04-2007, 07:39 PM
Jim, for us, it's just not the 'grin without the cold!


-- I

drfrightner
02-08-2007, 08:49 PM
I was reading on the Hauntworld Yahoo group that plane tickets from Philly to Vegas is HALF the price of Philly to Chicago. Just food for thought!

Larry

Haunted Illinois
02-08-2007, 09:43 PM
Not sure where they got that deal, but I just checked Expedia.com and the plane fair from Philly to Las Vegas was on average one hundred dollars more than Philly to Chicago. More food for thought! :roll:

Nicole
02-08-2007, 10:14 PM
I'm too tired and too lazy to look this up... what's the airfare going for from Chicago to Vegas for all of us losers stuck here in da home of da Bears? Something tells me it ain't cheap.

I remember seeing ads every once and awhile like $64/each way to Vegas? What happened to those days? JetBlue is supposed to be cheap - I looked them up last week for Chicago to Vegas and it was like $350 r/t? WTF?!?!

xxxdirk
02-08-2007, 10:31 PM
Not sure about Chicago- Sin city, but about $500 from the airport in my town there

Jim Warfield
02-08-2007, 10:59 PM
I found a deal for Larry K. only $250 leaving from Tipton, Missouri to California 25 days later you will be in there....this deal was a deal in the 1850's, of course $250 back then is said to have been equal to $3,000 in today's dollars.
1,100 miles bouncing in a stagecoach, non-stop for 25 days.
John Butterfield's Overland Mail Co.

drfrightner
02-09-2007, 02:03 AM
Adam,

I'm just telling you what Randy Bates said, on the Hauntworld Yahoo Group... I guess it depends on dates you choose, return dates and more.
Too bad the show is STILL moving! LOL

BTW, Adam, did you get my note that 44% something percent of MY customers came from Illiniois last year. We tracked it through a coupon program on our website.

Didn't know if you caught that or not!

Larry

Haunted Illinois
02-09-2007, 05:35 AM
I'm too tired and too lazy to look this up... what's the airfare going for from Chicago to Vegas for all of us losers stuck here in da home of da Bears? Something tells me it ain't cheap.

I remember seeing ads every once and awhile like $64/each way to Vegas? What happened to those days? JetBlue is supposed to be cheap - I looked them up last week for Chicago to Vegas and it was like $350 r/t? WTF?!?!

Nicole, looking online I've found tickets from O'Hare to Vegas in the range of $250-$450, depending on departure dates and which airline you choose. It seems you can find affordable hotels, but you'd have to stay a pretty good distance from "the strip". I did a little checking and if you want anything closer, it'll cost you more than Chicago hotels.

jack
02-09-2007, 03:36 PM
Sad really.

Oh the weather'll be nicer, but the feel will definately be different.

And, I've gotta say it--why does everything have to move toward the coasts? Shipped from NY, shipped from Cally. Wanna good lingerie show? California or Vegas--that works. But Halloween?

Bet there's more haunts east of the Rockies than west of them.

And I like Vegas.

Know what'd be good? If it moved around. Like Worldcon.

drfrightner
02-09-2007, 04:01 PM
Adam,

The show is on weekdays I found out for a reason...hotesl are cheaper. When search for Vegas hotels look for those dates, the dates of the show and see what you find. Lets keep apples to apples. Furthermore I just stayed in Vegas and booked at the last minute, stayed at Harrahs.

I paid around 190.00 per night and I was on the strip. Had I booked a lot early I could have stayed for half that amount.

Larry

drfrightner
02-09-2007, 04:09 PM
Adam,

I don't know what site you looked on but I went to HOTELS.com and found deals listed below. You can stay all over the strip for as little as $40.00.

Larry



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Matt Marich
02-09-2007, 07:10 PM
Larry, Just a few notes on your Hotel List. We always stay at the Orleans its very cool, has a movie theater, Bowling Alley and many Restuarants. We also like the Rio, best buffet in town and really cool FREE evening Mardi Gras show in the cielling! We have had very bad expierences with the Circus Circus, they bait and switch rooms often. But our grand favorite is still the NY,NY. Great selection of food, neat atmosphere, NY style Pizza and Del Monico's!

Don't forget all the free shows, Treasure Island, Excalibur, Bellagio Fountains, Walking the shops at the Paris or Ceasar's, The mountain at the Mirage is cool too! The best show for the money? Lance Burton, its a steal!

Matt

Nicole
02-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Wow Larry - thanks for posting those - I know alot of haunters appreciate that. If we go we're going to try to get on of our timeshares in the area... I just hope we can find low airfare... JetBlue just isn't as cheap as I thought it was.

drfrightner
02-10-2007, 02:15 AM
Nicole,

Southwest Airlines goes in and out of Vegas every five seconds. I always try and fly SWA first and foremost!

Larry

Nightgore
02-10-2007, 07:09 AM
^ Holy crap, I didn't know that... every 5 seconds! Wow! I guess I'll be flying SWA! -Tyler

MMManiac
02-10-2007, 01:27 PM
SWA is a nice airline and cheap, but.... they dont fly north of chicago so us Wisconsin folk would have to drive to chicago to get those deals. Although I thought I saw some cheap deals to fly out of GB to Vegas... I'll have to check on that.

xxxdirk
02-10-2007, 02:13 PM
Sean and anyone in the Greenbay area,

Just for kicks I priced ticketys from Austin Strauble in Greenbay. Looking at THIS years fees, same weekend, American Airlines, leaving Fri coming back Wed $298..... Not too bad, but we will have to see what happens to prices when it gets closer...

Ron

Nicole
02-10-2007, 02:44 PM
Larry, Thanks for the SWA tip - driving to Chicago for those of us in S.E. WI isn't bad at all - Chicago is only 45min. from Milwaukee. We hope to decide by the end of March if we're going - if we can get into one of our timeshares and then get a good airline deal it won't be so bad! :)

drfrightner
02-10-2007, 03:04 PM
I looked up just radom dates with more than 30 days notice... you can book flights as cheap as $109.00 each way from Chicago to Vegas.

I'd say thats pretty cheap!

Larry

Frighteners Entertainment
02-10-2007, 06:01 PM
Larry, just want to say thanks for the updates.
It appears that you got the information before a couple of the biggest vendors I buy from.

Barry
02-11-2007, 11:17 AM
Not that it is relavent now because prices/packages will change inm a year but it will cost us about $300-500 more to go to Vegas. Airfare is $100 per person more expensive and for the dates of the show hotels will be $50-75 more per night with what I am seeing.

Jim Warfield
02-11-2007, 07:40 PM
If I owned two haunted houses say, 30 miles apart and were operating for say, 20 years, and Haunt "Raven" did very well every year, yet haunt "Grin" did poorly no matter what I tried to do to improve it...why would I close down haunt "Raven", the best one, and keep the poor one "Grin" open?
I was always told that the Transworld-Vegas show was a small, miserable cripple compared to Transworld -Rosemont.
This has once again merely been the veiwpoint from behind the cornfields any resemblance to any corn weevils living or dead is purely coincidental.

Greg Chrise
02-13-2007, 01:08 AM
Just checkin in, did I leave my lighter here? Nope, Thanks, see ya.

drfrightner
03-10-2007, 03:54 AM
Okay... back to this topic.

Now that Chicago TW is OVER... how does everyone feel about the show moving next year?

When you stop and think about it, we beat this subject over the head prior to the show. Maybe now we can beat it over the head now that the show is over. Did you feelings change? Are you looking foward to the move?

How do you feel now?

Did the snow storm, ice storm, getting stuck in Chicago or any of that change your mind?

I heard mixed things... lets open up this discussion again.

Let me hear ya!

Larry

MMManiac
03-10-2007, 11:36 AM
I still liked Chicago better. Granted i never been to Las Vegas and probley would enjoy it just as much, I just like being able to drive rather then have to fly. Partially because im in North East Wisconsin and when I think of haunted houses I think of cold, errieness and I think you would lose that in Vegas. I think its going to be less about haunts and more about partying. Just my opinion but we'll see how 2008 goes.

Sean

Grimley
03-11-2007, 12:51 AM
We are new to the forums but have to say we look forward to the move to Vegas. We have gone to TW the last three years and the weather has sucked every year. This year cost us an extra $500.00 as most of the flights were canceled on Sunday and some of our people got stuck in the airport an extra 36 hours. There is nothing to do with down time and there is nowhere to go.

Vegas has entertainment waiting downstairs in every hotel on the strip. You can catch one of 100 different shows and not have to pay an arm and a leg for a taxi every time you want to go somewhere. Because we are an online company and place all of our orders at the show we would fly to Hawaii if TW went there. We love our jobs, the show, and the people and would not miss it for the world. Maybe by being closer to the West coast we will get a chance to meet a whole new crowd. And I don't think the attendance will suffer as everyone we spoke to at HW was looking forward to the move. The die hard lovers of Halloween will be there.

Corey
Lord Grimley's Manor

Jim Warfield
03-11-2007, 02:10 AM
Of course the weather was bad in Feb. in northern Illinois, it almost always is! Duh?
Today, March 10th, it was 50 degrees and more? sunny, beautiful, but then it was MARCH not FEB.! That is sort of how weather usually works.
If Transworld was scheduled in April the odds of nice weather gets even higher, that's how it works!
Was Feb. chosen for this last Transworld because the Feb. rent is cheaper?
HHMM???
I doubt very much if I will be in Vegas next year.
If Vegas wants me they will have to come and git me!
(but I can also hide real good.)

damon carson
03-11-2007, 10:40 AM
Well considering how things were this only being able to attend the show for one full day. Mainly due to lack of a babysitter for the weekend. But luckily finding one to get away for that day. I could never drive to Vegas and be back in 24hrs like going to Chicago. I will miss it being in Chicago. After attending many years it sure will be different next year. If I do attend next years show it will be a blast I know. I mean Vegas is cool, my family lives there too. So it will be a nice trip altogether. So Im looking forward to it being in Vegas. But it being in Chicago it will be greatly missed by me and Im sure others! And look how nice the weather was the year before 70 degrees ect. It would probably been that this year to or at least better than it was in February.
Damon

creature
03-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Oh man...Can't wait for the show to be in vegas!! Airfare is cheap, food is cheap, and there's tons to do!! And there will be no snow!! I go to vegas a few times a year to visit friends as well as go to trade shows there, and I love it, the best thing is every time I go there's more stuff to do and see-they are constantly building out there.
Quite a few of my crew are excited to go and tell their girlfriends/wives that they have to go to vegas on "business" haha... seriously though vegas is THE place for tradeshows. Since I go out there alot I'm constantly bombarded by email and regular mail with cheap hotel rates for luxxor, excalibur, mgm grand-way cheaper than the rooms are in chicago. And for the price you pay for drinks at the crowne in chicago you can practically get your own VIP room at pure for the night! add on top allthe good shows and clubs to go to and it's sure to be a blast!!
Only downside is going to be trying to drag myself out of bed early to go to the show!!!!!

-Tim

Jim Warfield
03-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Do the show's venders really want there to be "So many other things to do?"
This has been debated before.

Empressnightshade
03-11-2007, 03:51 PM
Do the show's venders really want there to be "So many other things to do?"
This has been debated before.
Prodigal children ALWAYS venture back home. :wink:

Jim Warfield
03-11-2007, 07:20 PM
Yes but are they the ones who come home because they ran out of money? Needing their Father to take them back into the fold even after they squandered their inheritence? Just asking.
"Did you pawn that pretty coat you left here with?"

Frighteners Entertainment
03-11-2007, 07:28 PM
It's too much like work...bad weather, wife hates it...

Give me the sun and something for my wife to do while I bargain away my savings....

I welcome the change and scenery!

Kevin Dells
03-11-2007, 07:32 PM
Not to argue but Larry there is NO WAY Bally's is going to give you a room for 83 dollars.

My wife and i stayed at Bally's 12 years ago when she was a travel agent with her travel card and it still cost us 75$ for taxes, annuitys and all the other crap they throw into the mix.

Again not to argue but to just point out the obvious. People have been talking about all the other fun things to do while in Vegas and i agree there are tons of things to do and see.

I wonder just how much time buyers will actually stay at the TW show with all the extra hoopla. If i were going, i would walk into the show, check out the new items for the year and get out to enjoy everything else there is to do.
To me this is an awful bussiness practice, you want to keep potential customers in your store until they buy right? Why put more stores next to you?
In Chicago with our beautiful weather at least we snowed you in until you bought something!! Now thats smart bussiness, you can't leave until you buy! LOL

Jeez, put me in a warm weather climate when theres snow on the ground back home and trust me i"ll be at the pool with a margarita in my hand,NOT on a show floor wishing i had better shoes.
See where im going with this?

Yeah i know it's a real catch 22 but it's the truth. Your going to lose customers....period!

Im going to say this now and hopefully a year from now you all laugh at me for everyones good.

The buyers will love it as they get a mini vacation and the vendors are going to be kicking thier own butts for ever thinking about it . Money will be lost!

creature
03-11-2007, 08:27 PM
The way I see it is that if you truly run a haunt "Business" you will be there. Sure some of the home haunters won't be able to make it, but then again the vendors are there to sell product and stay in business, not have their booths filled with lookie-loos who walk around with an entourage of ten people and don't buy anything. If you in fact run your haunt as a sucessful business, you can't afford NOT to go. I am also in the swimming pool and hot tub business, and we have quite a few trade shows throughout the year that move all over from Vegas to orlando to Atlantic City and on and on. Do I go to all of them? YES. This is part of business. It is a business expense-these shows are used to find new products, deal with companies you already deal with and buy product for the new year, and essential to groe your business and STAY in business.
Unfortunately some hobbyists won't be able to make it. Will that break any of the vendors hearts? I doubt it. But if you try to run your haunt as a sucessful business or are looking to get in the business and learn as much as you can, you will not miss the show. I'd really like to hear how many Major haunt owners are not going to be able to make the show. I doubt any will miss it.

My two cents....

-Tim Bunch

Frighteners Entertainment
03-11-2007, 08:32 PM
Very true...I have no choice. My wife is really liking the move though.
I can't say that i won't like it. We may spend a few extra days to catch a few shows.
Vacation and work, I like that...A total write off!

Nightmaretony
03-11-2007, 08:44 PM
Other hotels are cheaper. Last time I stayed at Circus Circus, it was around 20 per night. PLenty of bargains to look for out there.

Sure,m you will lose local Chicago haunters enthusiasts, but you will gain the West Coast haunter enthuaists who want to buy props now that Haunt X is demised.

Grimley
03-11-2007, 09:25 PM
People who say that everyone will be just too distracted by Vegas are crazy. We go to the show from open to close every day we are there. It's what you do after that gives Vegas the edge. Instead of going back to the room or the bar you can venture the strip and see the sights. Like Creature said if your business involves Halloween you will be there. It only happens once a year so the cost is relative. If you want to see all of the cool new props in action you go to the show. If you want to look at them in a catalog then don't. I mean how awesome was the inflatable push through s Oak Island had this year. Had I seen it in a catalog I would have never even given it a second glance.

Jim Warfield
03-11-2007, 10:25 PM
I never attended the previous Transworlds that they used to have at Vegas.
What I said came from others who had been there, as venders, the ones financing the show, the guys hoping to sell something.
Maybe I was lied to. Maybe I shouldn't repeat what others tell me no matter how genuine and truthfull they seemed to be?
Moot point as of next year.