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    I read this today I can't believe what I'm reading... because this retail show clearly wanted haunts to visit their show they took ads in our magazine, they invited hauntcon to co-locate so they want us there right or wrong. Why this message then...

    The Halloween & Party Expo is a wholesale order-writing show and NOT a cash-and-carry show. HAuNTcon attendees who enter the Halloween & Party Expo show floor must respect both buyers' and exhibitors' time. When a buyer is with an exhibitor, please do not interrupt or disturb the business transaction. All HAuNTcon attendees will be badged differently from the qualified wholesale buyers registered for the Halloween & Party Expo; please wear your badge so that exhibitors and show personnel can easily see it as you are walking the show floor. You are a guest and are welcome at the Halloween & Party Expo, but please understand that H&P Expo exhibitors’ primary priority is to meet and work with wholesale buyers. In that regard, their catalogs and price sheets will not be available to visitors who are not registered and qualified Halloween & Party Expo buyers. We appreciate your respect and compliance of Halloween & Party Expo policies.
     

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    They are saying we are not qualified for their time.
    We are beneath them...
    Our badges will give them a heads up not to speak or waste their time with us.
    Stew
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    This is like the Chicago show back in the 90's
    Glad the Haunt Show broke away from these people when we did!
     

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    WOW, that puts a knot in the works doesn't it?
    They do have a right to keep the buyers separate.
    They really should.
    I am sorry but the fact is, retailers have a right to buy at wholesale because they resale whereas most haunters don't. Some do because they resale in their merch booths. But if you are buying props to display in your attraction and they are not for resale you should not be receiving a wholesale price. It is a fact. Our auditor would tell you that. As a matter of fact you could get audited if you engaged in this kind of practice.

    But this announcement really does hearken back to old times
     

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    Treating haunters like second class citizens, and Leonard ran back with open arms to them. SMH


    Jake
     

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    As I mentioned I was recently in Atlanta and yes I stopped by to see Ben Armstrong at Netherworld and he was kind enough to give myself and family the full tour. I took a picture of his retail store, yes I said retail store. I was surprised to see some Halloween retail items not just your standard junk like t-shirts with Netherworlds name on it. From what I was told they do EXTREME levels of business in this shop. In addition I know the guys from Headless Horseman do a big business with retail at their place. Inside The Darkness we sub out our store and they put in a retail store as well and we are making plans to move our shop to a different location and once we do we will have a giant 6000 square foot retail shop. All in the works. Haunted Houses have the audience to sell Halloween retail and these are new customers for the retailers these guys are idiots if you ask me... and I'm going to call them out on this.

    Their show is not doing what it did in the old days not even close... they wanted haunters OUT now they claim they want them BACK but then they make these comments. Why have a haunt show co-locate if you don't actually want haunt owners as new potential customers, or for that matter bring new excitement to an otherwise dull tradeshow. These guys can't be this stupid that they don't now realize that ONLY haunts are on TV each October, only haunts are getting all the PRESS not retail... its an attraction based holiday now pumpkin patches, events, parties, haunts, corn mazes, amusement parks doesn't matter... retail is now the byproduct of amusement side.

    These guys should see haunters as new potential customers because our industry has changed since they last dealt with us... if they hadn't already seen the 100 plus TV specials on our industry they would know by now. This is beyond a disappointment and more than another slap in the face I can assure you of that. I want to support Hauntcon, I want to support the haunts who are doing tours, but how do you support these morons?

    Larry


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    Most haunts probably do less than 10,000 people though unlike Netherworld, so more often than not its probably not worth doing retail at their haunt.


    Jake
     

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    I have to say that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am glad I did not plan on going. I told Lenard that if he was going to do Texas again I would not be there and now I feel I made the right choice. I will have to see how the feed back is with the show to determine if I am going next year.
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    I've got to say many of you may know my past on these forums many of you don't. Maybe 2 years ago I would've thought Leonard to be like a God amongst men (haunted industry wise of course) but after experience very minor workings with him and reading posts about from you guys who have been in the industry WAAYYY longer than I have... I have definitely reallocated my allegiance. Obviously I was naive to think he knew everything under the sun about how to run a haunted house but now I think I may know better.

    So just so I know for personal history knowledge of the Halloween industry here is how I understand it:

    • Transworld and the Halloween Costume and Stuff expo were together
    • Then the Costume and Stuff expo shunned the haunted house side of the industry
    • then transworld and many others left and started our own haunted house ONLY convention
    • transworld became wildly popular and lucrative
    • then halloween costume and stuff expo people wanted to be back with us
    • transworld, ben armstrong, and larry said hell no!
    • then leonard pickle and company joined forces with halloween costume and stuff expo people to form the Hauntcon thing


    Please forgive any misunderstandings and fill in the blanks or correct me where I'm confused. You know its fascinating to learn how deep and personal this industry gets the more you learn about people. Hopefully I haven't insulted anybody.


    OOOH! PS. I'm excited to inform you all that the Transworld show of 2016 will be my first show(because I graduate 2015) and Larry I hope you will have me and my wife because we will be buying any of the tour tickets you make available. I can't wait to see the Darkness finally!!!! WOOOHOOO!
    Its A Verbal Orgy on Steroids!
     

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    Oak hill,

    Just curious, what did Leonard ever do for you to think of him as a God amongst Men in the haunted house business? For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would come to that conclusion. I think what Leonard has working for him is that he's old, he's been around and has seen the industry grow. But in terms of REAL, hands on experience and success I've seen guys with 5 years of experience that I would pay to hear their thoughts. To me, you must first prove you can operate a SUCCESSFUL haunted attraction to earn credibility. Just merely open ending one only to have it fail is not cutting it.

    They say those that can't do teach. When it comes to Leonard that seems to be the case. I think he loves this industry and has a lot of knowledge but there are others who know much more.

    DA
     

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