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Thread: Beware of Camera-pointing "Gypsies!"

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  1. Default Prison Themed Restaurant 
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    Those silly Japanese are at it again.

    http://www.asylum.com/2008/08/07/jap...me-restaurant/

    It looks like some time was spent on the decor, the prison cells, the experience but, the camera makes it look stupid. The lighting is not what would be great on a sound bite on the CBS news and so it goes to viral video only a few minutes long.

    They may have been there for days. Getting a crowd that actually laughed at the prison break antics.

    I fear the Raven's Grin Inn is so complex that an editor wouldn't know where to start or what the over all statement should be. Once you get past the first two rooms it would take hollywood lighting to capture anything and a few hours setting up for it to not be a grainy piece of crap. Then there is the interaction factor as opposed to here are a few inanimate objects.

    Somehow the entire jist these days must match the attention span of about 2 minutes and written word no longer than 2 paragraphs or unfrotunately it ends up in someone's private collection or the cutting room floor.

    Article I have seen generally tend to be about 18 paragraphs before the reporter thinks they have said something or described it properly. And of course each viewer might have an one of 30 possible ideas of what the Raven's Grin Inn is there for or about. Not meeting any of the other 29 catagories that the general public would find truely entertaining and worth the trip.

    So, in a way it is better to not be spending time with hopeful exposure. Only videos you participated in might provide some end product. The only thing missing in the deal is perhaps a copy of raw footage must be provided before they leave! If nothing comes of it you can use it. If they are making money from it, you have an origional copy of the content and you are the guy in the video and that kind of implies it is your content and your copywrite, so where is your money?

    Where is your $100 per hour for 15 hours work? No deposit and a percentage of production gains, no deal. Unless you want raw footage to have in your private collection fo future creations. You could have been running a tour for 10 people in those same hours. It might be interupting this normal operation or you being available to see tours at the front of the house as usual.

    Now that you have seen the prison restaurant video, does it make you want to go there and be treated like a prisoner? How fun is that? I know it wouldn't be popular here as it seems everyone besides me has been in prison. And I'm not going.


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    We had two news crews go through. One put only the cute objects in some of the halls on camera and it attracted lots of parents with 2 year old kids. Not what the other 17 rooms were about. The other camera crew went all the way through while it was in action and no report was made from it.

    So, the following year neither crew came out. The fire cheif of the haunted event fame, was pissed. He is expected to get in front of the camera at every fire and accident and explain what happened and that relationship was now over since they wouldn't cover his haunted house fund raiser.

    Even if you had paid for their involvement it would not have worked.

    No matter what, this limited time frame made it not work properly. Even these travel channel shows about haunted houses take the same 5 clips and run the same ones over and over in between supposed know it alls. It's like sesame street. Can you name the 5 clips?

    I'm afraid the only one's that felt good about it would be those getting a paycheck for their effort. Maybe those feeding an ego to be considered an authority. Look I'm somebody. It says so on my resume. I'm in the phone book!

    The overwhelming part is, you know how many tours I saw at the Raven's Grin Inn and still left overwhelmed with being able to make sense of what I had witnessed. All the varied ways people interact is not cut and dried like having 30 drop panels. One can't take one specific fomula away and those that think they have figured it all out are idiots. So, you end up with an idiotic view out there in the world.

    Like the guy who told me he could do a Raven's Grin Inn and all the while be running his other businesses and be paying off a $650,000 mortgage just because of a good location. So I spent an hour explaining how it must be your 100% devotion hundreds of hours a week to succeed.

    So over the past few years even you have made more than 8700 posts and haven't even scratched the surface of what it is you do. Can you put it all into one meaningful paragraph? In a lot of ways those "spy videos" I found on Utube are better than any scripted, thought out production.


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    First, just to be clear, Action, I don't think that everyone with a camera is out to get you, and Greg, you are correct that the Japanese prison restaurant video definitely did not make me want to go there and be treated like a prisoner. However, it did remind me of a couple of things that I did as a kid when visiting relatives in Texas, and I'm wondering if these are still around and if they would work today.

    First, I remember going to a rustic country restaurant where they would have shootouts acted out during the course of the meal. It traumatized me so much as a kid, I really think my parents had to at least take me outside until all of the shooting stopped.

    Second, I remember going through something similar on a train ride that was overtaken by bandits wearing masks (I think bandanas) and cowboy hats. Again, the gunfire was traumatizing, and they had people chasing them up and down the train aisles and they were all shooting at each other. Surely they were shooting blanks. It was like in both cases, they were reenacting the Old West.

    I'm just wondering if something like this could be recreated into a haunt today and whether it would work. Let's bring back the Old West and traumatize all of the kids who visit. Maybe that's why I'm so screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Chrise View Post
    I fear the Raven's Grin Inn is so complex that an editor wouldn't know where to start or what the over all statement should be.
    See, in my world, Jim would be the editor. I'm having trouble with this... Have any of you actually paid someone or allowed someone to represent your business in some form of mass communication without making sure that you had the final say? That would seem like a huge risk to me. It's usually one of the first things my new clients ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Chrise View Post
    Somehow the entire jist these days must match the attention span of about 2 minutes and written word no longer than 2 paragraphs or unfrotunately it ends up in someone's private collection or the cutting room floor.
    That seems to be the case, but it's not destructive. Many businesses have responded by simply making more articles and videos or splitting them into shorter attention grabbing sections ("True Netherworld Story - Harvestman" for example). I think it's easier to highlight EVERY aspect of the subject matter that way. Sure you can't describe the ENTIRE haunt in two minutes, but you can describe one scene, or one snippet of it's history. It's easier to keep people's attention that way too. Take advantage of involuntary impulses and make them WANT to see more. It's the same concept TV has been using for years just to keep people in their seats between commercials.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Chrise View Post
    The only thing missing in the deal is perhaps a copy of raw footage must be provided before they leave! If nothing comes of it you can use it. If they are making money from it, you have an origional copy of the content and you are the guy in the video and that kind of implies it is your content and your copywrite, so where is your money? Where is your $100 per hour for 15 hours work? No deposit and a percentage of production gains, no deal.
    Exactly! No shooting can occur without your say so. Therefore, you have TOTAL control. A production company on site should never hinder operation or cost you customers. I'm like a fly on the wall at every event that I do. This should be discussed along with all intentions for the footage during the initial proposal. If all they want is stock footage for future use, they should pay you in some form or another, but amount and frequency should be set fourth and maybe even written out and signed before any shooting takes place. If they are producing a promo featuring you and your actors and that promo says "my haunted house is like this" and "you should come here" then you should at least appreciate it, if not give them a little something for it. Even if they are just kids. If they were simply given permission to shoot there and that's all that was discussed, that's dangerous ground to walk on. Your control slips out the window. The first meeting should make it or break it.

    I'm speaking strictly about aspiring film-makers and practical production folks here... If we are talking about the media or, not to pick on the handicapped, but... *gulp* haunt reviewers, you're on your own. With them, it's ALL risk. It could be really good, it could be really bad. You just have to realize that and make that call before you ever let them in.
    To look meant danger, to smile meant death!
     

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