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Thread: Projection Design for your Facade/Attraction

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    Hey unihaunter,
    Usually the most expensive part of this effect is the projector needed to accomplish the illusion. We would be happy to work up a custom quote for you if you would just like simple projections like electric arcs, etc. I would like to make this available to all attractions with different budgets.
    Best,
    Bill Rod.
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    Hey Bill,

    Is this accomplished with just one projector or a multiple set up?
    Also approximately how far back and high must the projector be??

    This could be the deciding factor for most haunters. Might not even be able to consider it no matter how cool if the projector ends up being in the middle of the street 20 feet in the air!!!

    You mentioned indoor aplications so maybe there is a formula or something, like a ceratin height projection for a ceratin distance. Again critical is the space and spacing required.

    Also how about some fianancial starting point. I realize each install will be pretty much a custom job, but there has to be a starting point, say project and the basic program like the electric arcs.
    Maybe there are different sizes of projectors. I am sure projecting on an interior wall 12 feet square might not be as expensive as projecting across a 40 foot facade! No point in spending a lot of time sorting through expensive champaign if you only have a beer budget!! But if you have maybe an "imported beer" level there may be a bigger line up!

    Other considerations for Haunters is that outside application is a "freebie". No one pays to see it so publicity is the only pay back. An indoor application gives you something they have to pay to see. But don't underestimate the power of the outside "freebie" Casinos here spend millions providing such freebies just to get your attention. How many TV stations would show up in your market if you have something similar to the second example????

    Also this might be really worth it for haunts that are in buildings where they can't build a facade or do anything to the exterior of the building. Consider the cost of building, installing, removing and storing a facade, or just setting up a projector? Also you could change the show easily or buy one show first year, new show second year, ect and alternate shows throughout the night.

    So the concept is really cool, a few ball park figures would really help Haunters go from pipe dreams to serious consideration!

    Thanks Bill always great to see new ideas!! Best of luck!!!
    R&J Productions
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    What kind of a projector would you need for something on a building!! I'm guessing a couple are used to hit different sides.

    wheel is still turning....
    Send me some info on this if you could!!

    Peter T
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    Fantastic! If it can work cost wise , I think there would be a few basic programs haunters can order or custom which I would choose to fit my buildings shape along with windows and doors. It would have to line up like the ghost bust.....the possibilities are endless.

    Got me thinking as well!

    Xtreme
     

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    So I looked into just the projectors and you could spend anywhere from 30k to 200k depending on the size you are projecting (Iím talking building size). The software is all over the place. But it does seem to be compatible with both PC and Mac which is a plus.

    I may get some software just to mess with it and a smaller projector for an exploding door or a wall of fireÖ

    this is great!! my twisted dreams may come tru.

    Peter T
     

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    Believe it or not, this is accomplished with one projector / one setup. The only reason you would use more then one projector is to increase the brightness (but they would be overlapping projections) or to span a large wide area. I hope that makes sense. Right now I am working with my motion graphics artists to see what we can come up with price wise.

    Your absolutely right that each clients needs and equipment will be different. For instance, if a client had an indoor space that they wanted to create a show in, a projector could be selected with a matching lens to fit that room perfectly. No need to overkill it with a Barco projector. We will be working on a more detailed scale model soon. We will stay away from cartoony effects and try for more realistic effects. I think it will ultimately find its place in doors, in pre-shows or queue areas.

    Outside building projections would need a higher lumen projector (expense) and are always pointed head on (on plane) with the building, which will not always be feasible for each attraction.

    The second example demonstrated is clearly in the tens of thousands to produce. The 3D animation, Barco projectors, sound system, and the media servers that deliver the content. Obviously out of budget for most haunts, so we hope to come up with effects and prices that can be customized for any size budget.
    Thanks R&J for your insight!
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    Bill Rod.
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    Are they actually projecting onto a building or is it a canvas of some type? What color is it projecting onto might matter as well. Looks like the screen or building disapears with the background darkness..................
     

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    They are projecting directly onto a building... no screen or canvas. The lighter the building the more the images will pop, but I have seen this done in person on a dark interior set and it was just as effective... If you look close enough when there is no projection you can see the building.
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    I agree with Peter, maybe you could focus on some cool effects that could be used inside the haunt. That would hopefully keep the projector cost lower and if you could create and sell an effect several times it also help bring down the cost!

    I figured the News Years effect was in the thousands!!! It was pretty long and involved. But a simpler, shorter effect like you said Bill, focusing on the realistic,could be quite impressive!!! But this is definately a project for someone who knows what they are doing! If I'd tried it myself, it would probably have to work UP to looking cartoony!!!

    So a good question to haunters would be what type of effects could be best utilized with this technology. Things that would be either cost prohibitive or impossible to do practical??? Effects that would have the broadest appeal. Let's give Bill something to work with!! What would be cool and usuable???
    R&J Productions
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    I would like to see walls of rushing water or sparks coming at the people. Taking something that would normally be dangerous, if you used fire but since its just a projector it would be ok. People walking on a bridge looking down and it looks sooooo far down. Or see water under them with huge fish or monster swooshing by. The possibilities are endless.
     

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