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  1. Default Clean up this business.... 
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    I made a post about attendance now I have a post that may not sound nice to the industry. There is another trend heading our way and it WILL kill this industry or turn it into something most of us will want nothing to do with. Ready? Here we go.

    These are things parents and patrons are saying they are starting to see in haunts:

    Stripper Poles with girls in bra and panties (put some make up on and it's a haunted stripper pole. Right.)

    Young girls with little clothing in near rape situations or extreme violence

    Fettish rooms

    Exposed breasts.

    Okay haunters is this where the industry has to go? Do we need to go this route to get more customers? Forget about saying 18 and older disclaimers, they never are enforced. I saw a quote from a haunter of a photo with a zombie and 3 strippers in his haunt "blood sluts and gore" really folks? Haunted houses are a family affair. If we go this route the industry is done for. Parents will not allow the kids to go, news stations will have negitive press and soon we will go back to the dark ages of the 70's...an obscure shady attraction that only creepers go to.

    Let's take a hard look at ourselves, use our imaginations and keep the clothing on our young women in the haunted houses. Taking the easy way out to attact crowds by adding strippers is wrong, for a time people will come to see it but it will bite not only you but everyone else in the end. Think creatively, think of the kids coming through, would you want your child to see a girl being defiled in a haunt or being tortured while half naked?

    Yes we all have violent scenes in our haunts, blood and guts. That's fine when done right.

    Pushing the envelope in good taste and sex is a recipe for an industry wide DISASTER.

    What are your thoughts? Experiences?

    Stu,
    The Haunting
     

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    all I've got to say is amen to that brother..amen
     

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    I disagree, while you will not have the child element, you will increase numbers in the 18+ demographic, which any business student will tell you is the demo that has the most expendable income. Granted from a moralistic standpoint, it may appear wrong, but I for one find nothing wrong with "pushing the envelope". In fact I'd love to see more risque, "disturbed me so bad, i can't get it out of my mind" haunts. I'd shell out 20 bucks for the shocking before i'd give over 20 bucks to see some cobwebs and child actors in raccoon makeup.
    In the Shadows...We are Legion
     

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    And perhaps haunted houses are a "family affair" for you and yours, but from an actors perspective, I'd rather have a bunch of adults coming through than a bunch of tiny children.

    And another thing, I do not feel it is the haunt owners responsibility to censor his/her haunt. If you don't want your kids to be "offended" or "compromised morally", then take them to a disney movie.

    It's the parents responsibility to keep those things out of their childrens eyes, not mine, yours or the haunt owners.

    Don't like the displays? Don't take your kids!

    thats my opinion.

    Everything else in this world is liberal-pussified, lets keep the sanctity of one of the last refuges we have to offend and shock.
    In the Shadows...We are Legion
     

  5. Default Food for thought 
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    We don't have cobwebs and no we don't have racoon eyed monsters. We are edgy and and cool and the teens come to see our show. That isn't the issue. I'm asking us to take a hard look at what we are doing. If it's morally wrong then why do it? Saying that parents have a responsibility is right they do but a haunted house in their mind shouldn't take them by surprize and see a naked girl being tortured. Parents are being blind sided by this trend. You will not grow an audience this way. Haunts like theme parks grow a new audience every year by keeping it clean.

    I suppose you can push the envelope and that's fine. Art is about pushing the envelope. I predict that the city you are in will allow you to spend a ton of money getting your haunt set up and then come inspection time you will be surprized when the fire marshall or building inspector gets you for something and you are shut down. This happend to Spookyworld years ago. I remember they tried a haunt that had pushed the envelope as you say. The township found them in violation of a sprinkler system and that was all she wrote. One of my favorite haunted attractions was shut down for years and has yet to see the glory it once had. This will eventually happen to you if you are not careful.

    All I'm saying is we are going to have an industry wide publicity meltdown if we decide to go down the easier path. I don't see Universal Studios going in that direction, do you? When they start adding stripper poles and naked women then I think the industry is ready for the next step. Until then I'll make my city government happy so I can stay in business.

    Thoughts?
     

  6. Default "?Naked Torture"? 
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    Maybe everyone would like to see some naked politicians tortured? Maybe some torturing of Wall Street shady types? Maybe the guys responsible for some extremely hurtfull business decisions that left you 401s out in the rain?
    There you go! A whole new creative concept/way to go!
    Paying good money to see a 4 ft. tall "Frankenstein" is customer torture, or so I have read, but then almost anything might "entertain" a paying customer if done right.
    Is the main entertainment on-line still porno?
    Seems like that is what it used to be.....
    We all have choices to make and the people making most of the choices will always be parents of small kids and teens.
     

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    I am not sure if this was a picture from my past haunts that you are referring to but, for the last few years, my haunt offered Adult Only Nights. We did them on Thursday's. We charged a couple bucks a ticket more than on a regular night to get in. Everyone who entered had to be 18 or over and show picture I. D. plus sign an entrance waiver. We did not let anyone under the age of 18 in period. On these nights only, we allowed foul language and partial nudity. The last two years we hired some professional dancers as well. Yes, they brought their own poles. Our customers loved these nights. It took a weekday where we may have only seen 150 - 200 customers and increased it to 400 - 500 customers. Sex sells! This year, we decided not to do the adult nights because of another promotion we are running. It was a big mistake. We have already had over 200 emails and phone calls from bummed out customers, asking why we are not doing the Adult Nights this year. Give me a break on the morality issues. Kids see worse than any of this on TV everyday. ever notice all the "hidden" sexual innuendo on the Simpson's? Or how about Stewie trying to kill his mother on Family Guy? Maybe Sesame Street should be pulled off the air because Bert & Ernie are gay? The fact is, I am a haunter because I love this industry. However, it is a business and I will continue to try and come up with creative marketing ideas that my customers enjoy and can bring in additional income. I am sick and tired of haunt owners that try to tell me what is good and bad for the industry or who think their way of haunting is the right and only way to do things. This is my 24th year haunting, I must be doing something right!

    In nudity I trust!

    Howie "Slobber" Erlich
    Owner
    Deadly Intentions Haunted Attraction
    www.deadlyintentionshaunt.com
     

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    I applaud you howie. I personally feel that your adult only nights are an excellent idea. Morality is relative to the speaker. I think that as a free will human being, if you are offended by a haunt, then dont go....but to expect others to "tow the morality line" because it "hurts the industry" is foolish. Thats the sort of "if I don't like it, others shouldn't be able to enjoy themselves" attitude that outlawed smoking in bars. Just because certain individuals do not like, nor accept the happenings in the industry does not give them the right to chastise or tell others that what they are doing is wrong. From the other postings of the original poster, I see that his haunt is having a rough start to the year, ive seen others that are having incredible starts. Perhaps the OP's house is stagnant due to bending to the "status quo". And as for saying "i will continue to make my city departments happy", good for you, keep the righteous aspect alive...without those that will do what is told, there would be no one else willing to throw the normal expectations to the wind and push the envelope towards a possible new dawn of non-politically correct haunts.

    To each their own, but in my world, and the world I want to be a part of, there is no "do it just because its the moral thing to do". There would be more, "if you dont like, it, dont come". I bet 95% of the paying audience would be interested in adults only nights. Id risk the decline in children for a boost in adult attendance, as is pointed out by the above poster.

    If you rely on the younger audience for your profits, by all means continue the family friendly atmosphere, but its not fair or your place to condemn others for thinking outside the box or making progress towards something that you personally do not believe in.

    Judge not lest ye be judged.
    Last edited by Octoberalles; 10-04-2010 at 11:16 AM.
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  9. Default My opinion 
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    Anything, in moderation and scary is a good thing...however....
    I agree with the original post, but form the perspective it"s not always being done well, and it's gratuitous.
    Naked or violent for no other purpose that to be naked or violent.
    I personally, don't find that type of haunted house particularly scary or entertaining.
    I'm not a prude, I love gory houses (my preference actually) but I have been to haunts that are just ridiculous.
    I feel that as long as there's a balance in the industry between adult only and family fun, the industry will survive, it just may split. As long as those who "pigeon-hole" themselves into one category or the other don't complain about their attendance or advertise themselves as the other, it should all work out.
    Do Vegan Zombies eat heads of lettuce?
     

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    bert and earnie are gay? noooooooo im never watchin seseme street again
     

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