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    I thinks thats literally it. There was nothing that he did or said to make me believe that its just I looked at him, ben armstrong, larry, and a couple of other names. I just always thought he was successful like ben and larry. But from what you guys have posted and what I'm sort of getting the feeling of is that his "consulting" is based on a cookie cutter formula one size fits all kind of thing. It wasn't that he was special I just took every word he said to the golden letter if you know what I mean.

    Now I'm just hoping to learn as much as I can from people who can, like you said, prove they know what it takes to be successful in any market. Not just give me some rinse and repeat recipe. That to me is a real fast way to lose a ton of money and a one way ticket out of the haunted house industry.



    PS. I remember a time when I thought "I" knew it all but we all know how much of a smartass I made myself look. Now I understand it takes time to learn and gather experience. I have high hopes I'll get there someday I just don't want to have misplaced trust in someone who claims to know what they are talking about and get steered off course.
    Its A Verbal Orgy on Steroids!
     

  2. Default Haunt Owners Are NOT Wholesale Buyers 
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    Everyone wants to buy stuff at a discount, and haunters are no exception. I shop for the cheapest prices before I buy just like anyone else. However, just because I own a business does not qualify me to buy at wholesale pricing.

    If a haunt is buying items to RESALE in their retail store then they have every right to buy that mask or costume at a wholesale price - no sales tax is collected. If that same haunt buys that same mask to put on his actor to use inside the attraction, that makes the haunt a retail buyer. As an "end user," the buyer is required to pay sales tax, and the haunt has no legal right to buy that mask at wholesale pricing.

    Unless the haunt is buying for their haunt retail store, Haunters are not be qualified to purchase items from some of the companies at the Halloween & Party Expo, mostly because of minimums. (Stores buy 12 or 100 of each item number, haunts buy only one or two.) However, there are some companies at the Halloween & Party Show who will sell to haunters.

    The Halloween & Party Expo has invited haunters to attend their tradeshow during the HAuNTcon conference this January! They want us to be there. They want us to see what is new and cool coming to the retail stores next October, and they want to see what is new and cool coming to the haunt industry at the HAuNTcon show floor.

    A haunter can't buy lumber and paint for his haunt at wholesale pricing either, (maybe at contractor discount due to VOLUME," but not at the same wholesale price Home Depot buys it), and a haunter cannot buy masks or costumes at wholesale. So until you have the same disdain for Home Depot that you have manufactured up for H&PE you should welcome the wholesalers gesture and stop bashing something that has not even happened yet.
     

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    Leonard,

    I give you all the credit for starting your own show and sticking with it ... I realize it was a lot of work and continues to be just that. I'm confused! These guys want us to come to that event but we can't get a brochure, we can't bother those guys, like we are second class. What gives... I think its insulting.

    If I was you I wouldn't have co-located with them if these are their rules I would stand up and fight for haunt owners. The confusion as I see it is that they think haunters are people in their garage plunking along wanting to skip buying a 5 year old costume from Spirits or something. As I showed with the photo from Ben's place look at that awesome retail store!!! Furthermore how are they to know who is or who isn't going to open the next big retail store... I don't want an armband that says I can't talk to someone.

    Haunt owners are now more successful on every level than the old guard retail industry... most of those guys are GONE since the industry has consolidated so much. Morris now owns 90% I think of Halloween Express, Spirits, Target, Walmart, Party City are really the only MAJOR players now.

    When I started in this business Walmart carried NO Halloween retail... now well we know whats what the small ma and pa's who use to really complain about us are GONE!

    Haunted houses should consider a retail store if they have the space with the crowds they have they should... but they can't pick up a catalog?

    Really!

    Lastly... let me say this I support Hauntcon and again I give Leonard MAX credit for sticking with this and putting on these shows and showcasing all these haunts in all these cities but these guys in Houston need to change their policy!

    Larry
     

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    Okay so I talked to the main guy in charge he agrees the wording isn't the best and says it was never intended to read that way... he's changing it. He wants haunters to come and all haunters will be allowed into the show however it is a business to business show and its not a cash and carry all things I agree with. However the statement should have been what does it take to get the right badge which most haunts can get very easy... you just need some documents.

    Once he sends over the newer disclaimer I'm going to post it. They do want haunts especially ones with retail stores to come and become new customers so we'll see.

    Larry
     

  5. Default Really? 
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    Larry how many times have you been in a booth at a show and had some guy come up to you and start talking about what he does and you don't even know his name but he thinks he's your best friend. And you are seeing people that you NEED to talk to make your business successful walking by your booth and you can't get away from this guy to talk to talk to them. More times than you can count.

    When a company goes to a convention, they spend thousands of dollars on travel, shipping, hotels, booth, electrical, internet, and a high gloss catalog showing their wares to people who might buy something from them. That 10x10 space you are standing in is VERY expensive dirt. Of course you want to be nice to everyone, of course you want to say hello to your fans, but you are there to do business. Business that could make or break your season.

    The Halloween wholesale companies are no different. They have spent a great deal of money for their dirt and they need to do business in that space. As I described above, a haunter is NOT a wholesale buyer. As much as we all would like to get stuff at wholesale prices, we are not qualified to buy wholesale, because we are not reselling it. Some haunts do have great retail stores and everyone of them can fill out a form with the Halloween & Party Expo and be qualified to buy at wholesale. Then they can pick up all the catalogs they want.

    At every show exhibitors hand out thousands of catalogs to people who will never buy from them, but at least there is a chance that they will. If you are a wholesale company that does not sell to end users, then why should they be required to hand out a catalog to an end user that cannot buy from you anyway.

    And who pays for the cost of those catalogs? WE DO! Companies have to increase their price to cover the cost. We pay it when we buy the product at whatever level we buy it at.

    Even though most of us cannot buy wholesale, the Haunt Industry has invited anyone who attend HAuNTcon to come check out the Halloween & Party Expo while you are in Houston. The reason to come to Houston is the 50 hours of education, 26 some odd haunt tours, and haunter tradeshow at HAuNTcon. Taking a peek at the wholesale show is just a bonus.
     

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    If you have the below you can sign up as a wholesale buyer at http://www.formstack.com/forms/?1504161-8RcBqSksJK-v3

    or email to registration[MENTION=272]Halloween[/...]partyexpo.com.


    BUYER DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS: PART 1

    You must provide one of the following:*

    A copy of your business license
    A copy of your resale tax certificate
    A verification of your tax exempt status
    Company Registration Certificate (Intl. Only)*
    VAT Registration Certificate (Intl. Only)*


    BUYER DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS: PART 2

    AND one of the following documents:

    A copy of a Yellow Pages listing for your business
    An ad featuring your business from a trade publication
    A copy of the lease agreement for your retail business
    An imprinted business check or credit card
    Invoices totaling more than $200 from your suppliers
    A company catalog
    A flyer or other promotional piece for your business
    An invitation letter from a current exhibitor

    Please have your documents ready to upload to the online registration form, or submit your form today and follow up with an email or fax of your documentation to verify registration.
     

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    Leonard thats just a joke.....

    I guarantee, if I walk up to ANY booth with an order, they will take it...

    Bet me....

    Stew
     

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    Exactly Stew.

    It is a joke, and we look like fools going back to them as second class citizens.

    Jake


    Quote Originally Posted by Darksidestew View Post
    Leonard thats just a joke.....

    I guarantee, if I walk up to ANY booth with an order, they will take it...

    Bet me....

    Stew
     

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    The reality is this new statement is somewhat confusing... when you think about the things needed its pretty simple. You need a business license and a copy check or something along those lines... that isn't bad at all. Anyone can get that done if they own a business. So I think that problem is solved.

    The guy I talked to apologized up and down and said he totally understands WHY we all feel like we aren't welcome. So as I told him he should have explained what is needed for a buyer badge than the former quote... so this seems to be resolved.

    I spent an hour talking to the guy he's really nice and really wants haunters there... so I'm glad I could step in here and get to the bottom of it.

    In the end they are moving to New Orleans next year home to some pretty cool haunts so we'll see what happens.

    A lot of haunts are opening retail stores now so I'm glad they will now be able to go and get a buyers badge.

    Larry
     

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    Larry where did you see the new wording at
     

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