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    Quote Originally Posted by Gore Galore View Post
    I don't mean to criticize but I think you might be selling yourself short by sticking to iconic characters and hollywood theming.
    I think you can do so much more and NO you will not be able to get away with STEALING licensed characters. It is very difficult for Haunted Houses to stay under the radar these days. Especially if you are properly marketing your event.
    Plus I find that these type of events keep your ideas limited.
    Nor allow you to develop creative, evolving, and involving attractions.

    I feel the best events come from a developed storyline and EVERY room stems from that theme.
    It is more involving for your patrons and more believeable so it can be seriously scary for your customers.

    Furthermore, most people who come into this industry for the first time shoot for this same type of design. And don't last long because of it.
    You want to make your customers think it could be real. And that type of planning always pays off.

    I wish you luck and the more questions you ask the more information you will receive.

    We would do a story line but use the "Hollywood" characters in the story. I would not try and duplicate the exact scene in a movie. I might have a butcher scene but put Freddy in it. I plan on doing a mix of things but include the Hollywood theme mixed in. Kind of like creating a BIG Hollywood horror movie with all the characters in one movie type thing.

    Constructive criticism is good. I don’t mind ideas, thoughts, criticism, etc as long as it is constructive.

    Keep the ideas and "criticism" comming.
     

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    Another good idea, at least in regards to keeping your costs low on the operating end, would be to team up with a local Boy Scouts or other similar organization in your area. Additionally, offer to donate $1 of every ticket to a specific charitable organization. This can allow for more news reports and increased customer awareness but it also being a good steward for your community.

    Happy Haunting!!

    -Tom
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transfusion Tom View Post
    Another good idea, at least in regards to keeping your costs low on the operating end, would be to team up with a local Boy Scouts or other similar organization in your area. Additionally, offer to donate $1 of every ticket to a specific charitable organization. This can allow for more news reports and increased customer awareness but it also being a good steward for your community.

    Happy Haunting!!

    -Tom

    Tom, Done deal...I have already spoke with a local ROTC group and a few others. I am trying to involve "adult" type organizations so we don’t have a bunch of 15yo running around. I prefer adult characters over teen. I am also planning on involving some of the local Volunteer Fire Houses and let them help out and make donations to them also. 90% of my staff I want from volunteer groups to help keep the cost down. Plus other than looking good in the communities eyes I also “want” to give back to my community. I think it is a win win situation for all of us.

    I figured on a base of $8.00 an hour per, per person. Times that times 6 hours of work. Times that times 20 employees then I can pay upwards of $1000 per night towards different organizations. If I just donated .50 per ticket I would be doing good. Hope my formula didn’t confuse you but you get the idea. If I just donated $500 per night I would come out ahead and they would make a little money also.
     

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    Gore Galore has a very good point. You say that you will make your own scenes similar to the movies these "Hollywood" characters are from, yet you still list all the "Hollywood" characters in your room names. Either pay for the licensing ( many could be avail) or be ready to get the letters in the mail from the real "Hollywood" lawyers.

    Find someone to be creative and have your own story. Otherwise you open yourself up for the customers criticisms of how you missed the scenes. That would be worse.

    Also, you may want to start low on pricing and raise it after you have proven your value to your customers over time.

    My two pennies,

    Brett Molitor
    JamBam/Huntington Jaycees Haunted Hotel-13th Floor
    www.HauntedHuntington.com
    www.MySpace.com/the_haunted_hotel
     

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    That's good you are covering your cost bases. The next question is location, have you locked in a location? Considering you are a mobile attraction, outside of fire questions which have been posted in previous threads, you can use your location provider as one of your sponsors, if the location is worth it. If it is a prime location and the owner would like to do some additional advertising via your haunt, then you can get a very reasonable, if not free, site for your haunt. Nonetheless, this is your first year of operations and therefore will be harder to pull off, as you don't have a 'history' for the owner to look back on. Also, for some additional advice on proper costing, financing, and new products go to www.hauntgeeks.com, which is still getting 'ramped' up but its a place to ask questions, much like you have here at HauntWorld, except with a more technical twist.

    Cheers
     

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    "Did you hear about that tent just outside of town?"
    "Why, what's going on there?"
    "The tent is just covering the graves they discovered so the forensics people can collect evidence, there were lot of bodies there I guess?"

    "There, see all the lights over there , that must be the place, do you think we can get in to see it?"
    "Somebody has leased the ground and we have to pay a fee , the bodies were all removed a day or two ago."
    "Great! This should be something else."

    "You better not try to walk too fast the lighting leaves a bit to be desired doesn't it?"
    "Look at all the holes! Was there a body in every one of them?"
    "Yes, I guess so."
    "Were they men, women, kids?"
    "They were teenagers I guess, runaways who ended up trusting the wrong guy.."
    "Oops, careful."

    "Some of these graves don't look very deep."
    "They are as deep as they have to be.'
    "Have to be?"
    "To free them...the Zombies!"
    Guess what happens then?

    Tent. Shovel. Dirt. Some lighting.Zombies.
    Unforgettable!
    Send the remainder of the $100,000 to :Jim Warfield You are welcome.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Warfield View Post
    "Did you hear about that tent just outside of town?"
    "Why, what's going on there?"
    "The tent is just covering the graves they discovered so the forensics people can collect evidence, there were lot of bodies there I guess?"

    "There, see all the lights over there , that must be the place, do you think we can get in to see it?"
    "Somebody has leased the ground and we have to pay a fee , the bodies were all removed a day or two ago."
    "Great! This should be something else."

    "You better not try to walk too fast the lighting leaves a bit to be desired doesn't it?"
    "Look at all the holes! Was there a body in every one of them?"
    "Yes, I guess so."
    "Were they men, women, kids?"
    "They were teenagers I guess, runaways who ended up trusting the wrong guy.."
    "Oops, careful."

    "Some of these graves don't look very deep."
    "They are as deep as they have to be.'
    "Have to be?"
    "To free them...the Zombies!"
    Guess what happens then?

    Tent. Shovel. Dirt. Some lighting.Zombies.
    Unforgettable!
    Send the remainder of the $100,000 to :Jim Warfield You are welcome.
    Sounds like a good alternative. Thanks for the help.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamBam View Post
    Gore Galore has a very good point. You say that you will make your own scenes similar to the movies these "Hollywood" characters are from, yet you still list all the "Hollywood" characters in your room names. Either pay for the licensing ( many could be avail) or be ready to get the letters in the mail from the real "Hollywood" lawyers.

    Find someone to be creative and have your own story. Otherwise you open yourself up for the customers criticisms of how you missed the scenes. That would be worse.

    Also, you may want to start low on pricing and raise it after you have proven your value to your customers over time.

    My two pennies,

    Brett Molitor
    JamBam/Huntington Jaycees Haunted Hotel-13th Floor
    www.HauntedHuntington.com
    www.MySpace.com/the_haunted_hotel
    Like I said I am not planning on duplicating the exact "Hollywood" scenes. I want to create my own story line and use the Hollywood characters in the theme. I plan on not "stealing" anything from the Hollywood folks no more so than any other haunt using officially licensed costumes and mask. I am a honest guy that believes in strong business ethics. However if I can use the "Hollywood" angel to help promote my event without doing anything illegal then I plan on doing it. I am sure there are plenty of haunts that use the Hollywood characters in their themes. I just plan on using the name I bought along with those chanters as a marketing strategy. If I need to buy any licensing rights I will do that. As far as the list of room names it was just given as an example. I checked out your site and it looks very nice. Thanks for the info and please keep more coming to help out.

    Thanks Again, RJT
     

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    Also, if you think big, you can have say 1,000 SF of walls then 500 SF of an open outdoor scene (indoors) then lather rinse repeat. Even tight passages cna be done with 60 panels per 1000 Sf costing in materials and paint about $30 each. So, New stuff $1800/1000 SF = $1.80 per SF. Then you can go lower than this by collecting surplus materials, buying used materials, finding alternative materials like old metal sheeting and what ever, being creative. You might infact have 1000 SF of dirt and a shovel? Even with the wiring harness, safety gear and semi trailer I might a little over $2 a SF. I have bought used walls and repainted them/ repaired them for as little as $10 each total. They have a history to them already.

    you can build a real house for $40/SF but, No ceiling, no floors, no real doors, limited electric runs, no real utilities, no appliances, no pool, If you are planning a payroll, you only need limited amounts of props to start. Lots of flea market furniture and dumpster finds. What industrial finds you may overlook every day like giant saw blades that are no longer re bitable, barrels and drums, All available for scrap weight.

    The most expensive part of a haunted house? Off season and build up storage. Pretty much any building material, or device can be found or donated. The storage may cost More than the haunt if not planned for ei go directly to semi trailers on land that does not have additional rent, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Other wise, in 5 years time you will have forked out $20,000 in storage and moving fees and the haunt was cleverly cobbled together for $3500 and it really couldn't be better for what is being done.

    To me what is missing in all of your description is where you will be located, generally what town. Many towns just will not support $1000 per night payroll and $500 to charity per night. It just isn't going to happen so make other plans. If you crash 60 people a night using volunteers in some cases that is all there is going to be no matter how much you spent to advertise.

    Yet, this isn't bad if it really is a Monster Museum. Hollywood may never find you if you are in a market that doesn't deserve the investment of a web site and any more than local advertising. It could be 100 well dressed mannequins and perhaps only two jump to life? Is it an academic town or where they have redneck games? Trying to get licensing is going to be denied.

    Also, where you are might tip off someone who has one sitting in their yard that has no place to go and you could have it for free (no start up costs) or for so much per ticket? Some people already have 10 years of crap left over from themes not being displayed this year.

    What would I do with the other $23 per SF? Donuts seem to be popular?


    Another fabulous post from the U.S.Department of Wild Imaginings, now in spectaclar stereo, sponsored by the Adhesives and Sealants Council, suggesting ways to stick things together since the 1800s. Not fabulous in a gay way. Your results may vary. Illinois residents add 8% sales tax. These posts have been made by professional post makers, do not try this type of posting on your own without extensive training, lovely assistants and a trusty clown horn.
     

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    I would like to propose the Strategic Haunt Initiative.

    Haunts roving the country or North America even, in unmarked semi trailers so as not to be specifically located by Hollywood but, able to spring up in case of Halloween for $2 per ticket.

    Of course diesel is now $900 a tank so, we will have to get government trucks and unload what ever crap they have in there then, go about our business.


    Another fabulous post from the U.S.Department of Wild Imaginings, now in spectaclar stereo, sponsored by the Adhesives and Sealants Council, suggesting ways to stick things together since the 1800s. Not fabulous in a gay way. Your results may vary. Illinois residents add 8% sales tax. These posts have been made by professional post makers, do not try this type of posting on your own without extensive training, lovely assistants and a trusty clown horn.
     

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