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    Heres a scenario for you all. I would like to know what you all would do if you came accross something like this.

    You know a landlord and he is willing to give you 20,000SF of space in the cellar of his building for FREE for a whole year or until the haunt opened, whichever came first. Ceiling height 10 feet. Parking lot for 1000 cars, easily accesable from 2 different highways,

    The problem is you don't like the location.

    And since all businesses require the right location to succeed, what would you do???

    It's all about Location, Location, Location and NOT about a FREE place to be for a while.

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    Me, I would like a permaent location to set-up and NOT a place you will have to tear down and move from. I want everything to be Impressive and with the thought of moving everything you worked so hard for in a building you knew you were going to leave doesnt appeal to me. What do you all think?

    Would it be a good decision or a bad decision??
     

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    Why don't you like the location? Just in a bad spot, or next door to waste disposal site? :lol:
     

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    It would depend. If by bad location you mean in a poor traffic area, there would be even degrees of that to take into account. We talkin suburbs, or boonies?

    If the location is free, you could take that money and put it into marketting to cover for the poor location itself, but if this thing is deep in the backwoods of hell, there's no saving it.
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    The only reason I don't like it is that it might not truely be secure because of how big it is, too many ways to enter, too many ways to break in unseen from the street. I don't know the exact location but, a good place to sleep and pee in the entry ways.

    If it is infact completely enclosed and secure. I would do what you do, have a party once a month at least for money. Spend 3 weekends cleaning up from the last party, adding more to what will become the haunt and using the secret ways of the internet to invite party goers for $10 a piece or what ever. An exclusive party gathering by invite only not a city authorized or governed event. Bring your own so there is no liability. A place for weird people to meet and network.

    Then opening it as a haunt is the big pay off from continual word of mouth and networking that will have so many people show up they will want to be throwing you out or getting a piece of the ticket price or paying rent or more likely throwing you out.

    But, you wouldn't fill up all 20,000 SF, as it might be indoor parking for VIP guests or hearse and car show events.

    There is always maybe a catch to free and I don't know what this is yet. The trick is to do your thing with out being obnoxious or messy or destructive. Or right up front putting money in the pocket of the Land Lord as it goes down even though he said free.


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    Lets see the traffic area is fine. The street it is on is very busy and located in the city.

    I guess my concerns would be ceiling height, not having total control of what I would like to get done b/c I do NOT own the building. Face of haunt would be in the back of building and NOT in front plain view. Im sure the landlord would let me do something in front to show everyone where its located. The place is dirty and would take a lot of time to clean it up. It smells. lol

    I would like people to drive somewhere and turn a corner and be like "Oh my God" there it is". I want to be different and innovative with my design. I dont know maybe I want a circle instead of a square or rectangle for a building shape. There are probably more, but you get the gyst. Maybe Im toooo picky, Who knows really?

    I also read something or heard that you shouldn't set-up a haunt in your home town. Is there any merit to that?
     

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    My haunt is 25 minutes from anywhere (middle of the country) and there is nothing to point out where the haunt is from the road until you get out of your car and walk around a house and then u see the barn. It's a barn which use to be used and it smells of high heaven, yet like they say in field of dreams, "If you build it, they will come" Take the free space, market the heck out of it and see what happens...


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    I'm thinking no facade, invite and referal, limited number of guest events with some kind of entertainment. Like not a loud band, an unplugged band or people read spooky poetry (it would suck) in a large haunted expresso gathering like the lofts in 1956 New York. Atists all get together and help you build things to express their dark vision. I'm just brain storming here, something that makes it an all year event that lets people know where it is when the time comes.

    I'm thinking no facade. I'm thinking like Blade Movies where you see the symbol on the building and only Vampires can see it Because they have the special Infared Glasses (Vampire Vision) Something that makes it an elite activity. Something that makes it unusual.

    Later if it really is to be a haunt it is real easy to make big monsters that are rolled out onto the side walks that point the way. I'm talking parade float big. Big pointing fingers.

    I don't know about the home town thing. This advice may come from just how much opposing opinion you might get. You should be doing something else with your life. If you go to another town you really don't care because a creep has to make a living. On the other side of the coin you don't get as many patrons from all the people you know and shouldn't expect it. So using like Myspace gets people coming in from 30 miles away to join the festivities, locals expect it for free because they know you. If it is a business and you are trying to hussle people you have known it doesn't work. You are at that point the Kirby Vacuum cleaner man.

    I have this insurance guy that keeps asking me when I would be available to meet with him, he will only be in my town between the hours of 2 and 4. Why would this guy not be able to sell insurance in a town of 4.5 million where he is coming from? How special am I? I'm supposed to feel obligated because he drove 2 hours? But if I knew him and he came to my house I would likely say that's great, let me know how that works for ya.

    I have done enough sales to not be too excited to commit to anything. I don't care if Paul Harvey once mentioned his company. I really don't want insurance from somewhere else. So far all he has showed me is a price per month and a picture of Paul Harvey. He has failed to mention what sending him $182 a month provides me with. That might be important to know.

    Maybe that's a bit off track.

    I have wandered around and mainly because of driving a hearse been able to turn conversations around. So you are from 30 miles from here, what brings you here? Better movie theaters, restaurants, people and places. What do you do for fun in you own town? We tour Walmart and go bowling. Wow, you must be the cool people.

    So by creating an unusual destination even with gas being $2.09 it becomes something special. Yep if the locals want to come in they either have to work there or pay.


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    Yea, would have to make sure the space is secure, thats like priority number 1 and I just thought about this but I dont think the sprinkler system would work, since its so old and probably hasnt had water run through it for a VERY long time. Now I know thats a costly expense.

    I like the idea of an exclsive party for haunters - we'll see / my partys always been for family and business associates.
     

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    The sprinkler system and permits come into play when you are open to the general public with some level of occupancy. If you are going to jam lots of people in there it is a risk and the system needs to be made to work. If it is small gatherings of limited occupancy, a private gathering then you are building the capital to maintain the building or bring it up to code. Perhaps another secret desire of the land lord or a benefit he would enjoy very much. If it was up to code he would be renting it out right now for big bucks?

    The system is there, it shouldn't be that much to make it work. It isn't like you are building it from scratch and having to have it installed by a certified contractor, you are just trying to service it.

    But, again, I have been accused over and over of being MR. UNSAFE for suggesting you don't need a sprinkler system if you are under the rules.

    Think smaller parties with bigger ticket prices like it is a fundraiser for the facilities and sure to be a great time. Some of the best parties I ever went to were for someone to pay their rent. Even though they had good jobs they needed rent money? Were they on drugs or something? I don't know but I have never found that cheese dip recipe. And there seemed to be a party every month at about 5 different people's houses with a pay as you come in the door thing happening and bring your own.

    Then one day everything lines up. The facilities are secure, built proffesional, you have a big line of potential customers that know where the place is at and it's ON.


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    And I will just nip this in the bud right now, any one that wants to get on my butt about how fire safety is so important, just go sit in any, ANY restaurant. Look for sprinkler heads and read the fire marshal's occupancy permit that is on the wall. Then fear for your lives and stay in your houses.

    The other thing would be that not all 20,000 SF would need to be operational, just what you are going to actually be using. Usually it is a type of fitting on the outside of the building needs to upgraded or the new type of control box has not been installed. Usually the heads and everything else just needs flushed out and certified.


    Another fabulous post from the U.S.Department of Wild Imaginings, now in spectaclar stereo, sponsored by the Adhesives and Sealants Council, suggesting ways to stick things together since the 1800s. Not fabulous in a gay way. Your results may vary. Illinois residents add 8% sales tax. These posts have been made by professional post makers, do not try this type of posting on your own without extensive training, lovely assistants and a trusty clown horn.
     

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