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    It is VERY late in the game to even be considering this but the opportunity has JUST come up to do a haunt this year at a flea market. It is just meant to be an extra attraction for customers and vendors and will only be be open during the daylight hours on weekends beginning 2nd weekend of October. The owner will provide the space free of charge (some materials and advertising) and we will provide sets, props and actors (i.e., family and friends). Charge will be low - probably $3 - $5 and possibly free for vendors. We are not expecting anything more than an exhausting experience money wise and are ok with that. We have been doing it at home for years with plans to go pro someday and have quite a stockpile of set materials (20x30 storage unit worth).

    My post here now is to get opinions on the location.

    There are a few possible locations. One location is inside near a food court with sprinkler system. It has has outdoor access with two external doors but is really small. Probably about the size of a 2-3 car garage. Lighting completely controllable.
    Other locations are outside and much larger (at least double the size) - completely or partially sheltered (roofs and overhangs) depending on location chosen but for the most part, completely open and very bright.

    Ideally, I would like the extra space but have never considered a daytime, outdoor haunt. There will be A LOT of kids but I don't want it to be completely lame. Is there a way to do an outdoor haunt during the daytime successfully? Any ideas?
    With such a small indoor space and being already sprinklered, will it be a nightmare in regards to Fire Marshall? The owner seems to think not (they were recently inspected) but I'm not going to rely completely on that.

    Personally, I would like to try outside (more space, less concern about Fire Marshall I think) to see if it can be done but need someone to help me trigger should creative juices on doing that.

    Again, I know it is really late in the game but I think it can be done. Any and all ideas and thoughts greatly appreciated. Thanks!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by arden View Post
    It is VERY late in the game to even be considering this but the opportunity has JUST come up to do a haunt this year at a flea market. It is just meant to be an extra attraction for customers and vendors and will only be be open during the daylight hours on weekends beginning 2nd weekend of October. The owner will provide the space free of charge (some materials and advertising) and we will provide sets, props and actors (i.e., family and friends). Charge will be low - probably $3 - $5 and possibly free for vendors. We are not expecting anything more than an exhausting experience money wise and are ok with that. We have been doing it at home for years with plans to go pro someday and have quite a stockpile of set materials (20x30 storage unit worth).

    My post here now is to get opinions on the location.

    There are a few possible locations. One location is inside near a food court with sprinkler system. It has has outdoor access with two external doors but is really small. Probably about the size of a 2-3 car garage. Lighting completely controllable.
    Other locations are outside and much larger (at least double the size) - completely or partially sheltered (roofs and overhangs) depending on location chosen but for the most part, completely open and very bright.

    Ideally, I would like the extra space but have never considered a daytime, outdoor haunt. There will be A LOT of kids but I don't want it to be completely lame. Is there a way to do an outdoor haunt during the daytime successfully? Any ideas?
    With such a small indoor space and being already sprinklered, will it be a nightmare in regards to Fire Marshall? The owner seems to think not (they were recently inspected) but I'm not going to rely completely on that.

    Personally, I would like to try outside (more space, less concern about Fire Marshall I think) to see if it can be done but need someone to help me trigger should creative juices on doing that.

    Again, I know it is really late in the game but I think it can be done. Any and all ideas and thoughts greatly appreciated. Thanks!
    First, vendors absolutely go thru free! Why? In a word: free advertising! The vendors are effectively your street team. The word of mouth you get from every vendor potentially telling every customer of theirs about your haunt will more than make up for the $3 you would have made off of them. Plus, you'd much rather have them go thru for free and enjoy it and appreciate you for it and tell everyone how great it was, rather than squeeze a measly extra $3 out of them, only to have them think it sucks and tell everyone they see as much. "Oh, that haunt thing? Yeah, I went thru it . . . even at $3 it was still pretty lame. Waste of my time and money. I should have gotten a corny dog for that $3 instead."

    Also, you have another great marketing opportunity here as well. Regardless of where next year's haunt is going to be, odds are you will use some of the same room designs and props and whatnot. The vendors, in exchange for going thru for free, might be open to having a pic taken whilst in the haunt. Perhaps some of those great action shots you see on websites, and the sets and decor will match even if you are at a different location. "Hey, if you really enjoy yourself, can we feature you on our website picture page?" That can only help with your future marketing efforts. The fact that they are co-vendors you are, in essence, all family, may make them more amenable to that. Again, another good opportunity.

    As to your other concern, what kind of theme did you think you'd be leaning towards. Some themes lend themselves better to outside settings than others. Either way, you will most likely need to create some kind of darkness for the most part. You also need to try to make some close, or tight quartered, spaces.

    If it was me, I'd lean towards the indoor setting, if only because while it may not be as spacious as the outdoor settings, at $3 a pop (vs. the $20 some other haunts charge), you don't really have to deliver a lot of haunt for customers to get their money's worth. The usual rule of thumb is a dollar a minute of walk-thru time, and I'd have to imagine that the walk-thru will be a lot longer than 3 minutes. If you give them a lot of production value and a lot to look at, and use a lot of funhouse elements, which are cheap cuz they only cost the cost of basic building materials and construction, such as wobble floors and so on, they can get a lot out of it, and it will be well worth the $3. Not only that, at $3 a pop, they may want to go thru several times, which only adds to your bottom line. You could charge $5 for the first trip thru, and $3 for additional trips thru. If you give your actors multiple scare points, and different places to pop out of, then the patrons won't get the same show the second or third time thru. They will get a new experience with new surprises each time.

    Exactly how much indoor square footage do you have to work with?

    C.
    Last edited by BrotherMysterio; 09-17-2012 at 11:50 AM.
     

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    Once it hits 5 oclock, flea markets are gone. If there is some kind of night life, it is all under wraps by 9 PM. So, I would do the indoor small space and embrase the idea it is for every kid that comes to the flea market for $3. Adults sort of demand expensive facades, large buildings of mystery and something worth $20.

    I have a hunch it could be actually somewhat successful. At our area tradedays there is a billy the Kid museum for $3 and some strange 800 SF pet a donkey and go in a mine and pan for gold attraction for $3 and the latter is always swamped. It is an interactive kid activity and one can only imagine that little kids go through basically two rooms of gold glitter on the walls and see a mine cart and a skeleton and all the parents know is they have a smile on thier face. Instead of buying junk, they got something for the day.

    Really shouldn't be a problem with the fire marshal as the size is possibly below 1000 SF and it is only open a short time. So some stupid city permit for $45 might be in order or the flea market land lord is the god on this private property. You can be open and torn down and the land lord said it was fine. And it's for the children you smuck!

    Of course in the real world, I judge success as making more than a job at Walmart making $62.50 for a days work and I have no idea what the traffic is there but the one here I'm sure could make $300 even on a bad weather day. On a good day it might be $900 a day. You can have a $150,000 haunt and still not put that much in your pocket.

    I would go nuts with such an opportunity and convert it to Santas village and then for the summer maybe a haunted gold mine, all year once a month or what ever the flea market schedule is. Smaller is easier to convert to something else very affordable. So just being a goof just turned into making $10,000 a year.

    The trick then over time is renvesting that money in storage costs and maybe even some animatronix whereas you know you are a success when the adults are paying $3 to see what the kids are so excited about. Take over the space and pay some marginal rent and lose the storage building. Some day that space will be the storage building for the haunt event you have on the outdoor property that is huge and has adults "trained" to come see it.


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    Thank you for the replies! We looked at both of the areas again and I agree - inside would be much better. It's only around 1000 sq ft but I think it will work out great. It took the night to wrap my head around it but now I'm getting super excited. Many great ideas here and now I'm off to plan - I'm sure I'll be back. Thanks!!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by arden View Post
    Thank you for the replies! We looked at both of the areas again and I agree - inside would be much better. It's only around 1000 sq ft but I think it will work out great. It took the night to wrap my head around it but now I'm getting super excited. Many great ideas here and now I'm off to plan - I'm sure I'll be back. Thanks!!
    Excellent! What kind of theme were you thinking of or leaning towards?

    C.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherMysterio View Post
    Excellent! What kind of theme were you thinking of or leaning towards?

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    I'm still working on that and trying to narrow down. I've been accumulating for years and have many complete themes - everything from real gory (lots of medical), clowns, coffins, skeletons and bodys, probably hundreds of dolls and toys in various stages of creepiness, snakes, spiders, rodents and bugs. Not a ton of animations but some compressors and such to utilize. I'm probably leaning towards either a Haunted House sort of theme (living room, library, play room, workshop, etc) or school. Those I can do quickest in the amount of time available. Figure I'll have the plan completely down in the next day or so. Many options but want it to flow well. It will be fun
     

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